Kenshin Kawakami, etc.
Were they really still playing baseball in the sixth inning last night? It might just be seeing it in HD for the first time playing tricks on my eyes, but it seemed like we hit rain-delay-intensity about an hour before they finally unrolled the tarp. Thank goodness for the late tie. (In other news, Bud Selig owes Bossman Jr. a fruit basket or a bouquet of flowers.)
The RBI story is just not coming together (if we want to continue on the movie analogy from last week it is not just on the shelf but on the shelf next to the lost Marx Brothers movie and rapidly degenerating due to its unstable nitrate-based film) so it's time for some regularly scheduled news and notes.
The Japanese pitcher of the hour, Kenshin Kawakami, has hired an American agent. The Red Sox are said to be the prime contenders for his services, but I have to imagine that any ready-for-action starting pitcher has at least had his tires kicked by Moz in the Hot Stove early going.
Kawakami, who will be 34 in 2009, is a tough guy to get a read on coming out of Japan. His stats are borderline spectacular; through 2007 he had a career K:BB ratio of 3.76, and he's walked fewer than two batters per nine innings for his last five seasons. More importantly, maybe, for a player moving to the majors he's able to strike batters out; in 2008 he struck out nearly a batter an inning, and his career K/9 is over seven.
That said, as with a player moving from AAA to the majors, or from the low minors to the high minors, it's difficult to figure exactly how much of his control is pitch command and how much is pitching to batters with less power and less plate control than big leaguers; according to East Windup Chronicle scouts have pegged him alternately in the middle and the back of a Major League rotation.
If you're attempting to extrapolate from individual cases and are also mildly optimistic, disposition-wise, the example you're looking for is Dodgers starter Hiroki Kuroda, who definitely impressed me in the playoffs. Kuroda, like Kawakami, is a control pitching veteran who arrived via free agency in his thirties. Like Kawakami, he eventually just stopped walking batters in Japan, culminating in an outstanding 21 walks in 190 innings in 2006.
Kawakami strikes out more batters, but Kuroda has a Duncan-approved groundball tendency in his favor, which manifest itself in a lower home run rate during his peak in Japan. The worst thing you can say for Kawakami is that this comparison is a wash, making Kuroda's above-average performance in 2008 seem within reach.
Players like Kei Igawa and Hideki Irabu are certainly proof that Japanese aces aren't always what their NPB numbers would seem to indicate, but unless the Cardinals have seen something I haven't I'd like to see them take a shot at Kawakami. With no posting fee he's just a regular free agent, albeit one whose numbers must be looked at even more sideways than a Coors Field refugee's.
The Hank Aaron Award is handed out each year to honor the best offensive performer in each league. It is now awarded by a fan vote. Presented without comment: the winners.
At MVN they're Being the GM, and a non-Cards blogger has detailed his ideas for the 2009 Cardinals. I think it's interesting to see an outside opinion that dovetails so neatly with the very school of thought we've come to fear in Cards fan circles: the veteran re-treading. Renteria I'm okay with; Brian Shouse would be an excellent fit; but I think the closer you get to St. Louis the more concerned you are with the idea that the Cardinals really would love to go with Brandon Lyon in the closer's role.
I don't mean to dismiss the idea entirely; the Cardinals bullpen could certainly use a veteran arm, even though I'd rather it not be that one. It's just that this is a plan that's been bandied about so long now that even though it works, to a point, I'm terrified of the prospect of the brass trying it again. Suggesting, to a Cardinals fan, that they might be well-served by signing some veteran role players and filling holes is like telling Sisyphus that he really ought to just roll the rock up the hill and be done with it.
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The best part
about Ramirez winning the Hank Aaron award was that even he was surprised.
by santiagofish on
Oct 28, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
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so that award is for the most mediocre hitter, right?
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 28, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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I don't understand
how you guys don’t see the logic in this, it’s so simple. The cubs were the highest scoring team in the NL this season, and A-Ram was their best offensive player…So it should be OBVIOUS that he deserves this award.
Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time
by RunninRedbird on
Oct 28, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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yeah
he would have done better if it weren’t for all the other good hitters on the team robbing him of rbi’s!
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 28, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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A couple of quick points...
Ramirez and Youkilis winning the Hank Aaron awards underlines and puts an exclamation point behind why online voting is a joke. These two players are two of my favorite non-Cardinals, and they both had good years, but I doubt either of them finish in the top five in MVP voting…ridiculous.
