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Outfield in 2008

I don't want to be one of those guys who does a diary all the time--and this is my first. However I had some downtime at work and had some Cardinal related thoughts going through my mind and wanted to share them.

Basically, I'm excited/interested/intrigued by the Cardinal outfield situation in 2008. I realize that as I type on January 11 of the new year there are MANY, MANY things that still can happen. That being said, I actually think the production from the Redbird OF will be pretty good this season--if not in an unorthodox way.

I know we all have our complaints about Tony LaRussa. Perfect he ain't. However, one thing I've grown to like about him is how he uses his bench and puts players in situations to succeed. Now it may be just me, but I am not obsessed with the "play guys every day" theory that some fans are (i.e. Duncan vs. lefties, etc.). I want the best lineup on the field for that day. It's an individual matchup game and this is one area where I feel Tony does a nice job.

That being said, IF Tony works it right---like he often does, I see positive production from the OF. I think if we look at it as a whole and not on an individual basis we might be surprised. For example, I want good RF production--if it takes two or three guys to get us there--fine. It doesn't matter--it's all the same in the end. One thing I also like is that none of the current crop is destined for greatness (save God Rasmus God) they are all under 30 and bring different things. We have:

Duncan, LH, 26, career .884 OPS in 660 career ABs
Ludwick, RH, 29, .818 OPS last year, 300 ABs
The Ricker, LH, 28, .863 OPS in 175 AB's in 2007
Skippy, LH, 27, good last year, .731 career OPS
Phelps, RH, 29, .820 career OPS in 1300 ABs
Mather, RH, 25, emerging late, .769 career OPS in minors
Barton, RH, 25, speed, .893 career OPS in minors
Haerther, LH, 24, .837 career OPS in minors
Colby---we all know his story

Now, the #'s were more for my sake as I'm sure everyone knows them. I also only see five of those guys on the roster and it was a stretch to include Phelps. However, I like the RH/LH mix---I like the power potential (Ludwick, Duncan, Ricker, Mather, etc.). Barton is an interesting option and I actually am intrigued by Haerther as a hitter--he's still young enough.

Anyway, assuming Colby ISN'T one of the five (and this may not be true), I still can live with a group of Duncan, Barton, Ankiel, Ludwick, and Phelps/Haerther/Skip. In the end I think the overall production from the group will be quite positive.

Sorry to ramble--I just kind of see the OF as ONE actual area to look forward to in what may be a pretty down year. Thanks.

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I agree.
I'm looking foward to seeing what they can do this year.
"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Jan 11, 2008 1:17 PM EST   0 recs

Def agreed!
It's refreshing relative to some of the dreck we've been putting out there in recent years. Haerther has a little bit of time to show what he's got, the Phelps move is good insurance, Chris Duncan needs to stay healthy and then we'd all love to see what he's really got. Rick Ankiel has no comps - how do we judge his potential?? His age isn't relative to other hitters' developmental curves. As a former big league pitcher he's got the supposed advantage of knowing what the other guy's thinking. Barton has intriguing tools and minor league numbers. Ludwick has had his developmental curve interrupted by injuries and clearly has some upside as shown by his second half #s.

Yeah, I'm excited too. Nice diary.

by airhad on Jan 11, 2008 1:29 PM EST   0 recs

Not to nit pick
but Phelps has never played OF. DH, 1B, and very little at catcher. I don't see him starting now.  

by JShell73 on Jan 11, 2008 1:47 PM EST   0 recs

agreed
but this is TLR we are talking about. The list of guys who played OF under him who never had before is an extensive one :)

I honestly don't think they would have signed him if they didn't think OF somewhat.

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by beanocook on Jan 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Phelps in OF?
On CardsTalk, they quote the Pirate beat writer's interview with Josh Phelps, who said he had no intention of playing winter ball or practicing catching fly balls in anticipation of becoming an OF.

Seems like an IF/C backup.

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=514164&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight =josh+phelps&&start=8

by gocards62 on Jan 12, 2008 12:23 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

situational use?
I tend to agree - could be some fireworks from the outfield bats.  But if you look at the guys with MLB experience, whether RH or LH, we have no one that can hit LH pitching.  EVERY one of Duncan, Ankiel, Skip, and Ludwick have splits that are either neutral or favor RHP.  Interestingly, the one player on your list with splits favoring LHP is Phelps:
         OPS
RHP      0.796
LHP      0.864

Maybe this was one reason he was signed.  However, this means that Tony's situation use of the outfield will be somewhat limited by the lack of a regular outfielder who can hit lefties.

by cdb on Jan 11, 2008 2:02 PM EST   0 recs

mench...
i think you are right about phelps.  i still keep throwing out mench's name though.  we know he can play the OF whereas we are just hoping phelps can play the OF.  mench is a reliable lefty killer.  bringing in another righty would mean saying goodbye to skip schumaker though.  shouldnt be that bad of a loss considering ankiel, barton, ludwick and rasmus can handle CF.

by dmb60614 on Jan 11, 2008 2:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

intriguing story line...
...pretty much what everyone has already said...

the outfield will be an intriguing story line for me next year.

ludwick went .274/.372/.469 post all-star break last year and .298/.362/.547 vs. righties.  can he finally put together an entire season of .850ish OPS ball?  this is a guy that could be a quality regular at a reasonable price for a long time.

duncan...i dont remember exactly when he got injured, but he was hitting .287/.377/.554 on aug 1.  can he stay healthy and put similar numbers up for a full season.

ankiel...can crush the ball and has a rocket arm.  the guy is just fun to watch.

barton...seems to have a lot of upside and versatility.  not as powerful as the other guys, but adds the dimension of speed.

and i havent even gotten to rasmus yet.  

hopefully these guys can play to their potential, because they can be really good.  if they perform well it would really help ease the loss of rolen's bat, whether that comes by trade or by diminished performance.

by dmb60614 on Jan 11, 2008 2:10 PM EST   0 recs

my choice
I still hold the opinions that one of Duncan/Ankiel should be traded, but if it stays the same I would like to see an OF of

Ankiel
Duncan
Ludwick
Barton
Schumaker/Mather/Haerther

I would like to see Mather/Haerther start off the season in AAA and then replace Schumaker. Schumaker was a nice surprise last year, but I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near that good next year. Also, he's 28 and have no potential to grow give Mather (25) and Haerther (24) a chance to develop.

Even though I want to seem him in the Bigs, leave Rasmus in AAA. Let him have plenty of AB's and don't rush him. Both years in the minors he's has a tendency to just suck for a month of two before returning to normal. Giving him plently of AB's will help him.

by maurerdj on Jan 11, 2008 11:29 PM EST   0 recs

I see the of crew
consisting of Ankiel, Duncan, Ludwick, Barton and Schumaker.  I'm hoping that a platoon of Barton and Schu can fill the leadoff position and that Duncan can play well enough to have some trade value when Rasmus is ready.  I seem to be higher than most folks on Ankiel's potential but admit that he's probably an all or nothing proposition.  Ludwick's potential is also very interesting and I think he'd be at least a league average corner outfielder if he played full time.  I agree that this is altogether a much more talented crew of outfielders than we've had in a couple of years and that shrewd lineup decisions by Tony could get big time production out of them.

by easy on Jan 12, 2008 11:51 AM EST   0 recs

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