4.5 games back. Hitting and pitching resurrected
Kip Wells continues to rise from the dead, and puts together another decent outing. Considering that it looked like he completely unraveled in the first inning, it's all the more amazing that he was able to get his act together and put a decent game in the books, but that seems to be exactly what he did. In fact, it seems like the entire Cardinals pitching staff has been abducted by aliens, who have decided to grace us by replacing them with robots designed to pitch baseballs. Since Joel Piñeiro has made his first start with the Cardinals, the team's starters have gone from allowing a .795 OPS with a 1.61 K/BB ratio against opposing hitters to allowing a .671 OPS with a 4.2 K/BB ratio, per the baseball musings day to day database. Most ridiculously, Kip Wells has gone from his MLB worst first half ERA of 5.92 to having a 3.63 ERA in the second half, increasing his K/BB ratio from 1.5 to 1.9.
Some of this is clearly due to facing the relatively light hitting Dodgers and Padres in the last seven games, and some of it might just be some sort of midseason blurp that will soon get swallowed up by the overall regression to the mean, but I still think that there is some reality to it. In particular, aside from Looper, it doesn't look like the current guys in the rotation are winning games with smoke and mirrors--Wainwright is throwing that big curveball, Wells and Piñeiro are showing really great movement on their pitches, and Reyes is still changing speeds and hiding that changeup very effectively. And the team seems to have not given up when they get behind, all of a sudden.
Just look at last night--I still got my feeling of dread when Wells took the mound and immediately proceeded to cough up two home runs and three runs, but instead of pulling his first half routine of crumbling horribly and allowing endless gopherballs to end up in the Brewers' bullpen, he got out of the inning, and proceeded to put five zeroes on the board, giving the offense time to work.
I doubt that everyone in the rotation is going to continue to show this level of effectiveness, and I would assume that their August walk rate is not sustainable (10 BB in 248 AB), but I really do think that the pitching staff that we've seen in August is a bit closer to the rotation's actual ability than the one that we've been seeing for most of the year.
Finally, I just wanted to mention that, since Tony has started batting the pitcher in the eighth slot against Washington on the 4th, the team has gone from hitting at a .270/.335/.399 rate to hitting at a .303/.374/.429 clip. Obviously, that increase can't be attributed solely to having the pitcher bat one spot up, but several analyses by our patron have indicated that, in fact, it does make sense to shift the entire lineup up by one person, and have that pitcher bat in the eighth spot. This was in the context of the 2004 Cardinals, and their mega-lineup, but perhaps the logic makes sense in general. If Tony keeps it up, and the team offense stays this solid, I wonder if other teams will try and follow Tony's lead, because I would love to have more data to evaluate whether or not this actually is a workable lineup over the long run.
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Also have to 2nd your props for Wells, I thought this guy was done at the end of June but he's found a way to turn it around. He's got a better than 2:1 K:BB ratio for July and August so it's not just him getting lucky either.
by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The K:BB ratio
I like the last 2 starts much better - and last night he didn't face a AAAA lineup, either.
by silent_bob on Aug 15, 2007 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells
Personally, I think they need to sign him to an extension before the season is over.
by Cardinal70 on Aug 15, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an extension ???
But an "extension" ????
by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he strings together a few more starts like this
by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells....
But hey, we started our last road trip off with a win, and things went down hill fast after that, lets hope for better fortunes this time around.
by TriplePlay on Aug 15, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HR's
by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On TV
In other observations, Ankiel looked overmatched against the lefties last night and he misplayed that ball badly in right. But wow, what an arm!
by silent_bob on Aug 15, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a cannon
Good game all around last night, boys. Make it 3 1/2 tonight!
by Alxfritz on Aug 15, 2007 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game last night
That was my first game at Miller Park and it is a really nice park. Not as nice as being at Busch III, but it is 4 hours closer to my house so I can deal with it a couple times a year. The parking lot is very nice.
by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
parking lot
Seriously though, I've been to Miller Park. It is a nice park, and their parking lot is actually pretty convenient. Still, it's funny that a 3 sentence ballpark review includes a comment on how nice the parking lot is.
by john vb on Aug 15, 2007 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
Here in New York, both Shea and YS are total, utter nightmares to get in and out of. The city basically threatened people to try and get them to take mass transit (which in both cases drops you almost in the right field bleachers; could not be more convenient).
by glennrwordman on Aug 15, 2007 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wisconsiners (Wisconsinites?) (Wisconsinians?)
by Alxfritz on Aug 15, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First one was close
(This is coming from an Illinoisance.)
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd love
You might not love...trying to get to Dodger Stadium...but you'd love its parking lot.
by whopperman on Aug 15, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
until it's time to leave
But at least they have a parking lot in LA; in San Diego you pretty much have to drive around until you find a guy with a flag waving you into his driveway.
by SleepyCA on Aug 15, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petco's Parking may be bad
by birds 4 life on Aug 15, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at that game
- Jupiter, FL for the first three ST games
- Fenway Park for the extra-inning game where Rolen got hurt (on my 30th birthday)
- Miller Park a week later for the game Cairo got hurt
- Qualcomm for the Morris game
- Wrigley for the 1st game of the day-after-Labor-Day DH
- Busch for an August Saturday game vs the Phillies
by Solanus on Aug 15, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that game in SD..
by birds 4 life on Aug 15, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was there too
by capeboda on Aug 15, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At Petco...
In Chicago, train downtown, and then hop the El.
In Atlanta, MARTA will take you to the nearest hub, and then the Buses have their own lanes directly TO and FROM the main entrance, all part of one fare.
There are so many wonderful ways to get to these parks that don't involve trying to park downtown. Hell, even in the Lou, park over at the Casino Queen and Metro-link on over. Then on the way out, just walk one stop back from the way you're going, and get on the Link before everyone at the Stadium.
by tinstl on Aug 15, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a problem...
(Unless a freaking train stops and keeps you from going back over to the convention center hotels...)
by whopperman on Aug 16, 2007 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always found their parking frustrating
I actually found that I always had a better parking experience at RFK stadium for Nats games. You can take the Metro or just park there easily.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 15, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry,
It was also the first time I got to see the sausage race in person too. That made it all worth it. Go Italian!
by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it...
by WiscCard on Aug 15, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, those one-ways make it tough
I was at three of the games last week and my niece from CA was at a couple. She liked the stadium, but commented that food is quite a bit higher than at Anaheim. Guess you gotta pay for a new stadium somehow, huh?
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 15, 2007 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaving Las Louis
I live 3 hours from St. Louis and get there about twice a year. The one-ways are okay, and I always get free parking south of the RR tracks, so all that's dandy with me.
What amazes me is the tangle of skyway roads just east of the Mississippi. It's awesome! It's the nuttiest bunch of splitting and merging I've seen anywhere, and it's all up in the air (because of the former railroad lines and maybe swamps).
I don't talk with my mailman much, but a month ago I had mentioned St. Charles, meaning Illinois, and he was thinking St. Charles, MO. Anyway, that got him talking about his days at Fort Leonard Wood and driving back here every month or whatever. The thing that still struck him about St. Louis before anything was that skyway tangle over East St. Louis (does anybody call that "the East Lou"?).
I haven't gotten lost because of that skyway, but it's just freaky to have locals flying by you when you're trying to keep to the speed limit; watch all the route signs; plus check out the Arch and Busch when you're coming into town, and watch them recede in the distance when you're going home. Love it.
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The tangle
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
http://www.ocregister.com/news/stadium-food-vermin-1797567-violations-health
As for the maze of one-way streets...I don't know, I've never driven in downtown St. Louis other than on I-55. Hooray, Metrolink!
by whopperman on Aug 16, 2007 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is really stunning
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 15, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely agree
by acham8206 on Aug 15, 2007 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What section were you in?
by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
section 224
by acham8206 on Aug 15, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not tonight.
Do you live in the area? I met some Cardinal fans at a gas station after the game that were driving six+ hours back to StL at 11:30 last night.
by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're in the northern suburbs
we're doing a cardinals room, for our 10-year-old. life-size albert pujols on the wall, framed photos of busch II and III, birds on the bat everywhere you look...i may end up claiming it for myself!
by acham8206 on Aug 15, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan
by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone
by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't look now
by martin on Aug 15, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Double from yesterday...
by duncansarmy on Aug 15, 2007 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's game
by SprfldCards on Aug 15, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kip
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at PNC watching the Bucs/PondScum
Finally, the game started and I followed it on my phone. Kippers got the first two outs in the first, so I closed my phone and went back to watching the game. Next thing I know, I look over at the board and it was 3-0.
I, of course, was frustrated but hadn't given up hope. I think that my heart started to give out when Yadi GIDP with 2 on and no outs, and then Ludwick came up with 2 on and 2 outs. I thought if he didn't hit a double there, we were done for. Of course, he ripped one into the gap and the Brewers came unhinged in the 5th (just as the Pirates game was letting out).
It's nice to finally have some faith in this team's ability to win games.
Oh, and we need to get Ian Snell, I don't care who it costs us in the minor leagues. Give them Bryan Anderson straight up. Snell is finally coming into his own. Give him a team that doesn't suck and he could be an 18 game winner.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd give up Anderson in a heartbeat...
by TriplePlay on Aug 15, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
25 years old
Adding him to a rotation of Wainwright and Reyes, to go along with whatever you get from Mulder and Carpenter over the next 2 years could be downright dominant.
As you can tell, I'm pretty high on Ian Snell. Plus, even though he comes across as cocky sometimes (see: Pujols comments) he also f'ing hates losing and has come out and said as much. I like a players that actually care. I'm sure he was none too pleased that his defense comitted 2 mental lapses that cost him a lead and the offense stranded close to 12 baserunners.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wears no. 45
by 26thMan on Aug 15, 2007 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like his attitude
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ain't braggin...
by blove121 on Aug 15, 2007 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His game certainly didn't match his mouth
Since his ERA is 5.85 over his last ten games, I don't think he has that much to be bragging about. Since June 23, he has had two starts with 6 ER, two starts with 5 ER, and one start with 4 ER (he's only had 5 quality starts out of his last 10 and he's lost his last 6 games). If that were Wells' recent record, most posters would be calling for his head.
