cardinals 2009 roster matrix
thanks ev’ybody for the gold watch and all the kind words and well wishes; i am truly touched. transition procedures are underway, and we should have things settled by next week.
i promised to work up a roster matrix for today, so here it is w/out further ado:
2009 ROSTER MATRIX
THE BASELINE
| STARTERS | BENCH | ROTATION | PEN |
|---|---|---|---|
| molina c $3.3m |
miles ut $2m |
wainwright rhp $2.6m |
perez rhp $400K |
| pujols 1b $16m |
duncan lf $600K |
lohse rhp $7.1m |
franklin rhp $2.5m |
| kennedy 2b $4m |
barton of $400K |
pineiro rhp $7.5m |
motte rhp $400K |
| glaus 3b $11.3m |
mather of $400K |
wellemeyer rhp $2.5m |
mcclellan rhp $400K |
| [vacant] - - - |
ryan ut $400K |
carpenter rhp $14m |
kinney rhp $400K |
| schumaker lf $450K |
rasmus of memphis |
boggs rhp memphis |
thompson rhp $500K |
| ankiel cf $2.5m |
anderson c memphis |
todd rhp memphis |
jimenez rhp memphis |
| ludwick rf $1.8m |
freese 3b memphis |
mortensen rhp memphis |
worrell rhp memphis |
| TOTAL $39.0m |
TOTAL $3.8m |
TOTAL $33.7m |
TOTAL $4.6m |
| OVERALL | PAYROLL: | $81.1m |
the numbers are a lot more guesstimate-y than usual this year, because the cards have 3 arbitration-eligible players who are coming off very good years ---- ludwick, wellemeyer, and ankiel. all 3 are difficult to price, because their paths to success were so strange; it’s hard to find players to compare them to. wellemeyer and ankiel are both in their 3d year of eligibility, which is usually a pretty high-priced year, but since neither had ever established himself before 2008 their baselines are low; you can’t price them the way you’d price a typical 3d-year arb-eligible. my guesses aren’t very scientific, but they’ll have to serve for now.
i’ve given those 3 guys an aggregate salary bump of $4.5m. molina and wainwright both get $2m salary increases next year, and carp’s salary goes up by $3.5m; kennedy gets a nominal bump but glaus’s salary comes down by a couple million. the net effect on the payroll is about $10m worth of built-in salary increases, partially offsetting the roughly $35m that comes off the books (izzy, mulder, looper, encarnacion, spiezio, springer, flores, and miles).
we can anticipate a few more alterations to this grid. kennedy will be gone, but most (if not all) of the salary will probably remain on the cards’ debit sheet. i expect felipe lopez to be re-signed, probably for about $3m. there’s a reasonable chance they will sign izzy to a low-base, high-incentives deal. they will sign a big-league backup catcher; anderson isn’t ready, and it wouldn’t do him or the organization any good to rush him. miles? he may finally have played himself off the team --- after hitting .317 there might be a decent offer or two out there for him, and if it takes multiple years to keep him i don’t think the cards would commit. [my mistake --- miles is still a year away from free agency; he only hit the market last year because the club non-tendered him, and i wouldn't expect that to happen again.] at least one outfielder will almost surely be traded. and at least two left-handed pitchers will be acquired --- you might have noticed that there is not a single lhp listed on this chart.
if we set aside $10m for the anticipated acquisitions (lopez, izzy, backup catcher, LOOGYs), that leaves about $12m for a shortstop. anybody think they can get rafael furcal at that price? i wouldn’t think so, but with creative salary structuring they could probably make it work. don’t forget, glaus’s salary departs after 2009 and a league-minimum player will probably take over, so the club will be able to accommodate a $15m shortstop more comfortably from 2010 forward. i’ve heard that furcal and the dodgers have mutual interest in an extension, so the question may be moot . . . .
this matrix is only a starting point, but it’s a much better starting point than where we found ourselves at this time last year. in its current state, this payroll has a more rational allocaton of dollars than we’re accustomed to. last year’s bullpen cost $16 million, and the bench tallied nearly $6m (not counting encarnacion’s salary); both units are now composed mainly of cost-controlled homegrown players --- as they should be. while there are obvious holes, there also is a lot of flexibility in this matrix --- various options for taking in here, letting out there. it’ll be very interesting to see how it unfolds.