The guy at MVN has us signing nearly every middling veteran available. I like bringing in Grudzy for a year, Renteria I could live with, Shouse is probably a good idea…but Aurilla, Lyon, Farnsworth, Lieber AND Looper (not one or the other…both) – not even close I HOPE!!!
by cardzfanbub on
Oct 28, 2008 9:31 AM EDT
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he's right about
aurilia, and for the right price, i’m not against it at all.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
by Dave Barry on
Oct 28, 2008 9:35 AM EDT
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Even if we add both Grudzy and
Renteria AND keep Kennedy as he suggests? I like Aurilla well enough on a one year deal…but I don’t see room for that many declining veterans in our infield, and we don’t need help in the outfield.
by cardzfanbub on
Oct 28, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
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mvn thoughts
if the cards did half the things this guy says/thinks they do, i will be extremely not happy.
Can’t we just flat out say no to lieber, farnsworth. Shouse would be an easy up grade from the left side.
I think i’d be ok with renteria, but he would have to be extremely cheap, i rather have lopez than grudz at this point. I actually like aurilla idea the guy is a pro utility man hits lefty’s, although i still have emotional scars from him hitting 2 homers at busch in the nlcs. the only way to get aurilla is to send kennedy to anywhere just eat his salary and move on, aurilla>kennedy.
WTF is this guy:
Maybe if he is really cheap, i doubt it rather just go with perez, and i think i’d rather have izzy back on the really cheap part
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
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Oct 28, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
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Emotional scars
I attended that NLCS when I was only 13. It was possibly one of the worst experiences of my life.
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on
Oct 28, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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Aurilla in the '02 NLCS
Yikes, haven’t thought of that one in long time. Day of the game my friends wife can’t go so he gives me the ticket for free. Aurilla second home run everyone can blame on me. I was standing in line for a beer talking with the guy next to me. He said “well were holding Bonds off so far”. I responded jokingly “yeah, as long as we can keep Aurilla in the yard” CRACK….there it goes, barely got the words out of my mouth and it was gone. Talk about turning into the pariah of the beer line in a heart beat.
Thought we had a shot after Perez hit one out but it was not to be. My only playoff game at the old Bush and that would have been the storyline I would have taken away except when leaving, my friend and I stopped by the press box just to take a look when an older lady came up to us from inside and let us know Mr. Shannon will be out shortly, we didn’t even know he was still there. So that is now one of the greatest games of my life because I got to meet The Man in Black himself. Took my friends picture with him, he said that paid him back for the ticket but I don’t think I can ever pay him back for the experience.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on
Oct 28, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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Farnsworth
Cubs fans would be just thrilled if the Cardinals got Farnsworth, unaffectionately known as “Mr. Gas Can”.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Oct 28, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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let's see if I can comment with this...
Search for 川上憲伸 if you’re looking for video of Kenshin. here’s one
Kawamaki Kenshin, isn’t that like naming your kid ‘Colt McCoy’? Glancing at the kanji dict, it’s a different set than usual: law/constitution + increase. Consistency?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 9:39 AM EDT
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well hell, the Rays are on it
New plan! Snag Kawamaki, use him to raid the Rays’ tank.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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That video is funny...
Called strike three on a ball six inches below the knees and a foot inside! The second pitch, called a ball, was much closer than the last one. If he brings that umpire with him, I say sign him up.
by rthorat on
Oct 28, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
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Man
I would bet the Japanese umpires are super-precise, too.
by Red in Chicago on
Oct 28, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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That last pitch
may have been off the plate (a much worse pitch than pitch 2 which was called a ball), but it had some great running fastball movement on it.
by stlfan on
Oct 28, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
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142 Km=88 mph
Nein danke.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
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Oct 28, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
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88MPH + Flat
The angle isn’t the best, but his fastball looks really flat (e.g. minimal movement). However, he does seem to spot it well on the black.
He’s certainly no Matsuzaka. More Glavine than Maddux in terms of staying on the black with little movement.
His mechanics look clean.
Maybe a Suppan-esque number 3 or number 4 guy.
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Oct 28, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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Near impossible to make qualitative scouting judgements off of 4 pitches
But 86-88 (though a couple of those were cuts) du’unt cut it.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
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Oct 28, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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And that was his high.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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MLB handled the game last night disgracefully...
From the umpiring to late, late call on the delay. What a joke! I’m glad the Rays tied it, but it should have never got to the 5th.
mattnj
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Oct 28, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
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Koji Uehara
is worth noting maybe for the bullpen. I don’t know how he did in 2008 or if he’s trying to start again, but a 16.5 K/BB is hilarious.
by haltz on
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after watching some of those balls and strike calls
from yadi2second’s video, I am not putting ANY stock into Japanese K/BB ratios
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on
Oct 28, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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video!
kanji: 上原 浩治
highlight reel by year
WBC 07
(chatting with Daisuke. bgm: Queen
I can’t find much on his inconsistencies in 2008, but I’d look it over to see if the wheels are just going to drop off. And he’s a klepto.
