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In Which I Think Positive Elbow Thoughts

Matt Stairs fulfilled a long-standing dream of mine last night. I've always wanted a player, when asked about his clutch pinch hit homer—about his strategy, his plate coverage, his pitch selection—to say, "Well, Howard, I mainly just swing as hard as I can." (video h.t.: Baseball Primer.)

It's not as if it takes a lot of scouting to see that Matt Stairs takes, and has always taken, a swing that seems to assume the baseball is multi-colored, horse-shaped, and filled with candy, but how often does a piayer just come right out and say it? Hopefully this honesty will radiate outward from Stairs in time to produce some cathartic Winter Meetings confessional articles. DUNCAN: "I really just didn't like his stupid brim, and his stupid, stupid face"MARQUIS: "Yeah, it's not really even a sinker"; ISRINGHAUSEN: "Sometimes I'm not even sure my right arm's attached until I start warming up." 

Odds and ends today; some unexpected classwork cut into my prep time. 

 

  • Albert Pujols is so good at baseball that he can transform the nature of his elbow injury at will. Is this surgery instead of the inevitable Tommy John? Is it in addition to? Does it stave it off for some indeterminate amount of time? I don't want to besmirch Doc Paletta's reputation too badly, since I'm sure we don't know all there is to know about the Carp and Mulder situations, but it's safe to say that I would feel a little better about this if it were some other doctor telling me the mang would be—gulp—ready in time for Spring Training. Pretty soon everyone's two favorite Dan and Al memes, "He'll be ready for Spring Training" and "He's like trading for a frontline player at the deadline", will have to be merged into one ur-phrase. 
  • Rocco Baldelli? Rocco Baldelli! Back when it seemed like the Cardinals wouldn't have a surplus of outfielders going into 2009, back when he was most famous for an overly ambitious Joe DiMaggio comparison from the Devil Rays and not a mitochondrial disease, the Woonsocket Rocket was my default answer when the Cardinals found themselves, by my estimation, a hitter short. Baldelli not just coming back but homering in a crucial playoff game—this is the point at which the Rays reach inspiring-story overload. 
  • Merry CRasmus has a well-researched fanpost about rotation construction, if yesterday's post was simply not enough for you on the subject. I probably would have restricted the search to the actual pitchers who get long term deals (where you still have a Jason Schmidt contract for every Mike Mussina contract), but it's a discussion starter. For the Cardinals' sake, if nothing else, I hope the "bottom-up" method of rotation construction is a sound one; the Cardinals have developed a gaggle of starting prospects in recent years, with more on the way, but they all seem predestined from draft day to the bottom half of the rotation. 
  • Speaking of discussion, in case you missed it we have a new hot stove open thread on the sidebar. I love the Hot Stove League, and I look forward to it every year, but I always forget about the oppressive lull that descends over the golfing teams until the end of the World Series. It'll be time to refresh Bernie's Press Box every ten minutes soon enough; in the meantime it's all we can do to hunker down and think thoughts of Brandon Wood, Rafael Furcal, or your number two starter of choice.
Sorry to bullet-point and run. Game thread in time to root Our Rays past the Hated Sox, and I mean it this time. 

 

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Matt Stairs

The guy is a baseball player and not an athlete. Stairs has put together a long, solid career. I was glad to see him get that home run last night. He had his best years in Oakland but has made a career out of being a left-handed hitting platoon player and now a pinch-hitter. This could be the year that Stairs gets to bat in a World Series.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 14, 2008 8:51 AM EDT   0 recs

Would you call...

David Wells an athlete? I wouldn’t…but he sure could pitch a baseball.

by stlfan on Oct 14, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if you look at the definition

it’s anyone that has strength, stamina, or agility. you don’t have to have all three. Or it could mean that you participate in a sport that requires a physical skill. how much more clear can it be? I think everyone has been brainwashed by advertising into thinking that a certain body type means athlete, rather than the real definition.

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 14, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

btw

I’ve got into this debate before with non-baseball fans. so I’m a little surprised here.

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 14, 2008 5:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

David Wells

could dunk a basketball.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Oct 14, 2008 5:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And

a donut!

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Oct 14, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can dunk, too

on an 8 foot hoop…and I bet David can as well.

by stlfan on Oct 14, 2008 11:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

athlete

a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.

seems to me that he’s an athlete

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 14, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's an old John Kruk quote

He told a story once of being confronted by an old lady who looked at him and said, “My God. How can you call yourself an athlete.” He responded, “Lady, I’m not an athlete. I’m a professional baseball player.”