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Barden
I really hope he turns out to be a Mark Derosa type player. Plays everywhere, good (not great) bat. I think with him, Ryan, and even Hoffpauir, it would be foolish to give Miles even a one year deal even though he has been better than anyone could have hoped this year.
by t7rick on Oct 2, 2008 8:41 AM EDT 0 recs
If TLR is here, Miles will be back
Mainly because he knows where his bread is buttered.
Are you talking about the same Brendan Ryan that OPS’d at 57 this year? And the Jarrett Hoffpauir that couldn’t hit out of a wet paper bag at Memphis? I don’t think those two guys are going to contribute much to this team even as backup players, as much as we’d all like them to be able to do that.
Barden will be given a shot to win a utility role next season — but with a new SS in the middle infield, Lopez at second, and Miles backing up the middle infield, I have a hard time seeing him making the club because players like Freese, Mather, and Rasmus all give the club better options at the plate. I don’t see Tony carrying 4 middle infielders if he has Lopez and a FA SS who can hit — it’ll be much more like what we had in 2005 and 2006: 1 MI, 1 CN/OF (the Speezer position), 1 C, and 2 OF.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Oct 2, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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Agreed...
…and yer right: Grit will be back, and Tony plays him everywhere. It wouldn’t surprise me if they stuck a catcher’s mitt on him ion the off-season to see how he’d work….
by The MooCow on
Oct 2, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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He's already...
the emergency catcher, I believe.
by cardzfanbub on
Oct 2, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
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Mini Me is like that one night stand that just won't get out of bed the morning after
you know it was fun for what it was. but the longer she or he sticks around, the more obvious it becomes just how collosial of a mistake it would be to turn it into anything else.
why Tony can’t see that is one of life’s great mysteries.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Oct 2, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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Though I was excited when...
the team didn’t offer arbitration last year, and was disappointed when he was resigned. I have to say he was far from the worst player on the team. If he could play next year at the level he played this year I’d be okay with him as the starting secondbaseman. If we’re going to sign Lopez I see no reason to carry two guys that are limited defensively to secondbase.
by cardzfanbub on
Oct 2, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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I'm excited
about seeing Freese, Mather, and Rasmus next year.
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 2, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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heh
I hope at least Freese makes the team
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 2, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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wet paper bag you say?
In 410 AB’s for Memphis 31 doubles, 1 triple and 4 homers for a .383 slugging. Obviously that will fall when facing major league pitching but Miles had 14, 2, and 4 in 379 AB’s for a slugging of .396. I think that Hoffpauir is younger (25), has a higher upside, costs less, and has significantly more pop than Miles has. However, you will probably have to deal with more struggles from Hoffpauir out of the gate. Then again, Miles hit 30 pints over his career average BA which in turn inflated his slugging since more singles (which is what all of them were) equals more TB.
by t7rick on
Oct 2, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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fun with typos: "30 pints over his career average"
all of those pints are definitely going to inflate his chugging percentage.
by mattybobo on
Oct 2, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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or
the amount of blood in his body
or
the amount of blood he donates annually.
by sdesserman on
Oct 2, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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The best addition to the roster
matrix we can hope to see is a willingness to bump the payroll up by about 10% or so. I’m no expert, but I think the revenue is there. I don’t want to wantonly throw cash around, but I think the payroll should have grown more since Busch III opened.
I would love to see one more run producer in addition to the obvious acquisitions and, unfortunately, I don’t think it will be Rasmus. In any event, it will be interesting to see who the OFs will be on the 2009 opening day roster.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Oct 2, 2008 8:59 AM EDT 0 recs
Are you referencing Strauss
who yesterday reportedly said that Rasmus may be headed to the Rox as part of a package for MHolliday?
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by gocards62 on
Oct 2, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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I didn't see that.....
Did he speculate at what the rest of the deal might look like?
Would love to use that deal to unload of AK and/or JP.
by SoonerfanTU on
Oct 2, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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Tragic
isn’t strong enough to describe how bad that deal would be.
by chuckb on
Oct 2, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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Yes, it would be colossally stupid
to not only trade for a guy who will almost certainly underperform his career numbers, but to put the guy you don’t want in a situation where he can make you look as bad as possible by hitting in the best hitter’s park in the league. Not to mention that Holliday will only have one year left on his deal.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Oct 2, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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yeah
it would be a deal made while blacked out, would be the only way to defend it.
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Oct 2, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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if they go after Roy, they should offer one of their other OF's
not Colby, LUD or Bombs in a package that includes other parts. i know MO & Jeff have said no one is untouchable. but unless the Cards are blown away, those are the 3 OF’s i want them to keep the most.
like most, i have a special interest for Rick too. but until he shows me he can be healthy for an entire season, i’d still consider him more tradiable than the three i mentioned.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Oct 2, 2008 2:41 PM EDT
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i sure am glad to see i'm still in mid season form
yep, of course i meant matt. i tell you, i’d fubar my own funeral if given the opportunity
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Oct 3, 2008 2:40 AM EDT
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a preview of that funeral
gmd462 was a great guy…really he was…oh, this is gdm426’s funeral? Shit. That’s right. Well, still a great guy and all…lemme look at the rest of the speech right quick.
by stlfan on
Oct 4, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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I certainly hope that is another case
of Strauss trying to be funny. If you are gonna trade him for one season of Holliday, why the hel didn’t they move him at the trade deadline for a bigger haul?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Oct 2, 2008 5:53 PM EDT
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Miles
should be under our control this coming year. This should be his last arbitration year.
by outraged on Oct 2, 2008 9:11 AM EDT 0 recs
Since he was let go last year
before re-signing, is he still arb eligible?
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by Alxfritz on
Oct 2, 2008 9:14 AM EDT
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I remember a chat with Mo and he seemed to imply that he was
I’ll see if I can find it.
by outraged on
Oct 2, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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found it
gocrdnls25: Q: What is the future of Aaron Miles in a Cardinals uniform? I know he is due up for arbitration this offseason, he has been pretty effective this year for us
Mozeliak: Mr. Miles is a 5+ so he to is someone we control for one more year.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080826&content_id=3370256&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl
by outraged on
Oct 2, 2008 9:19 AM EDT
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Errg
I hate the back button sometimes….I just had a long post about eligility yada yada… but basically here is the CBA Miles is eligible for arbitration still and Lopez might be, the only conditions are that you have more then 3 yrs of service time but less than 6, you may also be a “super 2” if you are in the top 17% of service time among those with less than 3 yrs.
by StLHugo on
Oct 2, 2008 9:40 AM EDT
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I'm gonna pound the drum
Ben. Zobrist. He’s free, he’s blocked, he can be pretty good. The amount of roster flexibility that he would provide to us going forward would be incredible. The Rays are fine at catcher with Navarro making the obvious and reasonable-on-a-talent-level Anderson deal moot, but they no longer have the glut of OFs in the system. Daryl Jones would be a little too steep in terms of raw value but honestly in relative value that might be a reasonable deal. We NEED a shortstop and a cost controlled one at that. Either cut some corners elsewhere on LOOGYs or Dewitt can open up 5 mil more and that’d leave enough room for Lowe…no one can tell me that wouldn’t be the best team in the league. Regardless, Zobrist would give us much, much, much needed flexibility/production.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
by joker24 on Oct 2, 2008 9:31 AM EDT 0 recs
Actually
Schumaker for Zobrist makes more sense. They’re on almost the exact same career path at different positions. Basically a year of service time, late-to-the-show production and both fill a need. Rays need an OF’er capable of playing right, we need a shortstop and they’re practically the same player. This makes lots—-and I do mean lots—-of sense to me.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
by joker24 on
Oct 2, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
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doubtful
would be a perfect trade for us, considering we need to dump some OFs.
but since the whole league is gunning for young SSs, i doubt the Rays would just toss someone of his potential just for Skip.
by rmtx97 on
Oct 2, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
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Everyone really underrates Skip's season
He was 5 WARP OF’er in ‘08. Browsing around the league, there simply aren’t any free/cheap 5 WARP (especially lefty) CF/RF out there on teams that also could even use a SS let alone also have other outfielders to fill in. He’s a valuable chip. The Rays don’t need pitching, they don’t need any infielders: they need an OF’er and they need to improve going into next year (Red Sox had much better run differential). I might be underrating Zobrist’s value as well, as in we might need to toss another piece in as well, but Skip fits perfectly into their system/plan as well as he represents a significant upgrade going forward in their RF platoon.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 2, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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I used "as well" 3 times in one sentence. I know. I'm sorry.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 2, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
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OFs galore!
Our blatant excess is OF. Look at all the kids this year:
Skip, Lud, Ank, Barton, Dunc, Rasmus, Mather and all the other kids at AAA.
Since Rasmus has been proclaimed as the next great thing, you’d think our eventual starters would be:
Left: Luddy
Center: Rasmus
Right: Ank
As much as I like Skip, I don’t think we would miss him as much if we turned him into something we really needed (fill some of our blatant holes).
by rmtx97 on
Oct 2, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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but 5 WARP
isn’t as hard to come by in the OF as it is at SS. He’s also basically a platoon player due to his ineptitude against lefties. I don’t think we could get Zobrist for him.
by chuckb on
Oct 2, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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I need to get off of VEB
Fortunately the teams’ respective needs line up, the Rays can’t maximally use Zobrist. He might be in raw value worth more, but they can’t get much from him and as I said before there aren’t any other 5+ VORP outfielders that match up with what the Rays would need.
With Zobrist’s likely usage of 300-400 PAs he’s a 20-25 run hitter with about 10 on defense over replacement. Schumaker in 500 PAs against an even higher percentage of righthanders is a 25 run hitter (platooning him and taking out ABs vs lefties where he was below replacement helps him and they have a platoon partner with Gross) with 15-20 runs on defense over replacement. They’re picking up runs with playing time in account. Zobrist is a better player, Schumaker is a better fit. Is there a better deal out there anyone?
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 2, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
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I'm all for trying to get Zobrist
I just wouldn’t trade a good young SS for a platoon OF. Like you, I’m not too sure what the Rays’ needs are. Guess we’ll get a better idea over the course of the next couple of weeks but I think we’d have to offer someone w/ more upside than Skip to get Zobrist.
by chuckb on
Oct 2, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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Oh I know, I'm not attacking you haha
Just defending my little trade idea. The Rays window isn’t very big with the payroll disadvantages they face and this upgrades them in ’09 and probably ’10 with Bartlett still being cost controlled.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on
Oct 2, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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I like the idea of getting Zobrist as well
but I think Gabe Gross filled the LH hitting OF the Rays were looking for
by vances law on
Oct 2, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
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I'll toot the horn then...
I’d like to see Brandon Wood if Zobrist cannot be had.
The Angels OF is getting older (Vladdy 36, Hunter 32, Matthews 33, Anderson 32, Rivera 29. Reggie Willits only played about 250 innings in the OF this year…dunno if it was because of injury or the others being better.
by stlfan on
Oct 2, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
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You have Vlad and Garrett Anderson confused with each other
Anderson is 36 and will be 37 next year, Vlad is 32 and will be 33 before the start of next season. Neither is going to play a ton of outfield in the future.
Rivera isn’t much of an outfielder — I think they’ll probably have Matthews in left, Hunter in CF, and Vlad in RF next year with Anderson and Rivera DHing mostly.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Oct 2, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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vlad sure looks older than 32 these days
i can certainly see why that confusion would be made. I wouldn’t be surprised to see vlad’s production completely fall off a cliff in the next year or two.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
by SleepyCA on
Oct 2, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
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I wonder what the recovery time is for double knee replacement???
Went to a non-Cards game against the Angels last year with my wife. She saw him hobble out to RF, started laughing and asking why someone like that hadn’t retired yet. She was very surprised when I told her his name and she realized how good he was.
by birdo rojo on
Oct 2, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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Brandon Wood
Definitely my pipe dream of choice this off-season. He’s not a La Russa Guy, but then TLR’s surprised us before.
by DanUpBaby on
Oct 2, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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see now i like you already
Brandon Wood in ’09!
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on
Oct 2, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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Word
I’d kill for Wood. 31 HR in AAA last year…23 years old…and, from what I understand, the Angels are slightly down on him because of his poor major-league production and their organizational glut of shortstops. He’s probably never going to be cheaper than now.
by mojowo11 on
Oct 2, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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They're down on him because he didn't do squat
with regular playing time (150 at bats) down the stretch when they were looking for any middle infielder who might be able to hit more than 2 home runs a year and be somewhat competent. He hit the homeruns (5) but didn’t do anything else unless you count striking out (43 times vs. 4 walks).
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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Wood = Reyes
Dominates AAA but can’t handle the Show
by FlimtotheFlam on
Oct 2, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
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Reyes
At least Reyes had some success. Wood’s done absolutely nothing.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 2, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
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that's what I said about zobrist last year
this year, he put up an unlucky .844 OPS. Not enough PA’s to really prove that he can do it, but enough to make him seem like more than a AAAA player.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
by SleepyCA on
Oct 2, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
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that's one of my favorite drums
I wish we would have pursued that prior to him having such a good season.
by azruavatar on
Oct 2, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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I'd still like to see us.....
Find a way to dump JP too, and maybe resign Looper. That would also free up a little more cash for the SS position.
But what do we do if we somehow find, or end up with, a cheaper SS? What do we spend that extra cash on?
by SoonerfanTU on Oct 2, 2008 9:42 AM EDT 0 recs
then
ownership pockets money. Theyre not going to spend it just to spend it. It also gives more flexibility to make trades
mid-season for high priced guys
by eglasier on
Oct 2, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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Do you still believe that line?
That they save the money for a mid season acquisition?
by FlimtotheFlam on
Oct 2, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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I guess hypothetically
but I wouldn’t spend it either unless it was a good deal
by eglasier on
Oct 2, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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Izzy
How can they possibly consider wasting a roster spot on him?
I don’t care if he dazzles in Spring Training, once he makes the team no one has the nerve to take Old Yeller out back and DFA him before the season is over.
by musial6 on Oct 2, 2008 9:47 AM EDT 0 recs
If he is healthy.....
I see no reason why he can’t be effective, like he has been his entire career. And if it ends up that he is not healthy, I don’t think they’ll hesitate, as much, to move him out of the closer’s role, or to DL him.
There aren’t many closer options out there. Some will disagree with this, but I think that next year, a healthy Izzy is > Perez. So we pretty much either go into the season with Perez/Motte as our closing options, and little to no backup behind them if they should fail, or we sign a guy like Izzy, and have 3 options.
by SoonerfanTU on
Oct 2, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
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I just puked in my mouth a little bit
31 Blown Saves
by FlimtotheFlam on
Oct 2, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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I can't believe I'm about to do this
But Isringhausen has done this before i.e. come back from the dead. He was brutal in ‘06 and came back to pitch like an ace closer in ’07 (hell his FIP in ’08 was better than in ’06). With the caveats being that he is absolutely not guaranteed any role and it is cheap, bringing him back represents exactly the kind of low-cost high upside deals that we around here LOVE if we’d take the emotion-o’-Izzy out of it. He’s going to have had a long time to let the hip settle down and the forearm muscle might’ve been a bigger deal this year than anyone let on. I don’t trust LaRussa to follow through on that one caveat, but even then I think Mo has enough pull to keep things reasonable.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
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Oct 2, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
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Izzy
I remember what Wainman said about Izzy as a mentor, and how helpful that was to Adam in ’06. If he could be had for cheap and Tony would use him in a set up role I have no problem with it. Other wise it might be time to retire.
by nybirdfan on
Oct 2, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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I wouldn't mind bringing Izzy back but not as the closer
If he isn’t given the closer role I wouldn’t mind having him back and I would like to see him get to 300 saves even if it is a bunch of 3 inning ones.
by StLHugo on
Oct 2, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
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my problem w/ this idea is that
w/ such uncertainty about the closer situation, offering Izzy an incentive-laden contract means there’s a good chance he starts the season as the closer by default. I’m not opposed to Izzy on an incentive-laden deal, but I think offering him that right now, considering that LaRussa doesn’t like Perez and there’s no obvious heir apparent, means Izzy’ll be the closer if he “looks good” in the spring. I really love Izzy and think he is too maligned for his tenure in St. Louis, but I really believe it’s in the team’s best interest to just close the door. Thanks for everything, Izzy, and best of luck to you.
by chuckb on
Oct 2, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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from your lips, to MO's ears
hopefully
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Oct 2, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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hahahah!
“Ole Yeller”, you just made my day. I just laughed out loud and my students all looked up from their exam :)
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