Playing for the Giants… if So’s attendant press corps seems like a lot, this guy’s is gonna be huge. That’s like playing for the Yankees your whole career since 1999…
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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Oct 28, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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happy free taco day
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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thanks for the reminder!!
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on
Oct 28, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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no thanks
to sub-quality meat. I’ve read that they’re beef is of lower quality than pet food….
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 28, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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then give your dog a free taco!!
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on
Oct 28, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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ok
I’ll go get a dog first
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 28, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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i'm getting a dog tonight
trying to decide on a name.
its gonna be either Rufus or Yadi.
i know what the popular choice here would be…

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
by adiueordie on
Oct 28, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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I have to say
He doesn’t look like a Yadi.
Looks kind of gritty, though….
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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Oct 28, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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grit?
here, gritty, gritty… ah, there you are. Are you a good boy, grit? Can you sit? Sit! Now shake!
Good boy.
the enemy's gate is down.
by SleepyCA on
Oct 28, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
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careful, Aaron might show up off the bench
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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The hairdo
says TLR to me. Just put some shades on that bad boy!
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Oct 28, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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I had a dog named Rufus...
Named him after a dog in a commercial (for some toy in the 80s).
He was a 170lb Newfoundland. Sweet, but impossible to make him do anything he didn’t want to do (which was most things)
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro
by DiscoJer on
Oct 28, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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Wait! Taco Bell isn't healthy?
I feel deceived.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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Actually they have a new...
“fresco” menu that offers lower fat items. The $.99 Fresco taco is quite good.
by cardzfanbub on
Oct 28, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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what u doin for halloween?
my band Thunder Giant is playing
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
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AC/DC.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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I try..
to be as noncritical as can be when it comes to hotstove type of topics, seeing how they’re someone’s opinion.
But I couldn’t stand any of those suggestions that was on that MVN site. I like Grud as a player, but not to go and chase down. We should have kept him earlier. Now with the idea of eating some of Adam’s contract, or keeping Adam as an (expensive, compared to Ryan) defensive specialist the idea of adding Grud on his numbers over what Kennedy will bring seems silly. If Adam is traded away then of course it may seem a little more sane.
I don’t see what the love for Edgar really is all about. The whole idea of an aging player who (most think can’t field his position any longer anyways) is going to have a bang job year because he’s in the NL vs the AL. On a Kennedy’less Cards team having Edgar as a second baseman makes more sense, but grabbing him for a SS role seems quite silly. Every run you gain with the bat is lost in speed, range and fielding. It doesn’t make sense.
Loop is going to want too many years (3) I’m assuming and he won’t be all that cheap either. After the bigger names disappear off the availability charts someone will pay for his durability. His length of contract is what bothers me as it forces us into a role of really having opportunity costs.
Pretty uninspired by the rest of the names he’s mentioned. I for sure don’t see it as gaining a couple of wins
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Oct 28, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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+100
Those were some pretty poor pick-ups for the Cards, although a year of Grudzy would not be a bad thing. Point is, filling the club with cheap retreads is not going to do the job for the club. We need to be aggressive and smart in settling an udderwise fairly solid team. it would seem that the Marlins are looking to get rid of a variety of players, including a few guys who cud help us, those being Dan Uggla, Kevin Gregg, and Scott Olsen. Uggla would, of course, be plugged into 2nd – even though his glove is nothing to cheer about, he does provide significant power, and I’m sure we cud use him at third every now and then. Gregg would be very useful in our pen, provided that we trade away some of the right handed help we already have. Olsen might be a decent project for Duncan – he cud be the lefty starter we haven’t had since John Tudor, especially since we don’t know what will happen with Garcia. he cud be the 5th guy in our rotation if we can get him to cut down his dingers and get him into the Duncan philosophy. Now, what cud we trade to the Marlins for these guys? Well, I’m sure the usual suspects would be involved (Anderson, Thompson, Motte, and maybe Freese), but I don’t see us needing to give up anyone like Rasmus or Jones or Perez. I’d love to dump AK on them as well, but that won’t happen: Florida wants young, cheap players they can rent for 2-3 years before spinning them off on new trades. An-udder guy I’d like to see us go after is Jeremy Affeldt.
Anycow, that is the sort of thing we should cowcentrate on, not signing the likes of Lieber, Farnsworth, or Renteria.
:=8)
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Oct 28, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
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Uggla isn't that bad with the glove
Middle-of-the-pack, IIRC. I would forget about the rest of those guys and just focus on getting him. Add an-all glove guy at short if you want, and re-sign your choice of Miles or Lopez. You’re done with the MI.
