Molina extended 4 years
Mr. Dramatic Homer himself of today's discussion signed a 4-year deal with an option for a 5th per the P-D. No word on how much. I like Yadier, who doesn't enjoy seeing him pick off a napping player at 1st or gun out Jose Reyes at 2nd? But I do feel for Bryan Anderson, who's likely going to become the superior player. I do think Yadier is probably a better hitter then his career line suggests, and last season we got a taste of it. 4-5 years seems like we're nailing him in for his peak and just maybe the very beginning of his decline, him playing the hardest position on the field and all.
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by sportsman on Jan 21, 2008 1:47 PM EST 0 recs
Terms?
Re: Bryan Anderson - I remember a discussion about a possible position switch for him. Does his bat have enough potential for him to be an offensive asset elsewhere? Maybe 2b a la Biggio?
by airhad on Jan 21, 2008 1:49 PM EST 0 recs
anderson does not want to move
by erik on
Jan 21, 2008 1:57 PM EST
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Well...
by airhad on
Jan 21, 2008 2:02 PM EST
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yes, second to the line...
Yadi gives me fits, but I guess I am happy that it is settled rather than be an unresolved issue for discussion.
by the Tewk on
Jan 21, 2008 2:54 PM EST
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Hey.
by Red Blazer on
Jan 21, 2008 2:00 PM EST
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From the P-D article...
by cardsrul on
Jan 21, 2008 2:16 PM EST
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NTC?
by jjray on Jan 21, 2008 2:06 PM EST 0 recs
I really believe
by chuckb on Jan 21, 2008 2:10 PM EST 0 recs
Depends on when Anderson's ready...
But, if they don't expect Anderson to be ready for everyday MLB duty until after '09, I agree this looks to make Yadi much better trade bait. If we put him on the block after the '09 season, he'll be 27 and under contract for 2-3 years at what will surely be below market value. That sounds like a very valuable chip.
by bgodar on
Jan 21, 2008 5:27 PM EST
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meh
by maurerdj on Jan 21, 2008 2:14 PM EST 0 recs
terms
Molina gets a $250,000 signing bonus, $1.75 million this year, $3.25 million in 2009, $4.25 million in 2010 and $5.25 million in 2011. The deal includes a $7 million club option for 2012 with a $750,000 buyout, and the option increases to $7.5 million if he is traded.
by erik on Jan 21, 2008 2:17 PM EST 0 recs
That looks eerily similar...
I have to say I think this is a great deal for the Cards. If Yadi continues to play at the level he played last year offensively and defensively he is valuable as a keeper or as trade bait.
I'm still thinking he puts up a 285/340/400 line this year...
by cardzfanbub on
Jan 21, 2008 2:27 PM EST
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And I thought...
... to be cheap!! Yes it was me suggesting 4/15. But this contract is even better with the optional year, the price is reasonable and, if Yadi would keep a 285/330/400 line for the next two seasons, his value on the market would be great and I would trade him in a heartbeat, if Anderson is really ready to step in.
Nice job Mo, the patient hitter often get on base.
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on
Jan 21, 2008 4:17 PM EST
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answers the NTC question
by jjray on
Jan 21, 2008 2:58 PM EST
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I have been one of the nervous ones
by giveml on
Jan 21, 2008 9:05 PM EST
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I don't understand why anyone would see this as
by Red Blazer on Jan 21, 2008 2:25 PM EST 0 recs
sorry, but i have to disagree
by erik on
Jan 21, 2008 2:51 PM EST
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I hope Anderson proves me wrong
by Red Blazer on
Jan 21, 2008 4:25 PM EST
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salty obviously is a better prospect
but anderson should be able to stay at C and hit.
salt's upside is something like .290/.395/.530 while anderson is more like .300/.365/.420.
it's interesting that both fizzled in AA as the season went on, catchers can do that given it's a demanding job.
don't misunderstand me, i think molina is just tapping into his potential offensively. he's suffered some miserable luck for a guy who hits a decent share of line drives. i think yadi's upside offensively is more like what we saw last season.
there's nothing wrong with having both, i just would hate to see anderson stashed away, or reduced to a start or two a week. i do think both hold good trade value and could be part of a deal that snags us a SS, so it's a good problem to have.
by erik on
Jan 21, 2008 4:37 PM EST
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RE: The previous two posts
I think this guarantees a trade in the future of either Yadi or Anderson. This gives the FO some time to really think about which one they want to keep. Assuming TLR hangs up his whistle (or the managerial equivalent...note cards?) after '09, Yadi is tradeable after '09 if Anderson turns into the better overall player. If Anderson flames out, then the team has a solid catcher on board for another few seasons.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 21, 2008 2:26 PM EST 0 recs
Two good catchers
by That's a Winner on Jan 21, 2008 2:35 PM EST 0 recs
Good catchers are a rare
Given the heavy load of the position (not only do you have to "massage" the pitching staff, block balls, and throw out runners, you also take one helluva beating behind the plate...) I think having two guys to "share the load" is a reasonable option.
IMO, this move doesn't "block" Anderson at all; and you've locked in part of your new "core" through 2011.
Me, I'd like to see two legitimate MLB catchers on the roster; when Yadi gets dinged (almost inevitable given the position), then you're not stuck with getting (say) a Kelly Freakin' Stinnett out of retirement! (As for Jason LaRue bein' that guy in '08... meh, I doubt it, but who knows?)
by The Ol Goaler on Jan 21, 2008 2:37 PM EST 0 recs
i like the way you think
by erik on
Jan 21, 2008 2:49 PM EST
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2011?
Steve Hill or someone else should be ready by then, too, eh? Now if only we could get a productive pipeline at shortstop... and starting pitcher... then we'll really have a nice franchise to root for.
by liam on
Jan 21, 2008 7:22 PM EST
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"Then"
by liam on
Jan 21, 2008 7:23 PM EST
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I'm impressed with the dollars
by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2008 2:51 PM EST 0 recs
agreed
If it means you trade one of the guys for another good player--so be it. That's the goal--to turn minor league talent into major league talent.
by beanocook on
Jan 21, 2008 2:59 PM EST
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exactly what i was thinking...
by lynx on
Jan 21, 2008 3:00 PM EST
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Great deal
by easy on Jan 21, 2008 4:07 PM EST 0 recs
If he doesn't stay healthy in years 2
by Hardcore Legend on
Jan 21, 2008 4:31 PM EST
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I dunno...
His brother Bengie is making about $5 million a year, and that was completely as a free agent.
by DiscoJer on
Jan 21, 2008 6:11 PM EST
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How about this...
by Red Blazer on Jan 21, 2008 4:28 PM EST 0 recs
Not Biggio
Let's not get too excited about Anderson yet...I believe he slugged under .400 at AA last year, didn't he?
by Elvis on Jan 21, 2008 6:16 PM EST 0 recs
EB smack?
by cardschinmusic on
Jan 22, 2008 7:07 AM EST
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I am not saying he starts at 2B but that he plays
by Red Blazer on Jan 21, 2008 6:20 PM EST 0 recs
Likely to Become the Superior Player - Please
How about Anderson play a few games in AAA or maybe even in the Show before we crown him as Johnny Bench.
Yadi is a game-changer. He fundamentally alters the approach of the opponents we play.
Kudos to the Cards for recognizing this. And if Anderson proves out, even better for us.
by The Duke on Jan 21, 2008 7:41 PM EST 0 recs
I agree
by aet15 on
Jan 21, 2008 9:14 PM EST
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Over the top...
Yadi's a good defensive player, and has the best arm for a catcher I've ever seen...but when your career OPS+ is 69 you are not an elite player.
What "amazes me" is the group who thinks he is some sort of cornerstone/franchise type player. Or "one of the best cathers in either league".
IF Anderson develops defensively and gains a little pop then Molina's contract makes him even more tradeable. If not, then you know you have a guy that the manager likes that can really play defense.
I like the signing, but Yadi is, at his best, a slightly above average overall player.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jan 22, 2008 1:14 AM EST
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one of the best cathers in either league
by stl3bagger on
Jan 22, 2008 2:39 PM EST
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From someone who hated giving Mo the job....
by bobbyballgame1 on Jan 21, 2008 8:18 PM EST 0 recs
Great move
As far as Anderson goes, I'm going to take the wait and see approach. I understand he's hitting the hell out of the ball at a young age, but he'll never be Molina's caliber defensively.
by qwikimport on Jan 21, 2008 11:47 PM EST 0 recs
Mo
Mo`s grade just went up in my book!!!!!
by Calhoun on Jan 22, 2008 12:48 AM EST 0 recs











