Game 138 Open Thread: September 7, 2007
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hooo, boy.
i had been planning this morning to compare ankiel's "debut," as it were --- as a position player, anyway --- to those of other prominent cardinal players. he now has 93 plate appearances, and as far as i can tell only one guy has ever had a beginning as smashing as slick rick's:
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | |||
| ankiel 07 | 81 | 22 | 29 | 6 | 0 | 9 | 29 | | | .358 | .409 | .765 | ||
| pujols 01 | 82 | 17 | 32 | 7 | 1 | 7 | 25 | | | .390 | .457 | .756 |
brock and edmonds also made big first impressions; so did bo hart and terry pendleton. but 9 homers? according to mike carminati (who's much more thorough than i with this type of research), no player has ever hit 9 hr in fewer games / ab than ankiel on his current run.
since i expressed some dismay at the tone at VEB over the weekend, i'd like to do the opposite and commend everybody for the tenor in this morning's thread. despite the controversial, emotionally charged subject and some sharp disagreement over various aspects of this story, the comments never took an ugly turn. thanks to all for keeping it on track.
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Tone of VEB
Just wait till Mulder pitches again.....we are getting PISSED.
Ankiel will deny it
by TriplePlay on Sep 7, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions
hard not to be skeptical..
i don't think so
if the proof doesn't stick, then ankiel will come out of this just fine.
hope you're right
From Bernie
"Rick's position is that he's never had contact with this pharmacy, he's never received anything from this pharmacy, he's never been to this pharmacy, he doesn't know anyone at the pharmacy and frankly these allegations that he received something from them or ordered something from them aren't true."
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure as heck hope
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 7, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Never had contact w/ the pharmacy
If he denies this, I hope the denial extends to the clinic as well as the pharmacy.
Why?
Well, this is an interesting third option
I have a feeling that Rick is either going to get cleared, or this is going to get a whole lot worse for him.
Press Conference
Chi and Mil both lost today!
Go get em CARDS!
First Place Here We Come!
by yer dog first on Sep 7, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I read in a news report today that that clinic
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the story
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This story, from espn.com
No that wasn't the article
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
happy to see the game thread up
Now put me back in a good mood Adam, go throw a 1 hitter.
I don't think I could stomach...
Just kidding! Here's hoping Webb hasn't found his really good stuff again yet (42 innings...)
by hex706f726368 on Sep 7, 2007 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's just because...
With half the rotation imploding
I dunno...
I didn't realize they
As we have witnessed
The Cubs learned that Jack Wilson still has not
First place tonight?????
Yeah...
The only team that truly approached being a great team was the Padres back when Maddux, Young, and Peavy were cruising, but now injuries have derailed even that.
1-0 Pirates
Go Pirates!
Nyjer Morgan...
Go Nyjer.
didnt see this posted so want to be the first?
Dave Bush...
Votto blows it open with a double...
Somebody test the front office
by Some witty name on Sep 7, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
im gona go ahead and say
6-0 in the first
now lets see if the pirates can hold the cubs.
Go cards, 3 times tied at first would be awesome
Votto thrown out at home...
Way to go kid, you're Bush's new best friend.
3-0 Bucs!
Okay, everyone here seems to be in a happy-go-lucky mood at the moment, but what are the chances of us actually winning this game tonight?
Don't get me wrong, I'll be rooting like crazy, but we're not known for responding to off-the-field upsets with on-the-field greatness.
Here's hoping we'll be a first place team by midnight!
It's very hard...
why are the Pirates
Cards Win Tonight
Brandon Webb's pitched better on the road than at home this year and newest Cardinal Russell Branyan has absolutely raked Webb throughout his career.
this is awesome
looking good so far...lets hipe waino throws a good game, although if he doesnt its alright..he has done more than asked already.
Jocketty and Ankiel on ESPN
OK--back to the fun losing opponents.
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
correction (sorry!)
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the update..
What's stout about it?
Walt's statement was very vague -- everything he took was under a dr.'s care w/ a dr.'s prescription and violated no MLB rules at the time. He also said that he took nothing illegal. I'm not sure if HGH, like steroids, are against the law. I guess they're not if they're prescribed by a doctor. So there was absolutely no denial of having taken HGH there.
This is OK w/ me, to a point. If he took HGH when it wasn't illegal under MLB rules, I think he should be OK. But I'm troubled by the vagueness of everything that was said. If he didn't take HGH, he should come out and say so. If he did, IMO, he should say "yes, I did and it was legal, prescribed by a doctor, and did not violate MLB rules at the time."
This seems like a rather weak, dissembling defense. Maybe it will be different for Bud and the gang than it was for the cameras, but I didn't hear a definitive statement at all.
Maybe it's an antidepressant or the like?
Maybe
Not exactly a great denial
I can't tell you what it was.
I got it from some place other than the place that was cited in the story.
You say he didn't admit to taking HGH; did he specifically DENY taking HGH?
This could've died; now it won't!
He's hiding behind...
I think I would
He did cite privacy concerns
He said that he would not detail medications he was taking at the time because he has an extensive history of physical and psychological issues, especially from that time priod. And he said he hoped reporters would respect his medical privacy.
Jocketty said he did nothing wrong and the Cards stood behind him.
That probably wasn't a very good account. But no, he would not go into specifics about medications except to say that everything was done legally and for prescribed medical reasons.
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ankiel can't hide behind "privacy"
If he was prescribed HGH by a doctor as part of his recovery from injury, why not just say that, unless it isn't true?
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 7, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
You're right
Ankiel did not deny he took HGH. He didn't even deny he took HGH after the MLB ban (this would not be illegal, which means against the law, but it would be a violation of MLB rules).
He cited "doctor-patient privilege" without even knowing at first what to call it. That is BS. He can waive the privilege -- after all, it belongs to him! He shouldn't hide behind it. In professional sports, there's almost no such thing as medical privacy, unless you're Chris Duncan and have a groin injury.
If Ankiel took HGH with a doctor's prescription, to recover from an injury, at a time it wasn't banned by MLB, why not just say so? He doesn't say so, and I suspect it's because that statement isn't true.
I was amazed by Jocketty's statement that the club doesn't know what drugs a player is taking when he is recovering from an injury.
I do believe Ankiel's statement is only going to fuel the fire, not put it out, because of his insistence in hiding behind medical privacy. I think his statement is on a par with, "I'm not here to talk about the past."
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 7, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I just fail to see how this whole thing is such a dust up. The report so far has failed to uncover anything illegal or banned activity. We can speculate all we want, but even if Rick says "Yeah, I took the shit out of HGH" there are always going to be fans who disbelieve him (SEE: Kevin Slaten on 590 "the fan" who thinks all athletes are guilty of taking illicit performance enhancing drugs until they prove TO HIM that they haven't).
Rick can't win, plain and simple. No matter what he says, people are going to second guess him. So for the sake of argument, I'll give his critics the benefit of the doubt AND BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SAID -- he still hasn't done anyting wrong. End of story. Now go win us the pennant, Rick.
He wasn't asked
He was asked if he took HGH, and he wouldn't answer the question.
"I'm not here to talk about the past."
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 8, 2007 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
If you want to see what Ankiel and Jocketty said
If you're interested, I'd suggest watching them yourselves.
by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Summary of ESPN video
Ankiel: Any medication I've gotten in my career has been under a doctor's care. I was surprised my name was on the list (of people getting drugs from the pharmacy). That's the world we live in.
I was disappointed (in seeing the story). I don't want to be a distraction.
I'm not going to go into the list of what my doctors have prescribed for me. I've been through a lot emotionally and physically. Doctor-patient (pause) privileges (he said the word after being prompted by a reporter) and I hope you guys can respect those privileges.
I'm familiar with the clinic. I don't know anything about the pharmacy. I don't know anyone there, I've never bought anything there, I don't know anyone there.
Q: Why is your name and date of birth attached to a client list from the pharmacy?
Ankiel: I'm not sure, I don't know anything about the pharmacy.
Q: Why pick up drugs at a clinic instead of a drugstore.
Ankiel: That's the way it happened. I really don't have any further statements about this. I respect the integrity of the game and I'm on the same playing level that everyone else is on.
Q:Reporter statement that "the team would have known all along what you've been doing."
Jocketty: No. It's patient-doctor privileged information that we don't necessarily get. If there are waivers from certain players for certain ailments like that, we're not necessarily privy to that.
Q:So it wasn't prescribed by a team physician.
Jocketty: I don't know that.
Jocketty said he had contacted MLB, MLB did not contact him. "They're going to look into it, I'm sure, and let us know what their findings are." Didn't mention any names of MLB officials. Ankiel said he would be willing to cooperate with an MLB investigation, "anything that MLB wants to talk about."
Ankiel said the time frame was right after his TJ surgery.
Reporter asked if he took HGH prescribed by doctor.
Ankiel: No. I told you before, I'm not going to go into any of the medications that were prescribed to me by my doctors. "That's client and patient privilege"
End.
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 7, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Early showers for Bush...
Of course he can
cubs also down by 4
btw im not gona be able to watch the game tonight....but thats good luck everytime i dont watch the games the cards win and alberts does good, so we should be on first by tomorrow.. "knocks on wood"
What a day
The twist is we're set to hear a denial, glaus stepped up as the next scandal victim before the day was out, and the cubs and brewers are losing by a combined score of 11-0 after just 2 innings.
Here's to hoping the cards find a way to pull another one out to cap a strange day in sport.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry for the dumb post, but......
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 7, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
Roger that. Thanks.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 7, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
JOKES JOKES JOKES!!!!!
I'll give it a try:
What do bears on birth control and the world series have in common?
No Cubs!!!!
Come on, you can beat that!
A quote I always enjoyed
Did you hear about the new Cubs soda? Two sips and then you choke.
Nice.
Well played.
by champion on Sep 7, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
No one's afraid to call for pizza.
Albert Einstein
Albert wondered the holding room for a bit and decided to approach someone.
"Hello", Albert greeted. "What is your IQ?"
"180." responded the woman.
"Wonderful!", replied Albert, "We can discuss the theorey of relativity."
After a nice conversation, Albert approached a gentleman. "Hello, sir, what is your IQ".
"135", replied the man.
"Great, we can discuss the affects of war on marco-economics." said Albert.
With the success of the first two encounters and more time to kill, Albert Einstein approached a third man.
"Pardon me, sir, what is your IQ?", Albert inquired.
"78", responded the man.
Albert paused for a brief moment and replied, "How about those Cubs?"
this joke only works pre-October 2006
Both have yet to win a world series in their new ballpark.
of course we had to go and spoil that one.
bob hope presents
Fellas it's good to be in Arizona. I've been to Arizona once, I was apprentice to a water salesman. He tried to pawn me off to some marauding nomads, but he was a terrible salesman. Terrible salesman, turned out he couldn't sell me in the desert.
I got crank called the other day. Yeah, cranked called, the joker asked me, "Do you have Prince Fielder in a can?" Of course I said yes, and he said, "Why, that's some kinda can!"
Did you hear about the new Mark McGwire biopic? Variety wanted to interview the director, but the producer was just there to talk about the cast.
You heard Jack Benny has a new sponsor, of course. That old cheapskate's got a lot in common with Jason Marquis, but I tell you what, at least he can get a Lucky Strike.
Pirates and Reds are kicking @$$ right now
Definitely
The Brewers have...
I guess they're going with Sheets-Gallardo-Suppan- Bush-Villanueva. That's actually not a bad rotation as Soup has pulled it together of late. I'd take it over what we got.
TLR will turn this lemon into lemonade
I could see this turning into a winning streak. Even AP might be shaken out of his complacense, because he is after all the ultimate team player. I think this latest "setback" means that we win the Division.
I don't question Albert's drive either
Albert is like Bill Bixby...
Like if a pitcher comes close to hitting him. He'll wallop the next pitch for a home run. (Statistics probably don't back that up, but it sure seems like it happens a lot).
Lineups
Ankiel RF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Duncan LF
Branyan 3B
Molina C
Wainwright P
Miles 2B
RLRLLLRRS how often does tony have 3 lefties in a row?
Glad Rick's in there
Wish Jimmy wasn't in. I'd rather see Ludwick or (gasp!) Skip.
BTW, very few So sightings recently.
Based on the video from the Presser
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick?
If the latter, that's too bad. I was hoping to anger him into an inspiring "Jimmy of old" performance. Instead, I'm afraid we'll just see an "old Jimmy" performance.
Kudos to Tony
Decent
However, when Branyan is playing third, Ryan should be at SS or 2b. There's no reason for Miles, or even Eckstein, to be getting starts ahead of Ryan.
It's a lefty lineup
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
3 lefties
eckstein ss
ankiel rf
pujols 1b
edmonds cf
duncan lf
rolen 3b
molina c
looper p
miles 2b
it stuck out to me at the time that Edmonds and Duncan weren't separated by Rolen, since TLR's well-established MO is always to alternate whenever possible.
But three lefties? That is weird....apparently Webb has a nasty lefty-right split for his career. (You knew there had to be an angle to it.)
This whole thing...
I feel that way about Rick and every other player including Bonds.
HGH was Legal in this country and legal in major league baseball. Every player could have potentially had access to a legal substance so I don't see how that, or protien shakes, or anything of the like could be viewed as an unfair advantage.
Where it get's bad is illegality and rule breaking. none of that has even been illuded to as the case. I can't believe some of the things the national media has said with those two elephants in the room.
These aren't steroids, or the clear, of HGH in 2007, or Cocaine, or what have you. It was a player using a substance completely allowed both in baseball and in the USA.
What a contraversy.
Two questions...
- Honestly, how would you react if the story was about Derek Lee (or another rival player)instead of Rick Ankiel?
- What do you think of McGwire's alleged doping? Since steroids weren't against baseball's rules (at least explicitly), should it affect his HoF bid?
response...
2.Steroids were illegal. Illegality, by it's nature means it is against the rules in a sport, the same as rape most likely isn't explicitly against the rules, but regardless of the legal sentence deserves a lifetime ban from baseball. All of this is if found guilty.
As for HOF chances I fully admit the homer in me would like to see McGwire make it, and that my opinion could never be the deciding factor in this decision because of bias.
HOWEVER, if McGwire isn't voted in because of suspected steroid use, then neither should Barry. Barry used the clear, we know it was in his body AND illegal, but mainly I hate the arguement that Barry was a HOFer BEFORE he was a cheater. If cheating is a disqualifier than Barry's allegedly untainted stats as a rule can't save him.
Cheers
by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
I'll would bet
YAY
Cubs lose Cubs lose ...
As any Card fan can tell you after the recent battle-to-a-draw, they are a feisty little bunch of shooters that will overwhelm bad pitching.
The Pirates, even though they are the
Pitt
And this game will feature the two best pitchers on either team. (Knowing the baseball gods this game will end up 14-12 by the 3rd inning....)
in other news
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i forgot jo garagiola
man DUNK didn't have a chance up there. even with his 3 run double the other night he's still in a deep funk.
let's go Wagonmaker. we really need your A++++ tonight.
gesh Adam
ball took a bad hop
by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
Boy I'd love for them to outright release
Cardinal Starts for 2008:
Looper
Carpenter
Franklin
Izzy
by redbird2006in on Sep 7, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
Do you mean...