I have a hard time understanding trading for any starting pitchers right now, as we (a) don’t know if Carpenter can/will pitch; and (b) we have limited flexibility in payroll to take on another substantial contract. Maybe there’s a veteran in his walk year that could be a transition piece for the rotation. It’s either that or go the other way and empty the farm for a young, cost-controlled guy (Cain?). But trading for mid-level veteran who’s expensive or relatively expensive is a waste of resources.
by Red in Chicago on
Oct 28, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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Agreed on both counts
Uggla gets a bad rap thanks to his disastrous showing the ASG. He’s okay out there, if not spectacular.
As for the rotation, I agree. Taking on a substantial contract in the rotation could be quite difficult for our team. Already in 2011 we’re on the hook for:
Carp – $15 million
Lohse – $12 million
Waino – $6.5 million
A mid-level guy is going to want at least three years and probably around $10 million per year. Signing one of those guys means being on the hook for around $53.5 million for just four starting pitchers in 2011 — and another $16 million for Pujols. Yikes. I think finding a 1-2 year veteran fill-in or a young, cost-controlled arm are definitely better options.
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Olsen..
…is up for arbitration, but aside from that he’s pretty cheap ($405,000.00 last year, under half a mil, hardly a substantial contract), and I was proceeding on the assumption that we don’t get Carp back for most of the season, which is entirely possible. Bill James only has him making 8 starts. Moz has said that the starting pitching he would make a moove for now was a 5th starter, a role which Olsen fits – who is that 1-2 year veteran/cost-controlled arm that’s been mentioned. And the rotation becomes too crowded, we cud use him as a lefty reliever, which we all agree we need on this team. Just trying to be practical.
:=8)
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Olsen's skills have been inconsistent to bad for a while now.
If he were cheap, i’d take him betting that Dunc could cut that walk rate down, but he definitely could turn into Dontrelle part II.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
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Uggla oddities
Don’t want to make too much of any of this, but I was perusing his b-r splits and several things jumped out at me. This is for 2008 only:
vs. LHP: .191/.310/.331/630
vs. RHP: .283/..377/.578/.955
Home: .223/.333/.455/.788
Road: .296/.387/.573/.960
Men on: .299/.425/.564/.989
None on: .235/.315/.483/.798
Sacks jammed: .524/.522/.952/1.474
Less than 2 strikes: .395/.659/.873/1.532
2 Strikes: .164/.273/.341/.614
According to B-R, Uggla has never played in Busch III, but since he has only been in the league since ’06 I am going to assume the ABs reported for Busch II were actually for Busch III. His line in all of 13 ABs was .364/462/.727/.1.189
So what does it all mean? Probably not much of anything. The reverse split was not apparent prior to this season and neither was the drastic home/road split. One thing you can likely count on is that when he gets that second strike on him it is probably a good time to go get another beer.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
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The other thing that remains...
consistent in all situations is a good batters eye (OBP-AVG). Except for in the sacks-jammed scenario this number falls between .80 and .264. Averaged for all situations .110.
His actual slash line from 2008 was .260/.360/.514 = .100 (OBP-AVG).
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Imagine a lineup with Uggla in there
1. Schumaker/Rasmus (L)
2. Ludwick®
3. Pujols®
4. Ankiel (L)
5. Glaus®
6. Uggla®
7. Yadi®
8. Pitcher
9. New SS (?)
We could use a high average guy at short. But that’s a very powerful lineup, even if some of the sluggers are a bit streaky.
by Red in Chicago on
Oct 28, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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so ( R ) becomes®?
the cardinals are going corporate, man. they’re selling out!
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Oct 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Cardinals (R)
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
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Oct 28, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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What in the world were you doing wrong...
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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Registered copyright!
Apparently the blog interpreter converts open parentheses/R/closed parentheses into the ASCII code for copyright.
by Red in Chicago on
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Isn't that exactly what I did?
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
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Try doing it in the comment box as opposed to the subject line.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
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Young Pitcher®
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
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There ya go.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
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I needed some Fraknlins™ to get through that
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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The way I see it, you got one more to go.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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Someone
said on Cards Talk yesterday that if he were Hank Aaron, he would ask MLB to take his name off of the award after this year’s winners. I completely agree with that poster. MLB should make on-line fan voting count for only a portion of the total. Someone else should have a say in picking the winner – the players, a committee, Hank Aaron (or his representatives). Even the BBWAA could have done a better job of picking this year’s winners that some ballot box stuffing Sox and Cub fans.
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 28, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
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i dunno about the BBWAA
i can totally see the following argument: the hank aaron award goes to the player with the best offensive performance in each league. ryan howard led the league in HR and RBI, two out of three of the offensive stats! (there are of course only three, the other being BA) therefore, he’s a shoe-in!
