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a look at ludwick

a few days ago i turned in my player blurbs for the Hardball Times Season Preview. here's what i wrote about ryan ludwick:

His line after 100 at-bats last year --- a .222 average with 2 walks and 26 strikeouts --- was little different from the lines in all his previous (failed) big-league trials. But after July 1 he stopped swinging at everything. The result: 24 walks in 236 plate appearances and a .289 / .380 / .520 line. That walk rate is consistent with his minor-league walk rates, which suggests that Ludwick's performance last year wasn't entirely a fluke. On the contrary, it may be that he finally got a large enough sample of at-bats to show his true level of ability.
the last sentence was informed by a comparison of ludwick's 2006 major-league equivalent (MLE) with his 2007 major-league stat line. i pro-rated the latter to 506 at-bats (his 2006 total) for ease of comparison:
AB  H 2B 3B HR BB AVG OBP SLG RC/27
2006 AAA 508 135 34  2 28 60 .266 .343 .506 6.39
2006 MLE 506 133 30  1 25 52 .263 .332 .477 5.76
2007 (pro-rated) 506 135 37  0 23 55 .267 .339 .479 5.94

the "bb" column includes hbps, by the way. ludwick put up the 2006 line at toledo, a difficult hitter's park. his slash lines there were nearly identical to his career minor-league totals (.270 / .349 / .501), so it was by no means a career year; on the contrary, it was a typical one. and we'd have to say the same about ludwick's 2007 season, because it was essentially a repeat of 2006 --- his 2007 big-league stats are almost identical to his 2006 MLEs.

a 2d-rounder who moved swiftly through the minors, ludwick was once a well-regarded prospect --- a centerfielder with 20-hr potential. but just as he was breaking into the majors he suffered injuries to his hip (2002) and knee (2004), which cost him opportunities and development time; the last two seasons were his first healthy ones since he was in double A. when the cardinals called him up last year, i was skeptical of ludwick because of a too-high strikeout rate --- even in the stellar 2006 season he whiffed in nearly 1/3 of his at-bats. ludwick doesn't draw enough walks to counteract a k rate that high; his career big-league on-base pct was hovering around .300 entering the 2007 season. but he fanned in fewer than 1/4 of his at-bats last year. ludwick will have to sustain that contact rate to maintain his beachhead in the big leagues.

ludwick also has a longstanding reverse platoon split. he has been far better vs rhp than lhp throughout his career, including the last couple of seasons:

vs rhp vs lhp
2007 .298 / .362 / .547 .221 / .307 / .377
2006 .266 / .348 / .524 .261 / .324 / .473
career .278 / .341 / .465 .211 / .286 / .418

between the k rate and the lousy performance vs lefties, ludwick is probably not ever going to be an all-star, but if he played 150 games i'd trust him to provide league-average corner-outfielder production. he's not quite reggie sanders, but he's better than juan encarnacion --- and a lot cheaper than both. the other day the red baron handicapped the competition for playing time in the cards' crowded outfield, and he had ankiel, rasmus, and barton emerging as the everyday players, with ludwick as an oft-used 4th outfielder. while i don't disagree with that assessment, i wouldn't count ludwick out of the running. he's got less upside than any of the other 3, but i also think he's got less downside than ankiel or barton; he's only a year older than ankiel and at least as reliable with the glove, and it seems as if he is adjusting to big-league pitchers rather than the other way around.

if nothing else, i'm glad to have ludwick around as insurance in case ankiel's a flash in the pan or barton's too green or rasmus needs some time to acclimate to the big leagues. he's not anybody to get too excited about, but he's definitely an asset --- an average hitter who can play his position and makes the league minimum.

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With Ludwick
mentioned as a former centerfielder,five of the six outfield candidates are possible there: Ankiel,Barton,Rasmus and Schumaker the others. The outfield defense, a sore point with me, should be much improved and should help the pitching. Duncan, of course, is the glaring exception, and I still feel he should be moved for pitching. I just hope they don't yo-yo Rasmus ala Reyes, destroying his confidence and his value. I'd just as soon see him start the year in AAA until we get a feel for the type of season 2008 will be. The remaining five guys are fine with me.

by vinniefromjersey on Jan 3, 2008 8:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perfect summary of how I feel about Lud
"if nothing else, i'm glad to have ludwick around as insurance "

by sdrone on Jan 3, 2008 8:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Against Lefties
Is it or just me does it seem like we are not going to be able to hit any kind of LHP this year? I was unaware of Ludwick's reverse platoon split on hitting against Lefties.

I wish we could squeeze Kevin Mench on this team.

by DimitroffVodka on Jan 3, 2008 8:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Career LH splits that aren't too bad
.265  .293  .340  .633 Izturis
.336  .438  .627 1.065 Pujols
.265  .337  .370  .707 Yadi (better then his RH split and last year he had a .288  .388  .423  .812)
.261  .333  .379  .712 Spiezio
.354  .407  .456  .863 Ryan (sample size)
.299  .338  .567  .905 Ankiel (sample size)
.346  .370  .692 1.062 Wainwright (sample size)

So assuming Rolen is healthy we have a lineup of:

Ryan 2B
Ankiel CF
Pujols 1B
Rolen 3B
Spiezio LF
Barton RF
Izturis SS
Yadi C
Wainwright P (bat you second leadoff hitter 9th not pitcher 8th ;))

by StLHugo on Jan 3, 2008 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hugo
Why dont you have Duncan in your lineup instead of Spiezio?

by Calhoun on Jan 3, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LH Splits
We were talking about LH splits and I was trying to present the best one possible.  Dunc's LH split for his career  .209/.275/.357 .632OPS is aweful and as such he and Ludwick ride the pine in my optimal lineup.  Now in reality I would play him to see if he can learn to hit them ever, but at some point you have to accept that he can't.

by StLHugo on Jan 3, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok
Yeah I think we should play Duncan against Lefties. He is the second best hitter on this team I think we need him to play everyday I don`t know about you though.. and it depends on how good Barton is(PLEASE BE GOOD........).

by Calhoun on Jan 3, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
I would start Dunc every day but the topic of hitting LHP was brought up so I created a decent lineup vs LHP and that wouldn't include Dunc.  But that doesn't mean I would use that lineup against every lefty and probably wouldn't use it against most.

by StLHugo on Jan 3, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mench & barton
hopefully barton is healthy.  he might be an option vs. lefties.  i'm also a fan of bringing on mench.  he should be pretty cheap and is a reliable lefty killer.

by dmb60614 on Jan 3, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ludwick is the new Taguchi for me
Lud is your defensive replacement that is great as a PH.

.314/.415/.600 1.015OPS in 41PA

And while he isn't "clutch" in the standard 2out RISP definition (.195BA) he does good in the "close and late" type games with a .318/.375/.636 1.011OPS line.

Taguchi last year was .406/.474/.500 .974OPS in 38PA as a PH and .286/.419/.429 .847OPS in those "close and late" situations.

If Ludwick can be that "oft used" 4th OF on a TLR team then we are a stronger team for it since he knows the role he has and wants to do it well.

by StLHugo on Jan 3, 2008 9:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Where is SleepyCA
with his bullish projections on Ludwick?
The only thing between me and you is a thin layer of gabardine...

by silent_bob on Jan 3, 2008 9:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

right here
I'm west coast, remember ;)  And Larry did (most of) my work for me today.  

by SleepyCA on Jan 3, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ludites here too
thanks lb, my rosey glasses saw a lot improvement with luddy in the second half last year.  while his hip and knee injuries may slow him a bit, i believe he can hit and play even better.  i hope he gets the chance this year.  he's not quite duncan with the bat, but overall i wonder if we would not be better off with luddy in left.

by sportsman on Jan 3, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wish we had a Ludwick in the middle infield
I think you're right on about Ludwick - lacks the upside or the downside of the other outfielders.  What concerns me about all our middle infielders is that they all have tremendous downside.

I know some folks around here are high on Ryan and Hoffpauir, and I know Kennedy could well rebound to something resembling league average.  Those scenarios are possible, and I hope they pan out.  But I can also see every one of them (+ Izturis) washing out, and I wish we had someone like a Ludwick waiting to absorb those at-bats.

Or what the hell, maybe Ludwick at second?  He's probably got at-least the range of Jeff Kent.

by bgodar on Jan 3, 2008 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually Ryan is the MIF Ludwick
Ryan's worst season was 2006 when he hit .265/.302/.308 .610OPS over 4 levels, after playing as high as AA the year before.  He also only hit .154/.185/.269 .454 in his limited AAA AB that season (extremely small sample size 4H/26AB).

His minor league career numbers are almost the same as his last season numbers as well.

.296/.344/.382  .726OPS Career MiL
.289/.347/.406  .753OPS 2007 ML

Ryan is what he is, and that is the MIF version of Ludwick without the crazy reverse split.

by StLHugo on Jan 3, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ludwick at second?
He'd have to learn to throw with his other arm.

by DizzyDean17 on Jan 3, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i like ryan
he covers a ton of ground in the outfield for a guy with his average speed and seems to handle the bat well
Come on 2009!

by benstl on Jan 3, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

2 points....
FWIW - I don't have links, but I distinctly remember 2 things about Ludwick.
  1. He wears number 47 (Mabry's old number) and made a link between himself and the former owner of his number - he sees himself as a 4th outfielder who contributes a good deal to the team and is very much ok with that position - TLR's response was that he should have higher goals than that.
  2. I believe it was Al or Rooney or Shannon who said it, but told the story that Ludwick was getting concerned that his BA wasn't as high as he'd like it, and our hitting coach told him to not worry about that stuff and just concentrate on driving the ball - i.e. they liked his pop and wanted as many extra base hits/home runs as possible.  They'd rather him hit .260 with more home runs than hit .280 with fewer.
I like Ludwick as a 4th outfielder/platoon guy.  He's a nice right handed bat to have.  I wish I had the links for the above... that's just what stuck in my mind about him last year.

by SmashedAtoms on Jan 3, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ditto
I remember both of those comments.  Ludwick is happy as a 4th OF, TLR doesn't want him to be happy with that because he wants Ludwick to try and win a starting spot since that means we have 4 starters not 3 starters and a 4th OF.

The other comment is vaguer but I do remember it.

by StLHugo on Jan 3, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

happy 2008 to all !
as to the first point, TLR said something like that about Schumaker, as mentioned by DG, but of course it could have been said of Ludwick too. sorry i don't knw how to hide the link: http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-bird-land/2007/09/postcards-return-look-to-2009/print/

«Schumaker has said for several seasons that he sees himself as a No. 4 outfielder, a So Taguchi type. Manager Tony La Russa has encouraged Schumaker not to pigeon-hole himself into a bench role. He should think bigger, La Russa said this past spring.»

"bury the dead, feed the survivors and rebuild the city" (marques do pombal, 1777)

by Johnny64 on Jan 3, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As frustrating as it has been
to see the Cardinals for the last couple years often dominated by average soft tossing left handers like Glendon Rusche and his kind, I have wondered if it would not be worthwhile to find a couple of old retired lefties to take on road trips just to throw batting practice. I know that when teams are on the road they are always at the park early and take long batting practices in the afternoons. (The home teams usually just take later and shorter batting practices.) Most teams just use right handed throwing coaches etc. and wouldn't it be beneficial if you knew you were going to face a lefthander in the game to have a lefthander throw batting practice. Just a thought.

by ridgesee on Jan 3, 2008 10:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Been brought up before
I have seen this brought up before, and I think TLR even commented that it doesn't really help that much (I can't understand why it wouldn't).  But I agree wholeheartedly, how hard would it be to find a lefty to toss BP?  I am sure we have a few minor leaguers that won't be going anywhere that could do it, why not try something like that.  It is one of the reasons I think McRae needs to go.

by StLHugo on Jan 3, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For whatever it's worth...
Al Hrabosky has thrown some BP in the past. Personally, I don't think it matters. It would matter if one used more "simulated games" as actual batting practice, rather than the "get your timing down" BP commonly used pre-game.
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jan 3, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same thoughts
as you, Goaler before I posted my comments, but if you are going to face a lefty in a game, would it be better to get your timing down against a left hander in regular BP or once or twice a week when on the road, bring out that old left hander and do a few innings of simulated game BP. Couldn't hurt.

by ridgesee on Jan 3, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BP
Now it really does not make a bit of difference if you see a LH or RH BP pitcher if you are taking traditional BP meaning you are facing a pitcher about 55 feet away throwing behind an L screen.  

Now if they did some live BP it may actually help but the problem is batters would not get a lot of cuts in vs a live pitcher.  The pitcher can only throw so many pitches in game type situations.  It is easy to throw about 200 BP pitches but it gets different when you need a pitcher to throw game style(live).  

It is probably hard to find someone to do that.

I played ball in college and that my take on the BP issue.

by ICbirdfan on Jan 3, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BP pitchers
Though most of us would love to try our arm at it........batting practice pitchers are not as easy to find - left or right - as you would think........given the requirements
  • you have to be able to do it....correctly and consistently
  • do it every day.....at odd times
  • for very little pay
  • respond to various hitters requests
  • travel constantly
  • your arm has to hold up
  • easy to get along with and not likely to disrupt the process or sue the team
If you can meet those requirements, a job is not hard to find

by Hinkster on Jan 3, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ludwick has had...
less than 300 career plate appearances against lefties. I'd bet if he played everyday for a season that split would largely disappear.
Who needs Antonetti? Give Luhniak a chance!

by guayzimi on Jan 3, 2008 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

minors
i believe he has shown the reverse split in the minors as well.  if true, that would make me think its something more permanent.  he is a little backwards anyway, batting right but throwing left.  generally its the other way around.

by dmb60614 on Jan 3, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reverse Platoon Splits
A reverse platoon split to that degree seems pretty strange.  Has anyone seen a study on this that tries to find the cause?  It seems like some adjustment might be able to fix this.

by rrvwmr on Jan 3, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't the article posted on What IF
larry's work?  Are we going to discuss that?
I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 3, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

White Sox
Interesting trade took place.

White Sox get Nick Swisher.  White Sox give up Gio Gonzalez #1 prospect, Fautino De Los Santos #2 prospect, and Ryan Sweeny #6 prospect.

I guess Swisher signed an extension thru 2011 and the Sox will be paying about $5 mill per year.

Seems like a good deal, depends on how you feel about trading prospects.  Probably good for the Sox since they don't overpay for Hunter or Rowand.

by ICbirdfan on Jan 3, 2008 2:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope Mo
is banging the drum for Joe Blanton.  I have a feeling he is going to be Brady Penny, part deux.
I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 3, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
I heard they figured that A's are really interested in trading Blanton and someone else?  the name has left my mind.  I guess the A's are really looking at getting the minors stock piled.  I guess they are getting a new stadium.

It would be nice to see what it would take to get Blanton.

by ICbirdfan on Jan 3, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huston Street
I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown

by Eckstreem on Jan 3, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to get him
but what are we going to give up, considering the Sox just decimated their system for Swisher?
The only thing between me and you is a thin layer of gabardine...

by silent_bob on Jan 3, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd give up our Top 2 pitching prospects
for Joe Blanton.

Of course, that's not saying much.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 3, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't.
Not even close.  
Punch. Drink. Cry.

by the red baron on Jan 3, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?
It's just the top two pitching prospects, not Rasmus, and what's in the minors on the pitching side isn't spectacular.  Besides, unlike position players, a pitcher in the hand is worth two prospects in the bush.  Remember: TINSTAAPP...

by StanTheManFan on Jan 3, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind
we've got Matt Clement now.  We've already got our solid #2.
I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 3, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mo needs to make a move
Not realy, but it would be nice to talk about a big move for the cards rather than other teams trades and back up outfielders.
Don't get me wrong love getting the trade news and I think Ludwick will be an above average bench player. Guess I will wait like everyone else but this ice cold stove league is giving me a chill. Maybe MO has a big log he will toss on the fire to warm all of us up this winter. Hope I don't lose a finger to frostbite first.

by That's a Winner on Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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