Game 141 Open Thread: September 10, 2007
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i'd like to add my thanks and good wishes to erik, who yesterday wrote his final regular sunday post. he's added a ton of insight to VEB and contributed in many other ways besides the sunday posting. as he noted in his farewell, he'll still be lurking about in the comments and diaries and maybe on the front page in a pinch; he'll also be ever-present at Future Redbirds. so it's really not farewell at all; just farewell to sundays. great job erik, and thanks again.
i asked houstoncardinal if he wanted to take over on sundays, and he has agreed to do it. you guys all know him as the resident braden looper watcher (he charts loop's starts for the pitch-by-pitch project). i'm really looking forward to having him in the front-page mix. . . . . and as long as i'm on the subject of sundays, i've neglected to promote SB Nation's stl rams blog, Turf Show Times. it's written by ryan van bibber of Cardinals Diaspora; the blog launched in the midst of last season and is growing. so if you're looking for some views / conversation about the rams' loss yesterday, start w/ TST.
here's something else y'all may care about: daric barton's getting called up to The Show.
that takes care of the preliminaries. to the baseball: the weekend showcased all the reasons why the cardinals trail by 3 games in this lousy division. it was all there: the defensive lapses, the uneven pitching, the one-hit-shy rallies, the questionable managing, the off-field turmoil, the players lost to injury (the latest is duncan, who might need surgery for a sports hernia). all the missteps and mishaps outweighed --- not by much, but by just enough --- the many good things the cardinals did over the weekend: another solid start by wainwright, a solid bullpen appearance from wells, a lotta production from pujols, two big-inning outbursts. all three losses could, and probably should, have been wins, but i can't argue that the outcomes were unjust. the cardinals earned all three defeats.
by the way, "questionable managing" does not include the decision to lift wells for ryan franklin in the 7th inning yesterday. that was an obvious thing to do; franklin just had an off-day. later in that inning, another question came up in the game thread: why was franklin allowed to pitch to tony clark with the score tied, two outs, and the lead runs on base? why not tyler johnson there, to gain the platoon advantage? a legitimate question, and it wasn't a second-guess; the poster made that suggestion before clark's at-bat started. but if tony had gone to johnson there, bob melvin would have countered with the right-handed conor jackson, who has been hot lately --- 4 hr in his last 32 at-bats, including a 3-run shot off looper on saturday night --- and has pounded left-handers throughout his brief big-league career. melvin also could have gone to jeff cirillo, who doesn't have much left but can still punish a lefty. so there was no platoon advantage to be gained; a move would have needlessly burned a key reliever in a tie game that still had, at a minimum, 7 outs to go. give clark credit; he fell behind in the count, fought off some good pitches, and kept himself up there until franklin made a mistake.
the entire series thumbed its nose at the concept of pythagorean records (and i'm a subscriber to the concept, by the way). arizona has been outscored by 29 runs this season and "should" be carrying a record of 69-75; they're 12 games better than that. the cardinals have been beaten by 62 runs this year and ought to be 12 games under, per pythagorus; they've topped their hypothetical win total by 10. . . . . a more outliery pair of september contenders you'll never find. a few weeks ago, chris jaffe of Hardball Times explained that the dbacks' ugly run differential is a mirage produced lagely by what he terms a "bipolar bullpen." when they're ahead or the games are close, the dbacks use their go-to relievers, who are all above league average for their respective roles; but when they fall behind, they go to a mop-up corps that is awful even by mop-up standards. hence the disparity between arizona's pythagorean w-l and their real-life one: "they can dependably win an awful lot of close ones," jaffe writes, "but when they fall behind badly they have virtually no chance of recovery."
the same thing applies to st louis, whose bullpen is as dichotomous as arizona's. the teams have some other key attributes in common, including below-average offense (the cards are 10th in the league in runs/game, the dbacks 13th) and error-prone defense (the cards are 3d in the league in errors, the dbacks 4th). the only meaningful difference between them is that arizona has gotten 30 starts out of its cy young pitcher, while st louis has gotten 1. otherwise, they're pretty much the same team. the dbacks look like they won't get blown out in october --- not with a stopper in the rotation, an airtight bullpen, a deep and versatile bench. you stick a healthy carpenter in there alongside wainwright, and wouldn't the cardinals --- despite everything else that has gone wrong for them --- have at least as good a chance in this year's postseason as they did last year?
ah, well --- they don't have carp. it was a discouraging weekend near the end of a discouraging season, and it's tempting to count the cards out. hell, i counted them out almost two months ago. but even now, it ain't quite over; not yet. they've got a game on the schedule today, and they'll show up and try to win; the outcome will have a lot to say about how much the games that come after matter. the cubs' starter has been struggling of late; 10 homers in his last 47 innings and an era of 4.94.
suck his brains out, you zombies.
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I just want to beat the hell out of the Cubs...
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good to see you around
Yesterday you were talking crazy talk of giving up on this team....At least you'll have something to root for today and through this weekend, eh?
:-)
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 10, 2007 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've given up on the team.....
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABC
especially since they only have a couple of years to try - those contracts are going to kill them by 2010 or so.
by nycbirdo on Sep 10, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is today
by Cardinal70 on Sep 10, 2007 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolute must win
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory
Sure it is easy to say they still have a shot with 5 games against the Cubs and 3 against the Brewers left on the schedule.
But with that said, I wonder how many more opportunities to move closer or take the lead can a poor team throw away and still have a realistic hope of winning the division. Such a team has a small margin of victory, even when completing against the like of the Brewers and Cubs. Can the Card:
Loose 5 out of 6 on the road against the Pirates and Nationals.
Split a 4 game set at home against the Pirates.
Have the likes of Matt Albers and Jojo Reyes dominate you.
Get swept in the desert with the teams top 2 starters going in the series.
Get swept in the desert after holding a lead in all 3 games.
Go 5-12 in road games in August.
The fact is that the Cards could suffer a few of these things and still win the NL Central.
But all of them? No.
by JMedwick on Sep 10, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That series
I sure hope that handsome devil Joel has some sort of trick up his sleeve; I don't think I can stand to watch the Cards lose a fourth in a row. If I were a southern woman, I would fan myself and collapse onto a nearby Davenport when confronted with watching this team any more. However, given my sex and background, I'll stick with excessive game time drinking and occasional couch cushion directed tirades. Huh. What an odd tangent.
by the red baron on Sep 10, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any one think the unfotunately timed.....
by Red Blazer on Sep 10, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NY Daily News did it's job...
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems likely. When the author of
by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 10, 2007 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Goal - finishing .500
You see, it's a joke! Revised a lyric from a song by THE Zombies and related it to OUR Zombies. Ok, I'm sorry.
Moving on...I am trying to make some sort of point about how I think we are pretty lucky to be in the position we're in, and it might be time to revise our goals for the season (one of many revisions throughout the year for sure). I also agree that our Pythagorean record is likely to catch up with us, so I've decided that I'm rooting for .500. That would put us as of now at +8 better than our Pythagorean record, which would be quite a feat.
I'll take 81-81. Secondary goal would be having a better record than the Cubs; maybe 81-81 will do that, who knows.
by lightbulb on Sep 10, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zombies
by brindled on Sep 10, 2007 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mine too
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 10, 2007 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brains. BRAINS!
by sdrone on Sep 10, 2007 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be...
by dralexp on Sep 10, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get the Cubs this weekend
by kingalbert on Sep 10, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I predict 1-4
by Zubin on Sep 10, 2007 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan
by brindled on Sep 10, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Per about.com
http://orthopedics.about.com/od/sportsinjuries/a/hernia.htm
What are the symptoms of a sports hernia?
A sports hernia typically begins with a slow onset of aching pain in the lower abdominal region. Symptoms may include:
o Pain in the lower abdomen
o Pain in the groin
o Pain in the testicle (in males)
Typically the symptoms are exacerbated with activities such as running, cutting, and bending forward. Patients may also have increased symptoms when coughing or sneezing. Sports hernias are most common in athletes that have to maintain a bent forward position, such as hockey players. However, sports hernias are also found in many other types of athletes such as football and soccer players.
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 10, 2007 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run Differential
I don't subscribe all to well to that theory and heres why:
Blow outs/Mop ups. When the white flag is raised on either side you rest your banged up vets, put in your experiments and just take her nice and easy at the ball park. You leave your starters out there to get roasted to save the bullpen, when that fails you put in Aarron Miles and Scott Spiezio on the mound, thus tacking more worthless runs on the the differential (I know they both have a 0.00 era but still). You don't put in Franklin/Izzy after Wells & Co just gave up 7 runs. You put in Jiminez and Dove to add even more runs to the down side of the run differential.
Even if you leave your starters in tact they're not going to be playing 100% or close to it.
Runs simply change value and in the cardinals case it's extreme. 5 more runs when you're already down by 6 doesn't mean anything except a distorted pythagorean.
I just did a quick and dirty re-adjustment. I simply erased all the blowouts (win or loss of 6 runs or more) and came up with a closer to record W/L.
523 Runs Scored vs 540 Runs Allowed which is a 68-72 record.
I've been meaning to do a Blowout-Free Pythagorean but been procrastinating, I'll do it tomorrow ;)
It'd be something where you only get credited/debited runs past a certain point in a game (i.e. if you lose 12 - 0 then it should only count as a 5 - 0 loss or such)
You could even make it more personal by team and game. I.E. After Maroth gave up 4 runs in the first 1/3 inning. The bullpen was fried so he left Maroth in there to give up 4 more then normally he'd be pulled. Tony then threw in all his bullpen experiments. they also got blown out giving up 5 more runs, thus a white flag total of say X. If the game was "ran" at 100% the entire way Maroth would have been pulled earlier, more reliable Relievers would have been put in, their average would be Y.
Adjusted Run Differential would now be X - Y.
Same can be applied for hitting too. Take your average runs generated prorated for the rest of the game and compare that with the scrubs you replaced them with.
by rocKStark5 on Sep 10, 2007 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The issue being
by joker24 on Sep 10, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting insane
Kinney
Hancock
Carp
Rolen
Spezio
Encarnacion
Duncan
Mulder we already knew about. We knew Edmonds was gonna happen.
by sdrone on Sep 10, 2007 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep forgetting about kinney...
by SleepyCA on Sep 10, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
2nd (Kennedy)
3rd (Rolen)
Left (Duncan)
Right (Wilson)
Starting Pitcher (Carpenter)
Have all been lost for the year?
by Robb on Sep 10, 2007 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taguchi
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2007_lu.shtml
104 different lineups, and a 127 different orders. The only consistent thing this season was inconsistency.
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other DL participants
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols and Edmonds
We've got a 6 man rotation and only 2 pitchers who seem to be able to pitch: Wainwright and Suppan 2.0
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
have to agree
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rotation question
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 10, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think he might
Pineiro, Mulder, Bullpen (probably Maroth), Wainwright, Looper is our current announced order. It is easy to just start that over again especially if Maroth is effective, that would give us Looper, Pineiro, Mulder and Maroth against Chicago this weekend. Though the way Wells pitched yesterday he may have earned his spot back again at least for the next "bullpen" start.
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html
by Supergus on Sep 10, 2007 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, just stop teasing us on that idea
by sdrone on Sep 10, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the worry
- we make the play-offs
- suffer more injuries getting there
- showcase our AAA roster in prime-time
by Hinkster on Sep 10, 2007 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
I havent seen any of these guys pitch expect for Looper who seems to dominate the cubs, but for the next 2-3 years i see Wainwright, Carpenter, Mulder (maybe not?), i dont know your farm system too well so maybe one of your prospects is near major league ready.
by dylanj on Sep 10, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets see
Mulder
Wainwright
Looper
Pineiro
FA
I assume we pick up Pineiro's option because if he can pitch even half way as decently has he has so far then he is worth the 8M in this market, and unless we get a steller deal for Loop then he is a steal for next year as well. Franklin could replace Looper if he is dealt though.
Carp will come back and possibly replace one of them but you have to plan on not having carp at all or you won't need him when he does come back.
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate to say this...
http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html
by Supergus on Sep 10, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If so
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Rotation
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pitchers
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They were down on him
At this point, the Sox will trade anyone. But their asking prices are high. I doubt we have anything they'd want. Rasmus, maybe.
by sdrone on Sep 10, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of,
http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html
by Supergus on Sep 10, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully not
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vazquez
I guess it is all about preception for each fan base. With his stats he would be our #2 pitcher for sure.
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd love Vasquez
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah...
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRUE
We need a solid pitcher for next year.
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWESOME LINEUPS!
Taguchi 7
Pujols 3
Ankiel 9
Molina 2
Edmonds 8
Miles 4
Pineiro 1
Eckstein 6
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gameday
Cubs:
Soriano 7
Theriot 6
Lee 3
Floyd 9
ARam 5
DeRosa 4
Jones 8
Kendall 2
Lilly 1
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup/Ludwick
Does So hit Lilly well?
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank the maker
I love Yadi but why is he patting 5th and Edmonds 6th? I know Lilly is a lefty and all but Molina is a DP waiting to happen.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luckily I missed this nightmarish weekend...
This has to be the worst lineup in baseball this year.
by guayzimi on Sep 10, 2007 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TV
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That answers my question below
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for whatever reason it's not listed on the
but according to the broadcast yesterday, and this, the game will be on FSN.
good thing. i didn't want to have to listen to the shit heap that is WGN.
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 10, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be on Extra Innings
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, it sure is dead in here
Just to bring this up: In 1973 on this date, the St. Louis Cardinals stood atop the NL East with a 72-71 record. The New York Mets, in 4th place, were 69-74 (3 games back).
The Mets finished the season at 82-79, a 13-5 record to finish out the string. The Cardinals came in at 81-81 (9-10) to finish 1.5 games back.
Here's to the Cardinals avenging that letdown!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bah
by mojowo11 on Sep 10, 2007 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Ankiel get booed?
Also, I hate the NY Daily News. They've completely effed him over. I just hope he can come back okay next season.
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many times
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has hit 4 balls in the last 4 games
Those 4 balls get over the wall and we are going for our 5th win in a row.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
H-G-H
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They seriously chanted that?
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First televised game that I've seen,
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Balls jumping
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that bat was corked!
j/k
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice hitting by Floyd
by mojowo11 on Sep 10, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Molina has changed his gear
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 10, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay
by mojowo11 on Sep 10, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GameDay
by Cardinal70 on Sep 10, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atta Boy Jimmy!
Looks like the ball is carrying out to left. We need to get our boys to start pulling the ball for righties, and pushing the ball for lefties.
C'mon you Redbirds!
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All right, Jimmy!
by liam on Sep 10, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MILES
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Floyd bobbled the ball and it got away from him
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got stuck sliding
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very forgivable
by _pistol_ on Sep 10, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will not cry
by RedbirdRay on Sep 10, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd take him as a bench player...
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone explain what happened on Miles play?
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Throw up a zero Joel
As I say this, he gets squeezed.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds screws with the Wrigley drunks
Love it.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Argh
by hannah_in_va on Sep 10, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday showed that over the wall
by effin fisk on Sep 10, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bad placement
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...gameday...
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Broken bats
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maple
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hungarian was talking...
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taguchi
by mojowo11 on Sep 10, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is with Soriano's little skip on fly balls?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's nice
by _pistol_ on Sep 10, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 steps shy
Why can't Piniero get a call on the corner?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At Wrigley
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
by saladdays on Sep 10, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He wants to lead off
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stick him anywhere else in the lineup ...
Plus, he doesn't want to.
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 10, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was ever a guy who was a candidate
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a baby
by saladdays on Sep 10, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soriano
in 8 PA in 5th .000/.000/.000
in 1 PA in 8th he has a double
in 487 PA leading off .306/.341/.550
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge sample size
by saladdays on Sep 10, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last time he batted in someplace
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same reason Duncan batted 2nd
Manager=nuts.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manager = Nuts
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
2SO 3H Lilly
0 BB both
1HR Lilly
Pitches-strikes: Pineiro 40-26, Lilly 41-29.
Ground outs-fly outs: Pineiro 1-5, Lilly 2-4.
Batters faced: Pineiro 11, Lilly 11.
Pretty even game.
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I despise you New York Daily News
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blame the media.
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 10, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
StL sports cursed?
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to be negative...
I hope Ankiel proves us wrong. Go get 'em Roy Hobbs!
by BigMOman on Sep 10, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh....
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee...
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cmon dude
by longhornscardinals on Sep 10, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Game Over.
Pineiro is done, not fooling anyone anymore.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol.........
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still think it's funny?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 runs in
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This coming from a guy who blames a
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick was the one who took the stuff
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I do
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
were they to left field as well?
by BigMOman on Sep 10, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a FYI
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 10, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank god Carpenter has never given up 2 hr's
by TriplePlay on Sep 10, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know we're playing in Wrigley, right?
by saladdays on Sep 10, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this some sort of defense of Pineiro?
Anyone who has watched Pineiro's starts has noticed that he allows a lot of hard hit balls...and for some reasons, those balls were finding gloves, which I thought was making it seem like he was 'really effective', when he was actually really shaky.
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 10, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Cards
Three loses to the Dbacks and losing to the Cubs. Ya gotta help my Rocks.
BTW: There is no misery that is too bad for a Cub fan.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Sep 10, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tack on another
by Cardinal70 on Sep 10, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cavazos
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly with a double
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF is going on?
by jeff abs on Sep 10, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he was DFAd in the middle of the season
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 10, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Threw it right down the middle
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this may do it.
and the cardinals season is slipping away. . .
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 10, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What happened?
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can Cavazos
by saladdays on Sep 10, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Cubs and Chicago
-their dump of a city
-their lousy weather
Boston, Chicago and Philly are the worst places in america.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Sep 10, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is one bad Gameday picture
by hannah_in_va on Sep 10, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Silver linings
by Cardinal70 on Sep 10, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piniero is beginning to look
Now if we can have a season without everyone getting hurt next year, that's be fun.
by lawman3842 on Sep 10, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
comebacks
by BigMOman on Sep 10, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when will they cancel the makup game
by hex706f726368 on Sep 10, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They are just taking huge rips now
Cavazos doesn't belong on the roster but what else are you going to do? Tony used Thompson for only 2 innings yesterday and fried the pen.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As tough
Sure, I second guess and question his moves sometimes, too. Show me a knowledgable fan of any club who never has occasion to do the same.
But I defy anyone to show me a manager who has been able to pull off this much with this little. Injuries to Rolen, Eckstein, Pujols, Edmonds, Duncan, Molina, Encarnacion, Wilson, Spezio, Carpenter, and the death of Hancock. That's pretty ridiculous.
I'd wager that the Cubs would be smelling the Pirates' asses if Ramirez was ineffective due to shoulder problems and eventually shut down, Zambrano was on the DL for the whole year, Howry'd been killed in an accident, and Kendall, Lee, DeRosa, Jones, and Floyd had all been injured.
Anyway, I'm rambling. My point is that the boys have done well to get this far this year, with all of the problems they've had.
by lawman3842 on Sep 10, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
- Wainwright
- Looper
5.
I think of Looper as a 4th or 5th starter. If he is a 5th starter next year our team looks good. Other wise the Cardinals need a lot of starting pitching help.
I have about a 15% faith in Mulder at this point.
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Job AP
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Got to
by Cardinal70 on Sep 10, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idiot
by Cardinal70 on Sep 10, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why pinch hit for Cav?
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much has TLR done?
by bdub78 on Sep 10, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's done a lot...
I know he is easy to dislike and question...but he's brought pretty damn good baseball to St.Louis in the time he's been running things..
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case...
by bdub78 on Sep 10, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
admittedly...
But man, he pisses me off with about 2 goofy decisions per series.
Anyways, hopefully he can prove me wrong and get the Birds into the post-season.
by bdub78 on Sep 10, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In some talking head circles ...
There's something to that, but it's all turning to ashes on a gray afternoon at Wrigley.
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 10, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This season?
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that the pitching
On offense TLRs insistenct on having Vets mean we have a team filled with older and injury prone players. Miles, Kennedy, and Cairo are replacement level at best. Yet they got lots of playing time.
Would we still be in 3rd if we had reconized that Kennedy didn't still have it and started playing Ryan a lot earlier? Every game that Miles or Cairo starts is a game TLR has put us at a disadvantage.
by DriverZn on Sep 10, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kennedy not historically replacement level
cairo has not had "a lot" of playing time.
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Probably, yes. Miles has not put the team at a disadvantage. His hitting numbers are actually better than plenty of other middle infielders. Cairo -- he's there out of dire necessity. Kennedy had a track record of success; Ryan's success was fairly unexpected. It was not up to TLR to "DFA" Kennedy just so he could play Miles. The guy has a 3-year deal and was an unexpected major bust -- NOT TLR's fault.
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Probably, yes. Miles has not put the team at a disadvantage. His hitting numbers are actually better than plenty of other middle infielders. Cairo -- he's there out of dire necessity. Kennedy had a track record of success; Ryan's success was fairly unexpected. It was not up to TLR to "DFA" Kennedy just so he could play Ryan. The guy has a 3-year deal and was an unexpected major bust -- NOT TLR's fault.
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
below .500
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice way to make up those runs guys
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good lord...
by bdub78 on Sep 10, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
walks.....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is DeRosa crying about?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No one warming up
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only bright side...
by bdub78 on Sep 10, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we activate Spezio to close out this game?
by Valatan on Sep 10, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why bother?
by chuckb on Sep 10, 2007 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sick feeling
by riescher on Sep 10, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't thought of it...
by bdub78 on Sep 10, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Drubbing.....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta get 4 runs this inning
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So's about to get the rally going
by effin fisk on Sep 10, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Booya!
In all fairness, Eck started the rally. But So drove it home.
by effin fisk on Sep 10, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classy Cub fans
Wow, class just oozes from the bleachers.
Way to make him pay So!
by yer dog first on Sep 10, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you Ted Lilly
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the so man!
http://www.rankmytattoos.com/Illinois/Canton/15002.html
by Supergus on Sep 10, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh my
2 run homer!!
by brindled on Sep 10, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
poor albert's
by SleepyCA on Sep 10, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 strikeouts for Rick.......
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only time I've seen him play in person
by effin fisk on Sep 10, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rain is coming
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan out
by StLHugo on Sep 10, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we stalling?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It ain't gonna rain
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the "Injury delay"
by effin fisk on Sep 10, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Riot fouled one off his back foot
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimenez and Cavazos
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou Pinella Manager of the Year?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when did jiminez become a viable bullpen
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he just needed some seasoning
by Valatan on Sep 10, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need atleast 1 run this inning
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles with 2 outs
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't the end of the world
Perhaps the Cardinals can pull some magic out of their arses but if they are going to do it, the 8th would be the time with Pujols potentially up with RBI opportunities.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Need to.....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing spells 'rally' like
Eckstein
Branyan
Pujols
Ankiel
Molina
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardcore is hittin on all 8.....
....and damn I hate Chit-caw-go. Can you imagine any one of the Cubs players ever coming out and saying they dont condone or agree with the Chi-fans behavior?
by cardschinmusic on Sep 11, 2007 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, if you're intentionally walking Jacque Jones
by sdrone on Sep 10, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
his line against us this year:
.368/.454/.590
By not allowing Hendry to trade Jones to FLA, Selig probably won the NL central for the Cubs...
by SleepyCA on Sep 10, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly done
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
by champion on Sep 10, 2007 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOW MUCH do we pay these guys????
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since most of them started in Memphis
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are just imploding.....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony has thrown his hands up in the air
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh hell yeah.....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maroth throwing in the pen now???
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yulp
Or something like that.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, with all of these maple bats
MLB players and umpires are soon going to be wearing NHL Goalie equipment!!!!
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They should just ban them
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lamentation
Ha, when I first read this, I read it as "lamentation", which is highly appropriate for today and perhaps the season.
by dralexp on Sep 10, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that disaster is over.
by Valatan on Sep 10, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, here comes the 5 run inning!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually a 6 pitch inning
by Johnny64 on Sep 10, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what you call
by BigMOman on Sep 10, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice at bat, miguel
by SleepyCA on Sep 10, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, what's our "Post-HGH" record -
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 10, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
post-Encarnacion ???
by Johnny64 on Sep 10, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6 pitches, 5 swings, 3 outs
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really shouldn't be a rush
by KYCards on Sep 10, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maroth as a reliever. . . hmmmmm. . . .
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Mulder facing the Reds ...
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 10, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we will all be in rehab
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I played Pony League
Our 'break' chant when leaving a team talk was 'Rehab works!'
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
get out of here!!
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....Im dyin I tell you.....
by cardschinmusic on Sep 11, 2007 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder will be poor again,
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 10, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, stats folks. . .
if the Brew Crew loses tonight, how much worse off are we than before this game???
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with that in mind,
by jeff abs on Sep 10, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? The games are still there
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't our infield and outfield players
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on!
by BigMOman on Sep 10, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lucky dog...
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
view from up in the booth
Rooney: He's been terrible.
by KYCards on Sep 10, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and now for your viewing enjoyment
by jillsinmo on Sep 10, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least it didn't end up in the dugout
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice job Eck
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's it.
by BigMOman on Sep 10, 2007 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy .......
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Lackluster performance by Yadi"
Concussion, pitcher sucks, rest of the defense sucks, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maroth is so terrible
I could get more hitters out than him with my knuckle-fastball and knuckle-splitter.
Not that I expected anything out of him today. Just wondered how he got so bad in a hurry.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has the PTBNL
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Lambert
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 10, 2007 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have wondered the same thing
by calico30 on Sep 10, 2007 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry -
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 10, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it actually goes down
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad to know
by truemun12 on Sep 10, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gee, I'm REALLY GLAD
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This better be Maroth's
Time for him to pack his bags and become a computer programmer or something.
by KYCards on Sep 10, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
computer programmer?
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 10, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow's Headline
Wrigley faithful jump off Sears Tower after Cardinals score 10 in 9th
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I always thought that I was a dreamer. . .
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong. . .
well, not about the suicides, of course. . . I think.
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 run rally starts now.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 10, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again
The second most important thing is that Cairo was able to get into the game.
by Harknights on Sep 10, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sigh
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't figure out tony's hook
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ECK
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's part of Albert's injury problems...
by DiscoJer on Sep 10, 2007 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pulling Pujols angers me
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not let Pujols get this RBI
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Give me a freaking BREAK!!!
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE REFER TO MY PREVIOUS RANT!!!
by faninexile on Sep 10, 2007 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A bright side
Does this mean that Reyes / Thompson get the next "bullpen" start?
by DriverZn on Sep 10, 2007 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't count on that......I'm sure
by jillsinmo on Sep 10, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and I tend to agree
Dave and Tony "know" Reyes cannot pitch the way he had so much success in the minors. The same stuff that made him a top prospect. So they do everyting they can to make sure he fails. Thompson has gotten the same treatment.
On the other hand Maroth and Mulder get run out there no matter how bad the signs. i.e. last year when it was obviouls Mulder was broken to everyone but duncan. He just "needed a different arm slot", oh yea, and major shoulder surgeory. Now Maroth is just "tipping his pitcher". He has the worst stuff on the team. He was margional before his arm problems, now he is no longer a servicable pitcher.
Why can everyone see this stuff except dave and tony?
by DriverZn on Sep 10, 2007 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Driver Zn.........
by jillsinmo on Sep 10, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have been some pretty good pitchers that
I would argue that no manager has ever consistantly had as much talent to work with as TLR has. This is the reason he will go to the HOF, not his skills.
by DriverZn on Sep 10, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your example is from the 80s?
by Valatan on Sep 10, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa, Marquis
by DriverZn on Sep 11, 2007 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s.
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just easier to type LaDuncetty instead of
by jillsinmo on Sep 10, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hyperbole! Either/or!
Everyone must hold to either one set of beliefs or the other!
Or else, we just put words in the other persons' mouth that they are holding that position.
by Valatan on Sep 10, 2007 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over dramatic?
What is often said is he has more potential than Maroth, Thompson, and Wells. Therefore while all are sucking at the moment, let the one most likely to turn it around keep working at it.
by DriverZn on Sep 11, 2007 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the game plan:
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes......
by cardschinmusic on Sep 11, 2007 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on Jim.....
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not Jim...
by Timbo02 on Sep 10, 2007 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/me casts greater revitalization on Cardinals
by brindled on Sep 10, 2007 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what does this mean? just curious
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 10, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RPG, Cardinals, and wizardy.
by brindled on Sep 10, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing
...is that I knew exacty what you were saying.
That and I was thinking...to bad we couldn't be ninjas or a higher level spell like Tilt-a-whirl.
by Harknights on Sep 10, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way the team is playing
I know the Reds are salvating at the prospects at taking some hacks at our bullpen er starters.. no make that bullpen...hell they're one in the same.
by KYCards on Sep 10, 2007 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching box score
Cavazos
Falkenborg
Jimenez
Maroth
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 10, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cavazos, Falkenborg, Jimenez, Maroth
Why would any of those guys get called up?
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Falk was the closer
Jimenez 2-3 2.72 30G 1Sv 39.2IP 2HR 1HB 11BB 34SO 1.44WHIP
Cavazos 1-5 3.21 44G 47.2IP 5HR 26BB 48SO 1.38WHIP
Maroth (rehab) 1-0 8.31 2G 1GS 4.1IP 1HR 3BB 4SO 1.85WHIP
So, Falk was decent as the closer but nothing special except his awesome 3.4SO/BB ratio, Jimenez's ERA is probably an illusion or he is rather good at pitching out of jams since his WHIP is high but he also only had 2 WP all season long so so when you combine that with his BBs and only 1 HBP he seems to have good control. But he has pitched about the same innings in the majors now and has 14BB and only 20SO, my guess is that he was about to get the batters to swing at bad pitches in the minors, or blow past them, but he can't do that to major leaguers. Cavazos is again nothing special, not as good SO/BB ratio yet it is still above 1.
by StLHugo on Sep 11, 2007 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because...
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 10, 2007 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
christ
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When do the Texas leauge Finals start &
by Red Blazer on Sep 10, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well at least
by truemun12 on Sep 10, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glass Half Full
by ICbirdfan on Sep 10, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs
Although I guess you could say we don't really dominate the Pirates or the Reds anymore.
by Mr Redbird on Sep 10, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to know how when we were
The Cards play like they are afraid when they go to Wrigley. I don't understand.....they are the Cubs, we are the Cardinals. It is not supposed to be like this.......
by jillsinmo on Sep 10, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cubs lucked out...
by willievinceterry on Sep 10, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a flyball pitcher
by DriverZn on Sep 10, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly
by champion on Sep 11, 2007 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs





