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Oct 28, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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Yes, in this case,
I think even the BBWAA could have picked a more legit winner. They probably would have picked Ryan Howard for the NL, like you said. Or maybe another Ryan (like Braun). But you can make a much better case for either one of those guys than you can for A-Ram!
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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aw, come on
A-ram was easily the third best hitting ramirez in the league this year! that’s gotta count for something, right?
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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caveat; i don't even know if that's true...
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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Aram, Hanley and Manny
.289 .380 .518
.301 .400 .540
.396 .489 .743
I would say you are right
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Oct 28, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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awesome! nice to know i am occasionally right, even if it's sort of a cherry pick.
now i just need to work on the rationale for the following equation:
third best hitting NL Ramirez = Deserving of the Hank Aaron award.
i’ll let you guys know when i figure it out…
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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Manny and Hanley should both combine names and go by Manley
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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Hanley says MattyNoNo
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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Ooo damn didn't catch the "third"
I’d go Manny, Hanley, and Maximiliano. For the record Max plays for the Rangers but I included him in the NL based off of the unbelievably awesome name and technically he was drafted by the Braves anyway.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
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Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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i may have to name my first son maximiliano. that name is just too awesome.
it makes some sense because i’m a quarter mexican. so i can claim my latin heritage made me do it. as for any of my sons being drafted by anybody, that’s probably a no-go based on genetics. i’d be very lucky if any sons of mine became a david eckstein or aaron miles.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
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But you're only half the genes!
Just find that lucky lady who wants to be “that couple” where she’s 8 inches taller.
I’d like to scar my kid for life with a name that has nothing to do with my “heritage” like Wladimir, Kawakami or DeShean.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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there's a problem with that; i'm already married
though my wife is an inch or two taller than me, and her family are all big and tall. her uncle tony is probably close to 7 feet tall, somewhere around 300 lbs. flaming red hair too. he’s like some sort of mythological norse giant. his latest nickname is hagrid.
so maybe there’s a chance…
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
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Unless said uncle "Tony" is Bill Walton
Red hair means you’re screwed. That shit gets in the gene pool it’s all over for athletics.
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Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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C'mon
Besides the aforementioned Mr. Walton…
Daniel Alfredsson, Red Auerbach, Boris Becker, Shawn Bradley, Jim Courier, Gordie Dwyer, Lita, Red Grange, Brad Johnson, Mark McGwire, Daniel and Henrik Sedin, Rusty Staub, The Undertaker, Shaun White, Bert Blyleven, Eric Byrnes, and Jack Nicholas was a strawberry blond.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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Ha, my defense:
Alfredsson not red hair plus I hate the Senators, Auerbach was a coach, Lita is a fake “athlete”, Shawn Bradley proves the point, McGwire overcame his deficiency with juice (maybe we should give him a free pass on that as a result?), Brad Johnson not red hair, Daniel and Henrik are twins—-twins are weird they are disqualified, Untertaker fake “athlete”, Eric Byrnes not red hair, Jack Nicholas played a drinking game :).
I spent approximately 10 minutes on this post. Ladies I’m alllllllllll single just drop your number in reply.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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fyi
not all redheads look like this.
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Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
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Hahaha
Yeah but the point was regarding “flaming red hair”!!!!
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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good point...
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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yeah, his hair is pretty red
but he’s kind of a freak so i don’t know if it’s worth any sort of quasi-rational comparison. he works part-time as a bouncer though, and he’s really really good at it.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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Well, 7 foot tall and 300 bills
what else are you gonna do? You either bounce, reach high things for old ladies, or become a professional wrestler.
At least with bouncing you get to free booze and stragglers (if you know what I mean) without all the side effects of the steroids.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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haha. actually,
i think his main job is on a naval base. he lives in bremerton, washington. they have some sweet old carriers and other ships there from WWII, that era.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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I've got ginger-vitis.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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I really want to root for Philly
Till Ryan Howard comes to bat then I realize there’s a serious debate as to whether a player 7 wins worse than Pujols deserves the MVP.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
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(From the article you linked:)
Traveshamockery. That is a great word! And if anyone other than Albert Pujols wins NL MVP, that word should become part of everyone’s vocabulary immediately!
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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Cardinals best team in majors in offense + defense
according to the spreadsheet on the article.
Well, maybe we should focus on the pitching.
I might have to get off the whole “Sign Rafael Furcal” bandwagon.
Although I still advocate trading Skippy for Kelly Johnson…
by aNdrOss on
Oct 28, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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I don't dislike Skippy
but I’ll be mad if they don’t trade him
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 29, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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But couldn't the "best"
offensive performance be judged by… oh, I dunno… how ‘bout the guy with THE BEST FREAKIN’ OPS IN THE LEAGUE??? (For what it’s worth, A-Ram was ninth!!!?)