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 7, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Izzy
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel like such a noob for asking...
also i knew next to nothing about branyan before we signed him...
homer, strike out, or DP
you could be right
if only I could get the hang of posting links
They're "Three True Outcomes"
yeah, what liam said
nice try YADDA
WTF?
Ank
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have just got to quit checking out the blogs
Grounder to 3rd
by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
well he didnt so much as jump over YADDA
Slow dribbler
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Two errors
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone watching the Braves game?
by CyWagonMaker on Sep 7, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Just can't let that first pitch go by, can we?
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
that was painfully quick
Eck robbed.
Anyone else bothered by all the billboards behind home plate? I think if they try hard enough they might be able to squeeze in a few more.
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Ronnie "the Tongue" Belliard
byrnesy was out by 10 feet.
Excellent
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
we really need to stop
by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
AND JIMMY TIES THE BALLGAME
now that's the Jimmy of old. boy we've missed you dude. please pull up a chair and sit a spell. we really need you bro.
The SWEETEST swing in baseball. . .
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
got that one right al
what's dumb about it?
i thought the flub fans
I have always hated it
there's no doubt about it
i dont care who hits it. if i'm in the stands and am lucky enough to catch a home run. there is no way in hell i'm throwing it back. the crowd is going to have to throw me on the field because i ain't giving that ball up.
giving it to a kid
Giving it to a kid is probably the best thing to do though.
darren takins shots at
show him what you got Adam.
bad swings
completly agree
love those outs on the basepaths
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Stepped away for a few minutes...
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the wagonmker
sweeeet
now go get some f'ng runs!
"get the salt&pepper
wtf does that mean joe?
i thought it was Hgh, Hgh
good
I think that is exactly what it was
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
slow it down, guys, take your time
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
small ball and a big pickup
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
WOO
do you have a sig handy
Counselor,
Now let's hope the Wainer is a man of his word.
nice RBI Albert!
Phoenix is good Redbird country
internet man, get over it
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And it's a damn good thing, because that was
Meanwhile, keep it up, lads. 12 more outs 'til first place, in what would be one of the most unlikely comeback stories in sport for quite some time--no matter how bad the NL Central is, or whether or not St. Louis winds up winning the division...
South, too...
eck has range!!
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
eck has range?
Nice play David
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
Gametime update
Ground outs-fly outs: Wainwright 8-4, Webb 7-3.
Batters faced: Wainwright 18, Webb 22.
Umpires: HP: Larry Poncino. 1B: Jim Wolf. 2B: Jerry Meals. 3B: Gary Darling.
Weather: 77 degrees, roof closed.
Wind: 0 mph, None.
5IP 4H for both pitchers
0ER for AW and 2ER for DW 1BB to 3BB and 1SO to 5SO lastly 0HR to 1HR
I really need to learn to turn down the volume
I doubt....
This was in reference to Rick's amazing September and the issue that went down today.
I think it went something like this in reference to Rick when he goes to Wrigley.
-Just throw at his head, he is obviously a head case, so put one in his ear. He forgot how to pitch he'll probably never want to hit again-
I dunno that just makes me sick. Joking or not joking. I read that sometime this afternoon. I remember most of the post because of the throw it as his head part.
Ugh.
seriously?
Oh yes I agree 100%
That's not to say there hasn't been one though, I could be wrong. There is payback etc, then there is beaning to the head. I think you would agree there is a difference. But I am going to disagree with you that this blog isn't innocent.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This weekend
bcb even has a diary up now
not our best hour.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i know its a repeat
by joshbdork on Sep 7, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Initials?
Does
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have concluded
I was arguing with a buddy...
you'd just be taking our money
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Jack Buck once said this about Kenny Reitz, and it
"If he was in a race with a pregnant woman, he'd come in third."
in that scenario
-run backward
-hop on one foot
-do the potato sack thing
-moonwalk
-pull a sharpie out of his sock and sign autographs for all the other infielders
and still beat molina.
i asked the other day
poor YADDA.
after the nlcs-winning homer,
just havin' a little fun on a frustrating day.
