Game 155 Open Thread, September 23, 2007
by chuckb on Sep 23, 2007 12:58 AM EDT
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What a long, strange trip it's been
Well, in my never-ending quest to say something nice about the current state of the franchise, I wound up back where I finished up last Sunday - with the team's current ace. Wouldn't it be great if we could end the season at home w/ a Wainwright vs. Oswalt matchup? Two aces, batting back and forth for two franchises heading in the wrong direction. Alas, it was not to be!
So the first interesting storyline is the issue of today's opponent - the Astros. For the last 6 seasons, these 2 have battled respectfully, but mercilessly, for the NL Central, and a couple of times, the National League titles. There was a tie for the division title - where 1 team (Astros) won the season series with Cardinals claiming the Wild Card. The Astros' fans have never forgotten nor forgiven the Cardinals for hanging the "2001 Division Co-Champs" banner in Busch II and now Busch III. (Never mind the fact that the commish gave the go-ahead.) Adding insult to injury, the Cards advanced to the NLCS while the Astros succumbed to their then-nemesis (in the playoffs, at least) -- the Braves.
Once the Astros dispatched the Braves with an 18th inning Chris Burke homer in the Division Series, a game in which Roger Clemens pitched in relief, they moved on to face the Cards in the NLCS. It was an epic series - one that ended w/ a walk-off blast of the bat of Jim Edmonds in Game 6, only to be followed in game 7 by Edmonds' series-saving catch off the bat of Brad Ausmus and then Pujols' double and Rolen's homer off Roger Clemens in the 7th. The Cards moved on to the Series and the Astros went home.
The next year the Astros got revenge, but not until Albert Pujols hit his mammoth shot off of Brad Lidge - even Astros' will acknowledge that Lidge has never been the same since. I'll never forget seeing Andy Pettitte mouth the words "Oh my God!" while watching Pujols's homer bang off the glass behind the Juice Box's infamous choo-choo. Still, the series ended in the next game in St. Louis as today's starter proved to be too much for the Cardinals' lineup.
Why the history lesson? Because today, these 2 teams who have, arguably, been the preeminent franchises of the National League for the first part of this century, are in the midst of quite a tailspin. Both have aging rosters that have been hurt by injuries, free-agency departures, and lackluster farm systems. Today, these teams who were once known for their pitching now are ranked 11th and 12th in the NL in pitching by ERA. The Astros are likely on their way to 90 losses and, if the Cards keep playing the way they have been, they'll end up in 4th place.
Each has the challenge of rebuilding their respective pitching staffs and finding starting shortstops who can be productive offensively in order to return to the top of the division standings. Each team was hoping that this game would be as meaningful as it has been in the previous six seasons in determining this year's division champ. Instead, both are relegated to playing out the string with minor leaguers and has-beens in their starting lineups.
Secondly, will our vaunted lineup of Cairo, Miles, et al even get one out of the infield against Oswalt? We've been bad against some of the NL's weaker pitchers but we've been positively inept against Oswalt this year. And with Pujols, Duncan, and most of the rest of our starters in the infirmary, it could be tough-sledding for the offense tonight.
Just this year, Oswalt is 2-0 w/ a 0.78 ERA in 23 IP vs. the Cards - doesn't bode well for today's lineup which will, undoubtedly, include such stalwarts as Miles, Cairo, and Schumaker.
Here are the career numbers for Oswalt vs. the home team:
| W | L | IP | ERA | H | HR | BB | K |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 9 | 5 | 144.2 | 2.92 | 143 | 12 | 27 | 115 |
Wellemeyer, of course, goes for the Cardinals. In his last start, against the Phils, we managed to keep the relievers in the 'pen for all of 2 innings. He did go 6 IP in a start in June against the Mets but I suspect that tonight's game will feature one of our vintage "Parade of the thousand relievers!" Loosen up your arms, boys! -- Tonight, everybody pitches!
The other interesting storylines include - could this be LaRussa's last game in St. Louis as the Cards' manager? I think each of us believes, especially the way the season has played out and considering LaRussa's ambiguous comments about returning, that it might be. I'm not sure about my opinion about LaRussa's future with the team. We do need to get younger and much of our future is presently at Memphis and Springfield and I'm not sure that LaRussa is the best man to steer the ship into our future.
That said, I think that LaRussa is often underappreciated, both by Cards' fans and around the country, for what a great manager he truly is. That doesn't mean, of course, that he'll be the best manager for the Cardinals over the next few years. But sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for, b/c it just might come true. There are, certainly, no assurances that LaRussa's replacement will be more effective than LaRussa would be, either. Interestingly, LaRussa's potential swan-song will play out on Tony LaRussa bobblehead day at Busch III. So, if it is LaRussa's last appearance among the home crowd at Busch, at least the fans will leave with something by which to remember him - aside from the 6 division titles, 2 World Series appearances, and World Championship, of course.
Lastly, this is the final game at Busch III this season - one that too many Cardinal fans, myself included, has found to have gone on far too long. What a long, strange trip it's been, indeed. Many of us will be glad when it's over - the hot stove season will be here soon and we can look forward to actually improving the team, rather than continuing to watch the lineup and rotation emaciate. It's been a long time since Cards' fans have grown this weary of the home bunch. And, of course, all this drama will play out in prime time, on ESPN (I bet they're glad to get such a stirring matchup opposite the NFL Sunday night game!), with the wonderfully eloquent, intellectually-gifted, and statistically masterful Joe Morgan inundating us with his wealth of knowledge.
At least the game should make for interesting conversation! Thankfully, our long, strange trip has about reached the station.
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whoops
Great drinking game: take a shot every time Joe Morgan says "consistency" or "Tony Perez."
Joe
Problem-wise, I think I'd start with
Anyone
yeah and hopefully
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2007 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
A lightbulb burns brightest
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, though with a softer tone
by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 23, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Great recap of where the two franchises are
Anyone who watched the game last night, why were there players laying on the bullpen mound when Rick hit his HR?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 2:30 AM EDT reply actions
Great post hc
And if this truly is La Russa's last home game in St. Louis, then I fare thee well. I think you hit it right on the head, saying:
LaRussa is often underappreciated, both by Cards' fans and around the country, for what a great manager he truly is. That doesn't mean, of course, that he'll be the best manager for the Cardinals over the next few years. But sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for, b/c it just might come true.
That exactly expresses my sentiment. I love La Russa, he brought me the 2006 championship. Too many people underappreciate him, and if we struggle mightily under a new manager next year, I hope people will remember Tony kindly.
One other thing...in 2001, we didn't make the NLCS, but, we did play the eventual World Champion Diamondbacks to the very end, giving them a hell of a series, while the Astors (as per usual, at the time) rolled over and played dead in the playoffs against the Braves. Just an error I caught :)
Long time listener, first time caller...
You so wonderfully encapsulated my thoughts on LaRussa, I had to say thanks. In a way, I think St. Louisans lump LaRussa in with Jimmy Ballgame. LaRussa's too smart for his own good and Jimmy's always made it look toooo easy. They're not really St. Louis guys and both, in my opinion, have take a lot of heat for it in their style and approach to the game. LaRussa irritates the hell out of me sometimes but I fear we won't know what we've got...
And we'll be telling our kids about Edmonds, like it or not. If they were both had the exact same careers and were from Des Moines or somewhere, people would set up shrines in front of their respective houses. ...
by thejackclarkfive on Sep 23, 2007 4:41 AM EDT reply actions
I'd certainly
His first 5 years as a Cardinal were among the best offensively ever for any center fielder on any team. His defense speaks (or is seen) for itself.
From Jimmy's PECOTA Card at Baseball Prosepctus, in particular the 2005 entry:
Let's compare Edmonds' Cardinal years to the best five-year spans of some other great center fielders. Using cumulative WARP3s:
Player (Years) Total WARP3
W. Mays (1954-58) 64.7
M. Mantle (1955-59) 62.8
J. DiMaggio (1937-41) 60.0
T. Cobb (1909-13) 56.5
K. Griffey Jr. (1996-2000) 52.6
D. Snider (1952-56) 51.0
J. Edmonds (2000-04) 50.8
In terms of offense alone, over the last five seasons Edmonds has been roughly as good as Duke Snider in his prime. Throw Edmonds' superior glovework into the mix, and he's been more valuable over that span than both Snider and Ken Griffey Jr. in their best seasons. In other words, he's had one of the greatest peaks of any center fielder in baseball history, short of the Mays-Mantle clash of titans, but historically notable.
I'm not expecting much from him next year, and I find it hard to believe that he thinks he can play another 3-4 productive sesaons, but other than TLR, I think he's been the heart and soul of the franchise during the great run this decade.
He probably won't make the Hall of Fame, but he'll be remembered as a great Cardinal, as he should be.
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 23, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 23, 2007 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
correction re: 2001 season
Larussa and Jocketty--Time to Move On?
The Cardinals have been going rapidly downhill over the last few years. As far as Jockety goes, the roster has had a lot of problems, aggravated by some odd moves, such as signing an injured Carpenter to an extension before his contract was up, re-signing an injured Mulder, signing an injured and declining Edmonds to an extension before his contract was up, and thinking we'd get anything useful from Maroth, Wells, etc. Maybe not all of this is is his fault, because the team seems to be limiting payroll despite its new park. But he has presided over a largely stagnant player development system that has greatly aggravated the Card's problems and only recently begun to see life.
Still, if they were in any other division, last year they would not not have gone to the postseason (and won the World Series). This season is the third consecutive season that their record has significantly declined.
As far as Larussa goes--he is a great manager. But not every manager is right for every type of team, and sometimes people need a change in scenery. There are reports that he is having serious issues getting along with Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Encarnacion, and Ryan. This is a problem. And he is now also fighting with the press. His development of young pitchers has not been good, and the Reyes situation has been terrible.
Jocketty and Larussa should always have top places in Cardinals history as being among the very best at their jobs. Larussa is a legend. But with the Cardinals experiencing a 30-win decline over the last 3 years, maybe we need to consider a change.
Reports
I'm not saying you're wrong - for all I know you're not. And it doesn't take away from you're other points at all. But if you could point me to the reports, I'd be grateful.
Reports...
To me, no one thing is a problem. But let's look at the overall picture:
- Rolen and Larussa were not talking during the post season, and at least part of this season.
- No one tells Edmonds he is on the DL.
- Encarnacion loses his spot in the lineup and comments no one has told him what is going on.
- There are rumors that Larussa and Pujols are feuding.
- Larussa publicly feuded with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
- Ryan--a rookie--makes a rookie mistake, and Larussa announces to the press he has lost his place on the team for next year. Whatever you think of Ryan, is humiliating the kid in the press the best way to handle this?
Again, I think Larussa is one of the greatest managers of all time--I'm glad we've had him.
when did he say this?
he really said that?
a lot of these other things are merely rumors. we don't know what's going on, and to a large extent it's none of our business.
by willievinceterry on Sep 23, 2007 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of people
"A lot to prove..."
one (or maybe 2) more for the road
and possibly thompson walking off the mound before tony was too the mound in his next to last start
"The Cardinals have been going rapidly...
It's better to rephrase that as, "The Cardinals have gone rapidly downhill this year."
If we define "few" as "three," the last three years include 2 NLCS appearances, a 100-win season, and a world series title. We have to keep things in perspective.
by willievinceterry on Sep 23, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're understating it, wvt
So while I wouldn't argue that this team has been going downhill for several seasons, neither is it true that this year is an aberration. The team, over the last 1 2/3 years has been a below-average major league team and this team needs significant changes in order to return to the top of the division and the top of the NL.
No, they have been going downhill for three years
2004 105
2005 100
2006 83
2007 on pace for 76, if I round up.
I guess I define "going downhill" as a decreasing total number of wins. Which has happened three years in a row. Yes, last year they won the World Series, but if going from 100 wins to 83--a 17 win drop--is not a decline in team quality, I'm not sure what is.
The team has serious problems. Using Baseball Prospectus's VORP statistic, here is a list of all Cardinal hitters who are at least 10 runs better than a replacement player: Pujols, Eckstein, Duncan. By comparison, the Pirates! have 8 hitters at least 10 runs over replacement. Again using BP's stats, if you use 15 starts as the threshold, the Cardinals have two starting pitchers at least 10 runs above replacement level.
To put it another way, try this game: go down the current Cardinals lineup (pick the player with the most plate appearances at each of the 8 positions, the top five SP by number of starts, and relief ace), top to bottom, and compare them with any other team in the majors. You rarely find more than 2-4 places where the Cardinals player has the better numbers.
In 2005, the Cardinals had 6 hitters at least 10 runs over replacement. Their 5th worst hitter, Reggie Sanders, was 23 runs over replacement. This year, only Albert Pujols is more than 20 runs over replacement. In 2005, they had five starters at least 10 runs over replacement. Their worst starter (Marquis) was 18 runs over replacement level. This year, the second best starter, Looper, is within a run of the worst starter on the 2005 team....
VORP is not really representative, though
Player PA VORP
Brendan Ryan 182 9.4
Yadier Molina 396 9.3
Rick Ankiel 157 8.9
Ryan Ludwick 307 8.8
Skip Schumaker 163 7.8
Well, still...
Injuries have hurt some players, but on the other hand, so has poor production. Ryan Doumitt has a higher VORP than Molina, and has hardly been a regular in Pittsburgh. The problem is that whether you give Molina 300 or 500 plate appearances, he is not a great hitter.
As for Brendan Ryan and Ryan Ludwick--I'm a fan. But when discussing team quality, if you are down to arguing that the team would have better numbers if only Ryan Ludwick and Brendan Ryan had been given more playing time, I think, it ultimately proves my point--this is not a very good team. These guys are good spare parts, not good regulars. If playing a good spare part more often increases the quality of your team, you have serious roster problems.
Doumit is a good example
Ryan and Ludwick have both been above average offensively (105 and 104 OPS+, respectively) so I don't know that they qualify as "spare parts" but rather "talent that the org took too long to recognize". Although I don't think BR is that good over the long run, I expect Ludwick to put up ~115-125 OPS+ numbers over a full season for the next 3-4 years.
Ludwick is a spare part
C Molina
1B Pujols
2B Miles/Kennedy
3B Rolen
SS Ryan
LF Ludwick
CF Edmonds
RF Ankiel
Pujols is the only one clearly above league average for his position.
Wainwright is the only real above average SP.
As far as Ryan Ludwick goes:
Ryan Ludwick is a 29-year old player getting more than 150 MLB at bats for the first time in his career. The list of good players who got more than 150 ML at bats for the first time in the season they turned 29 is fairly short. The Cards signed him to a minor league contract in the off season, which is a pretty much the definition of freely available talent.
His .263/.328/.486 line this season is dead on with his 90th percentile PECOTA of .261/.329/.485. Entering the season, his three most comparable players were Mitch Jones, Earl Snyder, and Mike Coolbaugh. Not exactly a list of major league regulars.
On the other hand, his batting line this year is also a good match for his MLE from last year at Toledo, so who knows.
Still, I'd expect the odds of him continuing to match his 90th percentile PECOTA as he moves into his 30s are pretty low. But we can hope.
Ryan Ludwick
Pujols on La Russa today at Stltoday.com
"I'm 99.9 percent sure Tony will be back," first baseman Albert Pujols said last week. "I think I know him pretty well. He's the only manager I've ever had in the major leagues. He's great to play for. He's always had his players' backs. He cares for us."
Now in his seventh season, Pujols has played for no other major-league manager. Nor, he says, does he want to. "Who are you going to get who is a better manager for this team? Or any team?" he asked.
by willievinceterry on Sep 23, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
same article
I think TLR does have problems with some rookies and I object to what I perceive as blatant double standards. But his core players seem to be on board with his coming back next year.
by nycardfan on Sep 23, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet Edmonds told ESPN
Who knows. We'll find out this winter.
Lets make the last home game interesting
Is
Heads
by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2007 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols and Edmonds not starting again tonight
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
Over Miguel Cairo, David Eckstein
I'd prefer not to send out a lineup destined to lose.
If Skip has to sit so Edmonds can play and Cairo is sent to the bench for Pujols, I'm not going to complain.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all that
by nycardfan on Sep 23, 2007 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ankiel is really the only reason to watch...
it's also probably
I agree with Joe!
Actually getting the bases loaded tonight against Oswalt? Now that would be a surprise.
Answer me this
now seasons over and he is on a pitch count of 3-4 innings? oh but batting 8th with a 081 avg..
oh and john sounds like elmer fudd
OK ladies & gents, let's make this a good one
so it's with a hint of sadness that tell you all goodbye for the game threads. i thought i had another week with all my best friends, but alas we dont. maybe it's better this way, saying good bye the same way we said hello back in april. like H-town said this morning, what a long strange trip it's been. i'm torn about wheather i want Tony back or not. part of me does, part of me does not. i completely agree we will miss Tony when he's gone. when ever he chooses to leave us.
OK, the top of the 1st is over and i've already said too much. am i the only one who finds it ironic & funny the one pitcher who ownes the Cards more than any other pitcher in the show is closing out the season at home tonight? you know just once i'd love to see the home town boys knock old Roy out during the first inning.
here's to a great game every one. give 'em hell gents. go down swinging.
GO CARDINALS
well...
thanks bro
hey thanks for reading my site. i've neglected her recently but i plan on trying to come up with original content during the winter and well into next year.
of course larry & the gang here ain't making my job any easier. but that's why they are the best of the best.
Biggio
Hopefully the fans at Busch will redeem themselves in his last at bat...
heard them say that
Austin-Bob, didn't see last night's game, so maybe that is what I am missing, but Biggio seems like someone the Cards fans should give a good send off imho.
Biggio
by yer dog first on Sep 24, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Last night,
El Caballo is doing his part to help
I hope I am around to watch year 6 of his contract
see? i told you El Caballo wants the Cards
come on gents! get some freakin runs!
no line-ups posted
Of course with this line-up, maybe that isn't such a bad thing.
Way to make them work Miles
is it just me
OK MATT
come on boog!
alright little fella, just get a little hit dude
way to run it out little fella
come on Rick!
Can someone tell me why
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Welley was one of those runs
am i wrong to want Rick to stop
Fat Elvis almost screwed that up. i'm really surprised he's not a DH by now.
man it should be 1st & 2nd with no outs
come on SHU!
scratch that, 1st & 3rd no outs
come on Mini Me Miles!
did Pete just say
sounds like Pete forgot about the WWL's memo about Reyes.
energetic does not equal exciting
Energetic = Rollins
Exciting = Reyes
Names not yet given:
Enthusiastic = ?
Enthralling = ?
Enraptured = ?
Economical = ?
Equestrian = ?
Am I missing any? Who would you nominate?
whoops, my bad
Enthusiastic - Pedro
Enthralling - Arod
Enraptured - Pujols
Economical - Pujols
Equestrian - Schilling
i beg to differ
of course no one is as close to the size of a horse than Lee, so i guess we could both be right. right?
i dont speak spanish
my little bro just translated it for me.
you win.
How is Matt Holliday not the NL MVP?
Colorado is also 4.0 GB in the West to Arizona and close the season out with 3 games against them.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
people still believe
B. no one at the WWL has ever heard of Holliday.
C. the WWL does not pay attention to teams west of the windy city to thats why B is before C
I don't care if it jinx's it
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
here here
nevermind
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wellemeyer is on today
It was bad enough
Now the 5th inning is dedicated to steroids, Barry Bonds, Hank Aaron...
What will the 6th inning bring? Certainly not any game commentary, if this small sample size of announcing can be believed.
BOOOOOOOG!
wonder if that dive pissed off Tony?
Wellemeyer is dealing tonight
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
if Frank pitches tonight
percy should go two innings then mix&match till IZZY time.
Meetings with Tony?
What happened to the rumors of Jockety leaving, too?
The Jocketty rumors were stupid
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
America seems to be getting a taste of the
...and ESPN's, I suppose.
Walt Jockety
He always has been good with the media.
"screw you guys, i'm going home."
not much else Walt could have said. the company line is, and always will be every body loves every body and no one wants to leave. so he stuck to it.
i guess i'm just a bit skeptical. i honestly dont believe all the players want Tony back. and yes, they'll all under 30.
I can think of one or two over 30
in all the hooplah of tonight
of course it's a little embarrassing to be a 65 year old bat boy, but hey, i guess it's good work if you can get it. i'd probably be a bat boy till i was 100 if i could get away with it.
cmon
If you said 40, I'd believe you...
That explains it!
I'm surprised we haven't had any batman jokes.
i'm listening to this now
quality stuff. really makes me miss the STL.
There's something awesome about autumn baseball
We have been very spoiled the last few years, haven't we?
how's that for redemption lawless?
I think
Any one else see this?
A-Rod to the Cubs...with a stake in ownership?
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 23, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
part of me hopes thats true
just because it would totally screw boris & the future owners of the flubs.
but sense bud is going to put his guy in as the owner, i highly doubt it's true.
Sorry KYCards
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 23, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
alright Jimmy
Nice response by the crowd, nicer of Biggio to
I have tickets for the last game in Houston. I bought them in case the game mattered. My son, born here in Houston, is a Astros fan, so I try to encourage his interest in baseball. Two of the The last three years the Astros's clinched their playoff berth on the last day. This year will just be for emothion.
4 freakin pitch inning by qualls
Another error for Eck
Thanks for the memories.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
sorry, but i gotta do this
(It sends you to me without wait)
Say a prayer but let the good times roll
In case God doesn't show
(Let the good times roll, let the good times roll)
And I want these words to make things right
But it's the wrongs that make the words come to life
"Who does he think he is?"
If that's the worst you got
Better put your fingers back to the keys
One night and one more time
Thanks for the memories
even though they weren't so great
"He tastes like you only sweeter"
One night, yeah, and one more time
Thanks for the memories, thanks for the memories
"He, he tastes like you only sweeter"
Been looking forward to the future
But my eyesight is going bad
And this crystal ball
It's always cloudy except for
When you look into the past (look into the past)
One night stand (one night stand off)
One night and one more time
Thanks for the memories
even though they weren't so great
"He tastes like you only sweeter"
One night, yeah, and one more time
Thanks for the memories, thanks for the memories
"He, he tastes like you only sweeter"
They say I only think in the form of crunching numbers
In hotel rooms collecting page six lovers
Get me out of my mind and get you out of those clothes
I'm a liner away from getting you into the mood, whoa
One night and one more time
Thanks for the memories
even though they weren't so great
"He tastes like you only sweeter"
One night, yeah, and one more time
Thanks for the memories, thanks for the memories
"He, he tastes like you only sweeter"
One night and one more time (One more night, one more time)
Thanks for the memories
even though they weren't so great
"He tastes like you only sweeter"
One night, yeah, and one more time (One more night, one more time)
Thanks for the memories, thanks for the memories
"He, he tastes like you only sweeter"
Quality error by Eckstein in his last home game
Pujols better bat in the bottom of the 9th
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
anyone else
by Pujols on Sep 23, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Crap
Izzy teh awesomezzz!!1!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
I hope they don't pick up his option
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well Jimmy's new deal
right now i'm more inclined to hope they just pick up his option and dont do an edwards type deal.
I didn't say longer
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i can live with that
"this crap"???
by willievinceterry on Sep 24, 2007 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
hey hardcore
izzy has been one of the best relievers in the game this year
tonight was his 4th homer allowed, and only 1 came in a game they lost, so why, exactly, are you so down on izzy? i mean this isnt like last year
by bigcardsfan5 on Sep 24, 2007 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeez
Fan on the field?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
I feel like a dope
Totally jinxed it. My Bad.
Peter Gammons
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
i'd rather see the drunk hoosier
It was a fat chick
Here's Jimenez's chance to
Can we get 2 on for Pujols
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
My guess?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Microcosm of 2007
Man, I don't want to watch this team anymore. All I got to look forward to now is Rams football.
On second thought... Maybe watching the last week of the Cardinals season won't be so bad...
alright gents, you did it once
it's time for Albert to ruin Lidge's career all over again.
LET'S DO THIS!!!!
good start cairo
that'll work LUD
OH TONY NO!
lidge is just going to walk him now. should have let ECK hit.
C'mon 5
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
APu needs 3 RBi for 100??
2...
by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching Pujols take 1 AB in his worst season yet
Get 'im, Pu.
oh man
i thought he did it again.
dang you 6 foot high wall. dang you
What a rocket!
Yea and Darn
SO CLOSE!!!!
Dang. So close! C'mon Ank!
we get to see Barden run
great move
by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
verdict: He runs well enough
Lidge...
Cmon Ank
Whoooooo HOOOOOO
Hot damn!
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 23, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
He seems to have Jimmy's flair
That's fine with me
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 23, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully this weekend
by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The win should go to Wellenmeyer!
Kelvin Jimenez
What a great way
That's a winner!
Well done. Good running by Barden, clutch hitting by Ankiel.
Lovely.
now that
AND THAT'S A WALK OFF WINNER!!!!!
nice job Rick. nice job
hell of a way to close out the year at home gents. hell of a way indeed.
Lidge blows
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Unbelievable
I will take this
Nice to see Ank do that on nat'l TV
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
Good for Rick!
Eh
Not driving it like he used to.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but...
That was fun
rick ankiel
All this was made possible by ryan ludwick working a walk off of brad lidge (among other things). Can't wait 'til next year!
congratulations gents!
here's to seeing
Pujols, or Ankiel?
What a shitty season
I thought Albert took that one out. That would have been sooo money, but I'll take an Ankiel walk-off triple.
Thanks for everything this year, guys, as hard as it's been on us, I'm sure it's been tenfold harder on you. Let's come back next year and get back to the postseason!!
Welly
He looked great
Thompson and Welley
man that felt gooooood
thank you Rick.
thank you Albert.
thank you Welley. where did that come from?
thanks to ECK & SO OLD & Miles. if this was indeed your final game at home as Cardinals. you'll always be remembered as winners in my book.
thanks to Tony, Dave & Walt. it's been 12 wonderful and eventful years. if this was your last night at home as Cardinals as well, you will always be champions in my book.
gotta thank lidge. without your suckyness, tonight never would have been possible.
and thank you every one here at VEB. we sure didnt have the year we all wanted, but without you all, this year would have sucked a thousand times worse. it's be a strange, aggravating, tragic & wild ride. i feel blessed to have spent it with all of you. larry, houstoncardinal, val, erik, and every one else that i dont have the time & space to mention by name, you are the best. thank you for allowing me to be part of the best St. Louis Cardinal web site.
i'll see all of you in the off season.
and now one more time because it's oohhh so sweet,
AND THAT'S A WALK OFF WINNER!!!!
welley has had at least two
by willievinceterry on Sep 24, 2007 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
p.s.
by willievinceterry on Sep 24, 2007 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
what a great game
i hope david realizes the fans in the lou have love for him
he and taguchi and even miles will always be a fond memory for me
if they go i wish them well
finish strong boys and get to work walt!
agreed
nice post about welley on that rotoworld thing, too. a 3.28 era with the cards this year? that's pretty darn good.
by willievinceterry on Sep 24, 2007 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
while i'm feeling sentimental
by willievinceterry on Sep 24, 2007 12:53 AM EDT reply actions
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