Youkilis was fourth, behind Milton Bradley, A-Rod, and Carlos Quentin in OPS in the AL.
gaaaahhhhh…..
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on
Oct 28, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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ah, if only things like "logic" and "reason" were a part of these awards...
in all seriousness, i would have liked to see milton bradley win it for the AL, but i don’t know how his lower number of PAs/games factor in… i think the hank aaron award is the one award that a DH should be perfect for.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
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ARam?
WTF?
Then again, the same people who voted him the best offensive player in the NL this season are the same ones who picked Kosuke Fukudome as an All-Star Game starter and would have had Alfonso Soriano on there as well.
Youkilis isn’t a good choice, but considering he’s a viable MVP candidate, it’s at least a bit defensible. But Ramirez??? Yeesh…
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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Eh, it's a fan vote
No one takes those serious do they? Kudos to Chicago, their fans get out and vote in numbers. Boston too.
And at the end of the day it’s just an award. It didn’t solve the financial crisis or cure cancer or anything.
by paposse on
Oct 28, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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I'd take it seriously
if someone that deserved it won (Pujols). I don’t think that Cub fans or Red Sox fans “get out and vote in numbers” aside from the fact that there are just larger numbers of them. That coupled with the fact that (Warning: unsupported accusation) Chicago and Boston fans are more likely to take the award as “best hitter on my team” rather than the fans of the other 28 teams who know it is supposed to be “best hitter.” Just sayin’ what I have a feeling many are thinking…
Is it fraud when Cubs ownership says "this year is our year?" Can somebody sue for that?
by thegodfather on
Oct 28, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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Considering I didn't even know there was a hank aaron award until just now,
I’m willing to let this one slide back into obscurity.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
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True,
it is just an award and winning it won’t cure cancer or bring world peace. But it should be taken seriously, it has been in the past. This is the FIRST year that the winner has been determined by fan voting. And, based on the results, this is the LAST year that on-line voting by fans should pick the winners!
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 28, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
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Not the award
I’m not arguing whether the award should be taken serious, just fan voting.
by paposse on
Oct 28, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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I don't know,
I think it’ll be great to know, from now on, who the best Red Sox and Cubs hitters have been.
by DanUpBaby on
Oct 28, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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Good point
And just to keep everyone happy, I’m sure they could throw in the best Yankee hitter occasionally!
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 28, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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everybody should already knows who those guys are from nationally televised games
on fox and espn. the whole country sees them play 1000 times a year, surely we don’t need awards.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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hasn't online voting done enough damage to the game?
does it need to sully the name of Hammerin’ Hank too?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Oct 28, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
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Personally, my favorite NPB player right now is Aoki,
it’s a shame we have so many outfielders. Or how about Hitoki Iwase as the remedy for our lefty bullpen problems?
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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the question is
is he a Proven Closer if his saves are all in Japan?
by DanUpBaby on
Oct 28, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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Never said closer;
I want him for lefty-lefty relief. If he proves he can hack it he could graduate to an Okajima-like role.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 2:55 PM EDT
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his nickname will be
JP: Japanese Pitcher.
“The Japanese pitcher did a good job of getting that lefty out in the seventh. It’s too bad I insisted he face three righties, which loaded the bases, which allowed Jimenez to give up the grand slam.”
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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If only an actual outfielder had been playing RF,
he might have had a shot at the jumping grab.
How’s that?
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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hey
guys have to get their playing time. this is something smart managers do, how dare you question it.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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Yeah, maybe if the wall had been made of cement, with spikes jutting out of it,
then it would have been a gritty thing to do to go up for that ball.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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MVN Column: Grudzielanek
I would be in full support of bringing back Grudzie. I was extremely displeased when we let him go to begin when he was asking for a very fair contract. He provides solid offense, consistently good if nothing else, and constant gold glove caliber defense. To me, Mark Grudzielanek is the kind of player that you put at second base for thirteen years and never thinking about moving or letting walk.
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Oct 28, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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Grudz is 38 now...
so that would make him 51 when his 13-year contract with us ends. I’d have to say, I think his offensive production and defensive mobility would decline significantly over that period of time. ;)
Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time
by RunninRedbird on
Oct 28, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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but his grit factor would be through the roof!
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
by adiueordie on
Oct 28, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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free sausage night
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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stop
you’re gonna get people all worked up.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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oh wait, you're right
I can’t believe it!!!!!!!!!
Maybe I’ll get tix and drive up from Chicago!
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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neutral sites rule
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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should have moved it to Seibu Dome.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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or the Polo Grounds
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on
Oct 28, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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Busch Stadium is equidistant from both sites
Bring the WS to STL.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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And people said we were undeserving of the WS in 06
We didn’t even make the playoffs this year.
