Scrubs, Studs, and Swamp Gas
I have to say, one of the things that, in retrospect, really annoys me about that Kip Wells loss (aside from all of the typical complaints one would have about Kip Wells vomiting up a loss) was that, if the Cardinals had to take one loss against the Pirates, I would just as soon have it come at the hands of Matt Morris. I always completely loved what that guy did for the team, and it still makes me sad to see him in another uniform or to see Piñeiro wear his number. Watching him and Darry Kile anchor an actual resurgent rotation in the early aughts is something that will always give me a bit of joy.
However, the team now has an actual, honest to goodness, winning record. The claim, however, that their success is a result of other teams giving up more than them succeeding, however is correct. As of August first, they were six games out in the central, with a 50-54 record. Since then, they have played at a 18-13 (.580) clip. Over this time period, they have scored 145 runs, and allowed 120, good for a .590 Pythagorean. Considering a couple of the crazy blowout losses we've seen at the hands of the likes of Pittsburgh and Houston, and the damage to the Pythagorean record that they created, this makes the fact that the team has underperformed it's Pythagorean record all the more surprising. But it remains, .580 or .590 shouldn't be enough for a losing team to dig itself out of a six game hole. Yet, here we are.
And I think the same argument I made last year applies to the team this year, should we make the postseason--the weakness of this team has been the back of the rotation, and that is the part of the team that has almost zero effect on the performance of the postseason squad. When people talk about the Cardinals improbable postseason run, relative to their regular season performance, they rarely, if ever, talk about the simple improvement that removing bipolar betty from the rotation had upon the team's prospects. Similarly, out of eighty five qualifiers, Kip "Kippersley" Wells is eighty second in ERA, and unlike the others, he's had relief appearances to lower that number. Removing that guy from the postseason roster will instantly improve the Cardinals' run differential far more than it will for any other team that they will face (almost noone else in the bottom ten in ERA is on a postseason-bound squad, beyond Jaime Moyer and Adam Eaton of the Phillies).
Which brings us back to pitching at the top of the rotation. We won't have Carpenter to anchor the team this year, but Wainwright has shown himself to be solid, and Mr. B.Looper has shown that he can step up from time to time--particularly over this stretch where the team has come back into contention. Similarly, Piñeiro has shown that he can be a solid major league starter, at least over his five or six starts for the team. So that leaves us with Mr. Swamp Gas, Mark Mulder himself. He is probably m ore of a cypher than he has been in the past. His minor league debacles last year were a pretty clear indication that he was going to be horrible last year when he came back. He's managed to avoid those this year--he was pretty dominant for palm beach, and he really got the groundballs for Memphis, and also had a decent overall start, so that's an indication that his sinker is probably working again. There is a good chance that he might be back to his old ways by next year, and that he could be 2005 Mark Mulder this year. If that's the case, a rotation of Wainwright, Looper, Mulder and Piñeiro could be solid in the postseason. At least solid enough to let Branyan, Pujols, Ankiel and Duncan to try to make some offensive plays.
Or perhaps, to see if Jimmy E has some of that old magic left in him.
I know it's not realistic for this team to make it very far in the postseason, but once again, I"m just making the argument that our current scrubs 'n studs roster makeup has the distinct advantage of creating a team that is much tougher in a short series than it is in the regular season, as it allows Tony to simply cut off the fat when the games start becoming elimination games.
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Sorry, but I'll be very hard to
Any particular reason?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i watched that game
Pedro 's Age > Mulder's Age
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
true
by jeff abs on Sep 5, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
could be wrong on this ....
by sjoshi on Sep 5, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Paranoia, and a lifetime of
by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 5, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't want to out you
LOL!
Cardinals license plate frame on vehicle: check
Annual pilgrimage to STL to see at least 2 games yearly: check
Attendance at all Cardinals-Nationals games at RFK stadium in DC: check
2006 Cardinals World Champion screensaver: check
Way too much time spent worrying about Kip Wells: check
Nah, I'm a Redbird guy through and through. But my fandom started in 1973, and that decade left scars on my psyche that will never heal.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 5, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i share your pessimism
i'm hopeful for next year though.
Cutting off the fat
by CardFaninVA on Sep 5, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
Well, a lot of people might disagree
and then cut TLR off at knees if Wainer's elbow gets sore.
umm...
Any start could cause that
Offense
Yeah, I'm a worrier. It's what I do.
Anyone who wants to win free tix for tonight......
Sports Editor over at STLToday has a rick hummel trivia question, winner gets the tickets. I have no idea what the answer is.
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
Speaking of tix
(And my apologies for craiglisting VEB)
day game or night game?
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with VA
Experiments are for spring, not September in a heated three horse sprint to the wire.
Without Mulder,
but unfortunately...
it is really hard to decide between those first five names as to which is better or which is worse. i wouldn't mind seeing something like the 8-man quad cities piggyback rotation instituted with the bottom 6 in this rotation. start the reliable ones on their regular days, and start the others on the remaining days, with the non-starting starters in the bullpen ready in the wings at the first real sign of trouble.
by willievinceterry on Sep 5, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
A horse sprint to the finish?
Man,
I'll never forget carrying the lighter for this woman in a wheelchair with no legs so she could smoke, and having another woman--who'd had a stroke and couldn't talk--with a cigarette dangling from her lips making incoherent noises that I believe were her begging me for a light.
So, kids, don't smoke.
The rotation
Well, the experiment
I'm kind of waiting for his arm to fall right off there on the mound. I mean, Mulder not injured? That doesn't happen, does it?
Mulder
by yer dog first on Sep 5, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point, Val
Mulder's return
But I still have the feeling that he can play out the rest of this year somewhat like Weaver did last; getting progressively better to the end, and ready for playoffs. We will need the timely hitting and solid pen to keep us in this thing. But then we have Pujols and Izzy, oh and Roy Hobbs too.
Show us you're back Mark. We're rooting for you.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions
i will take
http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html
Speed Gun
Does anybody know if they plan to do that tonight?
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
Pretty sure
It wasn't realistic
I'm gearing up to attend another first home game of the NLCS (current streak - 3).
TSF
Under our current playoff system,
Is that
(If it was, you know that's not what I was getting at, right? :-) )
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Sep 5, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Splits
by badseed on Sep 5, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
I wrote down the splits for myself
The splits I wrote down are as follows:
Cards: 17 games away; 24 games at home
Cubs: 23 games away; 16 games at home
Brewers: 21 games away; 16 games at home
Also since the all star break, we have 2 more games to play than the cubs and 4 more games to play than the Brewers (we had 41 games in total, cubs have 39 games in total, and Brewers have 37 in total).
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
W-L record splits
oops, sorry about that
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Related
since the percentage of our wins at home
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
splits
by badseed on Sep 5, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Projections
I heard somewhere that tlr had used over 100 different starting lineups this season. Anybody have a real number on that?
The best part of bcb is that they do keep bleeding.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineups?
Most used Orders:
3 Games
1. Eckstein 2. Duncan 3. Pujols 4. Rolen 5. Edmonds 6. Wilson 7. Kennedy 8. Molina 9. Pitcher
3 Games
1. Eckstein 2. Taguchi 3. Pujols 4. Encarnacion 5. Rolen 6. Ludwick 7. Molina 8. Miles 9. Pitcher
Most common lineup:
6 Games
C. Molina
1B. Pujols
2B. Miles
3B. Rolen
SS. Eckstein
LF. Ludwick
CF. Taguchi
RF. Encarnacion
Pitcher
If FB is any sort of prediction...
And anecdotally - I've been benching starters against the Cardinals since about the break - it's payed off with Lilly, Hudson, and others - didn't work out 2 nights ago against Snell, but I still believe in believing.
by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
by PolancoMcEwing on Sep 5, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to know
by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Post ASB
Brewers are 14-13 at home (.519) and 7-16 on the road (.304)
Cards are 17-8 at home (.680) and 11-14 on the road (.440)
I might do more math later to figure out records but for now the Cards are 28-22 PASB (.560) Cubs are 26-24 (.520) and Brewers are 21-29 (.420). Cards are first place for the second half title right now, if we play at our current pace it is our division to lose.
If
Cubs will go 5-4 at home, 8-8 on the road.
Brewers will go 6-5 at home and 4-9 on the road.
Cards will go 9-4 at home and 6-8 on the road.
This will give Cards and Cubs a tie for the division with 83 wins and the Brewers 80 wins.
Remaining schedules
Brew Crew: 11 home
(Astros-1, Reds-3, Cards-3, Pads-4)
13 road
(Reds-3, Pirates-3, Astros-3, Braves-4)
Small Bears: 9 home
(Dodgers-2, Cards-1, Reds-3, Pirates-3)
16 road
(Pirates-3, Astros-3, Cards-4, Marlins-3, Reds-3)
Good Guys: 13 home
(Pirates-2, Cubs-4, Phils-3, Astros-4)
14 road
(Snakes-3, Cubs-1, Reds-3, Brewers-3, Mets-1, Pirates-3)
So both the Brewers and the Cards have better home/road splits to end the season than the cubbies. But, the Brewers have to travel to Atlanta and finish the season with San Diego (4 games against each) while the Cards face Arizona for three and get the Phillies in for three here. The Cubs have the fewest "non-NL Central" games left, the two with LA this week and three on the road in Florida.
To me, it looks like the Brewers may have the toughest remaining schedule (other than the fact that the Cards play more games than there are days left in the season!).
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 5, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I can take solace in the fact that they have 6 left (3 home, 3 away) against the Reds, who for some reason seem to own the Cubs.
We need to start by winning these last two against Pittsburgh.
Yep,
If we can at least stay where we are through the current series, the Cubs will have only 7 home games and 16 road games left (vs. our 11/14).
Another thing to note, we are "tied for first" presently when you look at the loss column. I don't know if I ever thought we'd get there.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 5, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Splits
That made me believe more than ever that you can't figure this game out (sorry Scotty), and you can't predict it. Thinking back on that, I guess I shouldn't have been so surprised when we won the WS. I would like to believe in my heart that the race will come down to who has "it", because I know the Cardinals have it. But the statistician in my believes that it's pretty much chance (i.e. luck).
Here's hoping Mulder can make a positive impact and push this team over the edge into October!
Remember folks,
I see from the roto sidebar
I was just about to post that
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
40
Even with those changes we are still at 40 (our 40 man roster is either screwed up or we were over for a few days)
Changes that can easily be made to get Mulder on tonight: Kennedy can hit the 60 day, JRod could be put on the 60 day (not sure how that works since he is already on the milb DL).
40 man roster peeps not on the active:
Cate, Hawksworth, Dove, Haerther, JRod, Rolen and Kennedy
Here is a breakdown
Do Not Count Towards 40-man roster
29 Chris Carpenter 60-day Disabled List
52 Josh Kinney 60-day Disabled List
26 Scott Spiezio Restricted List
43 Juan Encarnacion 60-day Disabled List
3 Preston Wilson 60-day Disabled List
25-Man Roster (August 31st)
34 Randy Flores
31 Ryan Franklin
44 Jason Isringhausen
19 Tyler Johnson
41 Braden Looper
40 Troy Percival
35 Joel Pineiro
23 Anthony Reyes
36 Russ Springer
50 Adam Wainwright
37 Todd Wellemeyer
21 Kip Wells
28 Gary Bennett
4 Yadier Molina
33 Russell Branyan
22 David Eckstein
12 Aaron Miles
5 Albert Pujols
13 Brendan Ryan
24 Rick Ankiel
16 Chris Duncan
15 Jim Edmonds
47 Ryan Ludwick
99 So Taguchi
Call-ups
63 Andy Cavazos
60 Brian Falkenborg
56 Kelvin Jimenez
46 Mike Maroth
48 Brad Thompson
54 Kelly Stinnett
62 Brian Barden
3 Miguel Cairo
55 Skip Schumaker
30 Mark Mulder
Non-60 day DL
7 Adam Kennedy 15-day Disabled List
27 Scott Rolen 15-day Disabled List
Non-Active 40 man
86 Cody Haerther
53 John Rodriguez
61 Troy Cate
59 Dennis Dove
77 Blake Hawksworth
A couple things:
1- Anyone know who the 25th man on the 25 man roster on August 31st was?
2- Kennedy and Rolen may not be moved to the 60-day DL until a) Rolen has surgery (never know) or b) Kennedy is ruled out as being availible in October.
3- When did we repurchase The Falkener's contract. He was DFA'd, wasn't he?
I moved Mulder onto the active list, which means we have 41 on the 40-man.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cairo
Rolen's surgery should have been this week but he had a son and wants to hold said son and thus the surgery will be next week or the following week. Kennedy I think is ruled out already.
Still can we 60 day DL JRod.
I'm holding out hope that Rolen
:D
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure it was Cairo?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Juan E then
Joe Strauss Live about Wells
jasmemphis: If so many of the Cardinal forum participants know Kip Wells is not ace material and should not have started the game he most recently lost against the Pirates, how come LaRussa and D.Duncan don't get it? The fans can't be smarter than the managers, right? So what's the real reason LaRussa keeps putting Wells on the mound? It's depressing.
Joe Strauss: I expect you will get your wish this afternoon, when the club will announce an adjustment to the rotation. TLR and Dave Duncan all but confirmed a change was coming last night. Today is Wells' scheduled throw day between starts. I believe most expect either Brad Thompson or Todd Wellemeyer to take his next turn if, indeed, the club sticks with a six-man turn. Stay tuned. The arrival of Mark Mulder, Mike Maroth and Brad Thompson afford more options. It was mentioned at today's BBWAA lunch that three of the next four games could be started by pitchers who were at Memphis last Friday. Got to love a pennant race in the NL Central.
In fairness,
He might do well in the bullpen
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineups
MLB.com
attendance
yr g tot attend avg pct full
06 80 3,407,104 42,588 90.9
07 68 2,977,452 42,586 93.4
we're on a pace for 3,546,670, which would break last year's mark by 4.1%(one less game, though).
other attendance/game w/ other clubs:
cubs brews mlb
06 39,040 28,835 31,404
07 40,114 35,189 32,731
%chg +2.7 +22.0 +4.2
matty mo
He's...
I hoped the change of scenery leaving SF would help him turn things around, but I'm afraid only finding the path of Ponce de Leon will do the trick now.
by glennrwordman on Sep 5, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Mulder and perhaps Maroth are needed
Yikes
I think the Pirates will battle test (as you say) Maroth since last time he faced them he gave up 7 hits in 1.2 innings. If you remember, it looked like an endless batting practice. If Maroth can get a good game in against them, that would prove something, and it would prove it in one game.
I don't want him at all because he has not had enough rehab to prove he can be successful over multiple innings, but if we have to, I'd like to see if he can handle a team that previously bashed him.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
correction-he gave up 7 runs in 1.2 IP
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, some cubbies fans
"It just goes to show how much farther ahead the Cards are as an organization. They can win with scraps and the Cubs struggle to win with expensive filet mignon."
"Tony LaRussa would win Manager of the Decade. wow...no Carpenter, no Rolen, No Encarnacion, No Hancock, low team morale, nothing to prove after winning it all in '06...yet somehow, someway, they always find a way to win...Unbelievable."
"Tony LaRussa is a genius. Too bad the Cubs don't have him. Instead, they have that drunken bum Piniella who couldn't get the Mariners to the World Series despite having a collection of future hall of famers."
"The Cards have had better starting pitching then the Cubs for the last 6 weeks. Don't count on them faiding down the stretch. That team has overcome a lot this year and having to play a few extra games in Sept is not going to be their downfall..."
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
There may be something to "character"
On the pitching side we have a poor trackrecord developing young pitcher but a decent one picking them up off the scrap pile. Not really an overall strength or weakness.
manager of the year
he has done some strange things w/ this team, but if he can get to the post season w/ this rag-tag bunch and the injuries we have had, he should win manager of the year hands down.
http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html
I concur
Talk about getting the most out of what you've got.
He'd certainly get my vote for Manager of the Year.
I agree with the character comment
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
wow. anyone watching
Lineups per Bernie
Ankiel 9
Pujols 3
Edmonds 8
Ducan 7
Molina 2
Branyan 5
Mulder 1
Miles 4
Izturis 5
Bautista 8
Sanchez 4
LaRoche 3
Bay 7
Pearce 9
Paulino 2
Wilson 6
Armas 1
off topic:
http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=13084&f=1
"Miller Park to host 2007 USBC Masters finals"
http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html
Wow
Or...are the non-home field advantage games now over the weekend with Game 1 shifted back to Tuesday? If so....
The Lineup tonight
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
As a matter of fact
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions

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