Carp and his shoulder

by thewizard3 on Oct 2, 2008 11:10 AM EDT Comment 11 comments

For people that know about this type of thing, was this a good decision? I'm all for keeping this guy from going under the knife again, but is this more of a bow your head and pray move?

Is this at all similar to what Mulder has dealt with in the past, as far as the seriousness of it. Is a compressed nerve as career threateing as the labrum (I have no idea what I'm talking about, but i remember that being mentioned) problem with Mulder?

My uneducated guess on whether he will be on the opening day roster is about 50/50, and my other uneducated guess on whether he will be our opening day starter is about 10/90.

What do you people who have atleast a trace of medical knowledge think?

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I have not yet looked hard into it yet,

however my medical opinion is that the athlete will ALWAYS choose not to get surgery, and this is very rarely if ever the right decision. Also, even if his rehab does work he will not be 100% by spring training.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Oct 2, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Carp's Shoulder

My head is bowed and I am praying.

The compressed nerve means that there is something seriously out of whack inside his shoulder (and this is really a recurrence of his shoulder problems, not an elbow thing). It suggests that things are moving around (e.g. instability in his shoulder), that something is torn, or that he’s got significant scar tissue.

I think 50/50 may be optimistic.

Here’s an analysis of what I happen to think is the root cause of Carp’s problems…

- Analysis of the Pitching Mechanics of Chris Carpenter

by thepainguy on Oct 2, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks guys

After you and hazel’s diagnoses, I have moved my position from “not optimistic” to “there is a very little chance Carp pitches for us next year”

I really hope Mo is going into this offseason figuring that Carp will not be availabe to pitch next season. Just sign another starter that will pitch and pull another one off the junk pile.

Also, this may not be the greatest idea right now, but Mo should looking to unload as much of Piniros’s salary and/or guaranteed salary as possible. I see no room for Piniero on our team.

The thought that I have is that the season is over. And that everybody in the game; a fan, a coach, a player, a manager, front office, scouts...surrender. They say, "that's enough," especially after a game like this. But then Christmas comes, New Years, contracts are signed, trades are made, free agents are signed; and then baseball, like the rose beneath the April snow will force it's way to the front again. And we'll have the fever once more.
- The immortal Jack Buck

by Jack618 on Oct 3, 2008 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

another article today

on the pd web site on this subject. Looks like your “significant scar tissue” hypothesis is the correct one (or, at least, the one that matches Paletta’s).

Today’s article includes the ominous quote from paletta: “there is no precedent among retired or active major-league pitchers for Carpenter’s condition.” yeesh.

What are the odds two guys, in one year, on the same team, have injuries that no other player has ever had before?

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Oct 3, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks pain guy...

Appreciate you explaining the compressed nerve in layman terms, as well as the link to your explanation of the flaw in his mechanics. I now understand why mechanics can be so important when evaluating a prospect.

Well, after this I’m not definitely not relying on Carp. If my name is Mo’ I’m thinking even more about adding another solid SP free agent OR not dealing away one of our top SP prospects. I’d prefer the latter, but we shall see.

Either way, I think Wainwright can grow into a very good ace which makes me feel better about Carp probably never returning to Cy Youn /’06 World Series form. So….

Wainwright
Lohse
Wellemeyer
Pinata
and?

I think this twist of fate with Carp is God’s way of telling us it’s time to convert K-Mac to the rotation. With Perez and Motte probably not being our clear cut closers under Tony (atleast initially) , we have two very strong RH BP arms to make up for his loss.

This is atleast an above average rotation. Then with the money saved not going after a FA SP we can then try to bring in an above league average SS. I think this completes the team fairly well. Lopez at 2B isn’t ideal but may be our best option.

Losing Carp isn’t good but it shouldn’t sink us.

by thewizard3 on Oct 2, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

They need to approach Carpenter like he doesn't exist.

If he’s able to pitch, and pitch well, Yippee! Bonus trade of some other pitcher or something. This doesn’t sound good, and in fact, it sounds like he’s already been pitching on borrowed time. I feel for Carpenter and the endless re hab. He’s got to feel like a hampster on the wheel……

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Oct 3, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Totally Agree

If you get anything out of him, then good.

But don’t count on it.

by thepainguy on Oct 3, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How does Carp

compare to Wainer? Doesn’t he have something of an inverted W thing going on?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Oct 3, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Waino

Waino does have some Inverted W and Hyperabduction in there (which makes him higher-risk).

I need to check and see if it affects his timing.

by thepainguy on Oct 4, 2008 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have been saying they need insurance for Carp

but noone really responded. I posted in the offseason moves thread. They cannot afford to waste a season on a “what if” it got them so far on three arms this yr…Clement/Carp/Mulder. go and get a solid 2-3 guy have waino be the #1.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Oct 3, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would really love to see Carpenter's MRIs.

At my work this high up manager who is also a cards fan was trying to tell me that carpenter will be fine next season. Denial isn’t just something patients have.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Oct 4, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs