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Game 138 Open Thread: September 7, 2007

wainwright

webb

13-9, 3.78

14-10, 2.91

hooo, boy.

i had been planning this morning to compare ankiel's "debut," as it were --- as a position player, anyway --- to those of other prominent cardinal players. he now has 93 plate appearances, and as far as i can tell only one guy has ever had a beginning as smashing as slick rick's:

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI | AVG OBP SLG
ankiel 07 81 22 29 6 0 9 29 | .358 .409 .765
pujols 01 82 17 32 7 1 7 25 | .390 .457 .756

brock and edmonds also made big first impressions; so did bo hart and terry pendleton. but 9 homers? according to mike carminati (who's much more thorough than i with this type of research), no player has ever hit 9 hr in fewer games / ab than ankiel on his current run.

since i expressed some dismay at the tone at VEB over the weekend, i'd like to do the opposite and commend everybody for the tenor in this morning's thread. despite the controversial, emotionally charged subject and some sharp disagreement over various aspects of this story, the comments never took an ugly turn. thanks to all for keeping it on track.

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Tone of VEB
"since i expressed some dismay at the tone at VEB over the weekend, i'd like to do the opposite and commend everybody for the tenor in this morning's thread. despite the controversial, emotionally charged subject and some sharp disagreement over various aspects of this story, the comments never took an ugly turn. thanks to all for keeping it on track."

Just wait till Mulder pitches again.....we are getting PISSED.

Let me get this straight...Rowand over Pujols??? Really, Tony?

by cardzfan24 on Sep 7, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Ankiel will deny it
according to Boras
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Sep 7, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

hard not to be skeptical..
But if the allegations are untrue, you'd have to feel terrible for him.  As if he hasn't been through enough already, his name will now forever be etched into steroid lore.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think so
todd helton was linked for a while, but his name has been cleared with no lasting effects. ditto gary mathews jr. ditto chris mihlfeld, pujols' trainer (whose name got dragged into it last year).

if the proof doesn't stick, then ankiel will come out of this just fine.

by lboros on Sep 7, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

hope you're right
I'd completely forgotten about Helton being linked to steroids..  So I guess there might be hope for Slick Rick as well.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Bernie
Actual quote from Boras:

"Rick's position is that he's never had contact with this pharmacy, he's never received anything from this pharmacy, he's never been to this pharmacy, he doesn't know anyone at the pharmacy and frankly these allegations that he received something from them or ordered something from them aren't true."

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sure as heck hope
that isn't later disproved...
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 7, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never had contact w/ the pharmacy
I wonder what his position is on contacts with The Health and Rehabilitation Clinic.  Presumably, that's who prescribed the HGH.  Is he saying he got the HGH from another pharmacy?

If he denies this, I hope the denial extends to the clinic as well as the pharmacy.

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?
Why does it even matter where he got the HGH?  It wasn't illegal, and it wasn't banned at the time.  He could have gotten it from Osama bin Laden for all I care -- it wasn't illegal when and how he did it.  Who cares what pharmacy or clinic he got it from?  I got a six pack from the gas station last week -- which is fine b/c I didn't drink it while I drove, and I am 25 years old.  Why does it matter if I bought it from a BP or a Shell?  Now, if a story breaks next week that suggests I bought it for my 18 year old sister . . . then THAT'S a problem.  Now, however, it hasn't even been suggested that Rick has done anything wrong, which is why I can't understand the momentum this story has collected.

by Ray Lankford on Sep 8, 2007 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, this is an interesting third option
the Ny Daily news' reporting is right, and Ankiel never took HGH.  If Ankiel is innocent, it's hard to imagine that the pharmacy didn't break a whole squadron of laws.  It's hard to see a middle ground here--an exposed forgery should be easy enough to trace, one would think.  

I have a feeling that Rick is either going to get cleared, or this is going to get a whole lot worse for him.

by Valatan on Sep 7, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Press Conference
Tonight during the press conf. I heard Ankiel say "I know of the clinic, but nothing of the pharmacy"...or something really close.  I hope there is nothing more to it than that.

Chi and Mil both lost today!

Go get em CARDS!  

First Place Here We Come!

Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Sep 7, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read in a news report today that that clinic
(or pharmacy) is being investigated for a prescription scam where they used people's names without their knowledge.  I guess it's a possibility that his name could have been used like this, that is, if that report was true about such a scam.

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting
Do you have a link to the story?  I'd be curious to read it.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the story
it was from an official news source though.  i was reading so many different stories this morning that I don't remember which one it came from--I sure wish I would have bookmarked that one.  I'll try googling that later but right now I'm worn out from the whole story.    

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This story, from espn.com
says that a doctor was charged w/ sending steroids to people that she never met to be distributed through Signature Pharmacy.  I'm not sure if this is the article you read, but if it was, it clearly was not without the person's consent.  The "scam" was that the doctor never met the person to whom she prescribed the steroids.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2854636

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link
You're a gentleman and a scholar.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

After reading that
I'm hoping it was a different article that was being referenced.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No that wasn't the article
it said that there is another investigation underway and it definitely said that patient's names were being used without consent.  I've been trying to google it, but the internet is so clogged with Ankiel stories that I'm finding it difficult to find the right search string to bring it back up.  Hopefully, that wasn't an errant report.  

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

happy to see the game thread up
I suppose you have to take the good with the bad huh. I love the almost instant game results we get and the friendly banter, but I get distressed at the almost instant JJE we get too( Judge , Jury, Executioner). I like being able to wait until the facts are clear before giving my 2 cents worth on cases like this. As of right now, I really have no opinion on the matter, because I don't know what he did or didn't do. That being said I have to agree the tone was good here this morning. I applaud all those who did their best to keep things civil.

Now put me back in a good mood Adam, go throw a 1 hitter.

Amaury Marti at the Hot Corner!

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think I could stomach...
another 1-0 loss.

Just kidding! Here's hoping Webb hasn't found his really good stuff again yet (42 innings...)

by hex706f726368 on Sep 7, 2007 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets hope
wainwright can keep the team going on the right track despite the news

by truemun12 on Sep 7, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

That's just because...
you kicked all the goons out and there hasn't been time for a new batch to accumulate...
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

With half the rotation imploding
we need a good one from Wainwright tonight.  It's unfortunate that he goes opposite Webb but our schedule relative to the Cubs gets much tougher from here on out and we're going to need Wainwright to pitch like someone who isn't in his first season as a starter.

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno...
the Cubs have 16 left on the road and only seven at home. True they play Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh in 15 of their final 23, but they're 0-3, 5-7, and 4-5 against those teams, respectively.
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize they
only had 7 home games left.  I was referring to the competition levels -- that we play the Brewers, the Phillies, the D-backs and 1 w/ the Mets.  How about tougher "competition" rather than tougher "schedule"?

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

As we have witnessed
The Pirates and the Marlins are no pushovers, if the Cubs pitchers make some mistakes those teams will make them pay.

by KYCards on Sep 7, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cubs learned that Jack Wilson still has not
awakened from the trance he was in in St. Louis.

First place tonight?????

by kwhiteside on Sep 7, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
going by the numbers we have it tougher, but even the best NL teams this year are only pretty good. I mean the Brewers and Diamondbacks have been absolute dogs at times this year.

The only team that truly approached being a great team was the Padres back when Maddux, Young, and Peavy were cruising, but now injuries have derailed even that.

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

1-0 Pirates
Double, grounder to advance runner, sac fly to outfield.
Postseason odds as of 9/6/2007: Central - 17.68358, Wild Card - .10299, Total - 17.78658

by ColinMacLeod on Sep 7, 2007 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Pirates!
I think I just threw up in my mouth.  Sometimes I hate this time of year...I was cheering for the Astros last week and the Pirates and Reds this weekend.  I think I need to go bathe!

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nyjer Morgan...
27 year old rookie jumping on Rich Hill.

Go Nyjer.

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

didnt see this posted so want to be the first?
2004 is in the past..we are here to talk about tonight?
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Sep 7, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Dave Bush...
unlikely to escape the first. Double-single-single-single-single-foul out-single... Reds up 4-0 behind Arroyo.
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Votto blows it open with a double...
now has a career line of 800/833/1600. Somebody test the kid...
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody test the front office
It's been rumored that Votto is looked at as 4A player by reds management, that they don't believe he would be a legit major leaguer.

by Some witty name on Sep 7, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

im gona go ahead and say
brewers already lost

6-0 in the first

now lets see if the pirates can hold the cubs.

Go cards, 3 times tied at first would be awesome

by samael88 on Sep 7, 2007 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Reds!
at least they're not the Astros!  I still have some semblance of self-respect!

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votto thrown out at home...
trying to score from second on an infield single.

Way to go kid, you're Bush's new best friend.

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

3-0 Pirates in the 2nd
Nope the Pirates will NOT be pushovers for the Cubs.

by KYCards on Sep 7, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

3-0 Bucs!
w00t!

Okay, everyone here seems to be in a happy-go-lucky mood at the moment, but what are the chances of us actually winning this game tonight?

Don't get me wrong, I'll be rooting like crazy, but we're not known for responding to off-the-field upsets with on-the-field greatness.

Here's hoping we'll be a first place team by midnight!

.500, there you are!

by effin fisk on Sep 7, 2007 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

It's very hard...
for a game played in a dome in Arizona to be rained out. Dust storms are not unheard of...
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

why are the Pirates
wearing clown uniforms?  as an homage to their horrible ex-GM Dave Littlefield?  Wow!  Do not adjust your set!

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards Win Tonight
I like our chances (as usual). Wainwright's pitching for us and he handled the Snakes' lineup well in his only start against them earlier this season.

Brandon Webb's pitched better on the road than at home this year and newest Cardinal Russell Branyan has absolutely raked Webb throughout his career.

by liam on Sep 7, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is awesome
cubs also lossing 3-0 on the second inning

looking good so far...lets hipe waino throws a good game, although if he doesnt its alright..he has done more than asked already.

by samael88 on Sep 7, 2007 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Jocketty and Ankiel on ESPN
were not on for long.  Said Ankiel did take this prescribed medication under doctor's orders.  He said he never ordered or purchased from the named pharmacy and was surprised to be associated with it in this morning's story.  Cards are standing by him.

OK--back to the fun losing opponents.

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

correction (sorry!)
Ankiel did not admit to taking HGH specifically but only taking a prescribed medication under doctor's orders at that time.  He said he would not specifically name the medication prescribed and cited patient/physician privacy rules for doing that.

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the update..
that seems like a pretty stout defense.
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's stout about it?
I like that he addressed it immediately, and publicly but he basically said "I'm not going to tell you what I took."  When asked specifically if he took HGH under a dr.'s prescription, he said, "that's doctor-patient privilege."

Walt's statement was very vague -- everything he took was under a dr.'s care w/ a dr.'s prescription and violated no MLB rules at the time.  He also said that he took nothing illegal.  I'm not sure if HGH, like steroids, are against the law.  I guess they're not if they're prescribed by a doctor.  So there was absolutely no denial of having taken HGH there.

This is OK w/ me, to a point.  If he took HGH when it wasn't illegal under MLB rules, I think he should be OK.  But I'm troubled by the vagueness of everything that was said.  If he didn't take HGH, he should come out and say so.  If he did, IMO, he should say "yes, I did and it was legal, prescribed by a doctor, and did not violate MLB rules at the time."  

This seems like a rather weak, dissembling defense.  Maybe it will be different for Bud and the gang than it was for the cameras, but I didn't hear a definitive statement at all.

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's an antidepressant or the like?
I know if I was in his shoes and taking Paxil, I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone to know.

by craig3410 on Sep 7, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe
there might be something like that in there and that's ok w/ me.  But, he could still say, "I'm not going to go into the medication I took but I can categorically tell you I didn't take HGH."  

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paxil
"I've been through a lot physically and emotionally."

You could be on to something, but what business is it of ours?

by STLEdge on Sep 7, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly a great denial
yes, I took something a dr. gave me.
I can't tell you what it was.
I got it from some place other than the place that was cited in the story.

You say he didn't admit to taking HGH; did he specifically DENY taking HGH?

This could've died; now it won't!

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's hiding behind...
medical privacy rules. If a reporter asked you what pills you were taking would you tell him? As for it dying, he had to make a statement...
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I would
in this case.  Maybe it's nobody's business but if I was a major leaguer accused of taking HGH and didn't, I think I'd say what I took -- unless it would come back to hurt me.

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did cite privacy concerns
for not saying what specific medications he took, but he said they were all taken in a legal manner, or in his words "on the up and up".

He said that he would not detail medications he was taking at the time because he has an extensive history of physical and psychological issues, especially from that time priod.  And he said he hoped reporters would respect his medical privacy.

Jocketty said he did nothing wrong and the Cards stood behind him.

That probably wasn't a very good account.  But no, he would not go into specifics about medications except to say that everything was done legally and for prescribed medical reasons.  

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ankiel can't hide behind "privacy"
This is as bad as, "I'm not here to talk about the past." It's a tacit admission that he did take HGH illegally.

If he was prescribed HGH by a doctor as part of his recovery from injury, why not just say that, unless it isn't true?

All things are ready if our minds be so.

by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 7, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree
with your characterization of it being "illegal".  In the video, Walt clearly and definitively states that Rick took nothing illegal.  My guess is that taking HGH under a doctor's prescription is not illegal.  So I'll agree that it's pretty close to an admission that he took HGH, it's a very clear denial that he took it "illegally".

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right
I shouldn't have said "illegally." I do think his statement is a tacit admission he took HGH.

Ankiel did not deny he took HGH. He didn't even deny he took HGH after the MLB ban (this would not be illegal, which means against the law, but it would be a violation of MLB rules).

He cited "doctor-patient privilege" without even knowing at first what to call it. That is BS. He can waive the privilege -- after all, it belongs to him! He shouldn't hide behind it. In professional sports, there's almost no such thing as medical privacy, unless you're Chris Duncan and have a groin injury.

If Ankiel took HGH with a doctor's prescription, to recover from an injury, at a time it wasn't banned by MLB, why not just say so? He doesn't say so, and I suspect it's because that statement isn't true.

I was amazed by Jocketty's statement that the club doesn't know what drugs a player is taking when he is recovering from an injury.

I do believe Ankiel's statement is only going to fuel the fire, not put it out, because of his insistence in hiding behind medical privacy. I think his statement is on a par with, "I'm not here to talk about the past."

All things are ready if our minds be so.

by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 7, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow
I couldn't disagree with you more.  Say Rick lists the drugs he took during rehab . . . 3 years ago.  It is possible that Rick is nervous, and justifiably so, that over-zealous fans and critics like Dexter will say, "ahhhh, Rick, you forgot to list X drug.  Is that because you were abusing it or using it illegally?  Or is it because you are trying to hide some really sinister drug that you didn't mention?"  

I just fail to see how this whole thing is such a dust up.  The report so far has failed to uncover anything illegal or banned activity.  We can speculate all we want, but even if Rick says "Yeah, I took the shit out of HGH" there are always going to be fans who disbelieve him (SEE: Kevin Slaten on 590 "the fan" who thinks all athletes are guilty of taking illicit performance enhancing drugs until they prove TO HIM that they haven't).  

Rick can't win, plain and simple.  No matter what he says, people are going to second guess him.  So for the sake of argument, I'll give his critics the benefit of the doubt AND BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SAID -- he still hasn't done anyting wrong.  End of story.  Now go win us the pennant, Rick.

by Ray Lankford on Sep 8, 2007 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn't asked
to list all the drugs he took during rehab. People wouldn't care about ALL the drugs he took during rehab. They'd want to know, did he take PEDs?

He was asked if he took HGH, and he wouldn't answer the question.

"I'm not here to talk about the past."

All things are ready if our minds be so.

by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 8, 2007 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to see what Ankiel and Jocketty said
the video is on the upper righthand corner of:  http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/mlb/index

If you're interested, I'd suggest watching them yourselves.  

by nycardfan on Sep 7, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Summary of ESPN video
Jocketty: I've talked with Rick, we've discussed the story, we know he was under the care of licensed docs in Florida for recovery of injury and surgery he had, all the medication and prescriptions he got were legal, from licensed doctors. That's all we know at this point. Everything was legal, there was no violation of MLB rules and no violation of any laws. If anything more to decide, MLB will look at it. We're here to support Rick.

Ankiel: Any medication I've gotten in my career has been under a doctor's care. I was surprised my name was on the list (of people getting drugs from the pharmacy). That's the world we live in.

I was disappointed (in seeing the story). I don't want to be a distraction.

I'm not going to go into the list of what my doctors have prescribed for me. I've been through a lot emotionally and physically. Doctor-patient (pause) privileges (he said the word after being prompted by a reporter) and I hope you guys can respect those privileges.

I'm familiar with the clinic. I don't know anything about the pharmacy. I don't know anyone there, I've never bought anything there, I don't know anyone there.

Q: Why is your name and date of birth attached to a client list from the pharmacy?
Ankiel: I'm not sure, I don't know anything about the pharmacy.

Q: Why pick up drugs at a clinic instead of a drugstore.
Ankiel: That's the way it happened. I really don't have any further statements about this. I respect the integrity of the game and I'm on the same playing level that everyone else is on.

Q:Reporter statement that "the team would have known all along what you've been doing."
Jocketty: No. It's patient-doctor privileged information that we don't necessarily get. If there are waivers from certain players for certain ailments like that, we're not necessarily privy to that.

Q:So it wasn't prescribed by a team physician.
Jocketty: I don't know that.

Jocketty said he had contacted MLB, MLB did not contact him. "They're going to look into it, I'm sure, and let us know what their findings are." Didn't mention any names of MLB officials. Ankiel said he would be willing to cooperate with an MLB investigation, "anything that MLB wants to talk about."

Ankiel said the time frame was right after his TJ surgery.

Reporter asked if he took HGH prescribed by doctor.
Ankiel: No. I told you before, I'm not going to go into any of the medications that were prescribed to me by my doctors. "That's client and patient privilege"

End.

All things are ready if our minds be so.

by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 7, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early showers for Bush...
Cincy was 10 for 12 against him... Can Arroyo hold on?
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course he can
I mean he has an 8 run lead

cubs also down by 4

btw im not gona be able to watch the game tonight....but thats good luck everytime i dont watch the games the cards win and alberts does good, so we should be on first by tomorrow.. "knocks on wood"

by samael88 on Sep 7, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

on albert
haha i swear it's the same way for me. If i watch, he goes like 0-3 w/ a walk. i go out of town for week and hits a hr in 5 straight games

by kalmavet on Sep 7, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a day
My email program takes a flier (Outlook 2007 on Vista - total crap) so I end up wasting the day reading about ped's at veb, and chasing other story leads (and dead ends).  

The twist is we're set to hear a denial, glaus stepped up as the next scandal victim before the day was out, and the cubs and brewers are losing by a combined score of 11-0 after just 2 innings.

Here's to hoping the cards find a way to pull another one out to cap a strange day in sport.

 

Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry for the dumb post, but......
can anyone tell me what channel the game is on in STL?
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 7, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

FSMW
Starts at 8:40 CST.

by liam on Sep 7, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roger that. Thanks.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 7, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

JOKES JOKES JOKES!!!!!
This site has been way too serious and depressing today, so to lighten it up a bit, I propose that we all share the best Cubs jokes we know!

I'll give it a try:
What do bears on birth control and the world series have in common?

No Cubs!!!!
Come on, you can beat that!

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Sep 7, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Joke
I guess that's the only Cubs joke I know, then.

by liam on Sep 7, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

A quote I always enjoyed
State Rep. John F. Dunn, when arguing for lights and night games at Wrigley:  "Noise pollution can't be that much of a problem.  There's nothing to cheer about."

Did you hear about the new Cubs soda?  Two sips and then you choke.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.
I haven't had a true spit take in several years.   I read that soda joke and covered my screen in lemon iced tea.  

Well played.

by champion on Sep 7, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also
What's the difference between Pizza Hut and the Cubs bullpen?

No one's afraid to call for pizza.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert Einstein
So, Albert Einstein died and went to heaven.  Upon reaching the gates, he was met by St. Peter who informed him he would have to wait in a holding room for a while before he could enter.   St. Peter told him not to worry, there were plenty of souls there to talk with.

Albert wondered the holding room for a bit and decided to approach someone.

"Hello", Albert greeted.  "What is your IQ?"

"180." responded the woman.

"Wonderful!", replied Albert, "We can discuss the theorey of relativity."  

After a nice conversation, Albert approached a gentleman.   "Hello, sir, what is your IQ".

"135", replied the man.

"Great, we can discuss the affects of war on marco-economics."  said Albert.

With the success of the first two encounters and more time to kill, Albert Einstein approached a third man.

"Pardon me, sir, what is your IQ?", Albert inquired.

"78", responded the man.

Albert paused for a brief moment and replied, "How about those Cubs?"

by RedbirdRay on Sep 7, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

this joke only works pre-October 2006
what do (did) the Cards and Cubs have in common?
Both have yet to win a world series in their new ballpark.

of course we had to go and spoil that one.

by mattybobo on Sep 7, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

bob hope presents
Hey, fellas, this is Bob "channeled by mistake" Hope here for Pepsodent saying, if you tried PEDs and got some on your tooth, try Pepsodent and you'll clean off the proof.

Fellas it's good to be in Arizona. I've been to Arizona once, I was apprentice to a water salesman. He tried to pawn me off to some marauding nomads, but he was a terrible salesman. Terrible salesman, turned out he couldn't sell me in the desert.

I got crank called the other day. Yeah, cranked called, the joker asked me, "Do you have Prince Fielder in a can?" Of course I said yes, and he said, "Why, that's some kinda can!"

Did you hear about the new Mark McGwire biopic? Variety wanted to interview the director, but the producer was just there to talk about the cast.

You heard Jack Benny has a new sponsor, of course. That old cheapskate's got a lot in common with Jason Marquis, but I tell you what, at least he can get a Lucky Strike.

by DanUpBaby on Sep 7, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that's....
CLEVER.

Smiling ear to ear.

by tinstl on Sep 7, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pirates and Reds are kicking @$$ right now
4-0 Pittsburg over Chicago, 8-0 Cincy over Milwaukee. A win would be awesome tonight. Wainer gives us our best shot.

by lawman3842 on Sep 7, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely
I completely agree, I think we can be fueled by our crappy day today and get a win, tie for 1st.  WOOT!
"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Sep 7, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Brewers have...
brought in Capuano in the third inning of a 8-0 game  (now 10-0).

I guess they're going with Sheets-Gallardo-Suppan- Bush-Villanueva. That's actually not a bad rotation as Soup has pulled it together of late. I'd take it over what we got.

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Sep 7, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

By the way...
the Ankiel interview is up on espn.com in the short video clip menu.

by lawman3842 on Sep 7, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

TLR will turn this lemon into lemonade
I can hear it.  Everyone is against us.  There is no way that we should be in the position we're in. The media is out to get you.  Prove them wrong.  They disrespect you.

I could see this turning into a winning streak.  Even AP might be shaken out of his complacense, because he is after all the ultimate team player.  I think this latest "setback" means that we win the Division.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

albert?
complacent?    fighting injury? yes  tired? yes.  He may be coasting on the base paths, but he's been ordered to do that.  
I don't question ever question his dive.  He's a gamer.

by _pistol_ on Sep 7, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit
I don't ever question his drive.  that's what i meant

by _pistol_ on Sep 7, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't question Albert's drive either
but he hasn't been at the top of his game lately and I realize he is hurting.  But I think this unfair attack by the malevolent NY media on his teammate may spur him on.  As I said, Albert is the ultimate teammate and he will show it tonight.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert is like Bill Bixby...
on the Incredible Hulk. He always tries hard, but is only human. But when he gets angry, watch out.

Like if a pitcher comes close to hitting him. He'll wallop the next pitch for a home run. (Statistics probably don't back that up, but it sure seems like it happens a lot).

by DiscoJer on Sep 7, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups
Eckstein SS
Ankiel RF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Duncan LF
Branyan 3B
Molina C
Wainwright P
Miles 2B

RLRLLLRRS how often does tony have 3 lefties in a row?

by StLHugo on Sep 7, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Zona
Drew SS
Salazar RF
Byrnes LF
Clark 1B
Reynolds 3b
Young CF
Snyder C
Ojeda 2B
Webb P

LLRSRRRSR

by StLHugo on Sep 7, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad Rick's in there
he needs to play.  He'll be booed and mocked -- he's gotta get out there.

Wish Jimmy wasn't in.  I'd rather see Ludwick or (gasp!) Skip.

BTW, very few So sightings recently.

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the video from the Presser
I really don't think he gives a shit.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rick?
or do you mean Jimmy doesn't give a shit that I don't want him in the lineup?

If the latter, that's too bad.  I was hoping to anger him into an inspiring "Jimmy of old" performance.  Instead, I'm afraid we'll just see an "old Jimmy" performance.

by chuckb on Sep 7, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos to Tony
for not coddling the kid by sitting him. In the past, it would've been the opposite tact.

by cardsrul on Sep 7, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Decent
Glad Branyan's getting the start at third, he's blasted Webb all over the place.  

However, when Branyan is playing third, Ryan should be at SS or 2b.  There's no reason for Miles, or even Eckstein, to be getting starts ahead of Ryan.

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a lefty lineup
miles gets the nod as a switch hitter.  dunc's power wins out over skippy.  just knock webb early and often, and tlr will be swapping them around.
Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eck
is the hottest hitter on the team... other than you-kno-who, of course

by _pistol_ on Sep 7, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 lefties
On 8/28 against Woody and the Stros, the lineup was:

eckstein ss
ankiel rf
pujols 1b
edmonds cf
duncan lf
rolen 3b
molina c
looper p
miles 2b

it stuck out to me at the time that Edmonds and Duncan weren't separated by Rolen, since TLR's well-established MO is always to alternate whenever possible.

But three lefties? That is weird....apparently Webb has a nasty lefty-right split for his career. (You knew there had to be an angle to it.)

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This whole thing...
Is like Cy Young being accused of throwing a spit ball.  Who cares?  It was legal.

I feel that way about Rick and every other player including Bonds.

HGH was Legal in this country and legal in major league baseball.  Every player could have potentially had access to a legal substance so I don't see how that, or protien shakes, or anything of the like could be viewed as an unfair advantage.

Where it get's bad is illegality and rule breaking.  none of that has even been illuded to as the case.  I can't believe some of the things the national media has said with those two elephants in the room.

These aren't steroids, or the clear, of HGH in 2007, or Cocaine, or what have you.  It was a player using a substance completely allowed both in baseball and in the USA.

What a contraversy.

by bretsyboo on Sep 7, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
Many apologies for the multiple misspellings.

by bretsyboo on Sep 7, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two questions...
  1. Honestly, how would you react if the story was about Derek Lee (or another rival player)instead of Rick Ankiel?
  2. What do you think of McGwire's alleged doping?  Since steroids weren't against baseball's rules (at least explicitly), should it affect his HoF bid?
The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Sep 7, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

response...
1.I really wouldn't care if a cub did it, beyond the ability to give my friends a hard time.

2.Steroids were illegal.  Illegality, by it's nature means it is against the rules in a sport, the same as rape most likely isn't explicitly against the rules, but regardless of the legal sentence deserves a lifetime ban from baseball.  All of this is if found guilty.

As for HOF chances I fully admit the homer in me would like to see McGwire make it, and that my opinion could never be the deciding factor in this decision because of bias.

HOWEVER, if McGwire isn't voted in because of suspected steroid use, then neither should Barry.  Barry used the clear, we know it was in his body AND illegal, but mainly I hate the arguement that Barry was a HOFer BEFORE he was a cheater.  If cheating is a disqualifier than Barry's allegedly untainted stats as a rule can't save him.

by bretsyboo on Sep 7, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheers
Ankiel got cheers coming up and after he got the single.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll would bet
that the only fans that will boo him will be our division rivals.  I'm not sure anyone else cares that much.

by calico30 on Sep 7, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

YAY
Way to go Ricky!
"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Sep 7, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Cubs lose Cubs lose ...
Today I heard some Chicago sports radio wag licking his lips at the prospects of the Cubs getting a needed "breather" against the LOWLY Pirates.

As any Card fan can tell you after the recent battle-to-a-draw, they are a feisty little bunch of shooters that will overwhelm bad pitching.

by Urban Pawnee on Sep 7, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The Pirates, even though they are the
Pirates, have a few good veterans and some good looking young players.  They have a few solid pitchters, and Tony Armas, Jr. has given us fits.  What they don't have is a cohesive team, but that doesn't mean they can't play and play well sometimes......Paulino, Wilson, Freddy, LaRoche, those guys are quality hitters and decent defensively......they fired their awful GM today, so maybe they will all play great and feel like help is on the way.....they always have something to say at the end of the year.

by jillsinmo on Sep 7, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitt
makes it stand up 6-1....Cincy is up 11-3 over Milwaukee in the 9th. So we begin this game 1/2 game out of a three-way tie for 1st. Good grief.

And this game will feature the two best pitchers on either team. (Knowing the baseball gods this game will end up 14-12 by the 3rd inning....)

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

aand Dunc
struck out.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

in other news
the sun came up this morning.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way
are you freaking serious?

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i forgot jo garagiola
worked for FSN Arizona. nice to hear the old guy again. even if he & The Man hate each other.

man DUNK didn't have a chance up there. even with his 3 run double the other night he's still in a deep funk.

let's go Wagonmaker. we really need your A++++ tonight.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

whew
thought that was gone off the bat

by jeff abs on Sep 7, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

gesh Adam
man i thought that one was in the pool.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

ball took a bad hop
though he has made alot of easy errors.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Boy I'd love for them to outright release
David Eckstein. His hot hitting doesn't make up for his terrible defense.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
Start Ryan instead of Eck.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinal Starts for 2008:
Wainright
Looper
Carpenter
Franklin
Izzy

by redbird2006in on Sep 7, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you mean...
starters?
Call up Jarrett Hoffpauir!

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 7, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Izzy
Love what the man has done for us this year but that would be painful.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

r.b.
is starting a double play one of the three outcomes?

by tomsteele on Sep 7, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel like such a noob for asking...
but could someone explain the branyan "three outcomes" thing? somehow i had never heard of this before recently.
also i knew next to nothing about branyan before we signed him...

by mattybobo on Sep 7, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

homer, strike out, or DP
that's all Russel can do with a bat in his hands.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was
Home run, strike out, or walk?

by stl tyler on Sep 7, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is
Amaury Marti at the Hot Corner!

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

you could be right
i've seen him sence he came up with the Indians and then went to the Reds. and the only thing i ever saw him do was hit a homer, stike out, or hit into a DP. but i'm usualy wrong so this is probably no different.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

if only I could get the hang of posting links
but I think I may be a lost cause
Amaury Marti at the Hot Corner!

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're "Three True Outcomes"
Because they involve no-one but the pitcher and hitter. They're "True Outcomes" in Fielding Independent Pitching Theory, whereas balls-in-play results are dependent on the defenders in the field, luck, etc.

by liam on Sep 7, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, what liam said
that is better than a link anyway
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice try YADDA
almost dude. almost.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF?
What in the hell was that?  He should've been out at the plate by a mile!
"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Sep 7, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Ank
An absolute rocket. Hit the dirt on short hop right on Yadi and he couldn't handle it. My goodness that thing was humming though.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have just got to quit checking out the blogs
on profiles. Too many good ones. I suppose Andie's is good even if it is for GIRLS.
Amaury Marti at the Hot Corner!

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truman Grads Unite!
I'm class of '00 from Truman.

by liam on Sep 7, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's happening?
"In Play, runs"
Please tell me Brandon Webb didn't just hit a home run.

by calico30 on Sep 7, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Grounder to 3rd
Branyan under threw it, ball rolled into left field, Ankiel launched it to the plate and Molina bobbled it and the runner jumped over Molina and scored.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he didnt so much as jump over YADDA
as he ran into YADDA, & YADDA flipped him. nice try by YADDA though as he was trying to get a handle on the ball. it almost worked.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slow dribbler
To Branyan. He threw it away past Albert. Ank backed it up and threw a rocket home that beat the runner by a mile but Yadi couldn't handle the short hop.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two errors
Not a good start for the infield. Miles is due.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone watching the Braves game?
Some idiot ran out on the field and security ran to tackle him and as they were going down the security gaurd hit his head on the groung and has been down like 15 minutes. They brought out the stretcher, but as i type he finally got up.

by CyWagonMaker on Sep 7, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh
Why can't we have this kind of defense?

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Just can't let that first pitch go by, can we?
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

that was painfully quick
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Eck robbed.
..

Anyone else bothered by all the billboards behind home plate? I think if they try hard enough they might be able to squeeze in a few more.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Ronnie "the Tongue" Belliard
broke up a no hitter by Smoltz leading off the top of the 8th inning. FWIW.

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Byrnes
Why did he keep going?

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

byrnesy was out by 10 feet.
thanks dude. thanks a lot.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent
Come one Byrnes... Eck lobs it but not that slow.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on...
damn typo

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

we really need to stop
swinging at the first pitch.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
he was flying around the bases, lol

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

JIMMY!
Man love time.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

AND JIMMY TIES THE BALLGAME
sawweeeet.

now that's the Jimmy of old. boy we've missed you dude. please pull up a chair and sit a spell. we really need you bro.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

The SWEETEST swing in baseball. . .
just my opinion.
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

BOOM!!!
I have more emotion in old broke jimmy's ABs then anybody else. JIMMAY!!!

by rocKStark5 on Sep 7, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

got that one right al
Throwing it back, that is without a doubt the dumbest new tradition is baseball. Why would people follow the lead of Cubs' fans anyway?
Amaury Marti at the Hot Corner!

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

what's dumb about it?
I've always admired it, actually....kind of a collective thing, a way to show the home team that the fans are still into it. I know a lot of people don't like it but I always thought it made perfect sense....

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought the flub fans
threw balls back because they were interrupting the kegger they were having in the stands, instead of paying attention to the game.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have always hated it
probably because it seems to start in Wrigley and moved out from there. We all know nothing good can come out of Wrigley. Plus I kinda like home run balls. If the other team hits it, just give it to a kid.
Amaury Marti at the Hot Corner!

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's no doubt about it
it started at wrigley.

i dont care who hits it. if i'm in the stands and am lucky enough to catch a home run. there is no way in hell i'm throwing it back. the crowd is going to have to throw me on the field because i ain't giving that ball up.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

giving it to a kid
That's one thing....but I'm not going to freak out over a baseball....you can just go down to the store and buy those....I've always thought of it as a way to buck up the pitcher who just yielded the HR, or a way to thumb your nose at the guy who hit it.

Giving it to a kid is probably the best thing to do though.

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Keeper
I've had this article in my favorites for a long, long time.

by liam on Sep 7, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Webb
really does have trouble with lefties.

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

darren takins shots at
Adam's ability to hit.

show him what you got Adam.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

bad swings
both yadi and adam had craptastic swings at balls out of the strike zone, make this guy get you out, dont give him Ks

by StLHugo on Sep 7, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

completly agree
YADDA & Adam got themselves out. both were up there trying to do too much instead of just taking what Webb gave them.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice play
from branyan

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

the wagonmker
picked off Young(I think)
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops
Wainer got him, not Yadi....my mistake....

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweeeet
nice pick off boys.

now go get some f'ng runs!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

nice
nice bunt by Miles.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

"get the salt&pepper
and take a bite of it."

wtf does that mean joe?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

is that a
let's go rick chant?

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

i thought it was Hgh, Hgh
i must be cynical
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No
I'm pretty sure it didn't sound like that

by saladdays on Sep 7, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

good
I have always liked the fine folks in Phoenix, now I won't feel bad about going back
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

slow it down, guys, take your time
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

small ball and a big pickup
nice team work.
Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

WOO
Albert!!!!  Makes my signature apropos.....
"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Sep 7, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

do you have a sig handy
for back to back World Championships?
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counselor,
that's a good one!

Now let's hope the Wainer is a man of his word.

by kwhiteside on Sep 7, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

2-1
The Man with an RBI. And now Jimmy Baseball is up again....

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

nice RBI Albert!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Man,
a lot of Cards fans in attendance.

by saladdays on Sep 7, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Phoenix is good Redbird country
As is most of the flyover territory between California and Missouri.  It is all thanks to the clear signal of KMOX.  Too bad no one west of St. Louis can get the games any more.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

internet man, get over it
the whole world is cardinal country now.
Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's a damn good thing, because that was
about as shortsighted a decision as the Cardinals have ever made--K(ards') T(oy) R(adio) S(tation).

Meanwhile, keep it up, lads. 12 more outs 'til first place, in what would be one of the most unlikely comeback stories in sport for quite some time--no matter how bad the NL Central is, or whether or not St. Louis winds up winning the division...

by kwhiteside on Sep 7, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

South, too...
When I lived in Florida, I would often listen to night games on my car radio.  I now live probably 30 miles south of St. Louis, in Jefferson County, and the signal quality is about the same.

by DiscoJer on Sep 7, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

eck has range!!
great acceleration and back hand grab.
Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

eck has range?
maybe this is a good sign
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice play David
Wainwright is settling in.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Gametime update
Pitches-strikes: Wainwright 74-45, Webb 73-48.
Ground outs-fly outs: Wainwright 8-4, Webb 7-3.
Batters faced: Wainwright 18, Webb 22.
Umpires: HP: Larry Poncino. 1B: Jim Wolf. 2B: Jerry Meals. 3B: Gary Darling.
Weather: 77 degrees, roof closed.
Wind: 0 mph, None.

5IP 4H for both pitchers

0ER for AW and 2ER for DW 1BB to 3BB and 1SO to 5SO lastly 0HR to 1HR

by StLHugo on Sep 7, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I really need to learn to turn down the volume
on commercials. That fox one is killing me slowly.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt....
someone here at ANY time has said something  like I read over at the Cubs blog BCB.

This was in reference to Rick's amazing September and the issue that went down today.

I think it went something like this in reference to Rick when he goes to Wrigley.

-Just throw at his head, he is obviously a head case, so put one in his ear.  He forgot how to pitch he'll probably never want to hit again-

I dunno that just makes me sick.  Joking or not joking. I read that sometime this afternoon.  I remember most of the post because of the throw it as his head part.

Ugh.

by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

seriously?
were you here last weekend at all? (not snark, just asking) some pretty vile stuff, even on here. i'll grant you that the community swiftly invoked the guidelines, but i guess i'm saying there are classless individuals everywhere.

by acham8206 on Sep 7, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes I agree 100%
And mind you I have only viewed this blog for 2 years, albeit everyday.  And some posters (perhaps even myself) have said some pretty bad things.  I don't think I have ever read a post here about intentionally hurting or taking out a player like that.

That's not to say there hasn't been one though, I could be wrong.  There is payback etc, then there is beaning to the head.  I think you would agree there is a difference.  But I am going to disagree with you that this blog isn't innocent.

by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This weekend
There is a reason Curtflood isn't here anymore.  He advocated taking out one of our own players.  So yes even here.

by StLHugo on Sep 7, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

bcb even has a diary up now
about the hypocracy of Cardinal fans (at veb)discussing fan ettiquette.  examples were sited.

not our best hour.

Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 7, 2007 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, hell...
fuck 'em.
Hello, playoff mosey

by Alxfritz on Sep 8, 2007 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i know its a repeat
but where the beep is ryan at? that kid needs to play.
. . .I'm your huckleberry. . .

by joshbdork on Sep 7, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Initials?
Maybe it is because he isn't the only guy with R and B in his initials anymore?  Tony gets confused and instead of putting BR he puts an RB and never changes it?

by StLHugo on Sep 7, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does
he do that with Flores and Franklin then too?

by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have concluded
that Molina cannot hit sinkerball pitchers.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I was arguing with a buddy...
today at work.  I say on a 1 hop hard grounder to Jose Reyes from Molina, Reyes could beat Molina to 1st.  Who's with me?  ;-)

by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha
He could.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you'd just be taking our money
if we bet against you!
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha
Maybe they can make that an event during All-Star weekend.

by tomsteele on Sep 7, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jack Buck once said this about Kenny Reitz, and it
unfortunately could apply to Yadi:

"If he was in a race with a pregnant woman, he'd come in third."

by kwhiteside on Sep 7, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

in that scenario
reyes could:

-run backward
-hop on one foot
-do the potato sack thing
-moonwalk
-pull a sharpie out of his sock and sign autographs for all the other infielders

and still beat molina.

by acham8206 on Sep 7, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i asked the other day
if it wasn't about time we asked good old Bud if YADDA could run with a jet pack on. its really not funny any more.

poor YADDA.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

after the nlcs-winning homer,
dude can run as slow as he wants. forever.

just havin' a little fun on a frustrating day.

by acham8206 on Sep 7, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe, that is not a play that will get
"lost in the playbook".  He could have stayed in the grass waiting for the ball and STILL have thrown out Yadi!
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

hometown announcers
First time posting here in a while, but I have to say...

Is it just me or are these announcers pretty bad? Commending your team for throwing out Molina on a grounder? Eeshh...

by Pujols Shot Ya on Sep 7, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that just means we have to
take the lead back again!
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Byrnes is annoying but good
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

So
did Eck really save a run or did his lack of range and weak arm result in a cheap infield single?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think anyone makes that out
it was a pretty decent play

by jeff abs on Sep 7, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT
THE

HELL

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Told you
Miles was due. Trifecta of errors. (Although yes, the db is not assumed so no official error)

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols
He's the only one who hasn't made one in the infield.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell the truth
is there a more unathletic keystone combination than Eck and Miles?  Miles stumbles over the bag and costs us a run?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

What in the name of ****
was Miles thinking about???????
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Waino out probably
He is approaching 100 and due up so I guess he is out after this.  3 R 2 ER not bad if he keeps it at this.

by StLHugo on Sep 7, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

We look like bumbling idiots.
This should be a 2-1 game against Brandon Webb.  Instead I've gotta listen to the DBacks announcer drop cliche after cliche and wax poetic about how everything is 'epic' that the DBacks do.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

dude it's darren sutton
what'd you expect?

at least joe garagiola is kind of funny. darren's just a jackass.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 7, 2007 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Webb out too
How many pitches did he have?

by saladdays on Sep 7, 2007 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

86.
Schu! Surprised they pulled Webb.

by paCardsFan on Sep 7, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

not
what i had in mind.

c'mon eck. set it up for ank.

by acham8206 on Sep 7, 2007 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Why wasn't Miles bunting?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Why wasn't Miles bunting
why wasn't Schu stealing?
why wasn't Eck trying to hit a linedrive?
why didn't Schu try to steal with Ankiel up?

cause we go station to station like it's cool.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rick, a little magic, if you please.
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Will Albert ever hit another home run?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Ankiel's done.
Skippy just replaced him.

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Well that's brilliant
I'm sure in a 1 run game he'll have no chance of ever batting again.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look out Mr. Pujols, don't stand on the freeway
Does Darren Sutton really think Ojeda is going to light Pujols up?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
more like "Darren Sutton, don't run into a brick wall."
"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Sep 7, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scotty Come Home
With every "near miss" throw to first by Branyan, I miss Scotty and his defense just that much more.
"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains."

by AustinBOB on Sep 7, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Double Switches
in Sept. don't make a lot of sense to me -- especially when it involves removing the team's hottest hitter.

by LuBrock20 on Sep 7, 2007 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe to switch out a poor defensive player when
holding a late lead. You and Hardcore are right; this didn't exactly fit the criteria, especially with a veritable brigade on the bench and in the pen...

by kwhiteside on Sep 7, 2007 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent point
With a deep bench in September why do it?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uuuuuummmmmm......
way off topic but I just went out on the deck for a smoke (I know, nasty habit) and just saw my backyard nieghbor having sex with his wife on the couch.

I really really really wish I was making that up.  But unfortunately I'm not.  Man, that was wierd.  I'll admit it right now...I looked more than once.  Who does that and doesn't close the blinds?

Pujols double !!!  

by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

So I'm guessing
they aren't attractive people?  ;-)

by saladdays on Sep 7, 2007 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

zing
maybe they want you to see.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 7, 2007 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha!
I had a guitar player once who worked and lived in distant sections of town, so he'd park on the street or in my driveway and grab a nap sometimes before practice....

One day my roommate calls me into the kitchen and asks if I know whose car that is in the driveway....I look out and see my guitar player's bare ass bumping against the windshield....4:30 in the afternoon, broad daylight, adjacent to the alley the whole block had to use to park....this guy (married, natch) was banging some blonde he'd met at a bar after work....he ended up getting mad at me because my roommate told the rest of the band.

Hilarity ensued....

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually once at a hotel
my brother noted a simliar story, and i said he was making it up..well he wasnt there room faced the openess of those fundome holiday inn things u know the ones with like put put in doors and games in the middle..it was way after lights out and stuff but anyone down there could see..so maybe some want it that way or maybe its the same people
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Sep 8, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK Dunc
a nice fly ball will suffice.....just get under one and hit it hard enough.

by nota bene on Sep 7, 2007 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on Dunc...
...gotta bring 'em home.  First Place there for the taking...

by glennrwordman on Sep 7, 2007 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

like the rest of this board
i still wish B ryan would be a regular or maybe most of the board...
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Sep 7, 2007 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Branyan
has sucked all night.  What does he do here?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

sqeeze
or more likely, a K.

he could get ahole of one though.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 7, 2007 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

God Almighty! Sit this zero down!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

PH Ryan here
with their strikeout tendencies, I'd PH Ryan here.  I think he gives you a better chance of a ball in play, and less of one of a GIDP.

by CardFaninVA on Sep 7, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

work the count, work the count, work the count
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Rather
would have rolen up during shoulder surgery

by zolak16 on Sep 7, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

uuuuuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhh
why did we get this guy

by Pujols on Sep 7, 2007 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

branyan
can hang with kip rest of the year he is not good

by zolak16 on Sep 7, 2007 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

that. . .was. . .just. . .PATHETIC!!!!!!
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

How accurate
was Gameday -- did Branyan really swing at 2 pitches THAT far out of the strike zone?

by LuBrock20 on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

they
were pretty good curves, but yes.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains."

by AustinBOB on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. He's that bad.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

GODDAMMIT
YADI?!?!  WTF????
"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

don't blame yadie..
blame Larussa.. why on earth would you not pinch hit for Branyan there?

by outraged on Sep 7, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

blame Yadi a little
swinging on the first pitch, a bad one at that
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher(did he know Kips Wells?)

by mattyfrommo on Sep 8, 2007 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

OH MY SWEET LORD!!!
What is WRONG with these people??????
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Branyan and Kip - a combination for the ages
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

have they ever faced each other?
the universe would collapse on itself due to the massive suckitude

by jeff abs on Sep 7, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 8, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you must know, the results from B-P Play Index
Russell Branyan v. Kip Wells: 39 PA, 29 AB, 12 H, 3 2B, 5 HR, 10 RBI, 9 BB, 9 SO, .414 BA, .564 OBP, 1.034 SLG, 1.598 OPS, 3 IBB, 1 HBP, 0 GDP.

Methinks Kippy turns tail and runs.

by kwhiteside on Sep 8, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we lose?
How is TLR not 100% to blame?

by Pujols for MVP on Sep 7, 2007 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

tlr?
how about 2.5 errors?

by twentyfour on Sep 8, 2007 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see
where you'd hold TLR accountable for letting Branyan bat in that situation, but Yadi swining at the first pitch there is on Yadi.

by LuBrock20 on Sep 8, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty standard for Yadi
It's a Caribbean thing.  You wouldn't understand.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 8, 2007 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm shocked no one is blaming Duncan...
For taking a walk instead of hitting a fly ball. Seems like everything is always his fault these days, ever since Wonder-Rick was called up.

by DiscoJer on Sep 8, 2007 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed
no reason not to have Ryan in the lineup tonight, screw the LR/RL matchups from here on out, this club HAS to have defense to stay in this thing. If they lose this should be on TLR...how can a guy that is so great be such an awful judge of talent, evidently TLR is watching different players than everyone else! His micromgmt is exhausting!  

by buzzburton33 on Sep 8, 2007 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That may be it for tonight
PH
Miles
Eckstein
Schumaker

next inning.  Not exactly awe inspiring.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 7, 2007 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Now, I consider myself a pretty positive
person (even with the 2007 Cardinals), but. . .

are we REALLY going to blow the chance to be in a three-way tie for first place????????

Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 8, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Molina might have concussion
took a shot to the head from the ball.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

YADDA, how many fingers
am i holding up?

what's your name?

what city are we in?

why didn't Tony PH for Russ last half inning?

if he can answer 3 of those questions, he's OK.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

hell.. if he can only answer the one
about letting Russ hit, I'd let him play ;)

by outraged on Sep 8, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

double switches
OK ... if Johnson is only going to pitch 1 inning then I really don't understand the double switch

by thomaslj on Sep 8, 2007 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly my point
in an earlier post.  Who off the bench will give us a better shot in the 9th (if someone gets on)than Rick would have?

by LuBrock20 on Sep 8, 2007 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi, I really appreciate your grit. . .
but, if you are hurt, take yourself out of the game.  We need you HEALTHY!!!!!
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 8, 2007 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

was gonna post this when i saw the cubs and mIL
were down..lately it has been the formula..cubs mil lose so do card, they win cards lose.
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Sep 8, 2007 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

awesome
just awesome

by Pujols on Sep 8, 2007 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

well that sucks
hell of a time to give up your second home run frank.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

re: La Russa's fault
the guys on the field still have to perform....I don't think leaving Branyan in was a bad decision at all. The idea is to get the guy up there that gives you the best chance to win. That's all the manager can do....you can argue that Ryan might have done better but that isn't guaranteed. Branyan needs to get some ABs so we see what he can do when it counts....obviously that wasn't too terrific but I recall that Branyan homered in his first game and everybody on this board was pretty upbeat about that....now he strikes out and he's so obviously terrible it's the manager's fault for letting him bat?

A little perspective, people....

by nota bene on Sep 8, 2007 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

here's what i dont like about it
Russ was either going to hit a homer, strike out or hit into a DP. that's it. now, what are the chances he hits a home run? uh probably close to slim & none.

now a hitter like Ryan has a much better chance of slapping the ball the other way for a single and getting the run in from 3rd. that right there is the only reason why i would have PH Ryan for Russ.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

if I were managing
I may have called for Ryan there, I dunno. But you can't say for 100% certain that Branyan is going to HR, K, or GIDP. Forget a base hit--all he frigging needed to do was hit a fly ball and the game was tied. A slap hitter only helps if he hits the ball, which Ryan could just as easily have K'd too.

As I mentioned below, I think removing Ankiel early (in favor of Schumaker?!?) is dumb, but letting Branyan hit didn't cost us the game....

by nota bene on Sep 8, 2007 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think it cost us the game
it's a 100% judgment call. one they pay Tony millions for. it's a coin flip. one the Cards lost tonight.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
You can hardly blame TLR for the 1 (or 2) unearned runs, and I'm not convinced that any other batter would have obviously been better than Banyon, but ...

STL has 63 unearned runs this season, second only to Florida I believe.  I'm not used to STL playing such poor defense.

by thomaslj on Sep 8, 2007 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hence...
tonights lineup in the 1st place.

by buzzburton33 on Sep 8, 2007 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

letting Branyan hit there
was a really bad decision.  Really bad.  I don't think that Ryan was necessarily the answer; he certainly wasn't a guarantee, but didn't we all see that one coming.

Branyan is the classic three true outcomes player -- he leads baseball in the % of his PA's that end up as a BB, a K, or a HR.  46.7% of his PA's end up as one of those 3 true outcomes.  Lyon averages 2.91 BB/9 and an unbelievably low .28 HR/9.  He wasn't going to homer there so we had to hope for a walk.  The likelihood of a K there was really high and we needed someone who could get us a flyball or at least put the ball in play and give us a chance.  Branyan is the worst in baseball in putting the ball in play.

It's not all Tony's fault we lost, of course, but the decision to go w/ Branyan in that PA was horrible and, IMO, indefensible.

by chuckb on Sep 8, 2007 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

well when you put it that way
and show us those # then yes, very bad move on Tony's part. now does Tony have access to these # during the games?

so h-town, who would you have hitting there? LUD?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would've used Ludwick
or maybe even So.  Not necessarily Ryan -- he would've come in for defense but I would trust Ludwick or So much more in that situation.  We needed a hit or a fly ball and I'd trust one of those 2 to get it.

by chuckb on Sep 8, 2007 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's it.
Good night fellas
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 8, 2007 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

[Dandy Don Meredith]
Turn out the lights.......the party's over....

by LuBrock20 on Sep 8, 2007 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Come on guys!
game's over after 27 outs, not 24!
You probably said the season was over at the All-Star Break too.
Let's go Cards!
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Sep 8, 2007 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed
the key word in "play a hard nine" is nine....

by nota bene on Sep 8, 2007 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where is Joey G with the 'hotdog' comment
tonight?  He was sure quick to call Ozzie and Andujar hotdogs in the World Series, why is Velverde 'exciting'?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

i'm betting it has some thing to do with
who signs his pay checks.

and that was right after he & Stan got into it so he really wasn't welcome back in the STL to begin with.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

7 blown saves?
doesn't sound like the "best" to me.  Let's make it 8 boys!!!!
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Sep 8, 2007 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

valverde
this guy's only 6/7 on saves.  be patient and get baserunners.

by twentyfour on Sep 8, 2007 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

and Miles gets a hit
these Cards make my head hurt.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

2005
exact same situation as the 2005 nlcs.  let's ruin another career.

by twentyfour on Sep 8, 2007 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Miles
1B

If you're going to criticize La Russa, IMHO it'd have to be for removing Ankiel early....it'd be nice to have somebody who's been hitting homers bat in this half-inning, eh?

by nota bene on Sep 8, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed.
if branyan's batting 'cause of the hr potential, why is ank out?

by acham8206 on Sep 8, 2007 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

ankiel
probably should be getting ready to bat if cards had been smart

by zolak16 on Sep 8, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

damn
this is the first time i have been really disappointed in this team in quite awhile, poor defense and poor managing

by truemun12 on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Eck
you were real swell tonight.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

well at least i'm dont have to
listen to Darren any more.

Cards really should have won tonight. this one hurts.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

tomorrow
They shall tie cubs and brewers

by zolak16 on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Could have been a 3-way tie. . .
just do NOT understand these guys!!!!!!
Sooner or later it all comes down to faith. . . THEN performance.

by faninexile on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

errors
errors killed us tonight.

and poor managing.  

by Pujols on Sep 8, 2007 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

well shit
Eckstein GIDP. Arrgh.

Just rendered moot taking Ank out of the game.....

by nota bene on Sep 8, 2007 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

"HOW YOU LIKIN' ME NOW?!?!"
Darren Sutton is a huge douche and I never use that word.  Why don't players just punch him in the face?  He acts like a guy who is 'untouchable'.

He starts talking up the DBacks 1st base coach because Oquendo dropped a foul groundball?

Seriously Sutton, go play in traffic.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Golden oppurtunity
tonight & TLR puts his B team defense on the field. Right or wrong, I blame Tony for this one.

by buzzburton33 on Sep 8, 2007 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

It's the same defense he has been putting out
there for a month.  Other than Ryan for Branyan, it was the same use of 2 below average middle infielders he has been doing for awhile.

It won't change, I don't know why we complain anymore.  We have Barden and Ryan, two young infielders who are pretty good with their gloves, yet in September with a deep bench, Eckstein and Miles get to play the full 9.

Good stuff.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade
In the off-season, how much do you think we could get for Eck? lol

by Pujols on Sep 8, 2007 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eck is a free agent
there will be no trade.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stated above
that there was no reason Ryan shoudlnt have gotten the start in the 1st place.

by buzzburton33 on Sep 8, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tough one to lose and
yeah this was a missed chance to get in first. But the Cubs and Brewers both lost so we didn't loose any ground.

Our season is going to come down to that 4 game series vs. the Cubs at home next weekend more than likely anyways.  If we can manage to stay within 2 games of them by then we still have a good chance.

I think we will have a better game tomorrow, and I have a feeling that Ryan will be playing 3rd.

by KYCards on Sep 8, 2007 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

boy we sure could have used
Hard Hittin Mark Whitten tonight uh?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

How about Jim Edmonds though?
What got into that guy?  He hasn't swung like that in years.  I thought he actually gave us the lead with that drive in the 8th.  Hadn't hit anything with authority like that in a long time.  It was even better than the HR ball.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

he & the Cards
are way over due for one of his month + long hot streaks where he carries the team on to the promise land.

here's hoping tonight was the start of such a streak.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2007 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who pitched better?
Webb or Wainwright?

6IP 6H 3R 2ER 2BB 1SO 0HR
6IP 4H 2R 2ER 4BB 5SO 1HR

Both gave up 2ER (if only you can assume DPs then it would be 1 for Wain but you can't) both gave up 8 baserunners for a 1.33 WHIP and a 3.00ERA.  Great pitching, difference like everyone said was the defense behind them, Cards played sloppy yet again (what happened to this excellent defensive team?)

by StLHugo on Sep 8, 2007 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Not to be Debbie Downer
but we ain't movin' into 1st tonight:

Dumbrano vs Snell
Suppan vs Harang
Looper vs Owings

Both Snell and Zambrano have been shaky as of late but Zambrano is coming off of being boo'd out of the stadium.  He's out to 'prove' something.  Harang is suffering from severe arm fatigue and has been giving up large swaths of runs I hadn't come to expect from him.

Looper vs Owings, I really don't know.  When Looper is on, he shuts teams down.  When he isn't, you are peaking at the game through your fingers.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 8, 2007 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

True
But we've never faced Owings before, which could be bad, save that we pounded the last righty we'd never seen before.

And Harang should beat the Brewers.  I think the Cub game could go either way.

I'd say it's 50/50 we get into first.

by Cardinal70 on Sep 8, 2007 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

12.5 %
[cubs losing] x [brewers losing] x [cardas winning]
50/50 x 50/50 x 50/50 = 1/8
From Curaçao, the friendly island in the Caribbean

by Johnny64 on Sep 8, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

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