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g’morning everyone --- just keeping the seat warm today. a few items from here and there:

  • in september, a commenter suggested (and forgive me, i can’t find the post) that the cards’ fall from contention might aid pujols’ mvp chances --- because he might see more pitches to hit. that appears actually to have happened: as i noted last week at the Daily Fix, el hombre only drew 2 intentional walks in september --- after having been ibb’d 32 times in the first five months of the year. for whatever reason, teams were a lot more willing to challenge albert in september, and he took advantage of the opportunity to pad his counting stats: his 27 rbi in 24 september starts were nearly a quarter of his season total. that finishing kick propelled him to 4th in the nl leaderboard in rbi, and he wound up tied for 4th in the league in homers --- in other words, top 5 in all of the triple crown categories, which still carry a lot of sway among many bbwaa voters. those figures, combined w/ his superior rate stats and the lack of a suitable rival, might garner albert his 2nd mvp award.
  • you can vote for albert, by the way, in the Internet Baseball Awards over at Baseball Prospectus. pujols won the IBA MVP in both 2005 and 2006; he lost out last year to matt holliday.
  • one more albert item: Lookout Landing calls him the most underappreciated player in baseball.
  • as long as we’re talking awards, am i the only one who thinks sabathia deserves the national league cy young? granted he only pitched in our league for half a season --- he came over in time to make 17 starts, or 3 fewer than wainwright made this year (and 1 fewer than cc made in the american league). but nearly half his nl starts (7) were complete games, and he led the league in that category despite his limited playing time. he also tied for the league lead in shutouts --- not only in the nl (where he tossed 3) but also in the al (2 sho). that feat in and of itself ought to be good for some kind of award. another point in cc’s favor: from july 8 (when he joined the nl) forward he led the league in every pitching category except strikeouts, where he finished second. his 1.65 era was nearly half a run better than his next closest competitor during that span (santana, at 2.09), and he threw 18 more innings than the next hardest-working guy. his average start for milwaukee lasted 7 2/3 innings. to cap it off, he threw a complete-game 4-hitter on the last day of the season to put his team into the playoffs. he never yielded more than 4 runs in a game for milwaukee; he yielded 2 or fewer 10 times. i’d place sabathia among the top 3 in nl mvp this year.
  • as good as cc was, the brewers paid a pretty penny. they completed their trade for sabathia the other day by sending an outfielder named michael brantley over as the player to be named later. opinion’s divided on this guy --- he has exceptional on-base ability (career minor-league obp of .399) and good speed, and has handled high levels well at a young age --- reached double A at age 20 last year, spent all of 2008 there and posted a .319 / .395 / .398 line. the last figure in the slash lines is the knock on brantley --- no power. BA had him ranked as the 18th-best prospect in the southern league; john sickels rates him a B, and kevin goldstein likes him. he’s roughly comparable to john jay. so add that to the already high bounty milwaukee gave up for their 3 months of sabathia. (and, alas, cc wasn’t very good is his playoff game, was he. . . . .)
  • espn released their park factor calculations for 2008, and st louis rated as the 4th-toughest national league park to score in, trailing only petco (by far the most inhospitable hitting environment in baseball), dodger stadium, and pnc park in pittsburgh. overall it ranked 23d among the 30 nl teams. last year it ranked 22nd; in 2006 it ranked 20th; and in all three years, the runs scored there have fallen between 93 and 95 percent of average --- it, the park suppresses scoring by 5 to 7 percent. those are some pretty consistent scores, and they were achieved despite some pretty drastic personnel churn --- the only players who have held starting jobs all 3 years of the ballpark’s existence are pujols and molina (a fact that, in and of itself, is fairly shocking . . . . ). the cards’ home/road pitching split was narrower than usual in 2008, a mere 13 runs (vs 59 runs last year and 66 runs in 2006); their home era of 4.06 was right in line with previous figures (3.93 in 2006, 4.17 in 2007), but the card hurlers improved dramatically on the road in 2008.

no ballgames today; the final four is set, and VEB's adopted team is still alive. red sox appear to be the best team left, but that's just on paper --- which ain't worth nothing this time of year.

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Bench-, er, seat warmer

I hope that we can get a seat warmer post out of you about once a month, LB.

