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Fixing the Cards Pythagorean

Part 1: Fall of the MV3

The same Sabermatic community that thinks the STL Cardinals are the joke of baseball once called the St. Louis Cardinals "a Juggernaut" just 2 years ago.

All this talk about missing pitching we still have to keep the Pythagorean in check, however, the desperate need for pitching gives nice stealth to the huge decline in offense since the start of the Empire, 2000.

When Making the Playoffs their Average Actual Wins per year 95.5 games with a 93.3 Pythagorean. Through 2000-2005 the cards have averaged 837 runs, with 3 seasons over 850. The difference between the 2002 Division title with 787 runs scored vs the 2003 3rd place team that scored 876 runs was pitching. I'm not advocating ignoring the horrid need for pitching, however, the current offense can't support even a stellar pitching staff.

If the card's don't change the offense and score around the same runs they did this year, 726, they would need the pitching staff to come up with around 595 runs allowed. To put that in perspective, the best team in the NL has already given up that many runs, The Padres. As it stands you have Wainwright, Looper, 1/2 of Carp, and question marks to turn into the 90s Braves.

I looked at some runs generated by the mv3 since 2003. The only thing to note is in 2003 Pujols played the OF so I moved Martinez on paper to the OF.

2003 45% 24% 26%
Team MV3 OF IF
876 396 211 230
2004 50% 25% 22%
Team MV3 OF IF
855 428 214 191
2005 34% 29% 31%
Team MV3 OF IF
805 277 225 252

Rolen was hurt and only contributed 25 runs. Healthy Rolen averages around 112 runs. Nuniez's 53 + Hurt Rolens 25 = 34 Runs difference. If Rolen wasn't hurt and had an average year, the Runs Created would have looked like:

2005 44% 27% 24%
Team MV3 OF IF
843 368 225 252

You can already see what an impact 1 hurt Mv3 member means. If Rolen didn't have that collision at first in 2005, from 2003 - 2005 a healthy Mv3 would account for almost half of the runs scored:

2003 2004 2005*
45% 50% 44%
396 428 368

In 2006 instead of Rolen being hurt, Edmonds suffered from the Post Concussion Syndrome and leg injuries, that cost him half oh his normal Runs Created (Jimmy from 2000-2005 averaged 121 RC, his 2006 total was 59).

2006 40% 29% 25%
Team MV3 OF IF
781 311 225 199

Here you can see, again, how an injured mv3 member drastically lowered the Runs created. Here is what the Table would have looked like if Jimmy was Jimmy that year:

2006 44% 29% 24%
Team MV3 OF IF
843 373 225 199

This would have changed our Pythagorean Wins from 82 to an almost respectable 88.

So looking forward to 2008, what can you really expect from the Mv3? Does Jimmy have one more left? Will Rolen recover? Is this a freak down year for Pujols, maybe even conventional wisdom right for a change and he had no protection?

This was by far the most brutal year for the MV3 with both Jimmy having his 2nd straight year where he has performed over 50% less effective with a 2 year average of 52.5 and Rolen didn't complete the season and had a RC of 51. With less then two weeks left in the season the RC table looks like:

2007 33%
Team MV3
673 220

Once we establish the range of RC for Rolen and Edmonds, then we can see if the new boys will make up for that and were we could up grade. Otherwise even with a huge and improbable add like Jake Peavey won't do any notable damage and probably cost the team some bottom line revenue (per Nate Silver's Win Curve article)

Poll
How Will the Mv3 do in 2008?
Ave Year for all 3: 390 RC
4 votes
Ave Pujols and Rolen, Done for Jimmy: RC 300
2 votes
Ave Pujols and Jimmy, Hurt Rolen: 290 RC
2 votes
Pujols, 60-80% Rolen, 60-80% Jimmy: 300-347 RC
8 votes
Ave Pujols, 60-80% Rolen, Done for Jimmy: 277-300 RC
16 votes
All 3 Repeat 2007: <230 RC
3 votes
Major meltdown by all 3: <190 RC
2 votes

37 votes | Poll has closed

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for all the table issues i've been having, apparently this site doesn't like my HTML tags.  It only lets me add them after I posted, otherwise it turns my opening and closing tags into garbage.  

by rocKStark5 on Sep 20, 2007 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

at what point
do we substitute Duncan for Edmonds?  At the time of his injury (~1 AUG) he had put up 61 RC in 289 AB (332 PA), which is on pace for about 115 RC/year assuming 600 PA.  Then he got injured and lost his power, adding only 3 more RC in his next ~100 PA...

I don't think Edmonds has another 100RC season left in him, so if we are going to rebound it's going to be in the corner OF/IF positions.  

"but the rain is so real, lord; and the rainbows pretend..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 20, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Current MV3
I think we are building a new MV3 now and if not then we really should be.  The production of Edmonds and Rolen can't be counted on and thus they should be batting 6th and 7th or lower and not 4th and 5th.

Duncan, Ankiel(maybe) and Pujols could be good but it would be nice to have full time right handed bat (and I am not sure if Ludwick is a full time starter since he has had injury issues before).  Rolen may work for next season but we can't be assured of that and thus a right handed production SS would be really nice right now.

by StLHugo on Sep 20, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

What concerns me is...
Okay we promote Ankiel and Duncan to the MV3 and HOPE they post 400 RC.

The supporting cast for the MV3 else still needs to come up with 55% of the runs.

That leaves CF, SS, 3B, 2B, C, (P and Bench) to come up with  420-450 runs.

by rocKStark5 on Sep 20, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Could happen
C: Yadi had 42 this year
3B: Rolen only had 51 this year, but maybe he could get to 75 even next year
2B: AK only had 22 this season but as recently as last season he had 55 with a career average over 60 (not counting this year and his rookie year)
SS: worst case for me would be Ryan extends his current 26 into 50 for the year, best case is 90 from Renteria, Tejeda or best of all 150 from ARod
P: Wainwright had 8, Wells had 7, so say maybe 20 from the entire rotation and call it low ball
With only 50 from SS then we get 247 with that sum, so with a better SS we get maybe 300 from the starters give or take.  That leaves Ludwick (41), Spiezio (27), Bennett (11), Schumaker (21) and the Memphis Mafia to make up 200 or so runs.

by StLHugo on Sep 20, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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