Game 149 Open Thread: September 17, 2007
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| kendrick | thompson |
| 8-4, 4.02 | 6-5, 5.05 |
these are two pretty similar pitchers; they don't strike many guys out, they give up too many baserunners and extra-base hits, but they survive by throwing it over the plate and keeping the ball (mostly) on the ground. kendrick has prevented home runs more reliably than thompson this year, but otherwise they've got pretty comparable track records. the phils need this game pretty badly; they're a game and a half out in the wild-card chase.
ran across this interview with whitey herzog in a minnesota paper; mildly interesting read. but the fact-checker screwed up the name of the reliever who gave up that grand slam to hrbek in game 6; it was ken dayley, not bill dawley.
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according to bernie
--B
FAN-tastic
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well that's a perfect ending
how is marky mark shoulder f'ed up, yet pedro's is healthy? didnt the same DR do both surgeries? the mets DR?
um,,,,
TLR sounds ticked off
by nycardfan on Sep 17, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
LaRussa's probably ticked that Mulder
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If he is ticked off at anyone
Seriously
I wonder if he can pitch that way any more?
Perhaps
Well at least they are jumping on it early
by nycardfan on Sep 17, 2007 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
Are they jumping on it early?
Good point
by nycardfan on Sep 17, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonight's lineup
2B) Miles
LF) Shumaker
1B) Pujols
CF) Edmonds
RF) Ankiel
3B) Spiezio
C) Stinnett
P) Thompson
SS) Ryan
Phillies
SS) Rollins
2B) Utley
LF) Burrell
1B) Howard
CF) Rowand
3B) Dobbs
RF) Werth
C) Ruiz
P) Kendrick
by nycardfan on Sep 17, 2007 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
whoever wrote that list
by nycardfan on Sep 17, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at those 2 lineups
considering
Why don't they put Ryan first?
by nycardfan on Sep 17, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
I dunno
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I want to see the kid play
by nycardfan on Sep 17, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he will probably have a ph walk-off hr
bad ending=less stress
I've been really disappointed
he wasn't keeping it down. It was maybe a few inc
Trying to be an optimist
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Thompson is such a terrible hitter
Before this game
Did Thompson look tired
considering he had pitched
I'm actually a bit disgusted at TLR for pulling him so quickly...
Well, it seems the best way to right a
Well....
I think people are tired
Its the end of the year, we are out of it, and yet TLR denies us the chance to watch some youngsters play. It would be nice to see what the new 3Ber could do.
Why give Thompson the hook?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
See Tony, much better
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
we aren't doing a very good job
I blame the manager
Brian Barden has been designated the 'you get one AB for the pitcher who is sucking in the 3rd inning' guy. What a waste!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Must have been contagious
I don't mind the losing, I just mind the ineptitude of the management. Like Cavazos was a better solution than Brad Thompson. With a team completely out of contention, what the hell does it even matter if Brad Thompson gives up 7 runs on 3 Dingers? Just pitch.
Micromanaging at it's finest. Trying to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Joke
Not much else to say at this point but bad jokes.
What's really sad
Just tuning in...
Ryan seems to get singled out...
He does have talent, unlike the others
That is an excellent point!
and that really pisses me off
i just got home and looked at the lineups
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 17, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Tony's "Ethics"
Got a point
I wasn't kidding
Ludwick got his career back on track this season, it'd be nice to see Bozied get the same opportunity.
Hmm maybe this is where they pick a
you forget
Disturbing
Tony's gotta be in better shape
On a bright side, our next draft is looking better
Sign of the times
is anyone else surprised
Not really surprising
For Brewer Fans
Cardinals just got their third ball out of the infield in the fifth inning.
Another bright spot
I would so much rather give them
nah
by willievinceterry on Sep 17, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
with eaton already on board
by willievinceterry on Sep 17, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
if it's his tryout for BP pitcher
by willievinceterry on Sep 17, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Listening to Al
Brian Barden
I don't have TV, so any of you enjoying this on the boob tube: impressions and reports would be appreciated.
Yep, we woudn't want to risk
he isn't considered a "prospect"
by willievinceterry on Sep 17, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes' 2-seam fastball
And yet he still has to throw it
If Reyes gets out of this without getting
Had to throw another sinker
the one Howard killed
I simply base it off gameday
The 2 seam moves 9-11" and breaks 4-5".
Honestly, I give up. We have 2 servicable starters for next year. Looper and Wainwright and no money to sign good pitching.
I would like one or more of Reyes, Thompson, and Mulder to show signs that they can do something for us. If we give up on Reyes and Thompson and then Mulder doesn't improve. 08 is going to be ugly.
i know dude
I also really, really hope we didn't give up on Thompson yet, but that's MY irrational side speaking.