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 14, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that works

better than a professional wrestler!

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's

one of my all-time favorite baseball quotes. It’s a shame Kruk has turned into a cartoon on TV.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 14, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting turn of events with PUjols

I don’t read the Post Dispatch every day – had the numbness issue been mentioned during the season?

by sdrone on Oct 14, 2008 9:01 AM EDT   0 recs

"barking"

Is all I remember hearing. But in Cards medical lingo that could be anything from a scrape to a missing arm.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 14, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

From my understanding

Which is restricted to here, and part of what I heard on 1380 while the girlfriend was yapping in my year…er…carring on an intelligent conversation that I will get into trouble later for not knowing the details..anyway,

From my understanding this is going to fix Pujols elbow. Instead it is going to help easy the pain and the Mang hopes to be able to advoid TJ surgery until his playing days are done.

(Or unti he signs a 10 year deal?)

by Evilfrog on Oct 14, 2008 9:49 AM EDT   0 recs

Dumb and Dumber reference
Yeah I called her up, she gave me a bunch of crap about me not listening to her, or something, I don’t know, I wasn’t really paying attention.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 14, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Position players

don’t put the stress on their elbow that pitchers do; when you’re throwing to a base, you don’t want the ball to curve, slide, or drop!

I Am Not A Doctor, but as I understand Joe Strauss’ story, yesterday’s surgery is intended to relieve the pain Albert’s had in his elbow. Yeah, he could “blow out” the ligament on a throw… but it’s not likely!

Heck, Ozzie Smith played the last several years of his career with a freakin’ torn rotator cuff (!)… and just flipped the ball to first base more quickly!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Oct 14, 2008 10:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ozzie really did that?

I’m a big Ozzie fan, and I didn’t even know that he played with a torn rotator cuff (or at least I forgot if I did know).

by saladdays on Oct 14, 2008 11:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i recall hearing he only had one "good throw" in him a game

because of an injury

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 14, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm no medical

expert, but am a former pitcher and played with labral and rotator cuff tears. I think a lot of people play with these, even pitchers, but they continue to play despite these tears either because their pain threshold is high or because they are just not that symptomatic. All tears do not necessarily HAVE to be fixed. It depends on how a player responds to the injury

by eglasier on Oct 14, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re: elbows and shoulders

I will graduate from medical school in june, and will be entering orthopedic surgery residency (location to be determined in the next couple months) at that time. I have spent 5 of the last 6 months of my life on orthopedics services, and since silent bob hasn’t been chiming in as much lately I can pass on some of my impressions in the mean time.

random thoughts from a sleep deprived guy post-call:

1) you really can’t trust anything that is said publicly about athletes’ heath statuses. they often release only the most minimal amount of information, generally leaving out of the press release any criteria for accurately assessing prognoses.

2) just because an mri says something is torn doesn’t mean it is – well kind of. Not everything is as cut and dry as an ACL tear in your knee (rotator cuff, labrum, ulnar collateral ligament, etc), and even if there is tearing or fraying or stretching suspected, it’s often hard to know definitively without an earlier comparison scan. Even the best scans are wrong more than you’d imagine.

3) Tears aren’t always fixable, and even if you find something wrong and fix it, it may not have been what was causing the symptoms.

4) We all get wear and tear on our joints. If you did mri’s on all of us reading this website you’d find problems with meniscus and rotator cuff and labrum all over the place. it doesn’t bother most of us and many will never know they ever had a problem. Re: Ozzie’s shoulder – I can’t imagine ANY major league veterans don’t have some pathologic changes with their cuff. we homosapiens really aren’t made to throw 90 mph for years and years.

5) how can albert’s elbow (ligament problem) be horrible and ok at the same time? The ulnar collateral ligament (or MCL of elbow) has multiple layers and is really not something that snaps like it was cut by a knife. It stretches, frays, re-scars as part of the healing process, and may very well be still in tact on the deeper layer. While tommy john surgery is not that huge of a deal procedurally, I can believe that he is felt to be able to get by as is.

6) how can albert’s elbow (nerve transposition) allow him to be there for spring training? this really, really is not a big deal. caveat – see random thought #1. who knows if this was the only reason the procedure is done. the ulnar nerve is tethered normally at your “funny bone.” his slips over when he flexes – that’s pretty common. I have probably seen ten cases where we had to repair something in the area and to minimize the chance that the nerve gets irritated we would prophylacticly “transpose” it to a less taught position. If that’s all that was done he’ll feel great in weeks, not months.

arghh. I’m tired and am probably not making coherent thoughts. I’ll try to make more sense when I can keep my eyes open.

by ribbij on Oct 14, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ribbij, that's great stuff

I have not posted much lately, mostly because I cannot post at work anymore (productivity be damned!).

