Is Wonder Brad going to the Pirates?

by Red Blazer on Jan 8, 2008 10:59 PM EST

mlbtraderumors.com has reported the pirates are interested in Brad Thompson. Apparently Duncan for Wilson was discussed. How pissed off would everyone be if that had happened. Anyways some combo of Thompson and whatever is suppose to net us Morris & Wilson. I say if there is anything worth getting from the Pirates it's Ian Snell. Supposedly they talked about dealing him to the Mariners. I know it will take more than Thompson but how about throwing in Duncan and some AA talent for Snell and Bay. Hell we could throw in Schumacher and Mather. We have all kinds of spare parts for cheap which Pitt will need while they rebuild. Pitt wanted Adam Jones how about a poor mans Adam Jones by the name of Barton. Duncan, Barton, Boggs, Reyes, Thompson, Ryan etc... for Morris, Snell, Bay, Wilson. I would make that trade on Nintendo all day long. Thoughts?

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I assume

that by Barton you mean Brian Barton, the recent rule V draftee by the Cardinals. It seems to me that we cannot trade him this year. Remember last year with Josh Hamilton? The Cubs picked him up & then immediately flipped him to the Reds for cash. Then Bud "no balls" Selig stepped in & said that the Reds could have him for nothing, because the Cubs were breaking the "Must be on the team's active roster" rule. Even if I am wrong, why would the Pirates want him? Didn't they have a chance at him before we did?

sign someone GOOD this time!

by dunc4life on Jan 8, 2008 11:19 PM EST reply actions

Hell yeah!

"Duncan, Barton, Boggs, Reyes, Thompson, Ryan etc... for Morris, Snell, Bay, Wilson"

I would make that trade anyday of the week....

Also If Thompson is the key piece in a trade for Wilson and Morris then THATS AWESOME......

by Calhoun on Jan 8, 2008 11:19 PM EST reply actions

Wilson AND Morris???

If you can't get either Snell or Bay then the Pirates aren't worth trading with. Of course you probably have to take one of the above mentioned guy to even get the talks started, but....

Wilson AND Morris for anybody is a step backward.

"You're either rebuilding for something special, or you're on the verge of something special. To be in between is foolish." Billy Beane

by bobbyballgame1 on Jan 8, 2008 11:29 PM EST reply actions

Now....

Bay and Morris for Duncan, Thompson, and Reyes/Johnson would work.

"You're either rebuilding for something special, or you're on the verge of something special. To be in between is foolish." Billy Beane

by bobbyballgame1 on Jan 8, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions

absolutely right

unless you get snell and/or bay, there is no point. taking morrris at this stage is doing them a favor and the return favor has to be snell or bay

by sportsman on Jan 9, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions

Exception

I would definitely take Tom Gorzellany off of their hands as well, although he's probably not going to be on the trade block.

"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 9, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

Barton

is an EXTREMELY poor man's Adam Jones.

The hot stove is burning...

by cardzfan24 on Jan 8, 2008 11:44 PM EST reply actions

yes...

I picture some vagrant, with the gloves where the tips of the fingers stick out drinking wine out of a box.

"You're either rebuilding for something special, or you're on the verge of something special. To be in between is foolish." Billy Beane

by bobbyballgame1 on Jan 9, 2008 12:45 AM EST up reply actions

Who lives in a van down by the river?

Maybe moonlights as a motivational speaker?

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2008 3:22 AM EST up reply actions

That IS poor!

Wishing he could trade his damnable intelligence and sensitivity for just one more ounce of pure atheletic abilty.

If we can't be good, can we at least be lucky?

by cardschinmusic on Jan 9, 2008 6:01 AM EST up reply actions

heh...

In a van, down by the river. D.GOOCH

Cardinals, Cardinals, Cardinals!

by GOOCH24 on Jan 9, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions

Pirates

there are only two pirates that I would have any remote interest in: Ian Snell and Jason Bay. Unfortunately, I don't see Thompson fetching either of them.

I am curious to hear what they are willing to give up, though. Thompson isn't your typical rumored trade target.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jan 8, 2008 11:54 PM EST reply actions

im back

IM BACK

HURRY BACK CARP AND MULDER

by LaRussa4President on Jan 8, 2008 11:55 PM EST reply actions

I SAY

TRADE THAT PUUPY KICKER. HE SUCKS ANYWAY.

HURRY BACK CARP AND MULDER

by LaRussa4President on Jan 8, 2008 11:56 PM EST reply actions

yeah no body missed you

so you can go ahead & leave again.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jan 9, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

Miguel Cairo has signed with the Mariners

dodged a bullet on that one.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 9, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions

We dodge bullets

somewhat like Bonnie and Clyde did.

I'm sure one or two missed them as well.

by Harknights on Jan 9, 2008 1:26 AM EST up reply actions

Cool!

But sadly I'm sure that Desi Relaford is still out there somewhere. I bet Shea Hillenbrand could be tacked on too. The Cards are kind of like Bambi's mom...get missed a few times, but inevitably are going to get dinged with something (er, somebody?).

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2008 3:43 AM EST up reply actions

and......

Ensberg, Valentin, Feliz and McPherson are all hoping to join our infield mix soon.