Joe, that is not a play that will get
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
hometown announcers
Is it just me or are these announcers pretty bad? Commending your team for throwing out Molina on a grounder? Eeshh...
Well, that just means we have to
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
So
I don't think anyone makes that out
by jeff abs on Sep 7, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Told you
by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Pujols
by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell the truth
What in the name of ****
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Waino out probably
We look like bumbling idiots.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
dude it's darren sutton
at least joe garagiola is kind of funny. darren's just a jackass.
Why wasn't Miles bunting
why wasn't Eck trying to hit a linedrive?
why didn't Schu try to steal with Ankiel up?
cause we go station to station like it's cool.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick, a little magic, if you please.
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
Will Albert ever hit another home run?
Well that's brilliant
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Look out Mr. Pujols, don't stand on the freeway
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
Eck with almost another error
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Scotty Come Home
Double Switches
Maybe to switch out a poor defensive player when
Excellent point
Uuuuuummmmmm......
I really really really wish I was making that up. But unfortunately I'm not. Man, that was wierd. I'll admit it right now...I looked more than once. Who does that and doesn't close the blinds?
Pujols double !!!
ha!
One day my roommate calls me into the kitchen and asks if I know whose car that is in the driveway....I look out and see my guitar player's bare ass bumping against the windshield....4:30 in the afternoon, broad daylight, adjacent to the alley the whole block had to use to park....this guy (married, natch) was banging some blonde he'd met at a bar after work....he ended up getting mad at me because my roommate told the rest of the band.
Hilarity ensued....
actually once at a hotel
like the rest of this board
Branyan
sqeeze
he could get ahole of one though.
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 7, 2007 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
God Almighty! Sit this zero down!
PH Ryan here
by CardFaninVA on Sep 7, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
work the count, work the count, work the count
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
dont strikeout
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 7, 2007 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
branyan with one out and runner on third
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 7, 2007 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
brendan ryan
by twentyfour on Sep 7, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
uuuuuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhh
by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
that. . .was. . .just. . .PATHETIC!!!!!!
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
How accurate
GODDAMMIT
don't blame yadie..
blame Yadi a little
OH MY SWEET LORD!!!
by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
Branyan and Kip - a combination for the ages
have they ever faced each other?
by jeff abs on Sep 7, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If you must know, the results from B-P Play Index
Methinks Kippy turns tail and runs.
Cause he wasn't one of the 3 infielders
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see
That's pretty standard for Yadi
I'm shocked no one is blaming Duncan...
Agreed
by buzzburton33 on Sep 8, 2007 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That may be it for tonight
Miles
Eckstein
Schumaker
next inning. Not exactly awe inspiring.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
Even more exciting!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Now, I consider myself a pretty positive
are we REALLY going to blow the chance to be in a three-way tie for first place????????
by faninexile on Sep 8, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Molina might have concussion
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
YADDA, how many fingers
what's your name?
what city are we in?
why didn't Tony PH for Russ last half inning?
if he can answer 3 of those questions, he's OK.
hell.. if he can only answer the one
double switches
by thomaslj on Sep 8, 2007 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
Exactly my point
Yadi, I really appreciate your grit. . .
by faninexile on Sep 8, 2007 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
was gonna post this when i saw the cubs and mIL
well that sucks
re: La Russa's fault
A little perspective, people....
here's what i dont like about it
now a hitter like Ryan has a much better chance of slapping the ball the other way for a single and getting the run in from 3rd. that right there is the only reason why i would have PH Ryan for Russ.
if I were managing
As I mentioned below, I think removing Ankiel early (in favor of Schumaker?!?) is dumb, but letting Branyan hit didn't cost us the game....
i dont think it cost us the game
I agree
STL has 63 unearned runs this season, second only to Florida I believe. I'm not used to STL playing such poor defense.
by thomaslj on Sep 8, 2007 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Hence...
by buzzburton33 on Sep 8, 2007 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
letting Branyan hit there
Branyan is the classic three true outcomes player -- he leads baseball in the % of his PA's that end up as a BB, a K, or a HR. 46.7% of his PA's end up as one of those 3 true outcomes. Lyon averages 2.91 BB/9 and an unbelievably low .28 HR/9. He wasn't going to homer there so we had to hope for a walk. The likelihood of a K there was really high and we needed someone who could get us a flyball or at least put the ball in play and give us a chance. Branyan is the worst in baseball in putting the ball in play.
It's not all Tony's fault we lost, of course, but the decision to go w/ Branyan in that PA was horrible and, IMO, indefensible.
well when you put it that way
so h-town, who would you have hitting there? LUD?
I would've used Ludwick
[Dandy Don Meredith]
Come on guys!
You probably said the season was over at the All-Star Break too.
Let's go Cards!
Where is Joey G with the 'hotdog' comment
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
i'm betting it has some thing to do with
and that was right after he & Stan got into it so he really wasn't welcome back in the STL to begin with.
7 blown saves?
valverde
by twentyfour on Sep 8, 2007 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
and Miles gets a hit
2005
by twentyfour on Sep 8, 2007 12:15 AM EDT reply actions
Miles
If you're going to criticize La Russa, IMHO it'd have to be for removing Ankiel early....it'd be nice to have somebody who's been hitting homers bat in this half-inning, eh?
if we lose the division by one game
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
damn
Thanks Eck
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
well at least i'm dont have to
Cards really should have won tonight. this one hurts.
Could have been a 3-way tie. . .
by faninexile on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
errors
and poor managing.
by Pujols on Sep 8, 2007 12:20 AM EDT reply actions
"HOW YOU LIKIN' ME NOW?!?!"
He starts talking up the DBacks 1st base coach because Oquendo dropped a foul groundball?
Seriously Sutton, go play in traffic.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions
Golden oppurtunity
It's the same defense he has been putting out
It won't change, I don't know why we complain anymore. We have Barden and Ryan, two young infielders who are pretty good with their gloves, yet in September with a deep bench, Eckstein and Miles get to play the full 9.
Good stuff.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade
by Pujols on Sep 8, 2007 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Eck is a free agent
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I stated above
by buzzburton33 on Sep 8, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough one to lose and
Our season is going to come down to that 4 game series vs. the Cubs at home next weekend more than likely anyways. If we can manage to stay within 2 games of them by then we still have a good chance.
I think we will have a better game tomorrow, and I have a feeling that Ryan will be playing 3rd.
boy we sure could have used
How about Jim Edmonds though?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:38 AM EDT reply actions
he & the Cards
here's hoping tonight was the start of such a streak.
Who pitched better?
6IP 6H 3R 2ER 2BB 1SO 0HR
6IP 4H 2R 2ER 4BB 5SO 1HR
Both gave up 2ER (if only you can assume DPs then it would be 1 for Wain but you can't) both gave up 8 baserunners for a 1.33 WHIP and a 3.00ERA. Great pitching, difference like everyone said was the defense behind them, Cards played sloppy yet again (what happened to this excellent defensive team?)
Not to be Debbie Downer
Dumbrano vs Snell
Suppan vs Harang
Looper vs Owings
Both Snell and Zambrano have been shaky as of late but Zambrano is coming off of being boo'd out of the stadium. He's out to 'prove' something. Harang is suffering from severe arm fatigue and has been giving up large swaths of runs I hadn't come to expect from him.
Looper vs Owings, I really don't know. When Looper is on, he shuts teams down. When he isn't, you are peaking at the game through your fingers.
True
And Harang should beat the Brewers. I think the Cub game could go either way.
I'd say it's 50/50 we get into first.
