Your thoughts on the matter are appreciated…if you can find the time to post here (as a sleep-deprived med student), than I have no excuse!

by silent_bob on Oct 14, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That was Dave Concepcion

Surely Ozzie did that at times, but what I recall him doing was taking roundabout routes to get to balls so that he gloved them with his momentum going towards first base, then tossing it over there in a way that took advantage of his momentum. Strange to describe, I realize, but that’s what he did. It was a very hard feat to pull off, but then again, we’re talking about Ozzie Smith here.

Here you go:
http://books.google.com/books?id=c8atyj4237wC&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=ozzie+smith+throws+to+first&source=web&ots=KYiOhsIOnr&sig=RZEWY_U-4DZIK9AJno1pHumSUJo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 14, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's okay! I'm a limo driver!

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Oct 14, 2008 10:36 AM EDT   0 recs

Read the P-D account

Dr. James Andrews consulted on Pujols. No, he’s not Julie Andrews’s brother.

by Red in Chicago on Oct 14, 2008 11:37 AM EDT   0 recs

Bird Land

Goold has up a new Bird Land describing the procedure, KMac and Springer have both had it done, though it has advanced since Springer had his. Basically the nerve isn’t staying put where it is supposed to and gets pinched every time he moved his elbow. So they moved the nerve, which from what it sounds like entails cutting the muscle close to the elbow moving the nerve from beneath it and then reattaching the muscle. KMac said he felt good as new the next day. Typical pitcher rehab is 3 weeks of rest and 3 weeks of restrengthening then you can begin throwing.

by StLHugo on Oct 14, 2008 11:43 AM EDT   0 recs

Can Pujols get a bloody elbow wrap?

The nerve was flapping against the bone! He’s a hero!

by sdrone on Oct 14, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but he has way too much talent to be gritty

They’d just argue that he shouldn’t be such a baby and play even better.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 14, 2008 12:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

what a wuss!

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 14, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear david eckstein

once played three full seasons without a bat. He’d just throw his hand in front of the pitch and try to take it to the opposite field.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 14, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You couldn't be more WRONG.

Aaron Miles has played more than 3 seasons.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 14, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sometimes I wish I could rec an entire thread

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 14, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

as much as I hate em

+1 ( I don’t hate APu or Grit, I meant the plus ones)

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 14, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i love the hot stove league too
Speaking of discussion, in case you missed it we have a new hot stove open thread on the sidebar. I love the Hot Stove League, and I look forward to it every year, but I always forget about the oppressive lull that descends over the golfing teams until the end of the World Series. It’ll be time to refresh Bernie’s Press Box every ten minutes soon enough; in the meantime it’s all we can do to hunker down and think thoughts of Brandon Wood, Rafael Furcal, or your number two starter of choice.

I love it too, we always seem to have a good team but we never get the player we want do we?
Its almost masochistic that way

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www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 14, 2008 2:56 PM EDT   0 recs

if my hot stove league team

competed in Busch Stadium instead of Moz and Jocketty’s squad we’d be complaining about Jason Schmidt and letting A.J. Burnett walk at this very moment. The moment I get excited about a starting pitcher contract is the moment the starting pitcher’s rotator cuff sets itself on fire.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 14, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

for me itwas Maddux in like 2004
Hudson in 2005, and Mulder “yeah, I was fer it fer I was agint it”
then I kinda wanted Giles but not really
Schmidt
Burnett…
I was pro Reyes

you know now that I think of it, lets let someone else sign Furcal ;-)

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 14, 2008 4:57 PM EDT   0 recs

who's turning their lights out?

I’ve got everything off except the t.v. and the computer.

And Upton strolls in to steal second. Of course that doesn’t matter since Peña just smashed one to the top of the Monster. Second row.

…and the very next pitch, Longo goes long. Next up? Stand-up double. First inning, one out!

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 14, 2008 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

I said it in May

I will day it again now. I want BJ UPton (on the Cards that is)

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 14, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wakefield slow to get up?

can’t tell while they’re replaying the play over and over again

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 14, 2008 8:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Aybar rockets one out of the park

I like this derby!

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 14, 2008 8:45 PM EDT   0 recs

you do know there's a game thread up, right?

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 14, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh man tabs

Of course I’m posting in the wrong place. Multi-tasking gets me again!

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 14, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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