Well, rewind if you will.......
you don't know that
by willievinceterry on Sep 18, 2007 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do they keep putting him out there
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
how unexpected
by willievinceterry on Sep 17, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
Shu' is a pussy
no
by willievinceterry on Sep 17, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we just fast forward
Unbelievable
Which team?
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 17, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say Hardcore is right...
Good luck on your future. I wish you luck...but it wont be here.
Why do you hate to say it?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
In happier news
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
You can't give in to hitters
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I really must say
Ugh.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
I still put forth that
haha
by punchinjudy on Sep 17, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol - Dan
Dan: "What are you talking about?"
So, uh
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Nevermind
Screw you Tony.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If Anthony Reyes had locked himself in the
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
If the cards end up scoring 13
I don't know how
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That smell is actually burning
Is Barden still in? Cause I've got a feeling he'll do something special.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Fans do Wave as Maroth strikes out Bourne
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Maroth loves melting down
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
1-2-3?
by mattyfrommo on Sep 17, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell is this?
Tony's worst laid plans are backfiring on him!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
Thats because
In the closest race of the fall
Alfonseca
marothbaseball.com
Weird: the only effective pitchers out of the six we've used so far are the lefthanders.
Anyone want to start a Barden > Miles bandwagon?
How about Miles jump out of his shoes
Just keep the inning going and get to The Pu! He needs the RBIs.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Man all NL teams Suck
Hell if the 2004 Astros played now how would they not win 110 games?
Point me in the direction of a good team.
Did anybody see the Phillies
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070906_Crash_and_Burn.html
BTW - I think six-fingered pitchers should be banned in baseball based purely on freakiness.
I admit
nice
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 17, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
Throw Izzy
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Just missed
Is Brian Barden going to hit the walkoff HR? I think so.
We still haven't used the ace in the hole, Miguel Cairo.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
please tell me
middle of the track
Was that
We fall behind.
Reyes disappoints us.
We come back.
Fall just short.
damnit
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 17, 2007 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
Beyond against us
I mean mets and cubs in the playoff would be so painful for me - although I guess it's good for baseball revenues.
As I've said...
I'll bite.
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 17, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How bout a Philly Melt
Outfield Defense
We would have needed a variation on the Weaver defense to have fielded that first at-bat.
first two called strikes to Ankiel
Please so'tag..
The Cardinals actually have my hopes up
Full count on So...
probably
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 17, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it So,
if cairo gets on
is Barden really up?
So better not get picked off or doubled off or
Just looked up his rates
Courtesy of Minor League Splits.
Damn it, suck their brains out
The zombie lurches forward and...
Please hang a curve to RB.
well poo
Branyan
why not molina
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 17, 2007 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
Damn
Fun game, boys. Score that many the rest of the way and let's finish with the best pythagorean in the division.
I think Brian Barden earned himself a start tomorrow.
How bout
if you are going to be a bad team
On a side note. If the blue flipped a coin to determine strikes and balls...could we tell?
If that last pitch was a strike . . .
Oh well that was about 1 hour of fun.
That was fun
Pujols got his RBIs.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
So close
So close tonight, guys, way to stay in there and not give up.
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 17, 2007 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineup for Tomorrow?
Taguchi LF
Bozied 1B
Ludwick RF
Ankiel CF
Spiezio 3B
Molina C
Barden SS
Wells/Wellemeyer P
Miles 2B
vs. Cole Hamels, who hasn't started since Mid-August.
Why no Ryan?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2007 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought he needed a break
Taguchi LF
Ryan SS
Ludwick RF
Ankiel CF
Molina C
Bozied 1B
Barden 3B
Wells P
Miles 2B
Thought about moving Wells up to cleanup, seeing as he's scorching LHP to a .429/.429/.643 tune this season.
Wait, Wells is starting tomorrow?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
funny game
I can't help but wonder what Brian Barden
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
ya
by punchinjudy on Sep 18, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
they said that all the time
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
For the life of me, I can't type any more
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Loved seeing our young guys
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
the second i heard Marky Mark
so when i get back, alberts up and the score is 11-12 phills. albert is promptly walked. & LUD flys out. the IZZY hangs a pitch & its 11-13. i look at my dad and say maybe i should leave again. he just laughs. its all he can do sense he cant talk any more. but i stick around and sure enough, the Cards come up just short.
oh well. such is the luck of the 07 Red Birds.
i should be around tomorrow night. unless Albert finally blows out his hammy. GOD forbid that happens, but if it does. i'm going to start drinking again.
good night VEB.
























