Game 135 Open Thread: September 4, 2007
by lboros on Sep 4, 2007 6:53 PM EDT
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GAME TIME 7:10 CDT
this matchup pits the starting pitcher the cardinals almost traded for on july 31 vs the one they did trade for. here's a comparison of how they fared in august, quick n dirty:| w-l | era | avg | obp | slg | |||
| pineiro | 3-2 | 3.71 | .269 | .301 | .492 | ||
| morris | 1-1 | 4.66 | .301 | .380 | .434 |
insofar as pineiro didn't come with $9 million worth of strings attached for 2008, he's been by far the superior acquisition --- up to this point, anyway. we'll see how it shakes out tonight.
there was a little discussion this afternoon of the cards' won-loss record behind various starting pitchers in 2007. the stat goes like this: the cards are 11-39 when wells, reyes, and maroth start, but 56-28 behind all the other starters combined. since reyes has gotten the shaft this year, run-supportwise, i decided to sort out his starts by number of runs allowed, and see how the team fared in those starts ---- and, by comparison, how the team fared in equivalent starts by select teammates. here's how it breaks down:
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| reyes | 4-15 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 2-3 | 0-4 | 1-4 | 1-4 |
| thompson | 9-3 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 3-0 | 2-1 | 2-0 | 1-2 |
| wellemeyer | 7-1 | 1-0 | 1-0 | 1-0 | 2-0 | 1-0 | 1-1 |
| wells | 6-19 | 2-0 | 1-1 | 1-1 | 1-3 | 0-3 | 1-11 |
| maroth | 1-5 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 1-3 |
wells' won-loss record is largely deserved --- he has allowed 5 runs or more in 11 of his 16 losses. ditto maroth, who allowed fewer than 4 runs only once in 6 tries. but look at reyes. when he allows 3 runs or fewer --- ie, when he generally keeps the team in the game ---- the cards are only 2-8, thanks to poor run support. when thompson or wellemeyer allows the same number of runs, the cardinals are 11-1. here's another comparison: when anthony allows 3 or 4 runs --- so-so outings --- the cards are just 1-8; but when thompson / wellemeyer allow the same number of runs, the cardinals are 7-1. they're 1-6 when wells allows 3 or 4 runs.
some of you, i realize, will continue to insist that won-loss records are meaningful indicators of pitching ability. . . . . . .
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Great post
What I don't get is why Reyes gets diffrent treatment than Wells or Maroth from Mgt. He is cheaper and performing better (or even just less bad).
Just one question
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 5, 2007 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
In some cases
To my mind, 2-13 says a helluva lot.
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 5, 2007 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
In 2005
In Anthony's case, 2-13 may say a helluva lot, but there are other statistics that say more about his effectiveness. W/L depends too much on your team's offense and bullpen...among other things. Not to say those are the only reasons he has a 2-13 record.
no doubt, it does say a lot
no one is arguing, or at least i don't think anyone is arguing, that a 2-13 record means anthony reyes has been a good pitcher. he certainly hasn't been. i think the only argument is: a 2-13 record looks not just bad, but shouldn't-be-in-the-majors god-awful, and a closer look at reyes' stats indicates that he's not THAT bad.
so, not good, but not bad enough to deserve being dropped from this rotation, especially when the alternatives are wells, thompson, and wellemeyer.
i think one symptom of blogs in general, and, unfortunately, this one in particular over the last week or so, is that arguments end up worse than they should be, because opinions on both sides of an argument end up appearing more extreme than they really are. reyes is an example of that.
i don't think anyone who thinks the guy is bad hates him personally or doesn't wish he was doing better. and i don't think anyone who thinks he should stay in the rotation would say he's performed well so far - he hasn't. i think the only argument is, if you look deeper than w-l record, and, actually, deeper than era, it seems like reyes has performed at least as well as the alternatives, and that he has the most potential to get better in the future.
Reyes and his "upside"
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 5, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
and this is an example
people who favor thompson (or wellemeyer, or whoever) over reyes look at what you're looking at - record, innings/game, and to some extent era.
the point about different pitches and upside is an interesting one. i guess i would quibble a bit with your view of reyes - i think he's got a solid 4-seam fastball, a solid change, and two pitches that still need work - a 2-seam fastball, which he may never get, and a curve. you're right that neither of those pitches are there right now, but people who favor reyes, myself included, think that's where the potential/upside is - that reyes is young enough that he can develop a better curve, and with those three pitches, can be effective.
i guess i would also point out that, beyond the sinking fastball, i don't know that thompson has a second plus pitch, let alone a third.
but the bigger point is that when arguing for reyes, rather than w/l record or era, i'd look at things like strikeout rate and ops against - places i think he's got a pretty clear advantage.
i guess this argument can also be viewed in terms of risk/reward potential. with thompson, even though he's young, his peripherals suggest to me that he pretty much is what he is - probably not going to get much better. he's going to be a 5-5.5 era guy. which, in fairness: not bad for a fifth starter. reyes, on the other hand, fluctuates much more right now - some good starts, some terrible. but his peripherals, to me, suggest he could improve quite a bit.
there's certainly an argument to be made for the dependable, known quantity (thompson), especially in the #5 slot. i just think there's also an argument to be made for the potential (reyes), especially since that potential is better than #5. and that's the argument i favor.
Thompson has other pitches he can rely on to win
He had to work around that problem with different pitches and relied heavily on his slider (I believe). I think Thompson has 3 pitches even though he primarily uses a sinker. I may be wrong about the number but that's what I recall.
Also, I agree that people are focusing on different things and that their are 2 valid arguments than can be made.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Thompson has 3 pitches
www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Brad_Thompson/
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant to say change-up not change
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
A bit of a quibble
His curve is poor, IMO, and at this point in his career it's not likely to ever rise above mediocre. His changeup is quite good when properly spotted, but his control of it within the strike zone has been a big problem.
Where I differ most strongly in assessments of Reyes' upside is that I don't think he'll be able to maintain his strikeout rate and ops against, given the limitations of his stuff. At the same time, I think Thompson has the potential for improvement, although perhaps not dramatic improvement. I like his stick-to-it-tiveness, and anyone who throws 50-plus innings of scoreless ball in Double A has got possibilities.
Plus, I tend to favor the pitcher who gives you more innings per start. Reyes' "upside" comes at the expense of wearing down the bullpen at a greater rate than Thompson would, I believe, if Thompson were used consistently.
by Dexter Westbrook on Sep 5, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point we have more than enough bullpen
I don't see where everyone says his 4seam is average. lbros posted some number that showed the results don't agree with that opinion.
In 2006 his changeup was in the top 5 based on OPS agains when they put it in play or swung and missed. (see: Bill James)
yep....
Right
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
his era is 5.63
nobody's saying reyes is good, nor that he's necessarily better than the others. but the suggestion is being made that he is worse, and i'm saying it isn't so. the suggestion is being made that thompson / wellemeyer are preferable to reyes because the team has won when they started. i'm saying that's not a logical argument.
No, the argument made
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes has had big inning implosions
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
brad's era as a starter only
as posted yesterday (and elsewhere in this thread), thompson's problem is a general one: he can't get hitters out consistently. his opponent average and opponent slugging are among the worst in the league this year.
reyes' problem is a narrow one: he hasn't avoided the big inning this year. but that's a more easily corrected problem than brad's, which is that he just isn't very good.
Are you including
Anyway, I don't think Reyes' problem is narrow. I don't think he can handle pressure given his RISP performance. He seems a lot like Wells in that respect. No matter his talent (you think he has more talent than I do), if he can't handle pressure in jams, that's not a small or narrow problem. It may very well be insurmountable.
I don't think Thompson is a great pitcher. But I think he's more reliable than Reyes, at least at this time.
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
re double duty
as for reyes' ability to handle pressure: he did, you may recall, pitch a gem in game 1 of the world series last year. on the road, no less --- and against the other team's ace. that's about as pressure-packed as it gets, and he handled that just fine. he also hung in there in his start vs the mets in the nlcs --- not a good start, but he kept the cards in a tie despite not having pitched in almost 3 weeks.
he also started the game late last september that broke the cardinals' final losing streak --- when the whole baseball world was comparing the cards to the '64 phillies and waiting for them to collapse. he pitched into the 7th and allowed just 1 run.
so i don't agree that he wilts under pressure.
yes, but in the WS game
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The poster below and one above
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It would have been interesting
As far as the win/loss record Bernie presented: the proper caveat was noted that such win/loss records do not take into account earned runs and run support. I think everyone knowa that they therefore should be taken with a grain of salt.
Still, they do show which pitchers (whether it's their fault or not) have helped and harmed us. And the difference between the two camps is pretty dramatic.
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
No one has argued Reyes has been good
He is cheap, under team control for years, we need to make the most of him. Wells and Maroth are worse and much more expensive. They also do not have the upside of a young pitcher that is still learning and might improve.
and I still say
We are doomed (not that we weren't doomed to begin with)
I don't believe that
I'd rather have
Wainwright
Looper
Mulder
Pineiro
Wellemeyer/Thompson (3 inning/each)
on a normal rotation than have Wells, Reyes and Maroth in the rotation. They just have been too many automatic losses as of late and we can't have any of those down the stretch.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
but why are wellemeyer and thompson
That's obviously not our only choice
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I've said before that I prefer Reyes
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Driver Z I just hate to go there again.........
And let me add they should have done the
wainwright
overall 0 1 2 3 4 5
17-10 3-0 6-0 7-2 0-1 0-3 1-4
AW pitched and gave up 2 or less earned runs 16 games this year. wow. And the team lost all 4 games he gave up 3 or 4 runs in, and was 1-8 in games he gave up 4 or more.
I suddenly don't feel so sorry for reyes after seeing those stats.
Thanks for looking that up
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The Washington game
Franklin ended up coughing up 3 runs in the 8th, but in the 5th Edmonds roped a double with 2 outs only to have Juan thrown out at home. That would have given us the lead.
Also, in the 8th inning (while Wainwright would have still been the pitcher of record) we had 2 on and 1 out and Molina hit into an inning ending DP. Which, was intersting since even though he was coming out of the game the bench coach (TLR was ejected) pinch hit for a guy who had hit a HR already in the game.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're talking about Wainwright getting jobbed
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 4, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Just when I was about to credit TLR
What?!?
Why is Cairo playing? He's a backup-backup-backup-backup Tony. He shouldn't start 2 times in a week. It's this crap that gets me down.
Cairo is
Miles is 3 for 7 lifetime against Matty Mo with 2 triples.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a believer
Maybe if Cairo was 6 for 7 with 5 doubles or something I would agree.
He could just as easily be 2 for 7 and he wouldn't start. So one hit shouldn't make a difference.
I know it's nuts....
Looking at that matchup angers me
The rotation for the rest of the season could have shaken down:
Wainwright
Looper
Morris
Mulder
Piniero
Which would have given us a better chance to win. Now, I know that had Matty Mo arrived, Piniero would have gone to the pen and Percy would have been traded. So, I am grateful for that.
I'd take Morris stat-line right now over Reyes, Maroth and Wells.
I don't think the choice was
Otherwise, I agree.
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This was from a P-D article from back then
They did not find a suitable prospect to lead them to part with the former Los Angeles Angels closer, who signed as a free agent May 26.
Percival remains partly because the Cardinals failed to acquire starter Matt Morris.
Such a move would have forced Pineiro to the bullpen and created overcrowding on the pen's right side. As is, Percival has made three two-inning appearances since July 21.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised
I also accidentally came across an article from last December (?? it was when the Cards were resigning Miles) that said that the Cards were pursuing Piniero at that time. Too bad they didn't get him then!
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
9 million or not
4 or 5 runs
by MDGrady314 on Sep 4, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
That's a good point about Wells
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
good point...
So a typical start for Thompson is 6 IP with 3.5 - 4 runs allowed. A typical start for Reyes is 5 IP with 3.5 - 4 runs allowed. Which means that some middle reliever is pitching one extra inning whenever Reyes starts. This puts the team at a marked disadvantage, and makes it more difficult for the team to win in that start. This was even more pronounced in the early part of the season when the offense was so anemic. Wellemeyer and Thompson surely benefited from the awakening of the offense in June/July. But Reyes has also allowed 4 or more runs in 10 of his 19 starts. even worse, in only two of those games (both in April) did he make it through 6 innings, and never longer than that. the Thompson/Wellemeyer combo gave up 4 runs or more in 8 of 20 starts.
it's not just the runs that Reyes is personally giving up; it's also his inability to regularly pitch more than 5 innings, forcing LaDunc to use the bullpen scrubs in the middle innings, often costing the team even more runs.
now, i'm not going to argue that Thompson or Wellemeyer has been much better. but Reyes has been very, very bad, regardless of what the offense has done. his record reflects that, but so does pretty much every other stat.
Wells may be out
"Dan Krieghauser at 1380, who is at Busch, tells us that La Russa and Duncan had a meeting about Kip Wells and what to do ... they are concerned and wouldn't guarantee that he'd make his next start.
As Joe Strauss just said on 1380....
La Russa was given two or three opportunituies pregame to quash speculation that Wells would be dropped .... which leads insiders to believe TLR and Dunc are leaning to taking him out of the rotation.... nothing firm, but Thompson started over the weekend in Memphis, went five innings and is on track to start."
BASTAGE!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
wellemeyer is the real innings-buster
he allowed 4 runs or more in 3 of 8 starts, and in two of his "low run" games (ie, 2 to 3 run outings), he lasted fewer than 4 innings. so they weren't actually good starts --- they were terrible ones, in which he had to be pulled before he put the team in an insurmountable hole.
again --- i'm not saying reyes is a world-beater, but when you compare him to the other guys on the staff he doesn't look half-bad.
True
It's difficult to tell the team "Hey guys, we're gonna win this one!" by sending him back out there.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd accept change for change's sake
but i don't see the compelling case for thompson or wellemeyer over reyes ---- the only stat in which they are better than him is won-loss record, and that's not a reliable indicator of future performance.
i certainly don't see the case for putting maroth out there over reyes.
basically, we're talking about wainwright looper piniero and mulder as the 1 thorugh 4, and arguing about which terrible pitcher should be the #5. in my mind, the terrible pitcher wtih the most upside is reyes. he has a problem with RISP --- it's a small problem with major consequences, but if he can solve it he'll turn the corner rapidly.
wellemeyer's problem is harder to solve --- he can't find the strike zone and never has throughout his career. thompson's problem is that he simply can't get big-league hitters out consistently. ditto maroth.
The big reason
If we had a better option, other than throwing the 12th men on the staff out there, we should try it but we don't. Let's see what he's got and see if we can generate some trade value for him at least.
Right, LB...
so, to clarify: Thompson has been a better starting pitcher this year than Reyes or Wellemeyer (or Wells or Maroth). If it comes down to Reyes, Thompson, or Wellemeyer getting the final spot in the rotation, it should be Thompson's chance first.
I completely agree that Maroth and Wells shouldn't be in the rotation (although I think Maroth should be given a chance out of Spring Training next year), and I don't think Wellemeyer should be either. But I don't see any convincing argument that Reyes is more deserving of a starting spot than Thompson at this point.
but has thompson really been better?
is that a guy you want out there every 5 days?
as i said above: reyes doesn't have a problem getting big-league hitters out. he has a problem avoiding the big inning. that's a more easily corrected problem than thompson's problem, which is that he has trouble getting big-league hitters out.
yes, LB, Thompson's been better...
How else do you want to measure it?
He has also pitched more innings per start than Reyes, thus avoiding the use of Cavazos/Jiminez/whoever in the 5th-6th inning of every start.
I don't really want any of them to start, but at least one of them has to. Given that, Thompson seems to be the best choice, because he has allowed fewer runs than the other guys have.
true, Reyes' peripherals are better. true, his upside is higher. but every game is important now, and Thompson has had better success than Reyes w/r/t allowing the other team to score runs. That's all I'm saying.
he has had marginally better success
but brad still hasn't been good --- and he has walked a very, very fine line. his peripherals don't suggest there is any room for improvement. reyes' peripherals suggest considerable room for improvement.
the question is: which guy is most capable of raising his game down the stretch and stringing together 4 or 5 good starts? i'd put my money on reyes. you can bet on thompson if you want to. i wouldn't do it.
different question...
to that, i'd answer Reyes. true, Reyes has a better chance of pitching a CG-SHO than Thompson has. But Thompson has a better history of providing 6 IP, 3 ER outings than Reyes has, and i'd be more than happy with that kind of outing from the #5-6 pitcher. Reyes just hasn't provided that with any consistency at all this year, but that sort of start is pretty much what Thompson is averaging.
You're asking which one of them has a better chance of single-handedly winning a game for the team. I'm asking which one has a better chance of single-handed losing one. Reyes answers your question; Thompson answers mine. But I think my question more accurately describes a realistic approach to the situation than does your question.
I mean, it's not even like Reyes has had flashes of brilliance this year. he's only pitched 7 innings in a game once this year, and that same start is the only time he's allowed less than 2 runs (and it was against SD, one of the worst offenses in the league). Hell, Reyes has only pitched 6 innings in 1/3 of his starts. To me, it's a huge leap of faith to think that he can put together 4 or 5 "good starts" in a row, considering that he hasn't done that yet this year (assuming "good start" is roughly equal to "quality start").
Thompson is basically averaging a quality start. So, if this year's history means anything, my money's safer on Thompson.
reyes did put together
july 28: 6 ip, 2 h, 2 r
aug 2: 5 ip, 4 h, 3 r
aug 7: 7 ip, 7 h, 1 r
aug 12: 6 ip, 7 h, 2 r
as i noted the other day, over his last 8 starts ---- including the terrible outing the other night --- reyes' era is 4.17. opponents are batting .220 against him over that span, and his ops allowed is .707.
again, this is reyes' current level of performance --- not from some remote period of time.
please realize, i don't think reyes has "earned" another shot --- but in my mind none of the other options has earned anything either. if the only alternatives are wells, maroth, thompson, or wellemeyer, then i'll still take reyes, with all of his flaws.
Agree
Reyes ERA since returning from Memphis
He's also given up a homerun in each of his last 3 starts, 2 in his very last.
Anthony showed some improvement early on in his return but has regressed pretty harshly. Over his last 4 starts, opponents are dinging him up for: .254/.333/.521/.854
I hope he one day figures out how to pitch from the stretch effectively or throw perfect games everytime out.
Sending him to the bullpen for a stretch may give him the chance to work on that.
But TLR and Duncan have to try something different at this point. 3 bad starts in a row and Anthony/Kippers are finding themselves without a job.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
if you add in unearned runs
it's true reyes has gotten hit harder the last three starts. but you're helping to prove my point by citing his opponent avgs ---- in those three starts, which represent reyes at his worst, his opponent OPS (.854) is still better than thompson's opponent OPS as a starting pitcher for the entire season (.876).
this is why i prefer reyes to thompson ---- if reyes pitches at his worst, he's still no worse than thompson. if he pitches at his midrange, he's considerably better. if he pitches at the top of his game, he's an above average pitcher.
why o why am i still bothering to make these points ad nauseum . . . . .
Thanks for the lesson on what ERA stands for
He went to Memphis and he and Dyar proclaimed him 'tweaked' or 'fixed'. That last 3 outings. Then it was back to not being able to get people out who are on base, not walking people to put them on base and not avoiding the big hit.
At a certain point you have to put him on 'hold' and figure out what is wrong. Why continue to send him back out there and let him get his brain beat in?
I also noticed you mentioned Anthony' start against the Padres as a 'under pressure' performance because he stopped the losing streak. He also laid a pretty big egg in early September going into Chase Field against the DBacks.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, he did
but the original argument was that reyes can't handle pressure situations. i cited instances where he did handle pressure, and handled it very well.
the fact that he also pitched poorly in some big games doesn't prove anything. carpenter pitched poorly vs the mets in both of his nlcs starts. he also blew a late lead vs the astros in a critical late-september series. does this mean he can't handle pressure. suppan got shelled by the padres in the nlds and lasted less than 3 innings. does this mean he's not a big-game pitcher?
do you agree with that argument?
if you are referring to my argument
Anyhow, it would be helpful to keep the original arguments clear and nuanced, and not generalize so much (at the risk of reshaping them) as you move down the thread--if in fact you were referring to our discussion above about this issue. If you are referring to someone else's argument, perhaps you could cite them so different "arguments" on this issue remain distinct.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
re reyes' potential
Maddux, Moyer, and Carpenter
One other point about ERA
Thompson's career ERA is 4.10 in 221 IP and Reyes' is 5.19 in 199 IP.
That is a very significant difference. And since this does refelct a larger sample over an extended period of time, it seems like this should be considered.
This thread is so long, I can't remember if someone has brought that up yet.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
but i think that's apples/oranges
You are right of course
And at least this year, he seemed to be actually doing better as a starter than a reliever. His April ERA as a reliever alone was 4.6 but his May ERA as a starter alone fell to 4.26. His ERA dropped to a low of 4.03 during this time when he was exlusively a starter.
After he began doing double duty of relieving and starting in the same weeks, his ERA for June jumped to 5.72--a big difference from what it had been when he was a starter alone or a reliever alone, and a big difference from his career ERA.
His 4.26 ERA when he was in the role of starter alone is much closer to his career ERA than his 2007 ERA total.
Anyway, Brad's whole year has been such a jumble that it is hard to make really very good comparisons. That's why I wanted to mention the career ERA since it does match better his performance when he was allowed to simply start.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
LB, I think for the most part
by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 4, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see why
Kindred has argued the case for Thompson
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm . . . maybe it's because
in the end, it's tough to make an airtight case for either one of these flawed pitchers. i and many others on this board prefer reyes, because in our opinion his potential outweighs his flaws, and his overall performance (beyond won-loss) indicates that he's got more ability than thompson. you, kindred, and many others prefer thompson, because you trust his era and won-loss figures and you distrust reyes' peripherals.
we'll just have to agree to disagree. but don't be fooled into thinking that the validity is all on one side here.
Reyes v Thompson
thompson does have a bulldog attitude
but his opponent avgs are alarming. in his starts this year, opponents have batted .308 against him and slugged .507 --- ie, they've beat the snot out of him. (his stats as a reliever are even worse.) he has managed to control the damage somewhat, but if hitters continue to pound him that way --- and there's no reason to think they won't --- then a 5.00 era represents his upside.
Maybe not
I think you can make reasonable
I do think there are reasons for people to back one or the other. So good idea to agree to disagree.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
One last thing about disagreeing
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick note on Juan
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
Will Carroll at BP
Don't see it posted
As Joe Strauss just said on 1380....
La Russa was given two or three opportunituies pregame to quash speculation that Wells would be dropped .... which leads insiders to believe TLR and Dunc are leaning to taking him out of the rotation.... nothing firm, but Thompson started over the weekend in Memphis, went five innings and is on track to start.
Gee, these things would have been nice 2 weeks ago. We might actually be in 1st place right now.
Dumb luck?
Does he end up facing the other team's ace or hottest pitcher more often than other rotation-mates? Does Tony trot out bench players for spot starts more frequently when Ironbill is on the mound? Did he offend a voodoo priest at some point who now sticks pins in an Albert Pujols doll every time Anthony pitches?
It's probably just bad luck, but it does make me wonder.
Ian Snell is on FSN Pittsburgh
future Cardinal Ian Snell....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes wells etc
I also think that what is deemed as good has been devalued thsi yr...People defending who they back will say well so and so only gave up 4 runs. 4 runs in a start is not that great sorry. especially if u go 5 innings. If you go 6 or 7 its more tolerable.
The fact is this yr the rotation isnt great and when your options are who they are it doesnt matter...Im disapointed i really thought A-rey was improving now hes hit a wall it seems...but i wouldnt bail on the guy...Id say he can be the lesser of two evils at this point but i dunno
Thompson only gave up 4 runs twice
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Thompson
The warning bell to me is WHIP
Thompson 1.57
Wells 1.62
Reyes 1.34
Looper 1.28
Wainwright 1.43
So Reyes is allowing fewer baserunners than our Ace. I call that upside and am willing to try to work through his issues.
thompson gave up 4 earned or more
how does this constitute an advantage for thompson?
like i said i think
because, LB...
i mean, that IS relevant, isn't it?
(plus, it's 10 out of 19 for Reyes, or 52%... 10% more than Thompson. it's a cherry-picked state, but the difference isn't trivial.)
average start
thompson: 75 innings / 13 starts = 5.2 innings per start
thompson lasts about 1 out longer per start than reyes does. not particularly important to me.
Since Thompson has 8 starts
by nycardfan on Sep 4, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
whoever said 8 in the earlier post was wrong...
it's easier to think of it this way: the average start for Reyes is 5 IP, 3.5 ER, plus an extra inning for one of the worst arms in your bullpen.
the average start for Thompson is 6 IP, 3.5 ER, with the bullpen set up nicely for the 7-9 innings.
to some, that's not enough significance to keep Reyes out of the rotation, what with his upside and all. but it's hard for me to see how it can be denied that Thompson's overall body of work this season has been better than Reyes'. yes, Reyes has more K's, and Thompson's WHIP is atrocious. yes, Reyes has one major problem (RISP) while Thompson is just simply not that good. but Thompson has had better results, and we're in September in a playoff race; put out the guy that can get the job done, however he does it.
No, Thompson has had 8 starts
He must have 13 starts not 12.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks for your analsysis
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Thompson has 13 starts
Date Opp IP H R ER BB SO HR
May 8 COL 5 6 1 1 1 2 1
May 31 @COL 7.1 7 2 2 2 2 0
Jun 19 KCR 7 7 1 1 0 3 0
Jun 29 @CIN 6 6 2 2 1 2 1
Jul 17 @FLA 6 7 3 3 2 3 1
Jul 22 @ATL 6 6 2 2 3 2 1
The iffy
Date Opp IP H R ER BB SO HR
May 14 @LAD 6.2 8 3 3 0 3 2
May 26 WSN 5.1 10 3 3 1 2 0
Jun 6 CIN 6 7 4 4 2 2 1
Jul 4 ARI 7 7 4 4 2 2 2
The ugly
Date Opp IP H R ER BB SO HR
May 20 @DET 5.2 5 5 5 2 1 1
Jun 12 @KCR 4.1 10 8 8 4 0 0
Jul 28 MIL 3 7 6 4 4 2 1
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought you knew this from a previous post
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
just curious...
personally i dont really care if they choose reyes or thompson, i have about the same confidence in each, i do think anthony probably has the better chance for upside, but i think one thing that is different between the two is that the team seems to expect to be in the game when thompson starts
whereas with anthony, i think they expect to have to come back from a deficit, and although this is not quantifiable, i believe it exists, and yes, after two straight games with grand slams, how could you blame them
i will give anthony credit, however, for making the at-bat against willingham one hell of a battle, and i really think if you went through his games, you could pick out one or two at-bats in most of them where if he had just gotten an out when he really needed it, his season would be very different, and i doubt the same can be said for thompson, and in that sense i agree with lboros in that we can see what the problem is with reyes, now just figure out how to fix it
duncan is supposed to be able to fix all these rejects, why cant he find the problem with reyes and fix that?
i also think that with kip, how could the rest of the team ever have any confidence in him? someone yesterday said the team quit in the 3rd inning, but who could blame them? i think every time he pitched i would not even want to be on the field
Lboros' win-loss numbers are wrong
Thompson has 10 team wins (rather than 9) and 3 team losses in his starts. I'm not sure which game was skipped, but it was one the team won.
So Thompson has 13 starts, which matches what Bernie said earlier today.
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
not that anybody cares
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
For your St. Louis Cardinals
Oh wait, that's Russell Branyan. Had me fooled.
Ryan in leadoff spot over Eck
Messing around with baseballmusing's lineup analysis, you see that A LOT of the top run-generating lineups have Eckstein hitting ninth, and there are quite a few Ryan mentions for the top spot.
Doubt we'll see this very often down the stretch though. I just don't want to see Cairo more often in the lineup than Ryan though. Sitting Ryan in favor of Cairo is silly.
Wells
back-to-back doubles
saweeeet
I miss Matty Mo
painful
Yeah
gotta be a lot of emotion
The first game I saw Ank
I didnt catch the video on FSN
Just maybe
Does anyone else out there
They don't really play the same position
next year's OF
08's OF -- Ankiel, Rasmus, Duncan -- all lefties
additional power of Ankiel makes Duncan's power less necessary if we need to trade him for a SP or SS.
I'm the only one who sees this as a possibility?
I see it.
I would for sure give Ryan Ludwick
Penny
Did you ever think you'd live in a world
that play
it'd be nice to be out of this inning already, but all things considered, the team could be in a lot worse shape for the next month than russell branyan.
Yadi strikes again.
why do they keep doing that?
There great
What a nice change
Consistency
matty mo
off the game note
regarding Reyes
Froemming's
this strike zone is all effed up
Let's keep
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 4, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
Awesome DUNK
i luv DUNK
Attaboy Duncan!
I love...
Did Dan just say to Al...
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 4, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
WHAT???
They were talking about
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 4, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
in reference to Hungo's love of peanuts
"Sometimes you can't talk while we're on the air because you've got peanut shells stuck in your throat."
yes
still a pretty awkward moment. could have been funny, but al had NO IDEA where to go with it and it just left dan sounding like he had roid rage.
Glad to see Jimmy is confident enough
just wish he wouldn't do it if he didn't HAVE to.
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
Hollywood Jimmy...
So, if a ball hits the squirrel. . .
Or is it natural to the ballpark?
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
New commenter...
there's a squirrel loose on the field...
FSN has been following a squirrel
when randy johnson hit that bird
my guess is, though, that that wouldn't happen with a live ball (e.g., once the ball was put in play). my guess is, if the ball is in play, yeah, it's live, probably subject to the ump's discretion. so if it hits the squirrel but then ricochets off or something, probably still live; if the squirrel managed to take off with the ball (which strikes me as a bit of a european swallow/coconut situation), probably called interference in order to maintain fairness. not sure what that would result in, though - ground rule double, maybe?
LOL
Russell Branyan
Joel Pineiro
Miguel Cairo
3 guys who weren't on the team 5 weeks ago.
Oh, we are all in a REALLY WEIRD mood tonight!
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
two things
- As a new resident of SoCal, I saw the rally monkey for the first time in person the other night. Could not stop laughing for 10 minutes. It's so freaking funny. Almost worked, too. The halos were down 8-5 and ended the game losing 8-7 when Garrett Anderson struck out with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th.
- Do you think a squirrel will explode like the bird did when Randy Johnson hit it?
Don't tell Tony I asked. I know what he does to people who make comments about hurting animals. cough bradthompson cough
Tony read the puppy kicking comment
It is funny....
I find it bizarre.
what you mean this comment?
I was in SoCal a little ove a month ago
They showed him twice and the first time the Angels tied the game up, the second time they scored like 7 runs in the inning and blew out the Tigers.
The place goes absolute BONKERS! when that thing comes out.
Absolutely hilarious.
by Big Red on Sep 4, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Double Fisting
Hilarious
by barefootpirate on Sep 4, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a squirrel running around in the field
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen. . .
Thank you very much!
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
is it just me
by longhornscardinals on Sep 4, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
agreed
by TriplePlay on Sep 4, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
1-1 now
I think you need help
Can you wait the eleven hours to find out
agreed
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/dane_cook_parlays_new_burger_king
I know he didn't square it up that time
not even baseball-related
i am eating alone, and my order came with four fortune cookies. bear in mind i weigh < 170.
i may have been a bit ambitious with tonight's order.
i luv me
it might just be a man-crush
2-1 dodgers
Dangit
Reading all of the negative comments
HOW MUCH did they just re-sign him for???
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
He crapped ALL OVER the fans yesterday.
Then in the post game interview (which was 2 hours after he was pulled from the game) he was asked about what he was saying as he left the field. He said "I hear you loud and clear" and he said "the fans showed me today what their all about. they only care about themselves".
What in the hell does that even mean?
Say what you will about Cub fans, but there is one thing they REALLY want and that's to finally win a World Series. I guess if that's a selfish stand to take, we might all be guilty. And aparatnly Z is only out there to feel good about himself?
by Big Red on Sep 4, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It amazes me
oh please shoot me...
and he said he was serious.
I'm sure that was just the peanuts talking!
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
fortune cookies
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 4, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Hope I don't jinx us
Their pitchers (Ian Snell most of all)
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
...go Beeg Zee!
man this sucks
got to watch the pregame on fns midwest and saw the squirrel sleeping on the foul pole, then take a dive off of it when the fireworks started going off. i was wondering what happened to the little dude. i was betting tony sent some grounds crews out to hunt him down and see if he was OK.
i can't believe i missed dan asking al if he was double fisting peanuts. man, that is high quality television right there.
and with how 'peanuts'
by jeff abs on Sep 4, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
John Wainer or however you say it
I love his justification of not liking the pitcher hitting 8th.
"That pitcher in the 8th spot could come up in a crucial situation, 2 on and 2 out that he wouldn't be in anyways. Or the other team could take the bat out of the 7th hitter's hands in a situation like because the pitcher is next"
No kidding genius, but guess what...the same could happen when he bats 9th!
Now this moron is saying that
Ya, I'm sure his popped hamstring has nothing to do with it.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's still insulting
Over and over again this year, they've found a way when down to mention Tony's DUI.
Classy.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not disagreeing
And I think A LOT of people find a way to mention TLR's incident, including StL media.
fsn pitt sucks
i hate it they dont show all the priates vs cards games. and i hate it that i have to listen to their guys talk out of their asses about a subject that they know nothing about. they employee some of the worst play-by-play guys in baseball.
I love that they don't have Thursday
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the reds do the same thing
most of the pirates
in the sense of, if you happened to catch one, you'd throw it back.
...it gets...
But I like the guy...shoot me! And he does get more on-target and less fundamentally insightful in his P by P sitting next to Joe Buck tho...
They should put the Squirrel in the broadcastbooth
they could fight over the peanuts!
107 pitches through 7 innings. . .
Does that make him a "good" pitcher?
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
If by 7 innings
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
um, 5.2?
Maybe he meant 6.2
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice job Suppan 2.0
Now lock it down, pen.
and Hrabosky..
(sorry... couldn't resist)
I like the guy
4-2 good guys in the windy city
wood comes in
the soriano of assist getting pierre at the plate was looming too large. go dodgers.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 4, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Soriano has a great , accurate
4-2 Dodgers no outs runner on 2nd top of 7th
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
keep your chin up. at least you can spell.
1 out
Comcast and their amped up onfield microphones.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it's funny watching baseball with my folks
Yesterday when Jimmy Edwards was walking away from
Loudly.
Those boom mikes ARE dangerous.
i'm convinced GOD invented
its there for reason my friend, use it.
BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
How was that ball fair?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
welcome to the team, russell
3 true outcomes baby!
by TriplePlay on Sep 4, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
On the FSN HD broadcast
I believe that was a foul ball.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
Berkman up 2 on, 1 out
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Walked him on 5 pitches
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
2 on for berkman
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 4, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
I'm hanging on by a very thin thread here
"It isn't, but I thumbed through it"
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
okay, sacks jammed for lee
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 4, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
It seems a little short sighted, but. . .
but the visiting team's circle is in the same relative spot.
Isn't a player at the same risk with a lefty hitter?
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
the shots of the crows in milwaukee
can i please have a spell check button?
darn
what a let down
I think the crow flyovers
Such as the game that the Cubs lose to get mathematically eliminated.
also, if it was crowds
the looks are the faces are priceless
they all know the Cards are coming, and they all know there ain't much they can do to stop them.
now watch the Cards go crap in their bed after i show the slightes bit of confidence in their abillity to win the division.
Get back, Loretta
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Brewers 4, Houston 3
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
dan/al now discussing rally squirrel
I can't wait for Albert to get surgery...
by TriplePlay on Sep 4, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder why they can't treat his hammy
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He's due soon..
Last time in Pit
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it is apparent
Thank you blue....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 4, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
so sorry
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 4, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Weaver?
Welcome to the future my friend? Don't worry, 2006 will turnout alright, I promise!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll blame it on Weaver Weed....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 4, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
second hand weed right?
"Nobody out as we
Well, yeah, Dan.
by faninexile on Sep 4, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
Leave those comments to Shannon
dodgers have
That game is over
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
while the stros give back a run
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 4, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
Does anyone who's seen a lot of Branyan
Perhaps he was waiting for it to get fair
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Methinks Russell is pretty
by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 4, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
According to FSN Pit
Tony is leaving St. Louis for Chicago to replace Ozzie Guillen.
Really? That would be rough.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
you could almost make the argument
and there's a better chance that i'll be the GM for the pirates next year than Walt.
i had already decided
tlr to white sox, i mean, at least there's the connection there, but i hadn't heard that even rumored before. they seem to really like ozzie.
walt to pitt is completely out of left field.
the cincy rumors have been around all year, but these are both new. i can't imagine the fsn pitt guys have information that no one else, including the stl media, has. take a hike, guys. enjoy bobby bonilla throwback bobblehead night.
walt to pitt
I think the rumor to Cincinnatti makes more sense.
george castellinni used to be part of the
I JUST heard on the radio here in Chicago
by Big Red on Sep 4, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Kenny Williams loves losing
If it's broke, don't fix it...I guess.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
this strike zone is wack
White Sox 3, Detroit 1
- a 4-9 record against Chicago, who is 50-75 against everyone else,
- Brandon Inge's .690 OPS (13 points lower than Aaron Miles and 86 lower than 2006)
- Allowing 5.07 RPG, up from 4.17.
isn't it time we ask Bud if YADDA
any rules against those heely shoes?
Proposed rule
that's a winner!
let's go astros!!!
And That's A Winner!
war ralley squirrel
war double fisting peanuts
war H-town, and the boys in blue
victory
The juggernaut of suck?
I have a problem with your signature....
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it bad that I'd rather see
CHC --
MIL 0.5
STL 1.0
I just feel like that puts even more pressure on the Cubbies to choke it all away.
Bingo!
One game out in September. Hoo-boy, that's rich!
by rockin redbird on Sep 5, 2007 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Third place is more fun...
CUbs lose, Cubs lose!
two of the sweetest words
well, OK
CHI 70-67 --- .511
MIL 70-68 0.5 .507
STL 68-67 1.0 .504
I don't care if they're barely over .500, this will be the closest race in all of baseball down the stretch....what's interesting is that it's 3 teams fighting for only one playoff spot: the runner-up surely won't be in contention for the wildcard at this rate....
and that's a loser!
As I recall the rest of Harry's doggerel...
The Cubs are just bumming, tra la, tra la,
The Cardinals are coming and you will see,
Leo start cussing o'er our victory!
Hey, substitute Lou for Leo and it works for me!
I thought the second line
The Cubbies are worried, ha ha, ha ha
But that was long ago, and I was just a wee boy at the time, so....
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 5, 2007 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
funny moment during Tony's post game
"i'm into companion animals, not wild animals. but i wouldnt kill it thats for sure."
every one in the room laughed. funny stuff.
Rally Squirrel makes the AP game notes
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AtQawwn99fvZGzLP32P3DVoRvLYF?gid=270904124
The burning question in my mind is what's the squirrel's blood type?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 4, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
won loss records
I do believe that some pitchers just have better karma than others. Look at our old friend Bi-polar Betty. He's got the best W/L record of any pitcher on the Cubs this year and has gotten pretty good run support (I don't have the stats at my fingertips). He's been to the playoffs every year of his career. As much as I dislike the guy, he's got some darn good luck. That sort of thing carries some weight, I do believe.
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
11-8, 4.20 is nothing to crow about -
And Jason might disagree about his karma after being left off the post-season roster last year.
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 4, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Marquis has been just good enough.....
Encouraging signs
Russell Branyan did what we're paying him to do.
Ankiel got to his 20th RBI of the season already.
The Cards got up early (2-0) in the first. Then, the Pirates tied it up in the 3rd (2-2) and immediately the Cardinals bounced back to make it 5-2 after 3.
All VERY encouraging signs. Awesome stuff. Plus, the Cubbies lost and got us back to one game out.
stlfan
It just occurred to me that tomorrow, for the
Tony Armas has been pretty bad this year but pretty good against STL - 7.1 IP, 1 ER, 4 H, 1 BB, 6 K in two games. But for no particularly good reason I feel optimistic about Mulder.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 5, 2007 12:43 AM EDT reply actions
I live in a world
If I just arrived from 2005 or before, I'd probably go into shock.
Atleast I have my mental health.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Had to troll through bcb
Nope, wrong, sorry
The Cardinals, maybe the Brewers, are winners, i.e., they rarely beat themselves. The Cubs are an industry of beating themselves, and being wacked by others.
It looks like both the Brewers and Cards will win tonight and pick up a full game on the Cubs. Let's see where have I seen this before, oh yeah, 1969, 1971, 1984, 1989, 1998, 2003, 2004... gee you'd think the Cubs had a thing going with losing.
I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"
by Ken Hubbs on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 at 9:53 PM CT
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Since the Cardinals came home from a bad
That winning baseball has only been interrupted by 2 losses in Chicago in which Braden Looper and Anthony Reyes both gave up costly homeruns that otherwise would have preserved a win.
That is .667 baseball for almost a month's worth of baseball. Cardinals put together another month like that and we can all start throwing our razors away for the month of October.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Id like to say that dating to last postseason
Game 1 vs pads W in her onsie Like 3 months old then
now this yr 3-0 in her cards cheerleading outfit...oh ya..
she also has a Build a fred bird that was sent to us and a fredbird mobile that since she can stand has pulled all the mini fredbirds off...
the only reason i posted this here was the mention of the playoff beards
you need to get her a cute little red
Mini Fredbirds
by yer dog first on Sep 5, 2007 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And some of those losses
by nycardfan on Sep 5, 2007 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not Aramas Jr.
"Pirates right-hander Bryan Bullington will make his first major league start Wednesday against the St. Louis Cardinals.
Bullington, the first overall pick in the 2002 draft, was called up today from Class AAA Indianapolis. Bullington (11-9, 4.00 ERA) began the season 5-0 but lost his final three starts for Indy. He allowed four runs on five hits in seven innings in a 4-2 defeat Friday against Louisville.
Bullington's first appearance for the Pirates was a 1 1/3-inning relief stint Sept. 18, 2005 against Cincinnati. He allowed two runs on one hit, walked one, hit a batter and struck out one. "
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/pirates/s_525548.html
Something changed
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a fun weekend
Sounds like I missed some nonsense around here. Kept up with the Cardinals via text messages on the cell phone. It was nice to come home to watch a nice game like tonight's. Being a game out of first place makes the next month look like it'll be a good time.
At first glance, if you don't focus your eyes too
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 5, 2007 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
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