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Dear Mr. and Mrs. Mozeliak...

Enclosed you will find Johnny's grades for the first term.  I've thoroughly enjoyed having him and look forward to seeing him back in the new term.  Looking over his marks, I hope you will get an idea of where Johnny is in his development.  I hope that you will take this opportunity to discuss with him the areas he needs to improve in, all the while remembering to be supportive and encouraging in recognising his achievements.  Remember, the greatest gains come only when we all work together to provide the proper framework for success.  

If you have any questions, I encourage you to feel free to contact me at any time.  I consider the alliance between pupil, parents, and instructor to be a true partnership, and I would welcome your input or any concerns you may have.  Until next we speak, I remain,

                                 Sincerely yours,
                                 Dr. Theodore E. "Red" Baron

Star-divide

With the completion of the Scott Rolen deal, I think the Cardinals are pretty close to finished for the offseason.  We know, as per published reports, that they remain in the market for a swing man, preferably of the sinister variety.  However, given the relatively slight nature of any such deal, I feel pretty comfortable in looking at this offseason as a fairly done deal.  As such, I think it's appropriate at this time to look back at the Cardinals' first offseason under the stewardship of John Mozeliak, and see how it all looks so far.  Obviously, the product we see on the field will trump any analysis I, or anyone else, can come up with at the moment. However, snap judgements on things that we won't really be able to evaluate for several more months is, quite possibly, the best thing about sports in general.  So, without further ado, Ladies and Gentlemen, let's get to it.  

First off, a quick word about the Rolen deal.  In yesterday's post, Lboros refers to the framework of a deal with the Dodgers, in which Los Angeles was willing to part with Andy LaRoche for Scott Rolen only under if the Cards were willing to take on the Dodgers current albatross, Juan Pierre.  I've thought about this, considered it from most angles I can think of, and I think I would have been sorely tempted to do such a deal.  Not because I think having Juan Pierre in any way improves your team, but simply because I believe you could have then flipped him to another team.  I know, it's a terrible contract, and if the Cardinals and Dodgers neither one really wanted it on the books, why would some other club be willing to take it on?  Ah, therein lies the rub.  I think the Cardinals could have taken on that contract, then turned around and traded it, paying down the annual cost to the point that it became more palatable.  I think that 3mil. per year, or 12 mil. dollars total, would have brought the deal into range to be at least somewhat acceptable.  The Cardinals were going to be paying Scott Rolen $12 million this season.  Take that salary and send it along to whatever team you move Pierre to.  At that point, you're only paying LaRoche's league minimum salary over what was already a sunk cost.  You then have the younger, potential cornerstone type player you needed, another mid level prospect you get back for moving Pierre and the cash, and the same salary on the books for 2008 that you already had tied up in your current third basemen.  Maybe I'm completely off base, but I think that's a deal that would have worked out in the long run.  

Alright, on to reality.  We'll examine the moves that have actually been made this winter, and attempt to come to a consensus.  

Organisational stability and direction

Overall Grade: A  

When Mozeliak took over as General Manager, he inherited as bad a situation as one could imagine.  Jocketty had been handed his walking papers due to a rift in the front office between his own factions and that of the Cards' minor league guru, Jeff Luhnow.  Following all of that, several of the Cardinals' other GM candidates had pulled out of the running, largely due to what was perceived as a less than desirable situation.  Ownership had already brought back Tony LaRussa, whose shadow was likely to fall heavily on whoever took over in the front office, and the chain of command, specifically in regards to Luhnow's situation, was ill defined.  

Mozeliak was handed the General Manager position in the midst of that strife.  At the time, he was seen as the Cards' second or even third choice, and many were predicting that there was no way he could be successful.  His first move, once in office, was to begin bridging the organisational gaps that so confounded his predecessor.  So far, according to most published reports at least, he's been far more successful than most predicted.  He proved, even during Jocketty's tenure, that he was able to work with the player development/drafting arm of the organisation, and so far, he looks to have done a good job of bringing the front office together.  I feel comfortable giving him a solid 'A' here.  

Organisational Hiring

Overall Grade:  B+  

Mozeliak has brought in several new members of the on field staff, as well as moving a couple of holdovers around.  

John Abbamondi, asst. GM
Abbamondi, most recently of the home office of MLB, is a specialist in arbitration cases.  He brings an area of expertise the Cards will rely on heavily in coming years, given their new emphasis on youth.  I think he's a solid hire.  

Gary LaRocque, senior special assistant
Mr. LaRocque came from the Metropolitan organisation.  He will be handling the professional scouting department of the team.  I like this move, but he seems to have had more success when he was in amateur scouting. (Reyes, Wright, Lastings Milledge, Aaron Heillman, Scott Kazmir, and several others were brought in on his watch.)  I think he may be miscast.  

Brent Strom, pitching coordinator(?)  
Honestly, I'm still a little iffy on how this one works.  Dyar Miller, the former pitching coach at Memphis, and Mr. Strom, are apparently sharing the title of minor league Pitching Coordinator.  As near as I've been able to determine, from interviews and the like, the organisation wants to delegate the responsibilities of the position to two people, rather than relying on just one.  I believe Strom is going to be the top authority on the mechanical side of pitching.  If so, I think he's a great hire.  Strom has been the pitching coach at the major league level for the Houston Astros and the Royals, and minor league pitching coordinator for the Expos franchise.  More importantly, the man really knows what he's talking about when it comes to mechanics and conditioning for pitchers.  You can read one of his essays, on long tossing, here.  Again, I'm not totally certain on what the division of responsibilities is going to be, but I love what Mr. Strom brings to the table.  

Jaron Madison, assistant scouting director
Mr. Madison came from the Padres organisation.  I honestly know very little about him, so I can't say too much one way or the other.  I would appreciate some help from anyone who knows more about him.  

Michael Girsch, director of baseball development
This is an internal promotion.  Girsch has worked in the analytical wing of Luhnow's department for the last few years.  Again, I don't know a whole lot about him, but the department he's been part of has had some nice success.  I don't have enough info to make a real solid judgement on this one either.  

On Field moves

Here we are.  Now we come to the meat.  I'll grade most of these moves individually, as they're a little more cut and dried.  

Resigning Joel Pineiro     Grade: C
This move was made while Mo was still the interim GM.  Pineiro had put up a nice line with the Cards in half of the 2007 season, and word was that Duncan loved working with him, wanted him back, etc.  Personally, I wasn't all that impressed with the decision to bring Joel back, but if the on field staff really believes in him, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.  Plus, at only two years on the deal, it won't cripple the club long term, so it's not terrible.  

Picking up Jason Isringhausen's option     Grade: B-
Izzy, after struggling with health issues and effectiveness in 2006, pitched very well in 2007.  The Cards don't have any slam dunk candidates to step into the closer role as of yet, Izzy appears to be in position to succeed going forward, the manager may have mutinied without an established closer, and he's appreciated by the fans.  Still, this move begs the question: what .500 (or worse) team really needs an $8 million closer?  I think this was probably the proper move, but I can't give it an unequivocal thumbs up.  

Declining to offer David Eckstein arbitration/ signing Cesar Izturis  Grade: D  
I'm putting these two together.  The Cards declined to offer salary arbitration to their outbound shortstop, David Eckstein.  He was a Type B free agent, meaning he would have netted the team a sandwich round pick if he signed elsewhere.  At the arbitration deadline, he was still considering offers from several other teams, and I think he would have declined the offer to test the market further.  Even so, if he had accepted, the team would have had him, declining skills and all, for one year, at a fairly reasonable rate.  Instead of offering him a deal, the Cardinals signed Cesar Izturis to be their starting shortstop for 2008.  This move cost them $3 million, whereas Eckstein likely would have cost them in the neighborhood of $5 million or so.  The problem with this tandem is that the Cardinals, rather than risking being stuck with a declining player, signed a markedly worse player for a nominal savings.  If the organisation was really that desperate to save money and avoid committing to a player, they have minor leaguers who could have replicated the best that we can expect out of Izturis for even less.  Otherwise, taking the chance on Eckstein accepting would have been a far better proposition, considering the potential draft payoff.  Bad move.  

Trading Jim Edmonds for David Freese           Grade: B+
As much as I hated this move at first, I've really come around on it.  The Cards had a severe outfield crunch, particularly once you add in the prospect of Colby Rasmus getting a shot in Spring Training.  With Edmonds on the team, there would be almost no chance of Colby seeing the team any time soon.  Even though I think it would probably be better if Rasmus at least started out in AAA, opening up space in the outfield was probably one of the more important things the team could have accomplished this offseason.  Personally, I don't see David Freese having much of an impact one way or the other, but just freeing up the roster space, and the salary, make this a good move, no matter how much it pains me to say it.

Signing Matt Clement     Grade: A-  
I really like this move.  The Cardinals brought in one of the highest upside, one year contract pitchers on the market.  True, I would have liked to see them kick the tires on Mark Prior, but there appears to be more reason to believe that Prior is done than there is for Clement.  It's only one year, he's actually costing quite a bit less than what Kip Wells did last year, and he's had plenty of time to rehab from his surgery.  The payoff could be very good, and it's not much of a risk.  Nice move here.  

Signing Jason LaRue     Grade: C
He's a backup catcher.  I can't imagine a less important move.  That being said, LaRue has been brutal the last couple of years.  He offers more upside than Sno Cones, so it's not a bad move.  Really not a whole lot on either side of the ledger.  

Letting Aaron Miles go, then resigning him     Grade: D-  
It was a good idea to release him.  Bringing him back doesn't really serve any purpose that I can see.  I don't have any thing else to say.  

Releasing So Taguchi     Grade: A
It's tough to let a fan favourite, (not to mention a Tony favourite) walk away.  Credit to Mozeliak for recognising it was the right move to make.  

Trading Scott Rolen for Troy Glaus     Grade: B+
This is the big one.  Under the circumstances, Mozeliak did as well as one can possibly expect him to have done.  He eliminated a year off of a contract, improved the offense, and saved some money.  Hopefully, Rolen will do well in Toronto, and the Blue Jays will come out looking fine in this deal as well.  I think moving Rolen as successfully as he did brings Mo's offseason average way up.  As I said above, I might have been even happier with a slightly different move, but this is really solid, given the situation.  

Roster Management    

Players Added to 40 man roster:  
Jason Motte
Mark Worrell
Kyle McLellan
Jarret Hoffpauir
Mike Parisi

Removed:  
Andy Cavazos
Brian Falkenborg  

Overall Grade: A  

I think all of these moves were good ones.  All the players added should have a chance to contribute at least something to the team, if necessary, in 2008.  The two players removed were both middle relievers, both with lower upsides than the players added.  I like all of these.  

Adding Brian Barton via Rule V     Grade: A
Barton was, quite possibly, the highest ceiling player in the Rule 5 draft this year.  Due to health concerns about his knees, he dropped down to where the Cardinals were picking.  They took the chance on him, and it was a great risk, in my opinion.  Barton has a good chance, I think, to stick on the roster; he even has a chance to become a starter.  All for $50k and a roster spot.  Great move.  

Picking only one player in the Rule 5 draft     Grade: D  
Specifically, I think there was one move that should have been made here that wasn't.  Leyson Septimo, a left handed pitcher, was still available when the Cards picked in the second round.  Septimo is a converted outfielder who can occasionally hit triple digits with his fastball.  I don't know anything else about him, but Kelvin Jimenez is still on the roster.  I think Septimo's upside has to be worth not seeing Jimenez pitch another year in red.  It's not a huge thing, but I think it's an opportunity missed, and the Cards can't afford to miss many, regardless of how small.  

Final Grade for John Mozeliak as GM of the Cardinals:  B  

I'm giving Mo a solid B for his work so far.  I could cop out and give him an incomplete, seeing as how he's only been on the job for a few months, but I prefer to be bold and wrong than timid.  

I really like what he's done restructuring the front office, and trying to repair the rifts from the previous administration.  He's brought in some solid baseball people, and I think that everyone is finally on the same page going forward.  

I'm cautiously optimistic about most of the major league level player moves Mozeliak has made so far.  The job he did moving Rolen, in a terrible situation, makes pretty throws a shadow over anything else he's done in the offseason.  That being said, I think the Miles situation is a black mark, and I don't think the Eckstein arb./Izturis signing was handled very well.  For the money spent, the organisation could have gotten a better return, at least in terms of the future.  Some of the other, truly marginal moves don't make much of a difference one way or the other.  The Pineiro signing really will need to be revisited; the Izzy option is probably worth it.  A first time GM could have done much worse, with pressure from fans, manager, and owner pressing in on all sides.  

I like the construction of the Cards' 40 man roster as it stands now; outside of a few obvious exceptions.  

Given all of the pressures that came with the job Mozeliak was inheriting, I think he's done a solid job so far.  He appears to have a definite idea of where he wants the team to go, and hasn't made any significant moves that negatively impact it long term.  He's still saddled with a bit of a lodestone in his on field manager and the long shadow he casts, but Mo has mostly been his own man so far.  

The Cardinals may not have gotten their first choice, but I think they ended up with a very good choice in the end anyhow.  

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Jim Edmonds for David Freese?
Gotta be worth a mention and evaluation, yes?

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Jan 16, 2008 10:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dan,
I'm CONTENT with the move (meaning I've made my peace with it.).  How the outfield settles in becomes the real determining factor.

Let's weigh a final year of a fan favorite in a wasted season versus the potential of developing our CF of the future in a wasted season.

And if Edmonds has a gasp left in him, then my brother in Escondido can see him play another great year or two for the Pads.

I'm not sure that Freese enters the equation for me so much as the money and opportunity cost of the move.

In that regard, and the fact that he had to do it against the wishes of the casual fan and the media, I'll give the move a

B

by tinstl on Jan 16, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ted
I'm with you on the grade - solid B.  You know I didn't like seeing Jimmy go, but it comes down to how the remaining outfield performs and what the Birds do with the $6M savings:

1 - $1M for Matt Clement - good
2 - $1M for Aaron Miles - bleh

That leaves $4M, hopefully not spent on Juan Gonzalez.

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Jan 17, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shoot.
I actually had that in there.  I think I lost it accidentally, while I was cutting and pasting.  Hang on, let me fix it.  
You little punks think you own this town.

by the red baron on Jan 16, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There.
Fixed it.  Sorry about that, everybody.  
You little punks think you own this town.

by the red baron on Jan 16, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The intro to the report card
Made laugh out loud and the hot coffee I was drinkin' come shootin' out my nose.  My nose burns but it is a small price to pay.

by gonzostl on Jan 16, 2008 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

excellent
good job professor baron.  i give you an A.  it will be interesting to hear other opinions, but for me i'll appeal only one grade.  the piniero signing, i believe, merits a B.  looking at what others have been getting, i think an early strike here was a better than average idea and at a cost that is passable.  the other grades seem reasonable to me, and i especially hope the front office and on field management hires were the right ones.  its hard for someone on a 3-year contract to take the time to really worry about the long term hires, but these will influence so much of the transition to home grown vs deadline deal approach to team development, i see them as really critical to those of us who will likely be blogging long after piniero et al are gone.
i also note that you skipped over the springer and franklin signings.  i still object to the springer signing and give it a low grade, franklin is pretty neutral.  a lot of this depends on what happens before the trade deadline.  if izzy is moved and franklin and/or springer end up stepping into the closer role, then their contracts look a little better.  only time will tell if johnny mo learned enough in calc-1 to do well in calc-2.

by sportsman on Jan 16, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Franklin, Springer
The Franklin extension was completed under Jocketty's watch, during the summer.  

The Springer signing I initially meant to include along with the Pineiro deal.  Then, I decided to put it separately, and then, I sort of forgot about it.  My bad.  

I give it a C.  It's probably too much money, and I think Springer is due to fall of next season.  Unfortunately, this was another of the deals that got done while Mo was still 'interim' GM, so it's a little tougher to evaluate, in my opinion.  Even if Springer regresses a bit, he's still a solid presence down in the bullpen, and there were some other issues involved, so I can't really muster up a whole lot of outrage.  

You little punks think you own this town.

by the red baron on Jan 16, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Springer = B+
Scott Linebrink got $19M over 4 years, right?

by Hungry Jack on Jan 16, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

D'angelo Jimenez/Josh Phelps?
Are they worth mentioning as well?

by airhad on Jan 16, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As I mentioned a few days ago.....
This team sure has some strange fascination with signing ex Pittsburgh Pirates it seems.  Maybe it's me but it seems like we have signed about6 ex pirates?

by Pujols for MVP on Jan 16, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've always liked
D'Angelo's game.  My understanding is that he was not the best clubhouse guy in Cincinnati, which led to his departure from the organization.  With that background, I was surprised the Cardinals signed him, but I think from a purely talent standpoint, he's the best 2nd baseman the Cards have under contact.  Whether he'll play in the majors remains to be seen.

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Jan 16, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Phelps/ Jimenez
I don't expect Josh Phelps to see the majors this year unless something goes seriously wrong, and Jimenez has been pushed almost completely off the depth chart by the return of Aaron Miles.  As such, I don't see either move as having much, if any impact, and thus felt okay about ignoring them.  

Seriously, this thing wasn't long enough?  
(please, somebody say it, so I don't have to.)  

You little punks think you own this town.

by the red baron on Jan 16, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it was too long
In fact, I very much enjoyed reading the entire thing.  LOVED the report card cover letter conceit.

An A+ for your article, sir!

I would have given Mo a B- rather than a solid B, but that's probably only because I would weight a few of the on field moves more heavily than things like organizational changes.  Specifically the Miles debacle and the Eckstein/Izturis blundering.  But overall I agree with nearly every one of your assessments.  Nice work, both of you.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 16, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Izzy
The option had to be picked if for no other reason than to trade him in July.

by JeffD on Jan 16, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trade
Even if Izzy refuses to waive his no-trade, another season like last year should make him a Type A free agent after this year, hello two draft picks.

by mikedallas23 on Jan 16, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeahbut
They'd have to first offer him arbitration and he'd have to turn it down.  I don't think they'll chance paying him $10MM next year--unless Chris Perez stalls and the team makes a move to load up for a run in '09.

OR, another team would have to sign him before the arby deadline.  That's possible.  But look at the closers who enter FA after '08:

Nathan
Rivera
Hoffman
Gordon
Lidge
Gagne

Has there ever been a group of brand name closers like that on the market at the same time?  It all depends on his performance and health, but that glut of closers should make the process go slower.

youneverknow

by meat on Jan 16, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no risk, imo
i dont see it as a bad thing if he accepts and we pay him $10MM for one season.  thats the going rate for a decent closer.  i think its a pretty small chance he accepts anyway.  rivera has already re-signed with the yankees.  tom gordon is no longer considered closer material.  hoffman is 40 and may very well retire.  gagne and lidge each have their issues.

by dmb60614 on Jan 16, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's much danger...
in offering Izzy arbitration if he is still around next fall.  

Gordon, Lidge, Gagne aren't currently in the class of Izzy...Gordon never was.

Rivera reupped for three years with the Yanks, so he's off the list.  That leaves Hoffman and Nathan.  

Hoffman will be 41 in October, he's still a solid closer...but will be a year at a time guy.  Nathan is elite, and is Izzy's only real competition out of this bunch.

Of course your list didn't include K-Rod and he is in the same class as Nathan.  Considering the Reds just handed Corder 4/$46 mil, I don't see Izzy having any trouble getting 3/$30 mil; unless he bombs this year...in which case he probably won't be a type A free agent.

Thanks for the highlight moments 15 and 27!!!

by cardzfanbub on Jan 16, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Izzy signing needs a higher grade for two reasons:
  1. Trading Izzy near the deadline will bring us some young talent and Perez can slide into the role for the final few months.
  2. We will not be winning games by more than a couple runs. Somebody reliable needs to finish off games for our sub-.500 team

by pedro on Jan 16, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding point #2
Washington has averaged only 75 wins a year for the past three years and Chad Cordero has saved 38 games per season for them.  Maybe it'll be better for Izzy's numbers to play with this team.  He's only averaged 34 saves per year in his 6 seasons with the Redbirds.

stlfan

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Add in
taking over with virtually no (expendable) tradeable commodities, a nearly maxed out payroll space with a significant chunk committed to injury question marks or definite impending 60 day DLers, and a free agent market described by one GM as "A good year not to have money to spend."

Mo couldn't completely fix the team this offseason, but he could have made the rebuild longer, more expensive, and more painful by making bad moves (say, like the Astros).

He has modestly improved the 2008 team and in the process trimmed some payroll and made the team marginally more youthful.  More importantly hasn't hamstrung the future.  

The middle infield looks pretty muddled and mediocre and the starting rotation is only moderately more plausible than last year's version at this time, but the answers Mo has come up with for these problems certainly aren't that much worse than the other options that were available.  Perhaps had Mo known he'd be able to deal Edmonds and Rolen without (effectively) eating any salary, he might have gambled on Eckstein's qualification?

by vances law on Jan 16, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lboros
Did I read that right yesterday, you have Jeff Luhnows E-mail address?
Come on man, you've got to give that up.

Post it right here>>>>>>>

I've got to tell him about this player I saw last week in small town in Northern Mexico. He is best I've ever seen!!! Clocked his fastball at 108MPH and he hits like Albert!!!!

Sorry no sabermetrics on him, it's a real small town and his team stinks. They only have 8 players, 2 of them are women, and they had a goat playing third base.

But I'm telling you this guy is KING KONG!!!!!!

by That's a Winner on Jan 16, 2008 11:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

damn!!!
now THAT made me spit hot coffee out of my nose!!!!

by tbell61 on Jan 16, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

An overall B
is certainly fair. I would lean more toward a C, but you're right in pointing out that Mo's work mending the rifts in the front office itself is priceless in many ways, and that is stuff we really don't have an inside view to observe firsthand. A harmonius front office might be his greatest accomplishment this first year, but it's something that may not be obvious to most fans. Anyway, I was pretty solid about my C assessment, but you have persuaded me that a B is appropriate. Nice work, RB.

by rockin redbird on Jan 16, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this!
I would have given a C- before the Rolen trade, then upgraded to a C+ after, but I am convinced, seeing the body or work before me that he has accomplished quite a bit in a short period of time...as a fan, I am willing to give Mo some time to turn this thing around...as long as he has a master plan, that's what I care most about.

by tbell61 on Jan 16, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ORGANIZATION
Who knew that many people live in Puerto Rico?

by Yadi4MVP on Jan 16, 2008 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Spelling
I know this is dumb, but your spelling of organiZation as organiSation is driving me nuts.

by FreddyBurroughs on Jan 16, 2008 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm in no way trying to pick a fight...
...but if Larry chooses to type in all lowercase, and everyone accepts it, shouldn't Red be allowed to spell his words the British way without issue?  It only seems fair...

Just my 2 pence... er... cents, rather.  :-)

by SmashedAtoms on Jan 16, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent list
For the most part, I agree with your decisions (may have given a plus or minus here or there, but what you said in the paragraph below was pretty much what I was thinking). But with that said, I would like to give Mo a C- for his Springer re-signing (that was Mo, right? It was so long ago!). They paid him way too much and signed him way too early. That's why it felt like such a slap in the face when they traded Edmonds away. Yes . ..  you're saving $7 mil, but you also could've saved $7 mil by not signing Izturis and waving less money at Springer.

I wonder if Mo forgot that Springer basically only wanted to play in St. Louis, because the money they're paying him is like there was a huge bidding war after him . . . and I'm pretty sure there wasn't.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jan 16, 2008 1:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Totally missed the mark with this grade
I think this team is less well positioned to be competitive next year than when Mo took over (players signed + resources available) and probably in a worse position for 2009 as well.   There is no way given those two facts that Mo gets an above average grade.

by cariocacardinal on Jan 16, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah,
I was actually going to comment on that too, but forgot. I agree with each of the individual assessments, but I feel like his grade as a whole would be in the C+/C territory. Not awful, but just average.
On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jan 16, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?
So...we'd be looking for two starting pitchers right now, probably have Eckstein on the books at 5 million for next year, Taguchi back in a Cardinal uniform, a huge rift in the front office between GM and scouting, and an unhappy, oft-injured former superstar third-baseman who can't hit or get along with his coach.  And you think that team would be MORE competitive than the one we currently are going to put on the field in 2008?

Give me an example of moves that Mo could have made to make this team more competitive while keeping in mind two things:

  1. The strategy is long term so the team needs to get younger.
  2. You have a payroll max over the next 3 seasons of around $115 million per season.
I'd just love to see how you would have handled things differently.
"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 16, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I second...
fourstick's opinion below.  This team was in a very precarious situation when Mozeliak took over, and I think overall he's done a good job sorting it all out.  Think of it: the Cardinals now have a rotation of warm bodies that can actually be considered pitchers(which they didn't have going into 07), they have a pretty reliable new 3rd baseman who can actually protect Pujols AND got a rather serious distraction out of the clubhouse in one stroke, and they have created opportunities for their younger outfielders.  The middle infield situation is a bit bizarre, and seems to be a bit of a throw-enough-shit scenario, but overall I think Mo has done an admirable job accomplishing the twin goals of respectability in 08 and competitiveness in 09.  

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn
I meant above...not below.  Crap.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with fourstick also
the things I would emphasize are these:
-- I loved Scotty and was strongly ambivalent re Jimbo... but it was a good time for both to go.
-- if Clement returns to form, what a plus!!  I was a strong Weaver supporter when we got HIM, and I feel similarly about Clement, if not better.
-- a hunch only, I think LaRue is undervalued by most on here.  Injuries, yes; down years lately, yes.  But I know this guy well; he eats scorpions sprinkled over rusty nails for breakfast
-- Kip Wells is gone.

The stand-out two on the other side of the sheet, for me, is that LaRussa was retained, and Adam Kennedy has not yet been shown the door.

by the Tewk on Jan 16, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Frustrating
The Cards had a severe outfield crunch, particularly once you add in the prospect of Colby Rasmus getting a shot in Spring Training.

This is a problem entirely of the Cardinals own making. They took a small but necessary step to correct it by moving Edmonds but this is a situation that has come about because of keeping around players like So Taguchi/Skip Schumaker and pretending that Scott Spiezio can play the outfield. Players that have no tangible current value and no future upside. Trading Duncan to someone like the Twins for say Brian Duensing would have been the right move to make this offseason.

Now the Cardinals have put themselves in a bad position by not leveraging a surplus.  They have Chris Duncan, Rick Ankiel, Skip Schumaker, Colby Rasmus, Joe Mather and Brian Barton that could all do with playing time at the major league level at some point this season.  Add in players like Nick Stavinoha and Cody Haerther who are just a little more removed and I'm continually baffled why all of these players remain within the system.

by azruavatar on Jan 16, 2008 1:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...
...but given the prices that are being demanded on the trade market for starting pitching and a young SS (assuming that these are considered the primary needs), we would have to have packaged one of the outfielders with something other than an outfielder to procure that piece.  Do we any organizational depth to provide something other than an outfielder to anyone?  Relievers I guess, but it doesn't really appear to me that the value of any one of the surplus outfielders or relivers are rapidly diminishing so that we have to accept a trade at this time just to relieve the glut of players available.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 16, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree
But the fact is that Duncan isn't going to be traded anytime soon.  Right or wrong (mostly just wrong), that's just the way it is.    

I had kind of a related question for you, since you brought this subject up.  People on this board (myself included) view Ludwick as at least a serviceable, and at best complete, replacement of Duncan's production.  I can't help but wonder if Ludwick might be a useful trade tool to a team that really takes the time to look at his profile.  Maybe he wouldn't get the name-value of Duncan, but maybe a smarter team like the A's or the Indians might not care, and might view Ludwick the same way I do.  

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I luv Luddy
I think he has more upside than anyone else I can think of... and the greatest potential for becoming the surprise impact Cardinal for '08 (with the possible exception of Clement, assuming HE is healthy).

by the Tewk on Jan 16, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that duncan
will be worth a lot more after he puts up a full .900+ OPS season.  We might be able to trade him for a lot more at the deadline or next off season.
the bums will always lose...

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
i've said it before and i'll say it again, we value duncan a lot more than the rest of the league does.  i think that's because our offense wass so terrible that we desperately needed him last year.  

think about how many 20+ HR lst/DH players there are out there?  that's basically what duncan is.  

how times have you even heard duncan's name in trade talks?  the only time i heard it was to the pirates with the bounty being jack wilson.

by FutureMan on Jan 16, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

except that duncan has much more
than 20HR potential.  Juan Encarnacion was a "20HR potential" player.  Chris Duncan has "40HR+ potential" with a high likelihood of 30+ in a full season.

He hit 22 HR in 314 healthy PA's in 2006- adjusted to 162 games, that is 39 HR in 565 PA's, which basically reflects the fact that he'd be platooned.  He was on a very similar pace in 2007 until he got hurt; through 1 Aug he had 20 HR in 328 PA, or 39 HR in 650 PA.  

the bums will always lose...

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

40HR
in front of pujols and only facing RHP.  20-25 hitting behind him.

by FutureMan on Jan 16, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a myth
that batting in front of pujols helps players perform better.  In fact, I would estimate that is the hardest place in our lineup- because no pitcher wants to face pujols with a man on first.  They'll see nothing but hard to hit strikes, because every pitch will come with the knowledge that a solo HR by albert is 1 run and a HR with a guy they walked is 2.  Duncan's ability to work pitchers and take walks batting in front of pujols was the most remarkable facet of his '06/'07 performance imho.

Duncan's '07 performance, in particular, was significantly hurt by batting in the #2 hole.  In '06 he pretty much only batted in the 2nd spot in the order, but in '04 his OPS in the 2nd lineup position was over 100 points less than his OPS in the cleanup spot.  Using B-r's prediction tool, he'd have hit 44 HR's in 648 PA's in '07 in the cleanup position, vs 31 in the 2 position.

the bums will always lose...

by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2008 3:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

e#$%$#%$#%$
"but in '07", not "but in '04".  Though adding a healthy '07 duncan to our '04 lineup would have been fun to watch, though I don't know where we'd have put him...  Also I should have mentioned that in the 2nd position he'd have had 675 PA's instead of 648 and still only hit 31 HR's.

Oh for an edit button ;)

the bums will always lose...

by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2008 3:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why ignore the ease of improving on an awful 2007?
Those predicting a worse record for the Cardinals in 2008 than in 2007 must not be paying attention.  This year's team should be better on offense and starting pitching and as good as last year in defense and relief pitching.

This year's rotation follows the worst starting rotation in franchise history.  So the bar for making improvements isn't exactly difficult to reach.  Consider this year's starters, by May 2008 when Mulder is expected to be on board:

Wainwright
Clement
Pineiro
Mulder
Looper

First, the Cardinal rotation should be noticeably improved in 2008 just by replacing the 33 starts by Wells and Maroth with starts by Clement and by replacing the 20 starts by Anthony Reyes in 2007 with starts by Pineiro.  The 5.70 ERA by Wells in 26 starts and the 10.66 ERA by Maroth in 7 starts, taken together, yielded an ERA of 6.66.  (I know, AZ, ERA isn't the best index for performance.  I agree.  But I don't have time to look up ERA+ or go into the key fielding-independent peripherals of K/9, BB/9, and HR/9. Please feel free to update this analysis with those figures if you care to.)  Clement could easily beat that 6.66 ERA mark by two full points, at least, even if the reportedly healthy Clement has an "off" year, as he did in his last full season before his injury, 2005, when his ERA was 4.57 (just over his career ERA of 4.47).  The result is likely that Clement's performance, compared with Wells and Maroth, will subtract about 47 runs from the ER allowed by the rotation.  That's close to half of the Cardinals' 104 negative run differential last year.

Likewise, Pineiro is a very good bet to be an improvement over the 2007 version of Reyes, even if Joel's ERA this year is 5.71, his ERA as a starter over the last three years.  Even that would subtract about 8 runs from the total allowed by the starting rotation.  I predict that Pineiro's ERA will be much closer to his career ERA of 4.47 and his overall ERA last year of 4.33, considering that Pineiro ended up with an ERA for the Cardinals last year of 3.96 in 11 starts, after Dave Duncan detected that Pineiro was tipping his pitches.  Joel's dominating win against the Mets, in his last start, which virtually knocked the New Yorkers out of the playoffs, could be an indicator that Pineiro has finally found his mojo and is ready to be a solid middle of the rotation (league average) starter this year.  

Wainwright's ERA in the second half last year was 2.71, about two points better than the first half of his first ML season as a starter.  Obviously Wainwright adjusted to the hitters much better than they adjusted to him.  It is reasonable to expect Adam continue his trajectory of improvement and finish 2008 with an ERA around 3.70 or lower, splitting the difference between his first and second half numbers last year.

Assume that Looper will perform at the same level as he did last year (or be replaced by a pitcher who will perform at that level or better.)

It is reasonable to hope that the other member of the rotation, Mulder, will be able to match the level of performance in the 28 starts by Thompson, Wellemeyer, and 2007's ailing Mulder himself.   Mulder would replace his own three very poor starts in 2007, at an ERA of 12.27; and the much better 11 starts of Wellemeyer at a 3.65 ERA; and the 11 average starts by Thompson at a 4.54 ERA, and the three starts by Keisler, at an ERA of 5.19. Even if Mulder is not completely back to form this year, even if he performs only halfway between his career ERA of 4.18 and his 2004 ERA of 4.43 for Oakland, when he was ailing in the second half, he would put up an ERA of 4.31, almost exactly the same as the combined performance by Mulder, Wellemeyer, Thompson, and Keisler in 2007.

On offense I think we have general consensus that the extremely poor performance by Rolen, Edmonds, and Kennedy in 2007 will be easy to surpass this year by Glaus, Ludwick/Rasmus, and a rebounding Kennedy this year.  In addition, Duncan should do better, now that he is free of the hernia that dramatically hindered his second half performance last year.  And Encarnacion's mediocre performance as the right fielder should be easy for the more talented, much more powerful Rick Ankiel to match.  Molina finally seems ready to be a solid contributor, as he showed all of 2007, having finally settled on a consistent batting stance; he is still in his prime, so it is reasonable to expect him to continue to perform at the level he did in 2007.  Few have any hope that Izturis will contribute respectably on offense, but even if he and Miles (gag) and/or Jiminez or Ryan fail to match the combination of Eckstein, Miles, and Ryan in 2007, all the other improvements should net an overally improvement in offense. Considering how low the bar was set by last year's offense, we can reasonably expect that with average health all of these offensive improvements in 2008 should add about 50 more runs scored in 2008 than in 2007.

That addition of 50 runs scored, combined with the 55 runs subtracted from runs allowed by Clement and Pineiro, would erase the rest of the team's -104 run differential. So the Cardinals would actually score as many runs in 2008 as they would allow (hold your applause please).

Any other improvements would be a bonus. Like, say, replacing the fifth starter in August with Chris Carpenter's solid contribution over the last third of the season; or like Jamie Garcia emerging as the fifth starter at the beginning of the season. Or Anthony Reyes putting it together and becoming a valuable contributor or a valuable trade chip for some other improvement. Etc.

"So what if the Cardinals do reduce their run differential to zero?", you ask?  "Big deal. Surely you don't imagine that the team could be a contender with such mediocre performance, do you?"  Hey, maybe the Arizona Diamondbacks can answer that question.  Who would have guessed that Arizona would have the best record in the NL in 2007, despite a negative run differential of 20, while the Braves, with a positive 77-run differential, the Padres with a positive 75-run differential, and the consensus pre-season pick, the New York Mets, with a positive 54-run differential, all would fail to even make the playoffs.  Consider also the Cardinals themselves, who found the magic to win the World Series in 2006, despite a positive run differential of only 19.

Even if imagining the Cardinals in the postseason in 2008 is an outrageous long shot (which, of course, it is), it's a pleasant little winter fantasy, isn't it? Why not "accentuate the positive" for a change while we gather around the hot stove, just for fun?  Would that be such a bad way to improve our own pleasure/pain differential? As Joaquin Andujar would say, "You never know...."

by CardsWin on Jan 16, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Optimistic...
but nice to read.  I think you have to add in a few injuries (which all teams have), but I also think we might have a pleasant surprise or 2.  What happens is one of Mulder/ Piniero/ Iztures/ Glaus finds their former magic and/or one of Duncan/ Ankiel/ Rasmus/ Molina/ Reyes/ Wainright develops far more, or far more quickly than expected.  All of the above player are hard to project due to injury and/or youth.  I also think we won't have as many bad injuries/problems/death that we had last year.  I could see them having a zero run diff and competing through August (which wouldn't be bad for a transition year).  You never know.
"It takes pitching, hitting and defense. Any two can win. All three make you unbeatable". Joe Garagiola

by MRCARD on Jan 16, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to add...
Clement to the list of players that could possibly find their old magic.
"It takes pitching, hitting and defense. Any two can win. All three make you unbeatable". Joe Garagiola

by MRCARD on Jan 16, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Optimists believe Mo did the best he could
Pessimists believe that's exactly the problem.

I agree that it is unlikely so many breaks (a wave of injuries and accidents, one career-ending, even an off-field death) will go against the Cards this year as last year.

Yes, admittedly, the scenario I've laid out emphasizes the optimistic side of the possibilities, in the end. But with all the "if's" taken into an aggregate group and all their "protection" or hedge bets (backup players) pooled together, too, the pleasant and unpleasant surprises will most likely balance out and leave us close to the midpoint range of possibilities. It does seem to me that the midpoint in the range of the possibilities, for the players now on the roster, is the Cardinals being a .500 team, with about as many runs scored as given up.

It isn't improbable that the Cards will get solid or better performance from at least five of these 11 starting pitcher candidates: Wainwright, Looper, Pineiro, Wellemeyer, Thompson, Reyes, maybe even Garcia or Hawksworth or Boggs, all healthy at this point, and Clement and Mulder the recovering ones, and later Carpenter).  That's a large enough pool of candidates to not have to resort to leaving someone in the rotation this year who pitches as poorly as Wells, Reyes, Maroth, and Mulder did last year.  Again, how unlikely is it that the Cardinal rotation will be significantly better with this pool of candidates, in comparison with the worst starting rotation in the history of the franchise?  That's not only a reasonable expectation.  It's a very good bet.

Likewise, how improbable is it that Glaus will add more value for the Cards this year than Rolen did  last year?  Or that the centerfielder (Ludwick or Rasmus or Barton or Shumacher, or a platoon) will contribute more than Edmonds did last year (Jim's subs last year actually demonstrated already that they can and very probably will perform better).  Or that Kennedy will have a much better year this year than last, closer to his career and recent performances?  Or that Duncan will have a better year than last year, when he was hindered so much in the second half by a hernia?  Or that Ankiel (or Ludwick or Schumacher) will at least match last year's modest performance of Encarnacion?  Etc.  Each of these possibilities is the best bet, taken individually, and in aggregate, they amount to the likelihood that the overall offense will very likely be better this year than last.

Enough so that I'm betting the Cardinals will win close to half of their games, if not more, through August 1, by which date Chris Carpenter and Colby Rasmus and Josh Kinney, and probably Perez, and/or possibly Boggs and/or Worrell should be added to the team, along with one or players added through trade (of Reyes? Thompson? Duncan? one or more relief pitchers?) by the end of July deadline.  With all of those improvements, the Cardinals could make a late run for the NL Central title, especially if among Clement, Mulder, and Carpenter there are two starters who are back in full form at the top of the rotation along with Wainwright, and the back of the rotation can be filled out by some combination of Pineiro, Looper, and/or others.  Even with average breaks, the good breaks counterbalancing the bad ones, this rotation could be the best in the NL Central by August.  Of course, with enough bad breaks, the rotation could be mediocre.  But given the number and upside potential of starting candidates, I think it's a very good bet that "mediocre" is the worst that is likely to happen, among the 90% range of probabilities.  

Even "mediocre" would be a big improvement over last year's historically "awful" overall rotation.    

by CardsWin on Jan 16, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Baron
I agree with everything you said with the exception of the Izturis deal.  I'm still ok with that move simply because he has the most upside defensively and offensively as any player they could have gotten at that price.

I don't agree that Ryan is an alternative at the SS position.  He's not the best option at second base either -- that would be Hoffpauir.  I don't see why they aren't trying to actively move him to a team that needs help at second base.

"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 16, 2008 1:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

honestly
the first thing i thought about when Mo said we needed "infield depth" was that we were going to trade Ryan.  i have a feeling he was probably being brought up in the pirates trade talks.

by FutureMan on Jan 16, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baron, I recommend you for tenure
Plus, your English-style spellings add an air of dignity, or something, to your posted musings.  

I've been wondering, but why do you do the English-style stuff (favOUrite, organiSation, etc.)?  Were you born in Lancastershire (pronounced "Lancashur") or something?

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i was
thinking Canadian maybe.
SUBURBS: Where Americans cut down trees and then name streets after them.

by beanocook on Jan 16, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm sure you meant

i was
thinking Canadian maybe, eh.
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 16, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shove off
ya hoser.
I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 16, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Take off to the freat white north
Take off, it's a beauty way to go.

by gonzostl on Jan 16, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that,
but he's given us insightful analysis of the last few drafts, from A to Zed.
"Players like Pujols don't come along once in a lifetime. They never come along." -Buzz Bissinger

by PujolsFor President on Jan 16, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pineiro - Interesting Quote from TLR
Don't know if people saw this in Gordon's column today, but I thought it was interesting:

"What Adam and Braden did last year making the transition from the bullpen was remarkable," La Russa said. "With Pineiro, it was as simple as him tipping his pitches and (Dave) Duncan fixed that."

The Cardinals seem to be pretty good at picking up stuff like this.  If that is really all that was needed, I'm cautiously optimistic.  However, I guess one could also say, if that is all they "fixed," then perhaps they didn't really fix anything and we are likely to see regression.  

by OCCardsFan on Jan 16, 2008 2:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They said this back in August
after his game in Washington.  Both Dave Duncan and Albert Pujols were able to tell that Joel was tipping his pitches and Dave began to work with him on 'hiding' it more.

They also wanted him to stay agressive with his pitching mentality and not be afraid to so what he wants to do and not what the hitter dictates.

Who knows, really.  He could be the next Jeff Suppan or he could be the next Sydney Ponson.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 16, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Piniero
Has a good shot at surprising us all in 2008.  He's not going to magically transform into Cy Young or anything, but I forsee him being a solid and reliable #3 starter.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Jan 16, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm with you...
... i'm fairly bullish on Piniero. he won't lead the team to glory or anything, but i think he could do well for us. nothing spectacular, but i wouldn't be surprised to see him close to league average.

by kindred on Jan 16, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is my least favorite phrase....
"tipping pitches"

Quick story to explain my point.  A few years ago I was talking to a guy who used to work for the Chicago Cubs as a trainer.  He was in the dugout for a game and Ishmael Valdes was throwing for the Dodgers in a game in 2000.  For the first six innings of the game, Eric Karros was sitting in the Cubs dugout and literally predicted EVERY SINGLE PITCH VALDES THREW FOR 7 STRAIGHT INNINGS.  He was talking to players in the dugout between AB's about how to pick up the pithes in the batters box.

Final Score -- Dodgers 5 - Cubs 0

Valdes 7 2/3 IP 2 H 0 ER 2 BB 10 K

Pretty impressive for a guy tipping his pitches.

In summary, there are certain pitchers who tip pitches all the time (Maddux has been known to do this in the past with his breaking balls) -- the important thing is tipping location, which most pitchers don't do, but is done by a runner on second base.  All in all, if you throw your game and hit your pitch locations you're not getting shelled regardless of whether the hitter knows it's coming.

"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 17, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, however
for a pitcher to be successful there are two ways to beat a hitter: keep them guessing and good location.

If you take away the fact that the hitter actually has to guess between fastball and off-speed, you are really putting a strain on yourself to hit your spot everytime you throw the ball.  Also, it's alot easier for a mistake to turn into a disaster when they know atleast what pitch type is coming.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 17, 2008 1:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how about a catcher
who doesn't "tip" pitches?
I realize it is 'politically incorrect' to criticize Yadi Molina's defense, but I do so anyway.  Despite his many defensive plusses, he too often bounces around behind the plate like a ping-pong ball on adrenalin.
The worst aspect of this being that he often fails to give the pitcher a stable (visual) target.
I also wonder if his gyrations (leaving aside the "distraction" aspect) might provide some last-second indice of pitch location.
I'm no Eric Karros, but I can often tell where the pitch is going watching on TV in my living room.  And that's not from anything the pitcher is doing, it is from looking at Yadi.

Perhaps my memory of Mike Matheny is unduly fond, but it seems to me he rarely moved his glove or body until the pitch was already on the way.

by the Tewk on Jan 17, 2008 8:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Batters aren't looking at the pitch location
from a center-field camera.  Sure, you can see where the pitch is going to be.  Your viewpoint for that is a lot better than the batter's.  Remember too that a batter who's suspected of peeking at the catcher frequently reaps a fastball in the ribs -- or worse -- for his efforts.

That said, I don't really recollect Matheny as any better/different than Molina on setting up for the pitch.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 17, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mo did fine
the only black mark i see was re-signing Aaron Miles and i thought that was because we were loading up for a trade.  Its been said on this board before, Miles is actually a serviceable player when he only gets 100-200 AB's.  Let's not forget that the reason he got so many AB's last year 3/4 of our infield was hurt last year.

and as far as letting eckstein go, how pissed would we all be next year when we are paying 5-6 million to another player on the DL because we all know that's where eck is headed.  and he would have taken arb...  all that talk about his offers were just posturing.  and signing izturis was the better of all evils.  at least he has upside and plays good D.

and finally the majority of the signings Mo made were all 1 year so even if they are busts there's minimal risk.

by FutureMan on Jan 16, 2008 3:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Miles is fine
As a bench player with <200 at bats.  The problem is he's in a good position to get well more than that again (Kennedy and Izturis are NOT both going to start everyday) and he's taking up a valuable roster spot that would be better served by Brendan Ryan or Jarrett Hoffpauir, or possibly even D'Angelo Jiminez.  

Brendan Ryan is younger, cheaper, and plays better defense.  Hoffpauir is younger, cheaper, and deserves a shot to crack the roster.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Jan 16, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

low chance
that izturis missed as many games as eck did last year.  and before last year kennedy had averaged 140 games per year.  you can expect the same from izturis.   at the most you are looking at 40-50 games combined if miles plays everyday that either kennedy or izturis don't which isn't a given.

barring extended injuries miles is looking at <250 AB's.

if ryan isn't going to get the starting SS job for the big league team than i think he's better served getting everyday AB's in memphis than he is being a backup.  if you want to talk about opportunity cost Ryan sitting on the bench is an opportunity cost.  if he tears it up in AAA this year the SS job on the cards will be nice and warm for him in 2009.  that's the beauty of the one year deals for izturis and miles.

by FutureMan on Jan 16, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quote from the P-D
From Gordo's column today:

"And IF Mark Mulder and Chris Carpenter return along the way and regain their old form, the Cards could have the best starting pitching in the division"

I saw this and, admittedly, I blinked.  Granted, he put IF in caps, but that big an IF would fill the whole page.

Not a Gordo fan, but except for that sentence, pretty ok Wednesday-in-January type piece.

Thoughts?

"Dude, we're running out of stadium" - said on the way to our seats in Section 428.

by bukowski on Jan 16, 2008 4:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, if we're talking about unlikely events...
and IF I win the lottery tonight, I can quit my day job!

Remember, kids...every time someone reads a Gordo column, god kills a kitten.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 16, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One in 18 million or worse
is your chance of winning a big lottery.  

The chances that at least two pitchers will step up to the needs at the top of the rotation, among the four candidates (Wainwright, Mulder, Clement, Carpenter) is about 50-50, I'd say.  

If any two of those four return to form, the Cardinals will have as good a 1-2 combo as any team in the NL Central, and the 3-4-5 roles (filled by 2 of these 7 candidates: Pineiro, Looper, Wellemeyer, Reyes, Thompson, maybe even Garcia or Boggs) will very likely be competitive with the division, too.  

(cf. the Cubs' 3-4-5 candidates behind Zambrano and Lilly: Hill, Marquis, Lieber, Marshall, Dempster; and the Brewers' 3-4-5 candidates behind oft-inured Sheets and now merely average starter Suppan: Guillardo, Villanueva, Bush, Capuano, Parra, Vargas).  

by CardsWin on Jan 16, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if that is how probability works
then there is a 1 in 4 chance that one of Aaron Miles, Adam Kennedy, Brendan Ryan, or D'Angelo Jimenez will hit like Rogers Hornsby.  

I think the chance that Chris Carpenter will be a Cy Young-caliber starter and Mark Mulder will be the best LHP in baseball are virtually nil.  I like Carpenter out of the pen and a good bounce back next year, but Mulder has to show at least something before I can even be optimistic he'll make the rotation let alone succeed.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 16, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Six of one and half a dozen of the other
What if we suppose that Wainwright by himself is a 70% bet to perform better than he did last year.  That's probably not unreasonable, given his 2.71 ERA in the second half (he adjusted to hitters better than they adjusted to him and he's still developing and growing into his full potential).

Then only one among the threesome of Carpenter, Mulder, and Clement has to step up to become part of the top of the rotation for the Cards.  Shall we say that the chances of returning to form for each of those three players, individually, is only 1/3?  

If so, then each of them would have a 2/3 chance of NOT returning to form.  That would mean that the chance that NONE of the three returns to form is 2/3 x 2/3 x 2/3 = 8/27 = 29.6%. So the chances that ONE OR MORE of the three will return to form would be 1 - 29.6% = 70.4%.  

Then the chances that Wainwright improves AND that at least one of the other three returns to form would be 70% x 70.4% = 49.3%, or roughly 50-50.  Even if Wainwright did not improve over his 2007 performance and step up to the #2 level, there would still be a small chance that two of the other three would step up to the 1-2 level of performance.  That chance would push the overall probability of the Cards having a strong 1-2 combo in the rotation by August over 50%.

If you believe Wainwright's chances or any of the threesome's chances are better or worse than assumed here, then the chance of having a true 1-2 combo in the rotation will be higher or lower than 50% in your calculation.

The bottom line is still that we don't know what's going to happen, of course. Unlike Hollywood and Broadway the drama and supsense on the baseball diamond are real. Except for those of us who don't like uncertainty, the fact that we won't know the actual outcome until it happens is at least half the fun of being a sports fan, isn't it?

In other words, if uncertainty is dreadful to you, then you must be pretty miserable about now, but if uncertainty is interesting or exciting for you, you're gonna LOVE this year's Cardinal team!  

 

by CardsWin on Jan 16, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Statistically that works....
Even if that were to happen, I submit two staffs in the division that would still have a better top three than the Cardinals:

Brewers (Sheets - 50-50 to be healthy, Davis - 75-25 to return to form, Gallardo - 50-50 to strikeout 200 batters)

Cubs (Zambrano - 80-20 to win 20 games, Lilly - 80-20 to repeat his second half, Hill 50-50 to come back to the 2nd half 2006 form)

"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 17, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You must be picking the Cubs to win by a mile!
You can make a good case for those picks, though I think Zambrano is inconsistent and Sheets is injury prone.  If the Cubs' starters do as well as you suggest and they use Marmol as their closer, they may run away with the division!  I'd be very surprised if Zambrano won 20 this year.  He's starting to show a decline in K's, an increase in BB's, a steady climb in ERA the last four years, etc.  But I wouldn't be shocked if he bounced back and was one of the top 10 pitchers in the NL this year.  A healthy Clement or Mulder could match him, but both are big "if's".  Hill is very impressive, too, yes, and he gave up only 9 HR in the second half last year after giving up 18 the first half.  He and Wainwright are well matched at this point.  Lilly played a bit over his head the first half last year, I think, and his K/9, BB/9 both went down the second half while his HR/9 and ERA went up.  I'd actually bet that Pineiro outpitches him this year.  

I wouldn't lay a big bet against either of your sets of picks right now but I might once we see how Clement, Mulder, and Wainwright look in spring training.  I'm expecting Adam to become a true #2 this year, and I am cautiously hopeful that either Clement or Mulder might regain their former excellence.  

Even if they fall short of that, it's going to be a very interesting season for Cardinal fans who enjoy watching younger players develop and recuperating veterans show whether or not they still have the "right stuff".  

by CardsWin on Jan 17, 2008 4:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
If they can stay healthy, the Cubs really should run away with the division.  Their lineup top to bottom is as good as any in the National League and they have three pitchers who throw a lot of innings and pile up quality starts.  Their bullpen is solid and Marmol was literally unhittable in the second half of 2007.

I see some of the Brewers' team regressing to the mean a bit (Hart, Weeks) this season and I don't think that Braun is going to have near the year he had last year as he adjusts to playing outfield and pitchers adjust to his tendency to swing early in the count.  The addition of Cameron was a great signing as it will improve their defense and moves Hall back to the infield, which will hopefully improve his bat as well.

Houston should score a lot of runs....and give up a lot of runs.  They're really similar to the Cardinal teams of 2005 and 2006 with LESS starting pitching depth and a mediocre bullpen.  They're going to lose a lot of 11-9 games this season and win a lot of 13-10 games.

Reds -- Homers + K's + Harang + Bailey * Dusty Baker = mediocre ballclub.

Pirates -- On the way up, but not enough to contend, although Snell and Gorzellany are a nice one two punch at the top of the rotation.

I see Wainwright as a solid #2 starter as well.  I don't see Carpenter coming back as his 2004-2006 self and I don't think Mulder will ever recover the 20 win form he had in Oakland.  Shoulder injuries are hard to recover from, as we've seen with Rolen for the past couple of years.  It's even worse for pitchers.  Piniero is an interesting case:  He won a lot of games for Seattle from 1999-2003 and threw a lot of innings, but he's just not been that same pitcher the last few seasons.  Maybe a fresh start in St. Louis will help, he's shown he can be a solid #3/#4 starter in the past.

"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 17, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs look like the team to beat
I don't know if you'll see this, fourstick, since this blog string is a day old, but I had to say I think your analysis of the division is spot on, including your assessment of the Cards.  I was actually hoping the Cubs would make the Roberts trade, because I think he doesn't add enough over DeRosa to make up for the pitching the Cubs would have given up.  

Looks like the Cardinal rotation has a strong #2 in Wainwright and solid #3 in Pineiro, and a #5 won't be hard to find with so many candidates.  So the big question is can Mulder or Clement return healthy enough to be a solid #1 while the other fills in the #4 slot, at least.  Will Carpenter return as the #1?  I agree the odds are against it.  Maybe he'll be a solid #4 the last third of the season and return to full strength in 2009 (at least as a #2).  By the time we find out about Chris this August, the Cubs may already be 15 runs up on the Cards and by then even the Brewers won't be able to catch Zambrano and Marmol and Company.  

by CardsWin on Jan 17, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always check my comments for replies...
...even if they're a couple days old.

I like how the Cardinal roster shaped up; it's a much better ballclub talent and depth wise than it was going into the 2007 season.

I like the Clement signing but, again, shoulder problems are always chronic for pitchers.  I think it's a much better deal than the one that San Diego made for Prior.  After reading articles about his rehab, I think he's got a fork sticking out of his back at this point.  I don't see him or Mulder exhibiting #1 starter type stuff.  I think at best the Cards probably have a solid #2 starter (Waino) and potentially 4 or 5 middle rotation guys (Mulder, Clement, Piniero, Reyes, and 1/3 of a season of Carpenter)  I still think all of those guys has the talent to be a solid #3 on a NL staff and Carpenter may well come back completely healthy, but I doubt it.  

By the way, if there's a team not named the Metropolitans that can find a way to blow a 15 game lead after August 1st it's the Chicago Cubs.  They could be up 20 games at the All-Star break and their fans would be wondering when the wheels were going to fall off.  I'm surrounded by them living in Des Moines, IA -- I've never seen such a somber bunch of fans even when they're winning.

"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 17, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aw, Jeez! (Ron Santo's most frequent phrase)
We agree about the Prior signing and that the Cardinals this year should have much improved balance and depth (on their bench and at AAA).  There is a lot of upside talent on this roster, along with a lot of recovery from injury.  We share cautiousness about the prospects for Clement, Mulder, Carpenter, too, though I seem to give a higher rating to the odds that at least ONE of the three will approach his former level of excellence.  The only player I might rate a bit higher than you is Pineiro.  I think he'll be a solid #3, with an ERA around 3.75 or so, give or take a quarter point.    I'd bet on Wainwright to have an ERA around 3.40 or lower.  

As for the Cubs and their fans, I know what you mean.  I went to college at Northwestern and several years later lived north of downtown Chicago for two more years, four miles from Wrigley Field, so I had the opportunity to go to quite a few games over those six years.  (I'm in the San Francisco area now, where I've lived through the Bonds era, one that has weakend the team overall and is about to haunt the Giant owners it appears, for good reason.)   Maybe the Cubs' day games wear the players down by late summer.  I don't know.  But the June swoon legend does have some truth, even if it's actually an August Bust sometimes or a story of how their hopes were dismembered in September or knocked over in October, as Steve Barton demonstrated (have I got his name right?).  It would be a great drama if the Cards were 8 games or so out of first place in the summer, as they were in 2007, then soared into first place after the return of Carpenter, the call-up of Rasmus, and maybe a deadline trade at the end of July.  I can just hear Ron Santo now moaning, "Aw, JEEZ!"  (Good guy, much more enjoyable to listen to than Shannon in my opinion, and a MUCH better third baseman than Shannon was in his experiment there.)

by CardsWin on Jan 17, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess
if you like the blatant homerism and whining all the time you would go with Santo.  I think Pat Hughes is one of the best in the business...he's got a great voice and timbre and maintains an even keel.  He's also very adept at giving you a feel of the game while still updating the score and situation so you have an idea of what is going on.

Shannon was at his best when paired with a great play-by-play man like Jack Buck who could keep control of the booth while letting Shannon tell his stories and quirky anecdotes.  I have to say, though, that I'd rather have him in there than some of the other yahoos they've tried to bring on in recent years (although I have taken to liking Rooney for some reason)  I've also been impressed with the FSN team of Hrabosky and Dan McLaughlin.  I watch just about every Cardinal game either live or recorded in the summer time and those two do a fantastic job.  Much better than the WGN tandem in my opinion.

"I just wish that the late Harry Carey were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 17, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Finally got around to reading it
Very good column by Gordo standards, Aaaaron Miles Love aside.

I may still be reeling in the frothy wake of stupidity that was Dan O'Neill's column from a few days ago.

You can hear the collective conscience of those faithful to the Flock.

Walt Jocketty is gone. A submissive Jimmy Olsen is in his place. Diabolical Jeff Luhnow lurks in the background, an evil Sith Lord skilled in the ways of the dark side. Ownership is trimming inventory, maximizing profits, ready to sell. The brewery wants to reunite the great American baseball franchise with its Great American Lager.

Fact or fantasy, the perceptions are out there, spreading through the city like Highway 40 detours.

I haven't heard half of that nonsense and none of it needed repeating in a column.
The six other positions [after Pujols and Molina] are filled with players either coming off poor seasons, coming off injuries or coming off both. The exception is center field, where the thought is that 21-year-old Rasmus might emerge from a .275 season at Class AA Springfield.
It sounds an awful lot like he's disparaging Rasmus there for having a .275 batting average as one of the youngest players in AA—hack.

by liam on Jan 16, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?
Jeff Lunhow a Sith Lord?  That's about the dumbest thing I've ever seen.  Is he trying to write like Woody Paige, with bizarre comparisons that make no sense?

"Once upon a time, a man named Columbus sailed across the ocean, which was blue.  On Sunday, the Broncos, dressed all in blue, played a football game."

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2008 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FYI I made that one up.
To my knowledge, Woody Paige has never actually written that.  

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A damn
good impression, though. You got me.
Fame was like a drug, but what was even more like a drug were the drugs

by Alxfritz on Jan 16, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I once had a revealing email
exchange with O'Neill.  He's about as anti-sabermetric as they come.

Your best strategy is to just avoid baseball columns by Gordon or O'Neill.  Since I started that a year ago, I've lost 80 pounds, inherited a fortune and married Morgan Fairchild, whom I've slept with.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff red
only thing i have a beef, if you can call it that, is i'd give the miles signing a big old F-. dude does not belong on the Cards. period. it's a waste of money. a waste of roster space. he is potentially keeping the Cards from finding out just what they have in brendon ryan. it's just a bad move all around on their part. i really dont understand why MO let Tony bully him into bringing back miles.

like Tony said about Scotty, MO's the boss. if Tony doesn't like what he does he can quit.

good stuff again dude.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2008 5:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's somebody's birthday
A certain Mr. Pujols will be blowing out 28 candles tonight.

Here's to another year of Joe DiMaggio as baseball-reference's "Closest Comparison by Age".

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Jan 16, 2008 6:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dear Dr. Baron
Mr. Mozeliak and I were very pleased to receive your mid-term assessment of Johnny's performance at the St. Louis School of General Management.  We are proud and excited to have such an eminent faculty member as yourself take an obvious interest in our little Johnny's progress.  As you may be aware, little Johnny has always been a hard working young man and always received straight As when he was a student at the St. Louis School of Assistant General Management.  Of course it helped that his uncle Waldo was the headmaster.  It was very unfortunate that Uncle Waldo was dismissed from your fine institution, but we understand he has been accepted onto the waiting list at the Cincinnati School of General Management.  

Of course, we realize this is a very important transition year for Johnny and that he may struggle at times with the difficulty of your curriculum.  We are confident that with your guidance and Johnny's hard work he will eventually receive the sort of marks we have come to expect from him.  He has always been a Very Enlightened Boy.  We realized it is crucial for Johnny to surround himself with quality people such as yourself and we would like to ask for your assistance in keeping him on the straight and narrow.  

We understand that the well known bully Tommy Lee Rasta has been hanging around the St. Louis School of General Management and we hope you can nip that right in the bud.  We have always tried to bring little Johnny up the right way.  Mr. Mozeliak is particularly proud that little Johnny was raised with a strong foundation of OPS+, OBP, FIP, and UZR.  In fact, Johnny always reads from The Fielding Bible at bedtime.  However, we have heard some unsettling rumors about Tommy Lee Rasta.  As you know he likes to surround himself with older boys and we all know what kind of trouble that can bring.  I think he hangs around with them because they buy him wine.  

My sister's friend's cousin works with Tommy Lee Rasta's mother and she told her that Tommy Lee has been a long-time LOOGy abuser and is currently fighting an addiction to intangibles.  I am sure you can agree that is not desirable company for an impressionable young man like Johnny.  Why that whole Aaron Miles project that you graded him so poorly on was done just so Tommy Lee Rasta would stop taking Johnny's lunch money.  

Thank you again for your thorough analysis of Johnny's performance.  We look forward to hearing from you again at the end of the term.

Very Respectfully Yours,

Mrs. Mildred Mozeliak

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 16, 2008 6:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very nice
"currently fighting an addiction to intangibles." That is a great line.

by OCCardsFan on Jan 16, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that quote too.
Especially since it's so easy to hide an addiction to intangibles, because it's, well, intangible.......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jan 16, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done!
My personal favorite:

"In fact, Johnny always reads from The Fielding Bible at bedtime."

Good stuff.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 17, 2008 12:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sweet
The quality of the material today has been excellent. Very astute observations and the humor is very welcome, especially on topics of which we are not so proud of (cough..Miles...cough). Baron, some pretty fantastic analysis and laugh of the day goes to giveml, just awesome stuff. just a shot in the dark for projected wins: 82
At least he's better than Esteban Yan

by jacksonian on Jan 16, 2008 7:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Solid work
I would probably throw out the grade for organi(z)sational stability and direction on the grounds that Mr. Mozeliak didn't do all of his own work on that project. It's not like he had to be Dr. Phil- that situation fixed itself when they A. subtracted Jocketty from the equation and B. didn't inject another huge ego from outside the organization into the mix. It's not like he had to sit down with Lunhow, Larussa, and Dewitt and get them to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

I'd also have to throw out the hiring grade on the grounds that I have no freaking idea what kind of impact those moves will have long or short term and can't really get too excited about any of them.

So that said, I'd move him from a C- to a nice, solid C after the Rolen deal, but I really think considering what was (or wasn't) available on the free agent/trade market, the project maxed out at a C grade anyway. He mainly just did what he had to, and didn't screw anything up too bad. His dissertation is due next off season, when we see what he does with all that money off the books and a better free agent crop.

Also, with some of the recent moves (Miles, Phelps) I have reason to suspect that Johnny is getting the answers to some of his quizzes slipped to him under the table by Tony. We'll have none of that in this classroom, young man!

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by Tupelo on Jan 16, 2008 10:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Late in the day and off topic
Just saw that Joe McEwing is retiring. This makes me sort of sad.

I'm just glad I watched him play before discovering that guys like Aaron Miles actually suck. Otherwise I might never have fallen in love with MiniMac to begin with.

I can't think of a good offseason signature.

by effin fisk on Jan 16, 2008 10:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wow
the baseball world just isn't the same without Super Joe in it.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2008 2:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Red for the Report, but we need to
conference on your grading system.  I thought Johnny had a much better second quarter than the first, when he was just trying to find his way around school, and that should have improved his semester average.  

Also, I thought that the grades should be properly weighted giving more credit for those tough advanced placement courses in "moving aged or damaged veterans" where he surprised with pretty reasonable results. I know he did pretty poorly in "stop-gap one year infielders", but at least it wasn't a big money disaster like classmate Wade put together, and  as aggravating as Johnny's mess is, at least it shouldn't take as long or be as expensive to clean up.  So I hope you can discount this mistake (although I have a hard time with that myself).

Other than that, I think you need to find a way to be sure Johnny doesn't miss recess so often.  If you saw any of his diaries posted by Inkster, you'll see he's really put himself under a lot of stress. At least let's hope he doesn't have to spend so many days in detention in the next semester.

Just to wrap, let's hope that he is well prepared for final exams.  We'll keep our fingers crossed.  Thanks again Red, and to all the others at veb that have contributed so much to help Johnny with his new school.  Go Cardinals.

by Birds on the Bat on Jan 16, 2008 10:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff all around today.
Insightful AND funny, that's a hard combo to beat.  Keep up the good work and we will all make it until Valentine's Day.  No, I am not referring to all the hearts and flowers (not that there is anything wrong with those), but to those blessed words that are a sure harbinger of spring - "Pitchers and catchers report"!

by cardsgirl95 on Jan 17, 2008 12:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Glaus won't wear #25
he will wear #8.  And no, I thought the same thing too, Hal McRae was not fired to free up this number.
I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 17, 2008 1:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just to be contrary
I'll argue that the Izturis signing could turn out to be a good thing. Yes I think that Ryan would give us more offense and deserves a chance in a transition year. He is, however, in Tony's dog house and those who are banished there seldom make it back in the home (what would ARF say?).  Izturis was, a few years back, a terrific defensive shortstop and there has been speculation that he could be again if given a starting job.  At the very least he will be a better shortstop than the rapidly declining Eckstein.  That is very important on a team that is dependent on successful reclamation and rehabilitation of at least four starting pitchers and on an entire staff who are being taught to pitch to contact.  These guys are going to need all the help they can get in the field and, for all of Eck's hustle and guts, he couldn't have given them that much.  Cesar's not going to hit for crap but, if his defense comes back enough to help a couple of these projects make it back, the 3 mil will be worth it.

by easy on Jan 17, 2008 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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