I was rooting for the Brewers to make the playoffs since the trade, if I remember correctly, allowed the Indians to name the Crash Davis of the deal. Michael Brantley is an intriguing player. Thank goodness he won’t be batting in front Braun and Fielder (assuming they re-sign Prince) in the future, getting on-base at such a high rate.

Doesn’t the Busch Stadium park factor make Pujols’s MVP argument all the stronger? Not that seasoned baseball scribes pay attention to such nerdy stats…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 7, 2008 8:35 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not just Pujols

The Cards had one of the best offenses in the NL. Just goes to show you how effective our lineup was this year, LaRussa’s tinkering and all.

by mojowo11 on Oct 7, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4th in R/G

The Cards ended up 4th in the NL in runs per game at 4.81 behind the Cubs, Mets and Phills

by StLHugo on Oct 7, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd like to once again express my love for Pujols

From the Lookout Landing link….

“But that’s not all. You see, it wouldn’t be enough if Pujols were simply the best hitter on the planet. He’s also the best defensive first baseman in baseball. By one reputable metric, between 2005-2007 he made 41 more plays than the next best defensive 1B. He’s led first basemen in RZR two years in a row and three of the last five.”

by sdrone on Oct 7, 2008 9:12 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Love for Albert is always appropriate.

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 7, 2008 9:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lidge for Cy Young

without him the Phillies are not in the playoffs, let alone the NLCS. 40 for 40 is an outstanding stat, and it reflects the entire NL season, not just part.
     Imagine what would have happened if the Astros would have accepted Schumaker for Lidge instead of Bourne. They would have gotten a better deal and the Cards would have been in the playoffs.

by vinniefromjersey on Oct 7, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

while i would love for the Cards to have a guy

that converts 40 saves perfectly, i have a hard time justifying Lidge being the best pitcher in the NL. he did have 40 saves but saves are next to worthless when judging a pitcher and he NEVER pitched more than 3 outs per outing and only threw 69 innings this year which is roughly 1/4 as many as Santana and Sabathia…that would be like giving the MVP to someone who had 125 AB’s…he wasnt even the best closer in the game this year as Nathan, Rivera, and Soria were all better, granted in the AL…Lidge was very good this year and the Phillies may not have made the playoffs with out him but he was not the best pitcher in the league and probably just barely in the top 5, if that. IMO, of course.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Oct 7, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

albert's army

the lohse signing makes the pitching staff better and cuts down the need to sign a dempster or equivalent. i am hoping more than anything that mo puts most of his eggs in the furcal basket, especially since he shouldn’t be a type a free agent.

I am so smart - S...M...R...T!

by gforce on Oct 7, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh...Lincecum...

Off the top of my head: led the league in Ks, 2nd in ERA and 18 wins for a horrible Giants team.
With a little help: 8th in WHIP, led league in H/9, K/9, and ERA+, third in IP.

I’ve just got to give it to him. Nothing against Sabathia…well alright something against Sabathia. He didn’t pitch the whole year in one league, so in my mind, he’s just out of the running for NL Cy Young. If there were only 1 Cy Young for the whole MLB he’d sure deserve it, but his NL stats alone just don’t get there for me. SO and CG are crazy impressive, but not impressive enough. And they (hopefully) don’t give out the award based on stats accumulated over half a season.

Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together...it's Arrested Development.

by Bowen on Oct 7, 2008 11:22 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are the Red Sox the best team on paper?

They scored, what, 5 of their 7 runs over these past two games on ‘unearned’ opportunities. Mike Lowell is done for the series, JD Drew’s back is still barking and Josh Beckett appears to not be very sharp.

I’d say the Phillies are the best team left on paper

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 7, 2008 11:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Red Sox are the new Evil Empire

Go Rays.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Oct 7, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the rays

had the best record and won the AL East. In my book that puts them as the best team (on paper or plastic)

by eglasier on Oct 7, 2008 11:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Red Sox had a much, much better run differential

They played without Papi for a big long while, Jason Bay is an upgrade over what they had with Manny and they heavily outscored the Rays in head to head meetings. B-Ref has the Rays struggling against “power pitching”…ya know, Lester/Matszaka/Beckett types. They’re the best team on paper.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 12:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