If we can't be good, can we at least be lucky?

by cardschinmusic on Jan 9, 2008 6:18 AM EST up reply actions

Seems to me

This should have been fully explored BEFORE signing Izturis. And Jiminez. And Miles. There's not exactly room on the roster for Morris anymore.

What about something like Duncan, Thompson, and Bryan Anderson+ for Snell and Morris? The plus being any combination of Reyes, Looper, Johnson, Flores, etc.

I'd rather have Snell and Bay, and in fact the very acquisition of Snell would make Morris quite unnecessary, but I can't imagine them trading us Snell without taking on Matty Mo's salary.

I guess the rotation would look something like:

Wainwright
Snell
Piniero
Morris
Clement

We'd be in a good position to drop Clement to keep him from getting incentives if he stinks the place up, with whoever doesn't leave of Thompson/Looper/Reyes, or post-surgery Mulder.

I think it's a pipe dream though, I can't imagine they'd trade us Snell.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Jan 9, 2008 2:46 AM EST reply actions

Hmm

I don't see the Pirates trading Snell AND Bay in one package unless they get completely bowled over. Snell is a pretty respectable young arm and Bay has always been a productive hitter who is also the face of that franchise right now. It would take a hell of a deal to pull that one off. I think if we did that it would have to include Rasmus, Duncan, Anderson, and then some 2/3 person combo of Waino, Garcia, Boggs, Thompson, and Perez. I don't think that would be a wise package.

Anything that includes Morris or Wilson is just adding more shit to throw at that proverbial wall. Only difference is that this shit is particularly old and expensive...Like a really crappy wine from 1994 or something.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2008 3:26 AM EST reply actions

I go to PNC Park about 20 times a year

and the fan base wants nothing to do with Bay anymore. He comes up small in big situations, continually throws to the wrong bases from the outfield, appears disinterested in getting dirty while playing defense.

Hmm...imagine JD Drew, but wearing a Pirate uniform.

Freddy Sanchez is the face of that franchise right now.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 9, 2008 3:33 AM EST up reply actions

Really?

How about that. The city of Pittsburgh singlehandedly had him starting the ASG at PNC last year, and they're down on him that badly eh? I guess having a lousy year this past season doesn't help too much.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2008 3:37 AM EST up reply actions

The Bay thing was more than likely MLB's

doing. Freddy Sanchez was the fan favorite there that night. His All-Star shirt sold out by the 4th inning (I was there and a friend tried to get one). When he got in the game, they cheered him louder than any other player on the field.

I think Bay got lumped in with LaRoche (another supposed 'big time player') who provided very little early on in '07 and the fanbase turned on him.

LaRoche is another funny situation. He was putrid to start the season while adjusting moving over from Atlanta but was able to hit around .300 from May through September. Yet, the fans never forgave him of that April.

Fickle.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 9, 2008 4:48 AM EST up reply actions

Pirates fans should know...

After the world comes to an end, there will be nothing left but Laroches.

I hope there is no trade with the Pirates.

If we can't be good, can we at least be lucky?

by cardschinmusic on Jan 9, 2008 6:39 AM EST up reply actions

Well, I was thinking it

and you said it, so I'll agree. I think Bay is is decline.

by ridgesee on Jan 9, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions

matty mo

i have always liked matty mo. and to me he will always be a cardinal but i am not sure i want to see him pitching for the cardinals next year. now if it is sitution where the only way to get a guy like bay is to take morris' contract then i guess that would be ok.

but i hope that thompson does get traded somewhere.

HURRY BACK CARP AND MULDER

by LaRussa4President on Jan 9, 2008 5:06 AM EST reply actions

What makes sense?

Bay is the only guy on the Pirates that makes sense for the Cards that they have enough to deal for.

Is it a Thompson and Duncan + for Bay. I guess the Pirates may want to expand the deal to dump a Morris or Wilson contract.

I don't think the Cards can get Snell without sending Rasmus...and that is something I wouldn't do.

How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions

Ahem

Not that this is directed at Red Blazer, but can we go back to the daily hot stove diary again?

I liked that better: all our rumors in one place.

by arch support on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions

How many offensively-lacking middle infielders

do we need?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Jan 9, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions

Is there any we missed?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jan 10, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

nyjer morgan

That's the one player I really want from the pirates... he is superfast, high OBP, and he threw me a ball in the bleachers last year. :D

by lynx on Jan 9, 2008 10:38 AM EST reply actions

He's also like 35 years old

I believe.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 9, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions

born in

1980, July 2nd... Not too old

by lynx on Jan 10, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions

There is no way

the Pirates trade Jason Bay within the division unless the deck is stacked so completely in their favor that it is a can't miss. And since the Cardinals do not have the trade chips to make that happen, we can forget about Jason Bay donning the Birds on the Bat anytime soon. Sorry...keep dreaming.

"And that's a winner. A World Series winner for the Cardinals."

by Bird Watcher on Jan 9, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions

they traded Aramis Ramirez in the division

a long with a few others to the cubs for a bag of peanuts

by wizardofskoolz on Jan 9, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions

Dave Littlefield

Wasnt he the GM at the time of the Aramis Ramirez trade? And isnt he the same one that they "relieved" of his duties? I dont see Neal Hunnington, I believe is his name, as doing the same type of deal. Give him time, he could prove me wrong on that, but I just dont see it.

by yer dog first on Jan 9, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions