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Game 162 Open Thread: September 30, 2007

percival

bullington

3-0, 1.85

0-2, 6.00

Well, here we are -- at the end of the long journey that has become the 2007 St. Louis Cardinals. We had such high hopes coming off our 10th championship; we, at the very least, had the belief that we might be able to celebrate another division championship. At the same time, however, most of us probably thought that this might be the year the wheels fell off. And, of course, that began on opening night with a 6-1 shellacking by the team we dispatched in last year's NLCS, soon followed by the news of Carp's injury. In a sense, that night sealed this team's fate and now we're in a place where this team has been only once before in the previous 7 seasons -- on the outside looking in.

Strangely, this season is ending eerily similar to the way in which last season ended. The p-d lists Looper as today's starter, despite the fact that it also has a link to an article saying that Looper won't be starting. stlcardinals.com lists Percival as today's starter, while the article linked above suggests it might again be Brad Thompson on short rest. If we go back 364 days, to October 1, 2006 -- the last regular season game of last season -- the Cards had a 1 1/2 game lead over the Astros w/ a possible makeup game vs. the Giants, pending the result of our game against the Brewers and the 'stros game against the Braves. Carpenter could have gone, to try and seal the deal, but Tony decided about 5 minutes (Ok, I exaggerate -- a little) before game time to throw Anthony Reyes instead. We knew he wasn't going to go w/ Carp -- saving him instead for the game against the Giants, if needed, all the while hoping to save him for game 1. Well, Reyes got bombed but Smoltz bailed out the Cards and the rest is history. And here we sit, again having no idea just a few hours before game time on the last day of the season with no idea who the starter will be. As I said last week, "What a long, strange trip it's been."

Interestingly, the Padres enter today's action w/ Bud Black facing the same dilemma that LaRussa faced 1 year ago and he's making, essentially, the same decision Tony made. The difference is that Peavy would have to come back on 3 days rest whereas Carpenter would have gone on his regular 4 days rest. Instead, Black's going w/ that former Cardinal great -- Brett Tomko. Best of luck, Pads. Even more interestingly, when Tony's gamble paid off and Carpenter got to start game 1 of the playoffs, guess who his mound opponent was: You guessed it -- Jake Peavy.

So we enter game 162, w/ Thompson, or Looper, or Percival -- one thing we know for sure, of course, is that it won't be Carpenter. His loss is one the organization's going to be grappling with throughout next season. The team is, strangely enough, closing the season by playing pretty decent baseball -- they've won 4 in a row -- and stand a pretty decent chance to make it 5 to close out the season. They've gotten 4 pretty solidly pitched games in a row behind Thompson, Pineiro, Wellemeyer and Wainwright. God knows the team has a lot to deal w/ in the offseason so it'd be nice to end the season on an uptick.

What's really interesting, however, is the rest of the NL. The Phils and Mets are playing for the NL East title, against the Nats and Marlins, respectively. Each is hoping that the Brewers are able to, once again, defeat the Padres thereby forcing at tie for the Wild Card. If the Rockies manage to win this final series against the D-backs, we could be looking at a 4 way tie for the Wild Card. You can read about all the playoff possibilities here.

The fact that the Wild Card possibilities are so interesting brings me to something that's been a bone of contention with me for some time -- the unbalanced schedule. I'm sure all of you are familiar with this -- each team plays the other teams in their division 15-19 times during the season while playing the other teams in their league 6-8, usually just 2 series. The basic idea behind this is two-fold: first, it creates the most games between division rivals so that the division titles are truly decided, largely, based on how each team did in its division; and second, to maximize the number of games between these rivals so as to maximize the excitement. 18 games between the Cubs and Cardinals are better than 12 and the same is true of the Giants/Dodgers and Red Sox/Yankees.

To me, however, the unbalanced schedule, in attempting to make the journey to the playoffs more fair and exciting, unfairly favors teams in the weaker divisions. Teams that play in tougher divisions end up with significantly tougher schedules, therefore increasing the possibility that inferior teams make it to the playoffs and relatively superior teams are left to their hunting trips prematurely. And, BTW -- do we really need 16 games w/ the Cubs or 18 w/ the Pirates? After all, one of the biggest problems with the snow-outs the first week of the season in Cleveland was that Seattle only made 1 trip there. As for the schedule itself, I looked at all the schedules for the NL's playoff contenders (+ the Cards, just for reference) to determine their level of competition this year. I took each opponent's winning % through game 161 and multiplied it by the number of games against that team. Then, I added all those up, to give me the number of games that those opponents would win out of the number of non-interleague games. For example, the Cards played 147 games (through Sunday) against the NL and the winning % of the Cards' opponents was .48993. Multiply it by the 162 game season and the Cards' opponents would have 79.4 wins. The # of wins for each contender is listed in the table below.

win % # of games # of wins/162
Colorado .49896 144 80.8
San Diego .49850 147 80.8
Arizona .49584 147 80.3
New York .49160 147 79.6
Philadelphia .49138 147 79.6
St. Louis .48993 147 79.4
Chicago .48408 150 78.4
Milwaukee .48350 147 78.3

It should come as little surprise that the teams in the West have played the toughest schedule -- a full 2 1/2 games tougher than the Brewers and Cubs. The Eastern teams are in the middle and the Central teams played the easiest. Of course, the Rockies' and Padres' schedules and the Cards' schedules were a little tougher b/c they had to play their respective division winners 15-18 times and didn't get to play themselves at all. Maybe the Cards would be in the playoffs if we got to play ourselves 16 times. (of course, we couldn't hit Tony Armas, Jr. so what makes me think we could hit Wellemeyer or Thompson, but I digress).

So the Rockies and Padres, at least 1 of whom will be left out of the playoffs, will have played a more difficult schedule than any of the teams in the Central or East. And the Phils or Mets may BOTH make the playoffs at the expense of the Rockies and Padres.

In short, the schedule should be more balanced b/c of the Wild Card. The battles more often come down to teams in opposing divisions, and no team should be at a 1 game or 2 game disadvantage. Think it's insignificant? 4 teams enter the last day of the season within that margin, and all 4 have a decent chance of making the playoffs. If the playoffs are to be decided from among the 4 best teams in each league, each team needs to be on an even playing field -- and the unbalanced schedule doesn't allow for that.

Best of luck, guys. Let's go out a winner!

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I've always wanted the doomsday scenerio
in baseball's 1 game playoffs to play out.  I keep hoping every year that 2 divisions and the Wild Card will all be tied to include 6 teams.  We will then be treated to 2 play-in games on Monday, and then a clusterf*ck of games on Tuesday.

I can't fully wrap my mind around how baseball would even handle that but I really do hope that the Brewers can muster a win tomorrow, coupled with Mets/Phillies/Rox victories to get that playoff to happen.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2007 4:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Got to wonder who is pitching tomorrow.
The comments that Wells wasn't had success starting seems to mean he isn't likely to return.

by DriverZn on Sep 30, 2007 5:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually thought they would go with
Wells because he had been with the Pirates for awhile.  Then I read in the paper he gets a $500,000 bonus if he pitches 5 1/3 more innings.  Tony surely won't let THAT happen, even if he has to put Reyes in to roll the damn ball up there......

by jillsinmo on Sep 30, 2007 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When is tomorrow?
Do you mean sometime in the Spring of '08?  'Cause I'm pretty sure the boys all start their vacations tomorrow.  

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 30, 2007 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a correction:
"So the Rockies and Padres, at least 1 of whom will be left out of the playoffs, will have played a more difficult schedule than any of the teams in the Central or East. And the Phils or Mets may BOTH make the playoffs at the expense of the Rockies and Padres."

With Arizona leading the West, it's not a situation where either the Rockies or Padres WILL make the playoffs.  If the Phils and Mets both made it(one taking the East and one taking the WC) then both SD and Colorado would be out.

nitpicky little detail to an otherwise very good, informative post.  Glad to see LArry's found someone else that can step up and present new outlooks on issues concerning out beloved team and sport.  Well done houstoncardinal!

by mtalken on Sep 30, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I caught that too
But it depends on what you mean by "playoff"  San Diego definately will at least get to play in a 1-game play-off, if not a series.

Here are the odds of each team for a post-season series berth:


     ----East-----   ----------WC----------    Total
     Win     Tie     Win     Tie(2)  Tie(3)    -----
NY   25.0%   25.0%           1.6%    0.8%      52.3%
PH   25.0%   25.0%           1.6%    0.8%      52.3%
SD                   68.8%   12.5%   1.6%      82.8%
CO                           9.4%    3.1%      12.5%

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't see it
it says that "at least 1 of them (Padres and Rockies) will be left out of the playoffs". That's right -- at least one and maybe both will be left out. Did you read it to say that at least 1 WILL make the playoffs or am I still missing it?

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beyond the problem of unbalanced schedules
I rarely see any discussion of the unfairness of unbalanced divisions.  The National League Central Division has six teams in it; the other two divisions have only five.  In the American League the Western Division has just four teams.  Aren't your odds of winning better with fewer teams in your division to compete against?  The unbalanced divisions also create an additional unbalance in the already unbalanced schedules.  The National League Central teams play more games within their division than the teams in the other division, and the American League West teams play fewer.  This, of course, results from the fact that the leagues themselves are unbalanced.  One of the National League teams clearly belongs in the American League! Further inbalances are, of course, due to interleague play and such anomolies as the Cardinals special scheduling relationship with Kansas City.  Houstoncardinal, you've only scratched the surface of the inbalance problem in baseball.

by MikeG on Sep 30, 2007 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the leagues should have an equal
number, but to have 15 teams in each league would be impossible, playing only 15 interleague games per year.  Someone would always be left out.  The imbalance is to ensure an even number of teams in each league.  And, to me, it's less significant between the NL Central and the AL West b/c they're in different leagues and not competing against one another for anything.

But you're right about the effect it creates within the NL and AL.  Each team in the NL East and West played all the others 18 freaking times!  Within the Central, we played most 15 or 16 but all had 1 opponent we played 18 times.  Fortunately for us, we got 18 games against the Pirates but that, in itself, creates additional inequity.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not have de 15th team
in each league play each other?
i realiza a new unbalance would be introduced.
From Curaçao, the friendly island in the Caribbean

by Johnny64 on Sep 30, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it could work...
It is just that all the interleague games wouldn't happen at once and the interleague schedule would have to be increased.

Figure it this way, right now each team plays ~15 interleague games/ year.  If interleague games were spread out over a season, basically at any one time there would be 7 NL games, 7 AL games and 1 IL game.  That means basically 1/8 of games or ~20 games a year would be IL for each team.  I am guessing if it was scheduled right you could have each team play another division 3 times/ team or 15 games a year, plus their "natural rivals" three times for 18 games.

This is pretty much what we do now, the difference is simply IL play would be spread out through the year.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't like IL play, but if the divisions were balanced IL play more or less in its current format would still work.

 

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HC, you are right
But there is no way to get a 4-way tie for the wildcard.  There is a 1/16 chance for a 3-way tie.  
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There might be a 4 way tie
before tomorrow's Mets/Phils playoff -- which would create a 3 way tie for the WC. It's not really a 4 way tie for the WC but it would be 4 teams, all who might be the WC team, tied w/ the same record.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zubin
Are you basing your overall percentages on a 50:50 chance of any given team winning any given game?  

Not disagreeing or criticizing -- just curious and looking for clarification/confirmation.

"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
Sorry, I should have mentioned that.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I would like to see...
What I would like to see on this last day of the year for our (last time I get to say this) World Champion St. Louis Cardinals is:

Eckstein SS
Ankiel RF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Ludwick LF
Ryan 3B
Stinett C
Percival P
Miles 2B

I want to see that go-around the first time through the order...have Pujols walk in the first and Edmonds hit a dinger.  That would give Albert 100 BB and 100 Runs.  Then, the second time through the order (the "who cares the season is over" order) should look like this:

Cairo 1B
Ankiel CF
Barden 3B
Schumaker CF
Ludwick LF
Ryan SS
Stinett C (relieved after 2 AB by Bennett)
(someone will have pinch hit for Percival by then...no double switch)
Miles 2B

I think the pitching should just go one time through the order for each person.

If Winning            If losing
Percival               Percival
Franklin               Franklin
*Flores/Johnson   Jiminez
Springer             Cavazos
Izzy                    Falkenborg

*whichever one is not hurting at the moment (it seems as though one of them always is).

stlfan

by stlfan on Sep 30, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Per MLB Gameday
Eckstein SS
Schumaker LF
Pujols 1B
Ankiel CF
Ludwick RF
Speizio 3B
Stinnett C
Percival P
Miles 2B

It has Duncan and Molina listed as on the bench...I sure as heck hope neither of them play injured.  (Of course, it has Mulder listed, too...he won't play either.)

stlfan

by stlfan on Sep 30, 2007 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...
Going up against Bullington who the Cards are hitting .467 against, and have an OBP of .529 against.

stlfan

by stlfan on Sep 30, 2007 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I re-read the story
I was thinking about the irony of Brett Tomko's pitching today. He's another guy that Duncan, the mad scientist, thought he could fix, only to find that some are beyond repair. Reminds me a lot of Kip Wells -- low 90's sinker, pretty good stuff, always walked too many and fell apart at the wrong time. Tomko and Wells -- 2 peas in a pod.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting
I never made the connection myself (although I agree with you), but do remember wondering back when Tomko was on the team why he didn't do better with the stuff he had.
"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just curious...
couldnt they have picked a better time to take perivals pic? he looks like that was the last thing he wanted at that time was his pic taken

also, didnt we beat up this bullington pretty good last time? i think it was the ankiel two homer game

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Sep 30, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See above...
"hitting .467 against [Bullington], and have an OBP of .529 against [him]."

stlfan

by stlfan on Sep 30, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's to hoping
the Fish, Nats, and Brewers all play their A lineups today. (if the Nats have an A lineup)

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Fish
are lighting up Glavine and the Mets in the first inning (so it's early).  But it's already 4-0.
"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i really don't like the phils
but i really, really don't like the mets so...go phils. if for any other reason then for ryan howard.

by erik on Sep 30, 2007 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Historically
I don't really have any affinity towards the Phils, but I enjoy a lot of players on their current roster.  There's our hometown boy Howard, and there's a lot to like about guys like Utley, Hamels, Rollins, and of course our boy Abraham Nunez.

That team would be super dangerous if they had better pitching.

by stl tyler on Sep 30, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troy Percival
Making his first career start.

by stl tyler on Sep 30, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Marlins
up by a touchdown in the first. (or is it the Dolphins over the Jets?)

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nooooooo!
What's wrong with Pu?
The anti-Cubs beard lives!

by effin fisk on Sep 30, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jack Wilson
"Released from the hospital with a concussion."  

Glad to hear he is ok.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Prince Fielder
to get the day off against the Pads. I bet the Rockies are displeased!

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yost
once again proving he does not know what it means to be a big league manager
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well,
this should be his final game as one -- I guess he thinks he can do what he wants -- consequences be damned.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yost
is this the last year of his contact or is he getting fired?

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can he not get fired
they can't bring him back, can they?
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fielder Held Out
Is it possible that the league commissioner might ask questions about this like they did some years back (can't remember the specifics)?  Considering the playoff implications, it seems a really poor choice to make on the part of the Brewers.
"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

commissioners office
i lost what little faith i had in that place when they rescinded the suspension handed down to that brewer reliever who hit pujols
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious?
They decided no suspension?  Unbelievable.  Well...i guess not unbelievable...i hadnt heard that.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if only i could master links
he had video proof of a "hitch" in his mechanics that caused that ball to hit Apu. I guess the video evidence of the high-five after he hit him was lost.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
how convenient.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and what about the video of the next reliever
warming up before the plunking to be ready to come in after the anticipated ejection.
Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 30, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Percival
1 ip, 1 hit, 0 BB, 2k

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds
pinch hitting.  Great start big guy.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and wells is in the game
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by Johnny64 on Sep 30, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Edwards"
Nice way to end your 2007 season, Jimmy.  See you back healthy in 2008!
"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha
Kip Wells takes the mound.  Maybe tony figures that because Kip didnt pitch the first inning he will be effective for 7 to 8?  Lets see what happens.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According
to gameday...Wells is leaving a lot of pitches right down central.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other
than the balls way low and outside.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's hope he gets his 5 plus innings
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 30, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice
Inning Kip.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB.TV
anyone like the new mlb.com commercials on MLB.TV?  The ones featuring players?  The Tori Hunter one is pretty funny.  

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kip
maybe the bullpen has something different in the water or better gatorade or something...Kip through 2.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Speez!
Drives one deep!

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Phillies
have bases loaded with Utley up.  This might be it.

by enoscountry on Sep 30, 2007 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oddball Game
This game could potentially be started by a Cardinal pitcher who owns the career saves record for an MLB team and be saved by a pitcher who owns a career saves record for the current team, with a pitcher banished from the rotation picking up the win as a reliever by pitching the other seven innings in between.

Go Kip!

And it's possible for Pujols to walk for the 100th time and score his 100th run in the same frame.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
The gameday feed is showing a black screen for about 2/3 of the game for me today. Disappointing way to watch the last game of the season.
The anti-Cubs beard lives!

by effin fisk on Sep 30, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Skippy's having quite a day today
Although the crappy defense didn't hurt on that one.
The anti-Cubs beard lives!

by effin fisk on Sep 30, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Skip Schumaker!
3-3 to bring his average up to .326, and the XBH makes it more likely Pujols gets walked with two outs.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols
dont see that happen very often.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Streak ends
109 plate appearances without striking out.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You dont
happen to know who holds the record do you?

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just googling around
I found this, that claims the record (since 1957) is held by Nellie Fox, who went 453 PA's without K'ing in '58.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Around the Horn

FLA 7
NYM 1  Top 4

PHI 3
WAS 0  Top 4

SD 3
MIL 0  Bottom 2

The Phillies are in a pretty good position to take the East, the benefactor in a pretty colossal collapse.

by stl tyler on Sep 30, 2007 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Tony just screwing with us now?
Why is Looper pitching in the 5th?  Why didn't he just start?

Albert's gonna have to hit a dinger next time up to keep this streak alive.  I thought for sure he'd get it today but he's running out of outs.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that was a waste
he went .1 innings.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony didn't want him to get an L
A 3rd runner could have done it.

by DriverZn on Sep 30, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another pitching change
wow, this is fun.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Job
By TJ, though. He's a managin' madman!

Now watch the game go to extras and Miles end up pitching again, with the Gooch at second.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting everyone into the last game?
Didn't want to put more than 10-15 pitches on his arm? Wanted to see how he does coming out of the bullpen for the first time in a while?

I'd like to see some big rallies. If Brendan Ryan can go 4-4, he'll raise his average over .300 like he was said he'd hoped to do in the pre-game interview.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
We should've stuck with Wells.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Yost can't be critized for dumping
the game by not player Fielder, with Supp giving up 3 runs before they can even bat.  But he's certainly conceeding any chance of MVP votes.

Tomko with 4k's thru 2.

Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 30, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Demsie of the Metropolitans, I'm Lovin'it
Go fish, Go Phils.

Isn't Glavine a FA?  Guess Mets fans won't want him back.

Play Roy Hobbs Everyday!

by Birds on the Bat on Sep 30, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He can opt out
rumor is he will FINALLY go back to Atlanta for one last season.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

injury delay?
what happened?
Cubs are Scrubs

by Arambar on Sep 30, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Grabow
Took a line drive of his pitching hand.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch
n/t
Cubs are Scrubs

by Arambar on Sep 30, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't look good for our hero
gonna have to score a run in the 9th in his last AB of the season.

Just missed a dinger there.

Brewers coming back 3-2 Pads.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you had to choose
would you rather he got the walk, or the run.  

I'd say the run myself, El Hombre might say the walk though.

Here's hoping for both.

Cubs are Scrubs

by Arambar on Sep 30, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get on base via the walk
And get driven in for the run.

Best of both worlds.

by stl tyler on Sep 30, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schumaker 4-4
Hitting .330 now.

Look out Albert! Another base hit, and Skip's had a .333 season!

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who pitches the next two innings?
I'm guessing we trot out Maroth for the eighth, then use Cavazos and Jimenez until we back into a save situation, then deploy Izzy to get his 32nd.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cards about to blow a 6-1 lead
But if extra innings means Albert gets his run and walk, I'm okay with it.
The anti-Cubs beard lives!

by effin fisk on Sep 30, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols
why is it important that Pujols gets a walk in this game?  A lot of people are talking about it.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got 99 on the season
He's never had more than 98, and 100 is a nice round number that he'll try to reach each year from now on.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

c'mon people
ten more comments and we hit the 100 mark!  i believe in you! you can do it!
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ahhh
it's izzy time... grab the antacids!
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I realize it's game 162
but I don't understand using Barden at SS. He's a 3B, maybe a utility 2B, but cannot play SS. Why don't you double-switch sno-cones into the game?

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let's just be glad
he didn't put him in to pitch...

(and I think barden is probably as good at SS as Eckstein these days...)

"but the rain is so real, lord; and the rainbows pretend..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 30, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I miss something?
What's up with Izzy? Dan's acting like he injured himself and should be hobbling about.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

houston
don't you realize that crazy tony is at the helm?  he's gonna play everyone the way he wants to... and he's a genius, so...
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ya mean like that?
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well i
was hoping for a single but that will work.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the scenario
Albert walks to prolong the inning, then Ankiel hits one out, giving Al his 100th walk and 100th run scored in the same swell foop.

by punditmoi on Sep 30, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rats
Big, stupid rats.

by punditmoi on Sep 30, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shu
STAY AT FIRST!! Dang

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok, well
now we need to give up 2 runs

by tomsteele on Sep 30, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL
you dont think it "taints" the game to do that do you?

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah
let's give the pittsburgh fans some bonus baseball!!

by tomsteele on Sep 30, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dang
i was hoping albert would take a walk...
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, the season's over 1.1 innings early
as far as I'm concerned.

Can they just change the streak to say 29 HR, .299 avg, 99 runs, 99 rbis?

The anti-Cubs beard lives!

by effin fisk on Sep 30, 2007 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats a lot of 9's
you dont suppose that would like...tear a hole in the universe do you?

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talk about ending on a high note
How about Schu going 5 for 5 with 2 doubles and couple RBI to end the season?  I guess he's making his case to replace Taguchi as the backup CF next year.   Fine with me.

by punditmoi on Sep 30, 2007 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welp
thats unfortunate.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone else notice that
the benches have been cleared twice in the marlins-mets game?  anyone got any specifics?

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whoops
that was yesterday

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um, that was a generous call by the ump
it appeared that "strike" was high and outside...
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Phils do it
Where's the poll?  I want to vote for them for VEB adoptee...

by jfs on Sep 30, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not me
I'm all about the Rocks. They still have to hold on to their 1 run lead against the D-backs JV lineup and beat the Padres tomorrow (I guess), but they'll get my vote if they can do those 2 things.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 of 4
of the NL playoff teams from last year won't be back. wonder if the pads can make it out of the first round for once.

by johnstonburg on Sep 30, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Friars
may have to win 1 more tomorrow.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fisk
i missed it... are you growing an "anti-cubs" play off beard?  because i could totally support that...
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops. hit send too soon.
Yeah, I decided the anti-cubs beard was the way to go. I got busy at work this week and sort of ran out of time to auction off the rights anyway. I plan to start posting daily content again tomorrow at Myplayoffbeard.com, but figured it wasn't worth a diary.

I still haven't figured out how an anti-cubs beard works, but I figure it should probably work in reverse, right? I've been growing the beard for nearly two weeks now and will probably shave a bit of it off everyday or something.

The anti-Cubs beard lives!

by effin fisk on Sep 30, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

izzy has to make it interesting....
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy
is trying to keep Albert's streak alive.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and
bautista is doing everything possible to make sure izzy fails.

by brindled on Sep 30, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
that's it.  Guess Albert's streak is over.  I'm glad the HR and RBI streak is alive, though.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we not just delete runs scored from the streak?
Has anyone else started a career with 7 seasons of >.300, 30 home runs, and 100 rbis?

by stl tyler on Sep 30, 2007 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that;s a winner!
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 30, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

looks like we're picking #13 next year...
rockies up 1-0!!!
"but the rain is so real, lord; and the rainbows pretend..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 30, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a winner
a record breaker on the last game of the year.  Most number of pitchers.

At least we have 2006 to think of.  If the Pads get knocked out every Cardinal playoff opponent will be out of the postseason.  That's a lot more disappointing end than us.

by enoscountry on Sep 30, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy & The Zombies
Whew!

Thanks for going out on a win guys.

"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Colorado gets in
I would pick them, but the Phills are not a bad choice either.

by DriverZn on Sep 30, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And That's A Winner!!!!
great way to end the year gents.

so long season from hell. may we never have another half as bad.

thanks every one for making this season bareable. without you guys, i would have "officially" gone insane. you guys are the best fans in baseball, and i really appreciate you letting me hang out with you. thanks Larry for making VEB the best Cardinals site.

War VEB & the best fans in the game

War the come back of Rick Ankiel

War the greatness of Albert Pujols

War whoever faces the flubs in the first round

War Eagle taking it to the Gators in the swamp

War the Cardinals winning it all in 2008

thanks again every one. you are the best.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

War Eagle taking it to the Gators in the swamp
You're damn right!  Auburn grad 2007 here.  Our season is back on track, but that game nearly gave me a coronary.  What a great kicker!
Re-acquire Edgar Renteria

by Mr Redbird on Sep 30, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i knew there was an Auburn grad
on here. but i couldnt remember who it was. last time i did the "war" thing i knew the auburn grad had a comment. so after that big win i threw that in for you. congrats, especially after urban pull that cheap shot on the first field goal. now make sure you guys take out bamma too. nick saban is just as big of a jerk as meyer is.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me about it
Living here in Alabama, you'd think that Nick Saban was the second coming of Jesus, it's absolutely sickening.  The worst it got was after they beat Arkansas and we lost to Miss. St. (the only game I've gone to this year, ugh).  It was like a foregone conclusion to them that they would go undefeated and win a national championship.  Well, whatever, I'm still smiling about last night :D

And thanks for the props, brother.  Any time my team can knock off the #4 team in the country on their home field, I'd be glad to do it for you (if only I could).

Re-acquire Edgar Renteria

by Mr Redbird on Oct 1, 2007 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
for another fun season Cards!!!  It wasn't real pretty but hey we did just win the World Series so this down year didn't sting as much, now lets come out winning in 2008 on our way back to October!!

I tip my cap to the Redbirds!!!!
Looking forward to 2008!!!!

by KYCards on Sep 30, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations
Phillies and Go Rockies!  Nothing against the Padres, I just like the idea of Colorado playing on fire at season's end and slipping in under the wire.
"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto
I would like to see the Rockies make it.  But if not, I will get behind the Phillies in the NL.

Thanks to everyone at VEB, especially our host, LB, and his back-up posters, Val, eric and Houston.  You all made this season from hell easier to take.  Go 2008 Cards!  When does spring training start?    

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 30, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh...
...in the spring? :)
"Requiescat In Pace - 2007 Zombie Cardinals"

by AustinBOB on Sep 30, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really!?!
I did not know that.  Well, duh, it starts in the spring.  But I know I will be missing Cardinal baseball long before that, like about next week (or probably tomorrow, if I am honest about it).    

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 30, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Offseason at VeB
Offseasons around here are a ton of fun. Stick around and pitchers and catchers will report before you notice the gloves stopped poppin'.

by liam on Sep 30, 2007 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't go anywhere
we'll be here all offseaon. It promises to be a busy one!

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Quentin
is making things a little more difficult for the Rockies.  He just hit an RBI-single in the top of the 7th to tie the game, 1-1.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish that
Ubaldo Jimenez was a future redbird! ;)

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Duncan could convert him into, pitch to contac?
And TLR could complain about him smiling and then demote him to Memphis?

Now if those two leave, bring him on.

by DriverZn on Sep 30, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as do i
as do i...or franklin morales would be groovy too.

by erik on Sep 30, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and greg reynolds would be nice too
the cardinals need to learn to draft better pitching, or things will not get better...ok i'm done.

by erik on Sep 30, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice way to end the season
78-84 doesn't look that great, but when you consider the roster and all the problems they faced this year, it's actually remarkable they didn't do significantly worse.

Waiting for '08...

by Petkovsek on Sep 30, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rockies update
1st & 3rd, no outs, Helton at the dish, bottom 8th.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Helton
walks on 5 pitches.  Bases juiced for Garret Atkins.  No outs.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phillies Mets
I guess I missed the Mets blowing things.  Too bad; they were a better team than Philly I think.  But things look bright for the Rox.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not lately.
The Mets have been crappy the last month.  They totally blew their lead.

Hell, they were "better" than us last year, too.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But arent you glad
they made history for greatest collapse and not the 06 Cards?
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap..with replacement actors

by punchinjudy on Sep 30, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
of course.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well as everyone here knows
I was very glad that we (or John Smoltz) pulled things out last year.  I could see the train wreck approach (before most anybody) and realized how damaging it could be to the franchise.

But that doesn't mean I really wish such a collapse on another team- unless it benefited the Cardinals.  I honestly think the Mets have a better all-around team than the Phillies and so I'd perfer to see the Mets in the post-season.

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?? I hadn't noticed...
<sarcasm off> Yes, I know but I think the Mets are better overall and have been better most of the season.  Watching a few of their last few games it is clear (to me at least) they choked.  Its not how I want a division to be decided unless, of course, it benefits the Cardinals.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't the Phils
have the record for biggest pennant-choking collapse?  I'm fine with them benefiting from one.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Oct 1, 2007 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tlr to meet with
Cards brass Monday...http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270930123
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap..with replacement actors

by punchinjudy on Sep 30, 2007 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rockies win!
Barely.  Not before letting ARI score 2 more runs.

by spants on Sep 30, 2007 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Positive note
The Cardinals will have the longest regular season winning streak going into 2008 :)
Re-acquire Edgar Renteria

by Mr Redbird on Sep 30, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Peavy vs. Fogg
in Colorado.

As much as I like the Rockies - I'd say the Padres have the advantage.  

Note the Padres faced the same situation we faced last year.  Have your #1 go on Sunday and go for the win, or save him for the makeup/play-in game.  They kept Peavy off the hill and now they have to play.

 

by enoscountry on Sep 30, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

when did francis last pitch?
i'd say you would have to bump him up, unless he just pitched in the past couple of days

by erik on Sep 30, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he pitched Friday night
Maybe he could go an inning or two if needed.
Call up Jarrett Hoffpauir!

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 30, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He threw Friday vs. Webb
he could probably come back and throw a couple, if needed.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's too bad
that wasn't addressed in today's post. ;) j/k

"Interestingly, the Padres enter today's action w/ Bud Black facing the same dilemma that LaRussa faced 1 year ago and he's making, essentially, the same decision Tony made. The difference is that Peavy would have to come back on 3 days rest whereas Carpenter would have gone on his regular 4 days rest. Instead, Black's going w/ that former Cardinal great -- Brett Tomko. Best of luck, Pads. Even more interestingly, when Tony's gamble paid off and Carpenter got to start game 1 of the playoffs, guess who his mound opponent was: You guessed it -- Jake Peavy."

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't trying to pull
a Bernie there, although I should have referenced the lboros sentence.

I just thought it interesting that last year everybody put up Tony as a genius for the pull, when he really only got lucky.  This year we can see how smart the plan is when the other team doesn't lose.

by enoscountry on Sep 30, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think it was the right move
by both. It worked out last year; not so much this year. But I'd rather have Peavy on the mound rather than Fogg Monday. Also, had they gone w/ Peavy today (on short rest) he still couldn't go again until game 3 unless he went on short rest again -- a doubtful proposition. By going tomorrow, he'll still be available in game 3 should they win. It was a reasonable gamble last year and a reasonable gamble this year as well.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also don't forget
Tony knew Smoltz was pitching for Atlanta.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2007 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!
Thanks to the Cards for an exciting season. Let's get 'em next year!

And thanks to Larry and everyone who makes this board the best Cards community on the internet.

by birdjam on Sep 30, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Thanks!
To Larry and all involved. I too would have lost my mind--what's left of it, anyway--if not for the level heads on this site always keeping it informative, fun, and civil. I usually hate offseason, but this one can't get here fast enough for me. I look forward to lots of yak on every possibility imaginable throughout the winter. Let's just hope we get better news than the Kipster this time around. Goodbye and good riddance to the annus horribilus that was 2007. Now...if some nice team could just knock out the Cubs post haste, I'll be able to enjoy october baseball with nary a whisper of really caring who wins. Pure baseball. It's good for what ails ya (not as good as playoff games in Busch, but...). Here's to '08!! May the purse strings loosen and the injury bugs move on to some other worthy host.

by rockin redbird on Oct 1, 2007 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that!
To a nice team (like the D-backs) knocking the Cubs out in the first round and to the injury bug moving on to another team in '08!

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 1, 2007 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its amazing...
All I can do is fantasize about the crisp green grass and the promise of opening day and a clean slate.  I grew up watching the runnin' redbirds of the '80s, but I'll always credit this generation of birds teams with making me feel like I'm actually part of something.  we played more baseball games than ANYONE from 2004-2006.  we had 6 of 7* NL Central titles this decade.

its so funny to talk to cubs / phillies / etc. fans who are experiencing this for the first time in a while - we are truly lucky and rewarded at the same time for our undying support of the home team - and so with that, I say bring on spring training and 2008 - it can't happen soon enough.

i'm keeping ankiel's game-winning triple in my mind from the last home game as a promise for the future.  here's to making the right moves this offseason, and getting after it come spring time.  there's ALWAYS next season, and that's why you never stop playing the game.

Retire #51!

by getupbaby51 on Oct 1, 2007 5:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

schedule data
I can't find any contact info for any authors, so I'll leave my request here:

Did you have a nicely formatted league-schedule in order to crunch the numbers for this post?  I'm looking for something where I can easily figure out (yay, Excel) the number of games each team played against other teams, separated by home and away games.  If anybody has that information or know of a  good source, please let me know.  skyking162 at gmail  Thanks!  -Sky

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 6, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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