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Oct 28, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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just say it's an ASG rehearsal
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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also, it would piss off the Cubs
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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I think they should have it at Wrigley
that would be the ultimate slap in the face
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
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Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
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14mph gusts, they'll just suspend the game again for the wind
or hot air.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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that way
every homerun ball could get thrown back.
oh, and somehow jim edmonds will hit a huge late-inning come from behind homerun for one of the teams.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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man I hope the Rays fans
Don’t pick up that HR ball habit.
Thus far they’re not sinking into Cubbie-style bitterness, but I’ve got my eye on them. That’d sour the story more than the bandwagoning.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go get a taco.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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who is responsible for the free tacos?
is it takonori iwamura? i hope so, because i’ve been dying to use that nickname.
by mattybobo on
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jason, "fire sauce" bartlett
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on
Oct 28, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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ah. i've had to wake up pretty early lately
haven’t been able to actually follow the series as closely as i would like to. ah well.
by mattybobo on
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Too bad it's not Jason Triple Steak Barrito
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
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Oct 28, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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Most stupid tradition in baseball
Fans now have to throw back a home-run ball from an opposing player. Suggestion: If you’re in the outfield seats tonight, bring your own ball. If you catch one from Evan Longoria, grab your kid’s Little League ball and toss it back. Everyone will cheer, and if Longoria turns out to be a Hall of Famer, you’ll have a piece of it.
During Game 2 of the NLCS, a guy in the left-field seats at Citizens Bank Park grabbed a Manny Ramirez home-run ball out of the flower bed. When he cocked his arm to throw the ball back, his buddy, realizing the ball was worth something, grabbed his shoulders from behind with both arms. After a struggle, the guy with the ball broke free and threw the ball back. Which meant the all-time leader in postseason home runs got a souvenir instead of a Phillies fan.
Remember, this tradition started with Wrigley Field bleacher bums. How smart can it be?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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Probably the Phillies
friggin’ traitor.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
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Oct 28, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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wow, we finally got a comment with the green star
about damn time!
I actually can’t remember the last time I saw one on here, and that,my friends, is a travesty
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
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Oct 28, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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no kidding
And I’ve been trying to rec stuff for quite some time.
And, fwiw, I’ve never seen the green star on VEB. Only on other blogs. I think Turf Show Times had one once.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
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Oct 28, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
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draysbay has one every two minutes
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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I know!
those rec’ing bastards. No more! We can not let those upstarts outdo us!
This is VEB damnit!
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by mattyfrommo on
Oct 28, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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and I still haven't mastered the art of commas
when drinking
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by mattyfrommo on
Oct 28, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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I had to quit flagging people
I was starting to run low on flags with all the flagging…..had to turn to flogging.
(btw, I can’t remember if i’ve made that joke before. It just happens. And if I have, just humor me and rec my post…….)
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
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I had noticed that
I was just assuming people were starting to pay more attention to what they were posting, what with the mad flagger running around.
Now I am just a little bit disappointed.
That kind of effort and honesty is worth a rec
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by mattyfrommo on
Oct 28, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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I am, if anything, a 100% effort guy.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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Did they say in Milwaukee?
The BP article I just read (admittedly just scanned it) just said “more details after the press conference” but they didn’t say it was in Milwaukee ;)
really though that does mess with the schedule of things but it probably works out great for Fox with the Obama ad they were going to delay game 6 for anyway.
by StLHugo on
Oct 28, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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I'm voting for a move to PNC Park
It’s the only October baseball we “racisct-redneck” Western Pennsylvanians will ever see. Plus, think of all the money the state would earn in tolls with people driving west across the turnpike.
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Oct 28, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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"we "racisct-redneck" Western Pennsylvanians will ever see. "
And I couldn’t agree with that statement more!!!
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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dude, you're taking his racist-redneck quote completely out of context
he’s just saying that western pennsylvanians don’t like minorities, jews, catholics, hindus, muslims, democrats, soccer players, hippies, etc. it’s not like anybody could be offended by that.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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It's not that they're racist
It’s more that they’re ignorant.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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p.s. what the hell is up with your signature?
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
by adiueordie on
Oct 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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Yup.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
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Oct 28, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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Was inspired by the title of today's main post.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
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Oct 28, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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Whew!
At least they still like cows…
;=8)
by The MooCow on
Oct 28, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
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what are you implying

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
by Dave Barry on
Oct 28, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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Bud Selig: Private Eye
Tonight’s episode: It was a rainy night in Philadelphia, and the forecast called for murder.
by mattybobo on
Oct 28, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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At least
all the players should be able to get hotel rooms in Milwaukee.