High K, high bb rate

“Power” in b-ref terms is merely semantic.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 12:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an upgrade over Manny

you got something to show for that. Cause I see Bay’s numbers with the Red Sox of an OPS+ of 130 and even a down first half for Manny, he had an OPS+ of 138. Bay might not be that worse than Manny this year, but he certainly hasn’t been any better.

by eglasier on Oct 7, 2008 1:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Massive improvement on defense

Massive.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was terrible in '07 with a hurting knee

Not so much every other year. They went from one of the worst in the game to below average. Bay is a much better baserunner and taking into account the IBBs Manny got they’ve been basically the same hitter when they were in Boston.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope you mean just this year

cause Manny has a career OPS+ of 155, Bay’s is 130. BIG difference. And Manny has 8 IBB’s with the Sox. Bay has had 2 in half the time. I don’t really think that is a factor. You could make a counterargument that it goes in Manny’s favor as other players get better pitches to hit as well.

I can’t find any fielding stats but what numbers to you have to back this up?

You’ve made a lot of statements with no support here…

by eglasier on Oct 7, 2008 2:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of freakin course I mean this year

I don’t think Manny hitting .351 .457 .697 eight years ago has much bearing on what’s going on now.

The offensive production the Red Sox have gotten has been very similar from Bay/Ramirez in their time with the Red Sox.

Manny Ramirez at -109 was the worst defender in all of baseball from 05-07 according to the Fielding Bible and 46 plays worse than the 2nd worst LFer. He’s an unbelievable butcher.

Assuming Jason Bay is 6th on that list at -18 plays against average over the same time. Even if we regress that difference by 40 plays, a totally unreasonable number, we’re still talking Bay as being ~13 plays better than Manny over the course of the year. So not discounting for Jason Bay’s injury, assuming that the Fielding Bible is off by 40% AND assuming Jason Bay is #6 on the list, it’s generously a break even offense/defense.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW +/- is broken when it comes to fenway

the ballpark makes manny look a lot worse than he is, because a lot of balls hit the wall at distances that should be playable.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 7, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why I overestimated to a ridiculous degree

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...with the 40 play thing

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you said,

“Jason Bay is an upgrade over what they had with Manny”. But now you agree that it’s generously a break even offense/defense. While you may discount Bay’s injury for his numbers surely Manny having one of the worst half-seasons of his career skews his numbers as well. Of freakin course righ?,….Tina, eat your food!

by eglasier on Oct 7, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you not see the assumptions it took to get there?

If someone who has the Fielding Bible would like to point me to just where Jason Bay is, that’d rule out an assumption, but do you really believe all three of those are accurate?

I made absolutely outrageous assumptions to get that they were even. Oh and that was generously for Manny even still. Oh and that’s even ignoring the baserunning aspect. If you’d actually read this in context, the fact that it was the worst half-seasons Manny has had (which isn’t even true) is irrelevant. The Red Sox have gotten better production out of Jason Bay than they have from Manny Ramirez in 2008 in Boston.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For reference, UZR had Bay from 2003-2007 at +14 runs

He’s not a butcher. Manny is. Jason Bay has been better for the Red Sox in 2008.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really like the Dodgers and Rays.....

Think both are playing really good baseball, and it wouldn’t surprise me if that were our WS matchup.

by SoonerfanTU on Oct 7, 2008 12:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dodgers starters get abused by lefties....something the Cubs didn't have at all

Phils have that covered in spades. Just sayin.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 12:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

But I have to admit that the Dodgers have been very good this season at supressing the gopher ball, something that the Phillies count on to score runs. That Philly team isn’t very good at stringing together multiple walks and hits in a row. They get a walk or a hit and then a two or three run bomb. I think it will be a good series with the way the Dodgers have been playing offensively.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 7, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

the Phillies seem to live on the homerun. With the Dodgers’ pitching, and that stadium, I think they have a very good chance to win this series. Of course that might just be wishful thinking.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 7, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I’m thinking a Rays/Dodgers World Series looks good.

by stlfan on Oct 7, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs had Ted Lilly

But Lou decided not to start him until Game 4. Oops.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Oct 7, 2008 1:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

other way around

Batting lefties e.g. Howard, Utley, Rollins…

by StLHugo on Oct 7, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert Pujols

 Albert Pujols underappreciated? Not by us by God. But thanks for the article. I’ve read reams of stuff over the years about Albert, mostly admiring. But it doesn’t take a bushel of words to define his position in the game. How ‘bout this: Of all the players in the history of Major League baseball, only one has a higher career (.690 to .671) slugging percentage. His name is Babe Ruth. Of all the players in the history of Major League baseball, only two, the Babe and Barry Bonds, have a higher (1.164, 1.051, 1.049) OPS. Albert Pujols a great player? When he’s done, he may be the greatest player.

by deweydell on Oct 7, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His batting average.

He hits for WAY too high an avearage, and does not have enough “Statistically Outstandings”

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 7, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Philly vs Rays

would just kill the WS ratings. Red Sox vs Dodgers would be the best (duh!)…. Hoping for a Rays vs Dodgers series with the Rays taking it all. Would the Rays have a “fire sale” if they won it all?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Oct 7, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn this browser!

Anyways, the Rays have

Pena (2010)
Crawford (2010)
Kazmir (2012)
Iwamura (2010)
Price (2012)
Longoria (eternity)
Upton (no where near arbitration)
Aybar (same as Upton)
Garze (same as Aybar)

You get the idea.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 7, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep...

Thanks HL.

Marlins they ain’t.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Oct 7, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

However, in 2010

payroll will have to go up:

Pena: $10 M
Crawford: $10 M
Kazmir: $8 M
Wheeler: $3.5 M
Iwamura: $4.25 M
Shields: $2.5 M
Price: $1 M
Longoria: $1 M
$40.25 M before taking into account arbitration escalators for Upton, Aybar, etc.

They are in decent shape. They can still operate at a $60 M budget and keep this great young team together.

However, Carl Crawford might be a trade target. He’s owed $20 M over the next two years and the Rays may be interested in moving him while they can get great value for him.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 7, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if the Rays win the world series

the revenues they would generate just might be enough to cover all of next year’s payroll?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 7, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why baseball is still the best sport in the land

Percentage of teams that make the postseason:

MLB: 27%
NFL: 38%
NHL: 53%
NBA: 53%

If you make the playoffs in baseball…it’s kind of a big deal.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 7, 2008 12:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

and baseball has made more money than those other sports the last couple of years, even football.

So more playoff teams does not necessarily equal more revenue.

Caveat – in considering the NHL, it must be noted that their reliance on the gate is much, much larger than the other three sports, who get tons more revenue from TV, radio, and the like. A lot of NHL teams just flat out don’t make money unless their team gets in the playoffs and gets them some extra home games, which are more likely to be sellouts than reg season games.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 7, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

There’s statistical reasons behind it in that the better team in the NBA typically wins so the champion isn’t as diluted necessarily as 53% suggests. Not necessarily the case by any stretch in baseball.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I’d like to see the NBA go to an 8 team playoff format, 4 teams from each conference instead of 8 teams from each conference. What the current format allows is for teams like the 2001 and 2002 Lakers and the 1995 Rockets to coast through the regular season, capture the 5 seed, and then barnstorm through the playoffs because they should have won 70 some games in the regular season. The format allows teams to coast into the playoffs, and inevitably one or two teams with sub-.500 records make the playoffs in one conference or another.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 7, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ideally yes

I was merely pointing out that the theoretical point of playoffs is to crown the best team (but really for the owners to make the most money). The NBA by having so many teams isn’t breaking the crown the best team thing by allowing so many teams.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 1:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The NBA playoffs is a joke

It’s like the regular season really doesn’t matter. All you have to do is not completely suck to make the playoffs. With the NBA…their post season just doesn’t seem like anything special. Yeah the media will get excited if the Lakers get involed but other than that I don’t see how a non die hard fan of the league can get wrapped up into NBA post season play. And really I feel the same way about the NHL as well. Both of those leagues can’t hold a candle to MLB & NFL when it comes to the post season and they never will until they make it where half of the teams don’t get to post season when the season ends and just have the division winners with a wild card or two battle for the big prize..

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Oct 7, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rico Washington is a FA!

No more Rico the clubbed allowed him to go to the FA market early

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 7, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kissler

Not sure how many have seen this article yet but George Kissler was injured in a car accident.

Kissler was a long time Cardinals coach and a “professor” in the College of Cardinals during the 80s.

by StLHugo on Oct 7, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um

Normally spelling police are just people trying to be a-holes, but since we’re talking about a very serious situaion for an absolute Cardinal icon…

It’s George Kissell, not Kissler

no offense intended, just trying to show respect for George

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 7, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird

I was just reading the SI article about Kissell and Sisler and somehow combined the names in my head.

by StLHugo on Oct 7, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Listening to Steve Stone

and he speculates that the Cubs will be shopping Derrek Lee this offseason.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sure would

plus they can certainly afford to sign, say, Texiera.

by sdrone on Oct 7, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It has to

Btw, it’s Kenney.

But, even it they just stand pat and don’t sign one single player (even one for league minimum), their payroll will go up by like 15 million simply due to backloaded contracts and other salary increases. And that doesn’t include re-signing guys like Dempster and Wood.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks for the spelling, what an odd name. I spelled it like Kenny Williams.

True, payroll will automatically go up…..

It will be interesting to see what the Cubbies do. They have some issues, and I guess we shall see how much extra $$ they will spend.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 7, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder what they can do with a new ownership coming in.

But I fully expect the Cubs to spend like the Yankees of the NL over the next 2-3 years. They are really desperate to get to the World Series that they are going to spend what it takes to make sure they are a playoff team for several more years.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Oct 7, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But there is no new ownership coming in

Granted, it’s gonna eventually happen (maybe that’s what all those signs meant?), but a new ownership group will NOT be in place this offseason.

And I’ve said this for quite some time, to all the cubs fans out there….be careful what you wish for. A new ownership group (or owner) is going to be hard pressed to raise payroll all that much. They’re already one of the highest payrolls in the league and it’s gotten them zero postseason wins. The Tribune Company (despite what a lot of people said) spent a lot of money in the last few years and has spent a crap load of money the past two years and they haven’t even paid most of it out yet. Like a new ownership group is going to just keep adding payroll?

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly, their hands are tied a bit

they have so many big contracts with no-trade clauses it really limits the moves they can make. Btw, I think dumping Lee is focusing on the wrong guy, although like Stone said, he’s a guy with diminishing power and his defense has gotten worse.

So, I guess you try to dump him before it gets any worse. But this is just the tip of the iceberg with those contracts. And it’s gonna take some creative deal making because Lee does have one of those no-trade contracts.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is the "right guy?"

There probably isn’t one. Maybe Soriano. But you’ll never get rid of him.

But the club needs a shake-up, since you can’t let Lou go into the clubhouse and slap people around.

Not my problem. But it will be interesting to watch in the offseason. I knew Ramirez was bad last postseason, but it was interesting to watch Soriano go bad as well this offseason.

by sdrone on Oct 7, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of Soriano

I don’t know how this got past me.

2008:

vs. LHP – 146 PA, .351 BA, .404 OBP, .710 SLG
vs. RHP – 322 PA, .252 BA, .319 OBP, .460 SLG

Also, on another front (just because I heard them talking about it on the radio and it ties in to the increasing payroll), how much is Reed Johnson worth? They’re talking about dumping Edmonds and moving Fukudome to center in a platoon with Johnson. Johnson made 1.3 last year, how much is he worth next year? I believe he’s arb eligible.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude can't hit a righty-righty slider

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I definitely knew that

I just didn’t realize the overall splits were so lopsided.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True statement, I just wasn't surprised either

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 7, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey great signature

loved that movie, and may he rest in peace

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 8, 2008 12:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is going to want him?

He hasn’t been the same hitter since breaking his wrist. Sure, he’s a very good defensive 1B (relatively speaking) but he is also owed $26 M over the next 2 years.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 8, 2008 2:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

was it the wrist

or the fluke 2005 season? a guy with a career 115 OPS+ going into 2005 has an anomalous 174 OPS+ season in his age 29 year, so you sign him to a long-term contract, and he puts up a 112/131/111 OPS+ next 3 years?

Gasp.

DLee OPS+
yr    OPS+
1997	100
1998	96
1999	53
2000	124
2001	112
2002	131
2003	131
2004	117
2005	174
2006	112
2007	131
2008	111

Maybe he just isn’t that good?

