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Game 129 Open Thread: 29 August, 2007

Woody_guthrie_tiny by Valatan on in St. Louis Cardinals News

Baron Von Kippington

Oswalt

6-14, 5.41

13-6, 3.33

Every time that I think that I have Kip Wells figured out, I apparently don't. The guy just seems to have a preternatural aversion to consistency. Regardless, a win tonight would give the Cardinals their first winning record since Sunday, April fifteenth, when Looper beat Ben Sheets to give the Cardinals a 6-5 record. Regardless, since Wells has been back from the bullpen in his July 13th start, he has had eight starts. In three of those starts, he has gone six or more innings, allowing fewer than two runs. In three of them, he has gone five or fewer innings, allowing five or more runs.

So, I have a feeling that either Wells is going to completely outmatch Oswalt, or we're going to be out of this one by the time the third inning rolls around. Still, even with the disaster starts factored in, Wells' second half ERA is a relatively respectable 4.33. Regardless, if shutdown Kippersley is going to show up, it's certainly going to be against this Astros lineup.

Lineups, per gameday:

STL HOU
Eck, SS Pence, CF
Natural, RF Biggio, 2B
Pujols, 1B Berkman, 1B
Jimmy E, CF Big Lee, LF
Dunc, LF Loretta, SS
Molina, C Scott, RF
Ryan, 3B Wigginton, 3B
Kippersley, P Ausmus, C
Miles, 2B Oswalt, P

Oh, if some of you are wanting something nice for Moasic viewing pleasure, the Cubs are throwing Zambronehead against Ben Sheets.

Update [2007-8-29 19:39:40 by Valatan]:: Bernie is reporting that Rolen may be done for the season.

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Defense may be hard to replace
But a .265 .331 .398 .729 isn't exactly a key cog to the offense.
Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Aug 29, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense IS hard to replace
and it thrusts Aaron Miles or Miguel Cairo into the starting lineup EVERYNIGHT!
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

vain attempt at avoiding such an outcome
2b - hoffpauir
3b - ryan
ss - eck

that'd be my vote, but no way that happens. either cairo will get those starts at third, or miles will get them at second, or both. no way the hoff ends up getting pt over those guys.

by the way, i hereby declare that hoffpauir's nickname is "the hoff," complete with tagline, "don't hassel the hoff."

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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that should be 'ze hoff' and the
sentence should be capped by no fewer than three exclamation points.

by Valatan on Aug 29, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about...
Were running on Hoff-power.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Aug 29, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

another solid variation on the theme
i say there's fertile ground here. anyone who disagrees can piss hoff.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Walt is on the phone
looking for another bat for this stretch run if Rolen is out.  Any names out there that could be a "Rental" for the rest of the season/possible playoffs?

We already have a log jam in the outfield so if we could get someone it would have to be a 3rd baseman.

Only guys I can think of that we might be able to get in a waver deal that might be worth a shot are Pedro Feliz & Troy Glaus.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pat Burrell?
Pat Burrell cleared waivers earlier this month, I believe.  I'm not sure the length of his remaining contract or the amount.  But his ops+ the last 3 years has been 125 or higher.  Although he strikes out a lot (=low gdp), he is an on base machine and has power.  He seems like the ideal #2 batter in front of Albert.

How much would the defense suffer to have Pat Burrell in the outfield, Chris Duncan at 1B, and Albert at 3B?  

Or, for less money, we could have an outfield of Ludwick, Edmonds, and Ankiel, with Duncan at first and Albert at 3rd.  Any way they'd move Albert to 3rd to cope with an emergency?  

by ncgostl on Aug 29, 2007 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably not a smart move
given albert's banged-up-ness.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Albert at 3rd
since Al is one bad leg turn from probably missing the rest of the season as well with his bad leg. I don't think Tony is going to move Albert anywhere.

As for Burrell, if Philly was out of the playoff hunt they would probably trade him, but since they are still in it, I doubt they will deal him unless they get something back in return that can help them now or a top of the line prospect (which we can't provide).

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not going to happen
Albert also has the bad throwing elbow.  They don't want to risk it going pop.

by DriverZn on Aug 29, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feliz
would probably be a lot cheaper, so I wouldn't mind that.

Can we get a link to this article?

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 29, 2007 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feliz
Plus Walt should tell the Giants GM that "he owes him one" over the whole Matt Morris deal that he thought he had but got blindsided by the Pirates deal instead.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troy GlauZ
Anyone happen to listen to the Dan Patrick Show a few summers ago when Rob Dibble thought Troy Glaus was spelled with a 'z'? They were doing some trivia question (name players with 250-350 HRs). The quizmaster gave a hint that the last player(s) ended his name with a 'Z'. Dibs answered "Troy Glaus". Sorry for the random tangent.
Cheering on the Cardinals, one pitch at a time.

by ColinMacLeod on Aug 29, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love random tangents
and I don't think we should glaus over them.

by CurtFlood on Aug 29, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Rolen will be back next year no Glaus...
If he is out for life get Glaus but we have 3B prospects we should give a shot. I know Arni Cruz has slacked lately but why not bring him up? The kid might suprise everybody.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Aug 29, 2007 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is...
Arni's first year of professional baseball and he's yet to play as high as AA.  Take a chill pill, Phil.

by mynameistyler on Aug 29, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ScottyRo, say it ain't so!
stltoday.com
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by ColinMacLeod on Aug 29, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

So now the non-surgically repaired shoulder
is screwed up?  If that is the case, then yeah, even with a manipulation of the scar tissue in the other shoulder...he's done.

Two surgically repaired shoulders, he may never be an 'above average' hitter again.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess this is why they signed miguel cairo
sigh.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

so who gets called up?
other than cairo, i'd hope hoffpauir gets a callup, if he wasn't going to already. beyond that, looks pretty thin.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't argue
with 5 of the 6 people ahead of Ryan, but Eck is starting to really get on my nerves.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Aug 29, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

How bad is it?
How about these quotes from Hall of Famer (I just love saying that) Rick Hummel's column:

"I couldn't wait to get out of the game," said Rolen. "I needed to come out of the game. It wasn't that I just wanted to come out of the game."

Answer:  it's pretty damned bad!

by chuckb on Aug 29, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

ANyone going to tomorrow's game?
I'll be up in section 227
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going
Hopefully I'll be down close to the field.  No tix yet though, going to go to the box office tomorrow morning.  I'll be there early for BP, visitors side with a red Cards jersey and a blue STL ballcap.  
Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Aug 30, 2007 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The stands look emptier than last night
& it's very quite here at VEB tongiht as well
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

what was your first hint
that kip started against him or that hes roy oswalt?
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 29, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

he just looks....
...especially hittable tonight.

I wasn't confident going in, but after watching these first two innings, we've got no chance.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

does it bother anyone else
that the announcers call oswalt "the wizard"?
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

The Wizard
hopefully tonight we can stick his magic wand up his...well you know :)

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me
I absolutely hate it.  It's not like Hall of Famer Ozzie Smith was only called "The Wizard" by Cardinal fans.  He was known across baseball as "The Wizard" b/c of what he could do w/ the glove.  Oswalt's called "The Wizard" ONLY by the Houston announcers b/c they couldn't think of anything better. It's unforgiveable!

by chuckb on Aug 29, 2007 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was astonished though
that my inlaws Houstan fans didnt know of the true wizard..
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 29, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas folks, in my experience
have a penchant for living in their own big bubble.  There is Texas, and then the rest of the United States

by CurtFlood on Aug 29, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That surprised you?
Cmon now...come clean.  lol
Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Aug 30, 2007 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I did a double take at that also
To me the wizard is our HOF SS and no one else
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Wonder why Ankiel did not get an error
on the misplayed fly ball. He would not have caught it, but he overran it and slipped and that allowed the run to score.
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

have to wonder about Joe Mather
I know he hasn't played 3B this year, but he was drafted as a SS and got significant playing time at 3B from 2001-2004, and he appears to have finally figured out AAA pitching...  
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

& that's the ballgame....
Scott's HR
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

So any word on Spezio?
Kind of surprising that there hasn't been any news on him whatsoever. No updates...Nothing. He's just disappeared into the void.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, normally when someone goes to rehab
they divorce k-fed or SOMETHING.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might as well let Wells pitch all 8 innings
tonight, and spare the bullpen any work.
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

And
gives Shannon and Rooney something to talk about.  They're really ragging on Kipper tonight.

by cardsgirlinAR on Aug 29, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kip
you make it difficult to not drink when you pitch.  Please stop sucking.
Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Aug 29, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

it isnt all bad
I was in a drinking mood anyway, this gives me a good excuse for it

by mattyfrommo on Aug 29, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it appears that the old Kippy
has returned. We DID NOT miss you, ole' buddy.

So frustrating to watch this fucker with so much talent just look like a deer in the headlights...

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

kipper's making the
feeble astros lineup look like the yankees.

by acham8206 on Aug 29, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

welcom back
bad kip
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 29, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Wish we could see and read Duncan's lips
Any guesses to what he said...remember its a family site ;-)
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody with TiVO
to watch it in slo-mo?  Shannon called it "reading 'im the riot act."  I'd love to know...

by cardsgirlinAR on Aug 29, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't see his mouth
with the camera angle. pity--he looked very animated from his gestures and head movement. it might have been the most entertainment we're going to get tonight!

by acham8206 on Aug 29, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wells is making a case for being the odd man out
When Mulder comes back.  Even when Mulder or Reyes are off the mark, they at least seem to keep trying.  Wells just seems to give up if things are not working.

by DriverZn on Aug 29, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate him so much...
...even when he was good, I couldn't enjoy it. B/c the hate I have for the man was so strong. He's just so annoying to watch on the mound - with that look in his eyes. THAT LOOK. It haunts me.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a p**sy Wells is.
This guy is such a mental midget we should trade him to Cubs to raise the IQ of each team.

It is obvious that Shannon and Rooney are disgusted with this pitiful loser.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 29, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
the 'what should we do when Mulder comes back?' debate can be considered to be officially settled.

by Valatan on Aug 29, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

there hasn't been a double this inning...
or a HPB- c'mon kip, go for the cycle!

Oh well, biggio went and ruined it.

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols is going to have to carry this team
tonight, if they are going to have any chance of coming back.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah but . . .
he may only have two more at bats and we are down 3 already.  Not looking good.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 29, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad Call
Ryan was safe.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm really hoping
a bad Wells start and the news of Rolen doesn't get us going in a quick tailspin.

It would be nice if Walt/ownership could get us Glaus or Feliz in a trade if only to show the team that ownership is wanting to win this thing and are going to get them a piece to help fill a hole and also give them a added boost of confidence.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Why can't our pitcher do that on 0-2?
Why does our team always need to waste one or two pitches just because they are ahead in the count?

by DriverZn on Aug 29, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

please
get him off that mound. :(  what a disaster he is, gah.

by dorfmunder on Aug 29, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I fully expect
the Cubs to sweep the Brewers. The Brewers are probably one of the wost teams in baseball eight now (mentally at least). And the Cubs are going to take every advantage of it.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

three "sheets" to the wind?
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 29, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well done.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it going to be a linear or exponential trend
With Kip "pitching" ( I use the term loosely)after this inning
1-2-3-4-5-6-
1-2-4-8-16-32....
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Just say no to Miguel
I had to see the carnage that is Cairo's hitting stats. Career .267/.315/.359 and .252/.308/.318 this year with the Yankees. To (mis)quote the great Dennis Green "he is what we think he is!"

I go with Hoffpauir or E. Gonzalez (who has played 3rd recently at Memphis this year and is slugging .450)

by bdief on Aug 29, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

well
THAT one certainly looked good off the bat.

anyone switched over to cubs/brews?

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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I switched after the walk to Scott
It's a good game in Chicago, anyway. Brewers just tied it 1-1, heading to the bottom of the 4th.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 29, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Aaron miles close the game out?
I don't want to waste a real bullpen guy on this disaster

by Valatan on Aug 29, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares?
Might as well save the bullpen and accept the inevitable...

by rudie on Aug 29, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

no joke
my 4-year-old is in a perpetual state of being warmed up, let's send him out there to upstage kipper.

by dorfmunder on Aug 29, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave up watching and went downstairs
to work out. I'm listening on Gameday now instead of watching. It sounds as ugly as it looked. Leave him in Tony...
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't care what they do
but i don't want wells to pitch again...

by tnek5 on Aug 29, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

7 Hits, 2 Plus Innings
God he sucks....Now Tony has to chew him out.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

At least...
his hits/outs ratio is even now...

by rudie on Aug 29, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wells can pick up
Maroth and both can drive as far away as possible to anything that has to do with the Cardinals.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh
Any chance Kip can play third base?  Anything to get him off the mound.

Could Joe Mather play third?  Didn't he used to be an infielder?  He'd be better than Cairo.  I like Ryan, but an everyday lineup with Eckstein, Miles, and Ryan isn't going to cut it.

by stl tyler on Aug 29, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe we can give Maroth adn Wells to the Cubs
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

can i get a quota on number of games
we have to go through before every opposing team's booth has to refer to the fact that ankiel is a former pitcher? i just want a number. i'm not even asking to see the light at the end of the tunnel. but i think the tunnel will be less excruciating if i know the light is coming.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 29, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

or...
to be mathematically exact:
take the number of games that Ank plays in, and divide by 1

by CurtFlood on Aug 29, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not as annoying as the
"no wonder he's batting 8th!" every time a pitcher does something remotely competent with the bat...
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, that throw by Yadi
has definitely put some fear into me.

Are these guys on ludes or what tonight???

by faninexile on Aug 29, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

How soon till Mulder is available?
Does he have any more rehab starts planned?
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

& then he gets called up?
Too bad it will be two days to late to take  Kips slot
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And too bad...
...his fastball is 86-90. Where it was when he sucked last year.

I'm not too optimistic about Mulder.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.
I'm about ready for a WonderBrad revival right now.  How much worse could it possibly be, with the consoling thought "at least he's young and inexperienced instead of old and washed up."
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Aug 29, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes..
I'm afraid Mulder may just look like a taller Maroth.

by CurtFlood on Aug 29, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny....
Every series vs the Astros this year, we've won the first and third game , and lost the 2nd. Lets hope the trend can continue with a win tomorrow.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 29, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

COUNTDOWN TO UNDER .500 AGAIN
Let's savor the moment boys. For the next 2 to 3 hours (maybe 4 the way Kippy is pitching) we will not be "a losing club".  

We fought hard to get to .500 - lets celebrate while we still can!!! .500 Yea!!!!! Woooohoooo!!!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

woot!
I was thinking that exact same thing today, how Kip would probably send us back under and to enjoy it while we could.  sigh

by dorfmunder on Aug 29, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

it reminds me
of a line a Brewers' fan had on their blog a week or so ago.  With Milw. getting creamed in their game, he quipped something like, "for the next two hours, I can still claim to be rooting for a first place team."

by CurtFlood on Aug 29, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon & Rooney
are basically calling Wells a "psycho" with him taking so long between pitches and "looking up in the sky" all the time.

I think it's their way of saying he SUCKS without actually saying it.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I recommend
Shannon and Rooney on the radio or Gameday Audio tonight.
  1. You don't have to actually look at Kip; and
  2. Shannon and Rooney are as disgusted as the rest of us and it's pretty funny....

by cardsgirlinAR on Aug 29, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

1-1
at wrigley. go brewers!

by acham8206 on Aug 29, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Same place Edmonds hit it last night
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

If I count out the Houston rotation correctly
we get to see Oswalt on Sat or Sunday in St L in Sept. Hope he's not as effective there...
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

It sure would be nice if just once
we made Roy Oswalt look like he has to actually try out there.

I doubt he ever breaks a sweat against the Cardinals.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Roy
always shuts us down.  The worst one being in 2005 to turn the light out for the final time at Busch II.

Everytime we face him, I expect to loose, as I did tonight.  For some reason they can't figure out how to hit him and probably never will.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are not alone
Talk all you want about Peavy, Sheets and Zambrano, but Oswalt is the best pitcher in the NL.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 29, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember
Garner (in his infinite wisdom) using Oswalt in relief in the 10th or 11th against us last year and Pujols took him deep and won the game before the fire got hot.

Other than that, though, he beats us like a red-headed stepchild!

by chuckb on Aug 29, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe making Oswalt run the bases
will tire him out....
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Brewers 2-1
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

2-1 milwaukee
with 2 outs, top of the 5th.

by acham8206 on Aug 29, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Brew Crew up 2-1!
Would be 3-1 except Counsell was thrown out on a not-very-close play trying to stretch a single into a double.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 29, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody gets a hit off Oswalt tonight
I've got a case of Molson and he can have one.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Aug 29, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

getting a hit
maybe that is what wells needs

by mattyfrommo on Aug 29, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kip

Pitching is certainly far more than "good stuff" but Baron Von Kipper is a real mystery to me.

Everyone has always bragged on his "stuff", he has shown flashes of brilliance, he's had the benefit of time, maturity and good coaches and he looks alot like a pitcher........yet

I'd love to hear from someone who knows him well.  Is he a timid guy?  Not mentally tough?  Gets down on himself?  Scared?  Just not too smart?

Gotta be in his head

by Hinkster on Aug 29, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Oswalt avg #pitches/inning
jumped from 11.5 to 14.5, At this rate he'll be gone after 7....in my dreams....and then they can bring in Lidge to face pujols with the bases loaded...
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

great catch jimmy
if only they would pull kip now, maybe the cards still have a chance. I sure the hell don't want to see Jimmy get hurt saving kip's sorry ass

by mattyfrommo on Aug 29, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Kip Wells is completely lacking in presence. . .
sometimes I have to convince myself that there IS actually someone on the mound.

by faninexile on Aug 29, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

His whole body posture seems to say. . .
"Here, take this one to the upper decks.  My gift."

by faninexile on Aug 29, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you are ned yost
do you pinch hit for sheets?  Sheets is at 86 pitches, up 2-1 in the top of the 7th...

I say no.  He's the ace, and you HAVE to win this game.

Mitigating factor:  it's the 7-8-9 guys next inning.

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

To me the question is
does Yost ignore his mistakes or (over)react to them?  He got burned pulling Suppan last night.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Aug 29, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone see
Rickie Weeks the train wreck around third, there? Man - nothing is going well for this team right now.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

except Ryan Braun
Nice 4-1 Brew Crew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, with their bullpen - nothing is a lock!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was beautiful
they really need to do something about the bush league stadium in chicago...
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Kip is getting
the 2006 Marquis treatment tonight...although, unlike those Marquis games in 2006, he has more innings pitched than runs allowed...
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 29, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

he's doing fine
now that the loss is virtually guaranteed.  Take the pressure off, and he's an ace.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say no
It seems like Milwaukee blows every late-inning lead lately.  It also seems like Chicago overcomes every late-inning deficit as well.  Let's hope I'm wrong.
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 29, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

6-1 now; hopefully that's big enough that
even Milwaukee's bullpen can hold it. Would be nice to take advantage and gain a game tonight, but at least we (hopefully) won't lose anything on first place. It's looking like back to sub .500 and third place for us....

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 29, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

what if you try your patented
"LET'S DO THIS"... can that work for milwaukee or is it a st. louis only thing?

by acham8206 on Aug 29, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to do it for us
before he needs to do it for the Brewskis.  4-0 is not insurmountable.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Aug 29, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs come back
and win this game, then they will seem to have that "destiny" thing going and I don't see how they can lose the Central. Let's hope the Brewers pen can finish it up.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big Z got Zonked
Braun bases loaded double 4-1 Brewers!!

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The Braun-tosaurus
As they call him in Milwaukee.  I don't know why, because brontosauruses were herbivores, which isn't very manly or intimidating.
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 29, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The name does mean
Thunder Lizard, which is slightly more intimidating...they should cut out the middleman and call him that.

by Nate811 on Aug 29, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would nickname him
"Braun-do! -- the (something) mutilator"

the snappy announcers could have a lot of fun with (something)...

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm
Marlon Braun-do?

Braun-wy - The Quicker, Thicker, Picker Upper?

Charles Braun-son?

Braun-chitis?  

by stl tyler on Aug 29, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get such a kick out of listening to Santo
He's really grown on me, and I like him even when the Cubs are doing well. But I can't help but chuckle to myself every time he says "Awww, man!!" or "Oh, geez!!" when something bad happens, like it just did (4-1 Brewers!).

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 29, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

6-1 Brew-Crew
What's worse being 3 games back of 1st and in sole possession of 2nd - or 2 games back, but in 3rd?????

The latter looks likely right now.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Wells only at 108 pitches
let him go one more inning!
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by Podlol on Aug 29, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The Kipper has hung up three 0s.
This is frighteningly close to a quality start, after those first few innings.

I wish Oswalt would get knocked on the finger and have to come out so we could face their pen, 'cause otherwise, Kip's holding it together with Jimmy's catch, chewing gum, and baling wire isn't going to make any difference.

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Aug 29, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

ankiel doesn't fakll down
and it's 3-0...

oswalt is at 100 pitches; all it'll take is an 8 pitch walk and he's gone, probably.  5 pitch K's swinging at 3 balls isn't going to do it, yadi...

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big Z
has actually been the Cubs worst starter for several weeks now, he's at least neck and neck with Betty for that dubious position.

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Somebody PLEASE get on base
so we can get freakin' Oswalt out of there!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 29, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I fear Oswalt
The guy is filthy. I wish he was a Cardinal and I have for a long time.

Not a constructive comment, but it's how I felt the minute I saw the game thread.

"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Aug 29, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me this isn't as bad as it sounds
"Carlos Lee singles on a pop up to second baseman Aaron Miles"
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 29, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It was worse actually,
Ball was hit softly into shallow right field, Ankiel who was playing deep got there and so did Miles but neither caught it and it fell between them.  Miles didn't have a good read but Ankiel never called him off either so I think both ended up getting in each others way.  Lots of blown communication last night, Miles was in the forefront of it all and yet I don't think any of it was his fault, examples would be Eck running into Miles when Miles called the ball, Miles late covering first expecting Johnson to do it, that blown pop up and I think there was at least one more.

by StLHugo on Aug 30, 2007 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least they just randomly will pick a game
to all decide to play little league simultaneously.  It'd be obnoxious if they did this shit in a game situation where it matters.

by Valatan on Aug 29, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

we had about a 10%
chance of beating Oswalt anyway.  Good they get it out of their system!

by chuckb on Aug 29, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meawhile
Tyler Johnson looked awesome there. He got 5 outs!!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 29, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

5 outs seems a little generous
Although I don't see how Albert didn't get an E on his play ... anybody watching see it? ... opinion?

by thomaslj on Aug 29, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup
agreed

by dorfmunder on Aug 29, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWO OUT RALLY, YEAH!!!
What can I say, I'm DESPERATE!!!

by faninexile on Aug 29, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

At least Tony finally figured out
that Flores should be the mop-up man.  God knows it took him long enough.

by chuckb on Aug 29, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

To be the mop-up man
you actually have to get someone out!

by thomaslj on Aug 29, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The strike zone got ridiculous
Oswalt was getting everything, then the bullpen was getting everything.

The Cardinals pitched terribly, the hitters didn't hit but the ump wasn't helping.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least the Cubs lost
and we are still 2 games out.

But I really think Walt needs to try and get another bat (Glaus or Feliz or someone else) to fill in the Rolen spot. If we are going to make a run for this just having guys like Miles & Cairo fill in at 3rd isn't going to cut it.

 

by KYCards on Aug 29, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Not Glaus
His contract is way out of range for the Cardinals ($12.75 mil for '08, player option $11.25 mil for '09), plus he has been slowed by plantar fasciitis all year.
OBP .349
SLG .448
AVG .251

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=136267

I think Ryan is going to see a lot of time at third.

by dralexp on Aug 30, 2007 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's probably there til callups
And I reckon it's Cairo after that.

Don't expect the Cards to pick up anybody.

by stl tyler on Aug 30, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would make me
really, really happy for us not to overreact and splurge on another old guy.  Healthy Rolen is a beast.  He hasn't been healthy this year, and we're still in it (yay NL Central).  Play some more kids.

PS When is Oswalt's contract up again?  Does DeWitt have a piggybank somewhere with "Roy Oswalt" written on it?  He lives in Mississippi, St. Louis isn't that much further than Houston...!

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

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