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 28, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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Chat with MO tommorow
Joe Strauss Live at StLToday.com is becoming Mo Live this week http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=581919
Live at noon, usually you can submit questions early. I would think the people here would be interested.
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Oct 28, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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How bout this question
With so much new data out there it is getting increasingly easier to value players who just were just lucky/unlucky for a season. When evaluating potential acquisitions though either trade or free agency how important is it to look for under-valued assets? What balance is their between the new metrics vs scouting when evaluating if a player just had an unlucky season or his play actually diminished?
by FlimtotheFlam on
Oct 28, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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why make Kennedy a "supersub"
when he’s one of our better defensive players (when at 2B)? makes no sense. I wouldn’t mind getting Grudz only if Kennedy poofs. Aurilia makes some sense, but most of that guys article makes NO SENSE. Renteria is more than likely over the hill, rather than pushing up the hill.
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 28, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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Renteria was a Monster in 07 and after the All-Star Break in 08
So why all the talk that he is washed up? Here is some stats for you
Renteria
wOBA* wOBA+
2003 0.395 116 STL
2004 0.339 99 STL
2005 0.324 95 BOS
2006 0.372 109 ATL
2007 0.395 117 ATL
2008 0.330 97 DET
Got all my stats from www.statcorner.com
Renteria has put up his best years in the NL and his worst in the AL. His best year ever was in 2007. Renteria also had a strong line Post All-Star of .296/.343/.469/ OPS of .812
His glove work is no where some of you make it out to be. He is slightly below average and much better than Miles or Lopez. The guy is going to rebound and have a killer year for some NL team. Why not us?
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Oct 28, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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In case you don't know
I am going to base the numbers against wOBA
wOBA or weighted on base average is a statistic developed by and used with the permission of Tom Tango. He gives a detailed rundown of it here. In a nutshell, wOBA uses linear weights on certain batting events to come up with a metric that is more statistically sound than OPS and is scaled onto an OBP scale. According to Tango "An average hitter is around 0.340 or so, a great hitter is 0.400 or higher, and a poor hitter would be under 0.300."
http://www.insidethebook.com/woba.shtml
I am going to use the Park Adjusted version of wOBA*
by FlimtotheFlam on
Oct 28, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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while he wouldn't be the worst addition
I think we can probably do better, whether it’s Furcal or a youngster
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 28, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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Unfortunately
Furcal is gonna take 3 years on a huge injury risk, I’d like to have him but there’s no way we’re gonna be the top bidder realistically. I can’t imagine Renteria wanting to take a long term deal: exactly what we’re looking for. Assuming the Tigers decline arbitration (he’s a Type A still somehow) I dunno 6-9 million on a one year deal would be fine, not to mention if he does rebound his value we could then spin him off for more draft picks (we got Colby Rasmus the first time ’round!).
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 28, 2008 2:55 PM EDT
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fuckin' Boras is on Rome (double ugh)
I gotta go again, see if he mentions someone from a “small market”.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 28, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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bud calls in to sc
Some phans were pleading with him not to call the game.
Because they were freezing their asses off and they didn’t know about the rule change, genius! Man, making me side with Phillies fans….
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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Oct 28, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
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Another reason to root for the Rays
Phillies fans apparenty yelled a baby, according to Ben Zobrist’s dad. Thought you all might find this interesting, not really surprising though.
Is it fraud when Cubs ownership says "this year is our year?" Can somebody sue for that?
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Oct 28, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Tampa's PR guy??
Tampa Bay public relations man Rick Vaughn declined to comment on that but indicated that he felt the situation was “much better” Sunday night.
“Saturday night was not cool,” Vaughn said.

"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on
Oct 28, 2008 9:37 PM EDT
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My favorite baseball movie
If nothing else because they actually taught Sheen how to throw.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
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Oct 28, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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Did you know that Charlie Sheen actually was a pitcher in high school?
Supposedly a pretty good one. I actually saw an interview on TV where Martin Sheen talked about it. Daddy Sheen felt it was sort of his fault that Charlie had some of the problems he had (uh, classic case of Catholic guilt), because he bought him a car when he turned 16, and Charlie promptly stopped doing things he should ‘ve kept doing and started doing things he shouldn’t have been doing. Baseball and school were two of the things he stopped doing…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Oct 28, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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I can believe it
He had a professional arm action if nothing else.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 29, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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Ryan Braun:
First-class douche AND a horrible actor…
by LukeMP1186 on
Oct 28, 2008 9:35 PM EDT
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Wow.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 28, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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Who makes a 3:00 commercial
…besides Barack O’Mole?
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Oct 29, 2008 1:10 AM EDT
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That was 3 minutes of Marissa Miller
You aren’t going to hear me complain one bit.
Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.
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