(and yay, the cubs gave soriano 8/136 after 06, which was 1Y/$40M more than I considered worth joking about in ’06…)

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 3:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mlbtraderumors.com

had a chat today. I posted a question about 10 times and Tim would never answer it. He sure did answer a ton of questions on eateries in Chicago though. Must be a bitter Cubs fan

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 7, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, what was the question?

maybe if we see the question, might answer why he didn’t respond to it?

just kidding. I have no idea what the protocol is on something like that, but I am curious what the question was.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

question about jonathan sanchez

asked him what he thought it would take to get him….i guess he didn’t have time answer it due to all the questions about what the mets were gonna do this offseason….must have seen 5 k-rod to the mets questions

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 7, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a lot of fluff on those "chats" with no real "insider" information.

It amazes me how Tim makes a living on a site where he just gathers information on the web and puts it all in one place. More power to him I guess.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Oct 7, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I, for one, appreciate the work

makes looking up rumors quick and painless.

Love that site.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh don't get me wrong I visit it too

But putting together a site like that something anybody can do that want to put the time in doing it. Tim was smart enough to actually do it and he quit his job and does this for a living. It just amazes me that he can make a living on that site. And as I said more power to him. But he is still no “insider” into what trades are going to happen and such. He just gathers info. The site is good no doubt. The chat thing he does is a lot of fluff though but it’s fun for his regulars I guess to meet up and wish for trades and such….much like what we do here.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Oct 7, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, i think you summed things up perfectly
“But putting together a site like that something anybody can do that want to put the time in doing it. Tim was smart enough to actually do it and he quit his job and does this for a living.”

Don’t we all wish we could have moved on some silly idea we’ve had that seems like such a no-brainer? Absolutely, more power to him.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's certainly not an insider...

but I bet he’s on the shortlist for a lot of “insiders” as to who they pass info to. He’s really good to credit and link to his sources…probably adds a lot of hits to some sights out there. I for one check his sight everytime I get on line…usually right after VEB.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 7, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess its site...

not sight. I’ve seen the spelling police are out today.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 7, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont think ive seen us discuss it here

but they guy who tried to crack the elias rankings is stating that Izzy might be a type A

does this change anything regarding to our plans for him? i’m guessing no since his arb #‘s would have to be higher than I would want to pay him. It’d be nice if somone would offer multiple years and give us a draft pick or 2 for him tho that wont happen.

by FunkeeC on Oct 7, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would make things VERY complicated.

Unless he’d just accept the incentive based offer right off the bat.

by SoonerfanTU on Oct 7, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really

If you offer arbitration, you get stuck with that ruling. Plus, there’s no way in hell a team is giving up a 1st round pick (or a 2nd rounder) to sign him. Granted, if you don’t offer arb and he opts to test the waters, then you run the risk of losing him (is that really a bad thing?).

Besides, I don’t think he has a whole lot of interest in other teams, so I’m not really sure what it matters. Izzy and Springer are sort of the same situation although I think we all know Springer could be effective next year while Izzy is, well……less than a sure thing.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 5:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Izzy and Springer are completely different situations...

Springer should be effective (as you said) even more importantly Izzy made $8 mil this year while Springer made $3.5 (something like that)…an arbitrator can give Izzy no less than $6.4 mil (80%) Springer probably won’t get more than $4 mil. I think we have to offer arbitration to Springer, and no way to Izzy.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 7, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I meant by same situtation

is that I don’t think offering arbitration effects whether or not either one of them goes to another team. IMO, they’re both Cardinals or retire. Although Izzy might sign with another team, but I’m not sure he really wants to.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 7, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah...

I see. Springer is definitely STL or retire (I think). I think Izzy will try to play next year whether it’s in St. Louis or not. I don’t think he’s ready to hang ‘em up…just one cardzfan’s opinion.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2008 12:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess my point was.....

Wouldn’t the arbitration offer likely be more significant, at least base salary wise, then any incentive deal he would sign?

by SoonerfanTU on Oct 8, 2008 12:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

izzy would be insane to decline an arbitration offer.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 1:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sad note!

I have not seen this here yet.

Prayers go out to Kissell and his family.

by stlfan on Oct 7, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I misspelled his name but

I did post it a bit ago, very sad and hopefully he is alright.

by StLHugo on Oct 7, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prayers for his daughter...

who will probably blame herself, and have a heavy burden the rest of her life – I can’t imagine!

by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2008 8:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly,

you are probably right about his daughter blaming herself. That would indeed be a heavy burden.

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 8, 2008 9:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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