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Scrubs, Studs, and Swamp Gas

I have to say, one of the things that, in retrospect, really annoys me about that Kip Wells loss (aside from all of the typical complaints one would have about Kip Wells vomiting up a loss) was that, if the Cardinals had to take one loss against the Pirates, I would just as soon have it come at the hands of Matt Morris.  I always completely loved what that guy did for the team, and it still makes me sad to see him in another uniform or to see Piñeiro wear his number.  Watching him and Darry Kile anchor an actual resurgent rotation in the early aughts is something that will always give me a bit of joy.

However, the team now has an actual, honest to goodness, winning record.  The claim, however, that their success is a result of other teams giving up more than them succeeding, however is correct.  As of August first, they were six games out in the central, with a 50-54 record.  Since then, they have played at a 18-13 (.580) clip.  Over this time period, they have scored 145 runs, and allowed 120, good for a .590 Pythagorean.  Considering a couple of the crazy blowout losses we've seen at the hands of the likes of Pittsburgh and Houston, and the damage to the Pythagorean record that they created, this makes the fact that the team has underperformed it's Pythagorean record all the more surprising.  But it remains, .580 or .590 shouldn't be enough for a losing team to dig itself out of a six game hole.  Yet, here we are.

And I think the same argument I made last year applies to the team this year, should we make the postseason--the weakness of this team has been the back of the rotation, and that is the part of the team that has almost zero effect on the performance of the postseason squad.  When people talk about the Cardinals improbable postseason run, relative to their regular season performance, they rarely, if ever, talk about the simple improvement that removing bipolar betty from the rotation had upon the team's prospects.  Similarly, out of eighty five qualifiers, Kip "Kippersley" Wells is eighty second in ERA, and unlike the others, he's had relief appearances to lower that number.  Removing that guy from the postseason roster will instantly improve the Cardinals' run differential far more than it will for any other team that they will face (almost noone else in the bottom ten in ERA is on a postseason-bound squad, beyond Jaime Moyer and Adam Eaton of the Phillies).  

Which brings us back to pitching at the top of the rotation.  We won't have Carpenter to anchor the team this year, but Wainwright has shown himself to be solid, and Mr. B.Looper has shown that he can step up from time to time--particularly over this stretch where the team has come back into contention.  Similarly, Piñeiro has shown that he can be a solid major league starter, at least over his five or six starts for the team.  So that leaves us with Mr. Swamp Gas, Mark Mulder himself.  He is probably m ore of a cypher than he has been in the past.  His minor league debacles last year were a pretty clear indication that he was going to be horrible last year when he came back.  He's managed to avoid those this year--he was pretty dominant for palm beach, and he really got the groundballs for Memphis, and also had a decent overall start, so that's an indication that his sinker is probably working again.  There is a good chance that he might be back to his old ways by next year, and that he could be 2005 Mark Mulder this year.  If that's the case, a rotation of Wainwright, Looper, Mulder and Piñeiro could be solid in the postseason.  At least solid enough to let Branyan, Pujols, Ankiel and Duncan to try to make some offensive plays.

Or perhaps, to see if Jimmy E has some of that old magic left in him.

I know it's not realistic for this team to make it very far in the postseason, but once again, I"m just making the argument that our current scrubs 'n studs roster makeup has the distinct advantage of creating a team that is much tougher in a short series than it is in the regular season, as it allows Tony to simply cut off the fat when the games start becoming elimination games.

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Sorry, but I'll be very hard to
convince that Mulder is going to give us anything this year.  I just can't imagine him coming back from that surgery and being anything more than inconsistent, if not awful.  But I admire your cockeyed optimism!
"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 5, 2007 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Any particular reason?
Pedro Martinez came back from the same and was effective.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

i watched that game
he was serviceable. effective might be a stretch.  he wasn't the same pedro.  That being said, it would be nice to have mulder as a servicable addition to the rotation - something more like pineiro than reyes or wells.

by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pedro 's Age > Mulder's Age
to be fair.  And Pedro hasn't been very good fo awhile.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

true
My point was just that pedro at his best blows mulder at his best out of the water. but there is a significant age difference.

by jeff abs on Sep 5, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

could be wrong on this ....
but I think Pedro also had more damage to his shoulder than Mulder.

by sjoshi on Sep 5, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paranoia, and a lifetime of
sporting disappointments.
"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 5, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't want to out you
mdredbirdfreak...but your description of yourself sounds like you've got a baaaad case of the 99-years-and-counting blues. are you sure you're a fan of the 10-time world champion cardinals franchise? ;)

by acham8206 on Sep 5, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!
Born and raised in STL: check

Cardinals license plate frame on vehicle: check

Annual pilgrimage to STL to see at least 2 games yearly: check

Attendance at all Cardinals-Nationals games at RFK stadium in DC: check

2006 Cardinals World Champion screensaver: check

Way too much time spent worrying about Kip Wells: check

Nah, I'm a Redbird guy through and through.  But my fandom started in 1973, and that decade left scars on my psyche that will never heal.

"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 5, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i share your pessimism
i'm just not convinced mulder will be that great this year.  better than wells, but that aint saying much.  mulder is rusty, he has said his mechanics are off, etc.  i get the feeling he has been a little rushed.

i'm hopeful for next year though.

by dmb60614 on Sep 5, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cutting off the fat
I agree with the assessment re the postseason.  I just don't understand Tony's insistence of running the fat out there in September, and, indeed, increasing the fat's share of the workload with a 6-man rotation.

by CardFaninVA on Sep 5, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, a lot of people might disagree
with the 6 man rotation......

and then cut TLR off at knees if Wainer's elbow gets sore.

by sdrone on Sep 5, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm...
one or two more starts for Wainwright is going to cause soreness? If that is the case then we will have that to look forward if we make the postseason.

by lopey986 on Sep 5, 2007 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any start could cause that
 but I assume that helping him avoid fatigue if possible will keep him from accidentaly changing his form or compensating in some fashion and possibly increasing the possibility of injury.

by sdrone on Sep 5, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm...
one or two more starts for Wainwright is going to cause soreness? If that is the case then we will have that to look forward if we make the postseason.

by lopey986 on Sep 5, 2007 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offense
The offense has to be there, though.  Pujols hasn't had an extra-base hit since his last HR on the 22nd.  If he's not clicking, I'm afraid some of these current offense might tighten up and vanish facing postseason pitching.

Yeah, I'm a worrier.  It's what I do.

by Cardinal70 on Sep 5, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
I would be an advocate of sneaking Albert as many days off or seventh inning defensive substitutions as possible.  

by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who wants to win free tix for tonight......
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=481453

Sports Editor over at STLToday has a rick hummel trivia question, winner gets the tickets. I have no idea what the answer is.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of tix
I am looking to sell two tickets to the Saturday, Sept 15th game. Casino Queen Party Porch (aka the section with good beer), fifth row. Just looking for face value ($90 for the pair) -- e-mail me if you're interested, por favor.

(And my apologies for craiglisting VEB)

Hello, playoff mosey

by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2007 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

day game or night game?
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry
they're for the Hancock game. Nooners.
Hello, playoff mosey

by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2007 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with VA
now does not seem like an opportune time to evaluate Mulder, or any other pitcher that has serious issues. The divisional brass ring is in reach with the next cycle of the merry-go-round.
Experiments are for spring, not September in a heated three horse sprint to the wire.
Nuthin'....I got nuthin'over here.

by Handsome Jimmy on Sep 5, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Without Mulder,
it's a sprint into a brick wall.  It's time that we saw if he's going to contribute anything or he's going to be a goat.

by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

but unfortunately...
...starting wells, reyes, maroth, and maybe even thompson and wellemeyer (though i like the latter two more) also qualifies as an experiment. and looper and pineiro (and even wainwrights) were experiments not long ago.

it is really hard to decide between those first five names as to which is better or which is worse. i wouldn't mind seeing something like the 8-man quad cities piggyback rotation instituted with the bottom 6 in this rotation. start the reliable ones on their regular days, and start the others on the remaining days, with the non-starting starters in the bullpen ready in the wings at the first real sign of trouble.

by willievinceterry on Sep 5, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

A horse sprint to the finish?
I'm not sure what division you've been watching but it seems more like a marathon ran by 85 year old women with walkers and bad hips.  They're stumbling all over each other gasping for air and chain smoking.

by DJ4508 on Sep 5, 2007 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man,
you've been to that nursing home in University City too?

I'll never forget carrying the lighter for this woman in a wheelchair with no legs so she could smoke, and having another woman--who'd had a stroke and couldn't talk--with a cigarette dangling from her lips making incoherent noises that I believe were her begging me for a light.

So, kids, don't smoke.

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Sep 5, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh
I used to deliver pizza to that nursing home almost daily.  I certainly have a lot of sympathy for anyone in a place like that, but that's got to be the most foul smelling building I've ever been inside.

by stl tyler on Sep 5, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rotation
has been an experiment the entire year; why stop now? Other than Wagonmaker and maybe Loopy, who else is there to count on?

by cardsrul on Sep 5, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joel Pineiro
4-2, 3.63 ERA, 23:7 K:BB ratio.  Not too shabby.

by Phyrkrakr on Sep 5, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the experiment
has progressed to the point that I feel pretty confident that there's a 50-70% chance of a 4 or 5 spot in some random inning to liven up the other four 0s from Reyes.  Seems pretty predictable.  The Kipper is in similar territory, although he's more likely to spread the wealth over multiple innings of his start.  Still a 30% plus chance of a decent outing out of either one, but <sigh> guess we're greedy and want more and are willing to give Mulder a spin.

I'm kind of waiting for his arm to fall right off there on the mound.  I mean, Mulder not injured?  That doesn't happen, does it?

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Sep 5, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mulder
Lets not doom him yet.  He's not Prior.  He's not Wood.  Muld-r2d2 will have an outing that will give us a chance to win tonight.  Im calling it.
Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Sep 5, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, Val
If we make it to the postseason, the back end of the rotation can be cut off.  That worked quite nicely last year (and the boys are sporting the rings to prove it).  I agree about Mulder - it is time to see if he has anything to offer.  At the very least, it will help management plan for next year.  

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 5, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Mulder's return
I'm hopeful that Mark can have a return to form like Izzy this season from last, or like Carp after missing the '04 WS and coming back.  It would have been nice if he could've started sooner, to have confidence going into September.  It would have also been nice to have a lead to work with.

But I still have the feeling that he can play out the rest of this year somewhat like Weaver did last; getting progressively better to the end, and ready for playoffs.  We will need the timely hitting and solid pen to keep us in this thing.  But then we have Pujols and Izzy, oh and Roy Hobbs too.

Show us you're back Mark.  We're rooting for you.

Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i will take
a "half working" mulder over wells (aka speedy gonzales) any day!
"How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?"- Leroy Satchel Paige

http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html

by Supergus on Sep 5, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speed Gun
For Mulder's game in Memphis, he asked that the speed gun not be shown on the board, and they honored that request.  During an interview Mark said he didn't want to be looking at that because it might make him push too hard when he knew he needed to concentrate on form and location.  He said at the time that he asked if they would do that as well for his first game at Busch.

Does anybody know if they plan to do that tonight?

Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty sure
they are planning to turn it off.  I think the official site had something about it a few days ago.  I'm too lazy to go look, but you could. :)

by spants on Sep 5, 2007 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't realistic
for last year's team to go very far in the postseason either, Val, but go they did.

I'm gearing up to attend another first home game of the NLCS (current streak - 3).

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Sep 5, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Under our current playoff system,
I think that the probability that a given team will win the World Series varies between .120 and .130, especially so long as we have a five game series in the mix.

by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that
weighting each team as equal?

(If it was, you know that's not what I was getting at, right?  :-)  )

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Sep 5, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Splits
BCB is using the Cubs/Cards/Brewers overall home/away splits as the reason the Cubs will win the division.  Does anyone know what those splits are since the break?
9/8/1998 - Lankford's 27th

by badseed on Sep 5, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I wrote down the splits for myself
a while back but since I wasn't doing this for public consumption, I didn't double check my numbers, so hopefully this is accurate.

The splits I wrote down are as follows:

Cards:  17 games away; 24 games at home

Cubs:  23 games away; 16 games at home

Brewers:  21 games away; 16 games at home

Also since the all star break, we have 2 more games to play than the cubs and 4 more games to play than the Brewers (we had 41 games in total, cubs have 39 games in total, and Brewers have 37 in total).

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

W-L record splits
I think W-L splits is what was being referred to.  I might go calculate them, I saw the BCB post too, intriguing to say the least, AL is a good writer.

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops, sorry about that
i was reading through the thread fast on a break; i thought they were talking about home field advantage.

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Related
It relates to home field advantage but more taking our season W-L record at home and on the road then saying we win that percentage of our remaining games, if that happens you get Cubs at 83, Brewers at 82 and Cards at 81 wins.

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

since the percentage of our wins at home
has increased pretty dramatically as the season has progressed, it doesn't seem that that would accurately measure our chances in light of how we are playing now (and have been playing since the all star break).

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

splits
Just seemed like faulty logic to me. Teams and players improve/decline through out the season. Certainly couldn't use that type of logic playing fantasy baseball.
9/8/1998 - Lankford's 27th

by badseed on Sep 5, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Projections
The caveat of not using past performance to predict the future is just as well applied to baseball as wall street.  We can't even predict what line-up tlr will use tomorrow, let alone how well they'll play.

I heard somewhere that tlr had used over 100 different starting lineups this season.  Anybody have a real number on that?

The best part of bcb is that they do keep bleeding.

Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups?
According to BR we have used exactly 100 lineups if you count the pitcher as a static (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2007_lu.shtml) or 124 if you count the pitcher but if you talk batting order then he has used 122 total with a static pitcher and 132 counting the pitcher.

Most used Orders:
3 Games
1. Eckstein 2. Duncan 3. Pujols 4. Rolen 5. Edmonds 6. Wilson 7. Kennedy 8. Molina 9. Pitcher

3 Games
1. Eckstein 2. Taguchi 3. Pujols 4. Encarnacion 5. Rolen 6. Ludwick 7. Molina 8. Miles 9. Pitcher

Most common lineup:
6 Games
C. Molina
1B. Pujols
2B. Miles
3B. Rolen
SS. Eckstein
LF. Ludwick
CF. Taguchi
RF. Encarnacion
Pitcher

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If FB is any sort of prediction...
I can't manage to trade away Ted Lilly in a league that's split about evenly between Cub and Card fans.  I think I'm just going to have to drop him because I can't take the thought of winning my fantasy league based on a game that puts the Cardinals out of the playoffs.

And anecdotally - I've been benching starters against the Cardinals since about the break - it's payed off with Lilly, Hudson, and others - didn't work out 2 nights ago against Snell, but I still believe in believing.

by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha
i am totally in the same situation you are, what with having lilly and benching guys against the cards. keep on believing man

by PolancoMcEwing on Sep 5, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to know
I'm not alone.  Be strong, brother Cardinal.

by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Post ASB
Cubs are 17-14 at home (.548) and 9-10 on the road (.474)

Brewers are 14-13 at home (.519) and 7-16 on the road (.304)

Cards are 17-8 at home (.680) and 11-14 on the road (.440)

I might do more math later to figure out records but for now the Cards are 28-22 PASB (.560) Cubs are 26-24 (.520) and Brewers are 21-29 (.420).  Cards are first place for the second half title right now, if we play at our current pace it is our division to lose.

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If
If these PASB percentages stay the same then:

Cubs will go 5-4 at home, 8-8 on the road.
Brewers will go 6-5 at home and 4-9 on the road.
Cards will go 9-4 at home and 6-8 on the road.

This will give Cards and Cubs a tie for the division with 83 wins and the Brewers 80 wins.

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remaining schedules
Here they are:

Brew Crew:  11 home
     (Astros-1, Reds-3, Cards-3, Pads-4)
            13 road
      (Reds-3, Pirates-3, Astros-3, Braves-4)

Small Bears: 9 home
      (Dodgers-2, Cards-1, Reds-3, Pirates-3)
             16 road
      (Pirates-3, Astros-3, Cards-4, Marlins-3, Reds-3)

Good Guys:    13 home
      (Pirates-2, Cubs-4, Phils-3, Astros-4)
              14 road
      (Snakes-3, Cubs-1, Reds-3, Brewers-3, Mets-1, Pirates-3)

So both the Brewers and the Cards have better home/road splits to end the season than the cubbies.  But, the Brewers have to travel to Atlanta and finish the season with San Diego (4 games against each) while the Cards face Arizona for three and get the Phillies in for three here.  The Cubs have the fewest "non-NL Central" games left, the two with LA this week and three on the road in Florida.

To me, it looks like the Brewers may have the toughest remaining schedule (other than the fact that the Cards play more games than there are days left in the season!).

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 5, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm
Although they have almost 2:1 road:home games left, I'd say that schedule for the Cubs sets them up to be the team to beat.  If they blow it this year, then, well I guess it's the Cubs, what else can you say?

I can take solace in the fact that they have 6 left (3 home, 3 away) against the Reds, who for some reason seem to own the Cubs.

We need to start by winning these last two against Pittsburgh.

Re-acquire Edgar Renteria

by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep,
I agree the Cubs remaining schedule looks to be the weakest.  If they had the home/road reversed, I'd say we had almost no chance to catch 'em.  However, since they do have so many road games left, and have not been a great road team so far, hope remains.

If we can at least stay where we are through the current series, the Cubs will have only 7 home games and 16 road games left (vs. our 11/14).

Another thing to note, we are "tied for first" presently when you look at the loss column.  I don't know if I ever thought we'd get there.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 5, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Splits
Last year I tried to do a home/away split with about 40 games left in the season in order to predict the seeding for the playoffs.  I figured that after 75% of the season, the home and away win percentages would be pretty static.  I was wrong.  Out of the 6 NL teams I charted, I was only within +/- 3 wins for two of the teams.

That made me believe more than ever that you can't figure this game out (sorry Scotty), and you can't predict it.  Thinking back on that, I guess I shouldn't have been so surprised when we won the WS.  I would like to believe in my heart that the race will come down to who has "it", because I know the Cardinals have it.   But the statistician in my believes that it's pretty much chance (i.e. luck).

Here's hoping Mulder can make a positive impact and push this team over the edge into October!

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Sep 5, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember folks,
the Cards don't have a day off the rest of the way, because of the makeup dates(they had to get permission from the Players Association to play more than 20 days straight). That will have an effect on not only the pitching, but who Tony puts out there on the field. You'll be seeing some "WTF?" line-ups along the way, I wager.

by cardsrul on Sep 5, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I see from the roto sidebar
that Juan was moved to the sixty-day; I assume Mark Mulder will be taking/has taken that spot. But Keisler was also DFAd. Is Spiezio coming back? Or might this mean that I finally get to see Mark "I hope he isn't the PTBNL" Worrell in a big league uniform?

by DanUpBaby on Sep 5, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just about to post that
how many people do we have on the 40-man now?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

40
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=stl

Even with those changes we are still at 40 (our 40 man roster is either screwed up or we were over for a few days)

Changes that can easily be made to get Mulder on tonight: Kennedy can hit the 60 day, JRod could be put on the 60 day (not sure how that works since he is already on the milb DL).

40 man roster peeps not on the active:
Cate, Hawksworth, Dove, Haerther, JRod, Rolen and Kennedy

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is a breakdown

Do Not Count Towards 40-man roster

29 Chris Carpenter  60-day Disabled List
52 Josh Kinney      60-day Disabled List
26 Scott Spiezio    Restricted List
43 Juan Encarnacion 60-day Disabled List
3 Preston Wilson    60-day Disabled List

25-Man Roster (August 31st)

34 Randy Flores    
31 Ryan Franklin  
44 Jason Isringhausen  
19 Tyler Johnson  
41 Braden Looper  
40 Troy Percival    
35 Joel Pineiro  
23 Anthony Reyes    
36 Russ Springer  
50 Adam Wainwright    
37 Todd Wellemeyer    
21 Kip Wells    
28 Gary Bennett    
4 Yadier Molina  
33 Russell Branyan  
22 David Eckstein  
12 Aaron Miles  
5 Albert Pujols  
13 Brendan Ryan  
24 Rick Ankiel    
16 Chris Duncan    
15 Jim Edmonds  
47 Ryan Ludwick  
99 So Taguchi  

Call-ups
63 Andy Cavazos  
60 Brian Falkenborg  
56 Kelvin Jimenez    
46 Mike Maroth  
48 Brad Thompson  
54 Kelly Stinnett  
62 Brian Barden  
3 Miguel Cairo    
55 Skip Schumaker
30 Mark Mulder

Non-60 day DL  
7 Adam Kennedy  15-day Disabled List
27 Scott Rolen  15-day Disabled List

Non-Active 40 man  
86 Cody Haerther    
53 John Rodriguez  
61 Troy Cate    
59 Dennis Dove  
77 Blake Hawksworth

A couple things:

1- Anyone know who the 25th man on the 25 man roster on August 31st was?
2- Kennedy and Rolen may not be moved to the 60-day DL until a) Rolen has surgery (never know) or b) Kennedy is ruled out as being availible in October.
3- When did we repurchase The Falkener's contract.  He was DFA'd, wasn't he?  

I moved Mulder onto the active list, which means we have 41 on the 40-man.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cairo
Cairo was the 25th, we purchased Falkenborg's contract yesterday when we brought up Thompson.

Rolen's surgery should have been this week but he had a son and wants to hold said son and thus the surgery will be next week or the following week.  Kennedy I think is ruled out already.

Still can we 60 day DL JRod.

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm holding out hope that Rolen
sticks his finger in his toaster and has his scar tissue cleaned out the same way Roy Oswalt did: By shocking himself.

:D

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure it was Cairo?
He was in uniform but the way the story was told was the he was activated September 1st but was on hand incase Branyan didn't make it to the ballpark on time.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Juan E then
It was either Cairo or Juan that was active that day.  (since Juan was just now DLed I think it might have been Juan)

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Strauss Live about Wells
JSL had this interesting tidbit about the rotation and Kipper:

jasmemphis: If so many of the Cardinal forum participants know Kip Wells is not ace material and should not have started the game he most recently lost against the Pirates, how come LaRussa and D.Duncan don't get it? The fans can't be smarter than the managers, right? So what's the real reason LaRussa keeps putting Wells on the mound? It's depressing.

Joe Strauss: I expect you will get your wish this afternoon, when the club will announce an adjustment to the rotation. TLR and Dave Duncan all but confirmed a change was coming last night. Today is Wells' scheduled throw day between starts. I believe most expect either Brad Thompson or Todd Wellemeyer to take his next turn if, indeed, the club sticks with a six-man turn. Stay tuned. The arrival of Mark Mulder, Mike Maroth and Brad Thompson afford more options. It was mentioned at today's BBWAA lunch that three of the next four games could be started by pitchers who were at Memphis last Friday. Got to love a pennant race in the NL Central.

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

In fairness,
Wells had a hot or at least luke-warm streak when he seems to get things straightened out.  Especially given the injuries, it wasn't a bad idea to go with the guy for this last start.
The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Sep 5, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that
but after that start, I just don't see why the team should stick with him

by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might do well in the bullpen
as an innings eater.  Take the pressure off him, let him try to get his form or rhythm back, and use the fact that he's stretched out to our benefit to eat up innings.  Maybe that both could help the club and help Wells.  Having seen what he was capable of in those five or so quality starts, i would like to see him try to get things back together--not for us next year but for his own good.  If that could be done in a mutually beneficial way, I would favor that.  I really do feel bad for both Wells and Reyes.  If they could be helped without harming the club, the would be good to see.  But only if it wouldn't hurt us right now.

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups
Where is the best place to see the lineup for today's game vs. PIT?  I'm not very savvy when it comes to finding stuff like that.  Thanks in advance.
Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Sep 5, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB.com
on mlb.com when gameday gets posted about 2 hours before the game, or watch the post dispatch forums for when/if bernie or goold gets one up.

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

attendance
short of a cancellation, the cards will break the 3-million mark tonight.  They've averaged more this year than last because of the incomplete stadium to start the '06 season.

yr   g    tot attend    avg   pct full
06   80   3,407,104   42,588   90.9
07   68   2,977,452   42,586   93.4


we're on a pace for 3,546,670, which would break last year's mark by 4.1%(one less game, though).

other attendance/game w/ other clubs:

      cubs    brews mlb
06    39,040 28,835 31,404
07    40,114 35,189 32,731
%chg +2.7  +22.0    +4.2

by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

matty mo
i echo valatan's sentiments bout matt morris. was always a favorite of mine and he just doesn't look right in pirates garb. also the gray hair is a bit disconcerting as well... sigh, just my sentimental side showing again i guess

by PolancoMcEwing on Sep 5, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

He's...
....the reason I became a Cards' fan in the first place, and I really ache for how much he's struggled.  

I hoped the change of scenery leaving SF would help him turn things around, but I'm afraid only finding the path of Ponce de Leon will do the trick now.

by glennrwordman on Sep 5, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mulder and perhaps Maroth are needed
to face a couple of clubs who have bad splits against LHPs, namely the Cubs (14-21 vs. LHPs/56-46 vs. RHPs), Reds (20-31 vs. 43-46) and to a lesser extent, the Phillies (22-43 vs. 51-42).  I don't understand why TLR is starting them for the first time aginst the Pirates who have a better winning percentage against LHPs than they do against RHPs, but perhaps he wants them battle tested first.  Hopefully, it doesn't mean that we lose the last two games of this series.  Obviously, we need Mulder back in the rotation because of the recent failures of Wells and Reyes.  Clearly, a slightly below average Mulder from 2005 would be better than either Wells or Reyes at this point.

by Wahoo on Sep 5, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Yikes
That's scary thinking about Maroth, with his homerun proclivities, going up against the Reds and the Cubs (or the Brewers or the Pirates for that matter).

I think the Pirates will battle test (as you say) Maroth since last time he faced them he gave up 7 hits in 1.2 innings.  If you remember, it looked like an endless batting practice.  If Maroth can get a good game in against them, that would prove something, and it would prove it in one game.  

I don't want him at all because he has not had enough rehab to prove he can be successful over multiple innings, but if we have to, I'd like to see if he can handle a team that previously bashed him.

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction-he gave up 7 runs in 1.2 IP
when he last faced the Pirates.  Maroth gave up many more hits in that game.

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, some cubbies fans
sound a heck of a lot more confident about the Cards than any Card fan does.  TLR should start reading their boards, it would give him a lift.  Here are a few entertaining entries from their forum:

"It just goes to show how much farther ahead the Cards are as an organization. They can win with scraps and the Cubs struggle to win with expensive filet mignon."

"Tony LaRussa would win Manager of the Decade.  wow...no Carpenter, no Rolen, No Encarnacion, No Hancock, low team morale, nothing to prove after winning it all in '06...yet somehow, someway, they always find a way to win...Unbelievable."

"Tony LaRussa is a genius. Too bad the Cubs don't have him. Instead, they have that drunken bum Piniella who couldn't get the Mariners to the World Series despite having a collection of future hall of famers."

"The Cards have had better starting pitching then the Cubs for the last 6 weeks. Don't count on them faiding down the stretch. That team has overcome a lot this year and having to play a few extra games in Sept is not going to be their downfall..."

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

now that
made my day!  ;o)

by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 5, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

There may be something to "character"
Position players on our team to seem to do better here.  The teams focus on people that "play hard" seems to bring out a little extra in some.  i.e. getting every last drop from Miles and So.

On the pitching side we have a poor trackrecord developing young pitcher but a decent one picking them up off the scrap pile.  Not really an overall strength or weakness.

by DriverZn on Sep 5, 2007 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

manager of the year
"Tony LaRussa would win Manager of the Decade.  wow...no Carpenter, no Rolen, No Encarnacion, No Hancock, low team morale, nothing to prove after winning it all in '06...yet somehow, someway, they always find a way to win...Unbelievable."

he has done some strange things w/ this team, but if he can get to the post season w/ this rag-tag bunch and the injuries we have had, he should win manager of the year hands down.

"How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?"- Leroy Satchel Paige

http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html

by Supergus on Sep 5, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur
Although "Crazy Tony" has made quite a few appearances this season along with several questionable decisions which rightly elicited healthy debate on this and other Cardinals forums...I have to say that overall Tony really has done an admirable job turning this repeatedly unlucky and snakebitten team into a "contender" (even if it is only a contender in the NLCentral).

Talk about getting the most out of what you've got.

He'd certainly get my vote for Manager of the Year.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Sep 5, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the character comment
and the manager of the year comment.  It still was very funny to read how certain many of them are that the Cards will win no matter what, all the while Card's fans are in an uproar about having no rotation.

by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow. anyone watching
the phillies-braves game? amazing come-from-behind victory for the braves with 4 in the 8th, 3 (all with 2 outs) in the 9th. un-freakin-believable.

by acham8206 on Sep 5, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Lineups per Bernie
Eckstein 6
Ankiel 9
Pujols 3
Edmonds 8
Ducan 7
Molina 2
Branyan 5
Mulder 1
Miles 4

Izturis 5
Bautista 8
Sanchez 4
LaRoche 3
Bay 7
Pearce 9
Paulino 2
Wilson 6
Armas 1

by StLHugo on Sep 5, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

off topic:
not sure if anyone has seen this...
http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=13084&f=1

"Miller Park to host 2007 USBC Masters finals"

"How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?"- Leroy Satchel Paige

http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html

by Supergus on Sep 5, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
Not only does the winner of the All Star game determine home field advantage for teh World Series, but it also determines the location for the USBC Masters finals.  After all - the Brewers could be playing in the World Series that weekend.

Or...are the non-home field advantage games now over the weekend with Game 1 shifted back to Tuesday?  If so....

by Robb on Sep 5, 2007 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lineup tonight
Is it just me, or does batting Mulder eighth actually look better and make sense considering Miles is in the second leadoff spot?

by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

As a matter of fact
Only Miles and Eckstein are worse than batting Jimmy 4th with this batch!

by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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