Besides, it's not just a matter of strutting because he's good--it's a problem with badmouthing teammates and other teams. There's a big difference. I prefer to have neither on the team. But the second I wouldn't take just so we can have a little better chance of winning.
In any case, most of our pitchers have been doing better than he has recently. They've been trending in the right direction while he's been trending in the wrong one.
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
He's a kid. He lists having a cup of tea and playing XBOX as his favorite things to do before going to bed. He needs to grow up, for sure, but he seems no worse off than Albert Pujols does about losing. The only difference is that Snell has no veteran leadership around him to tell him to keep his crying (see Pujols vs Glavine, Howard) in check.
Snell's going on about a month, solids worth of his BABip being near .400. He's had a defense that has consisted of a 3B and C playing the outfield positions and a pretty terrible team behind him.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright and Wells can have
And the Pirates' defense has not been the reason for Snell's high earned runs over the last month. He earned those all by himself.
You're right that if he's a kid, that needs to be considered. But he's 25 years old--should he still be having excuses made for him because he's a kid? Besides, we're talking about different things. You are talking about a temper after the game when he loses--something I understand and think can be helped with veteran guidance. I'm talking about badmouthing other teams before he plays them and being discourteous to teammates. That is a different character issue.
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, as far as his attitude
In the aftermath of the Pirates' 10-1 loss Saturday to the Los Angeles Angels, Snell said in a rising voice: "I [expletive] hate losing. I hate when the team doesn't bring out its full potential. And if they fine me, fine me. I don't care. Because this is getting stupid. We're better than what we're showing."
[...]
"I don't think everybody's playing the level of baseball that they expect of themselves," Snell said. "I mean, they'll get mad or throw their helmet or hang their head or this and that ... it's not going to help you win a ballgame. I think if they just keep their heads in the game, work the counts as a hitter, get the out if you're a pitcher ... just show some heart. Don't be scared. Don't be scared to win. Nothing's going to hurt you if you win."
[...]
"Seriously, you can tell anyone who says that to go shove it. This team is underachieving. I think this team has a lot of talent. We've got a lot of good players here. I just don't think everybody's bringing it out. And it's upsetting because you're expecting to win and you're not focused on winning."
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does he bring that piss and
If he protects his own, I'll take him on my team.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't like it if you steal signs
"Hopefully I won't pitch in Colorado because I know who it was (stealing signs) and I will kill that dude. If I pitch against them, I will get fined big time."
He apologized late for saying it.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again I'm talking about badmouthing
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did he say about Matt Morris?
"I can learn from that man," said Ian Snell of Matt Morris
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The commentators only said he
They made it sound like these were comments he was making in the clubhouse, not ones in official interviews.
But since these are reporters or commentators, we should take it with a grain of salt, especially since they didn't say exactly what he said-- just that it reflected badly on him and the team and that it was not a good welcome for Morris.
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the love of god sign kyle russell today!
by kyle man on Aug 15, 2007 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is that you Kyle?
by TriplePlay on Aug 15, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang it,
by glennrwordman on Aug 15, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schumaker
Also, seeing Ankiel make that error last night and knowing Duncan is still learning in the outfield, I think we need a solid defensive guy who we can depend on in any spot when we have to save a close game. Plus, Schumaker is as much Mr. Energy as Ryan, Ankiel, Eckstein, etc. Having more electricity around has seemed to have helped. Why not get some more?
There have been talks about trading Percival if not Enc. Since Welleymeyer is on the DL, we could bring back Schu without permanently depleting our bullpen. I'd rather trade Juan but TLR seems to have shot himself in the foot somewhat by saying "he's barely able to play."
Jimmy Ballgame, again last night, has been one of the most delightful surprises since his DL stint. To see his awesome defense come back and then to see him get multi-hit games is a real feel-good story about battling through injuries and age.
We all knew Wells has good stuff. What we needed to know is whether he can handle pressure and get out of tough situations consistently. Last night was one more encouraging test that he passed. If he keeps this up (and especially if he can prove that he won't be easily rocked), I'd be interested in resigning him with lots of incentives. But he needs more tests... his mound presence in the first was definitely frightening.
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim heating up
NYCF, I reported on Jim this morning at a music message board that had a thread on Rick Ankiel. My point was that Rick's long-term comeback is the feel-good human interest story that has helped kick the team into gear, but what will help kick the team into October is guys like Jim really coming back to a superlative level of play. In his last 9 games (starting with August 3), Jed is 16 for 36 = .444. That 4 for 6 last night boosted his season BA over .250 for the first time since mid-April.
I still pine for that MV3 combo to be wholly and consistently brilliant. I don't stop thinking about the season not too very long ago when, I believe, Jim won not just one but two NL Player of the Month titles in the second half. This was after Scotty was basically first-half MVP. So, Jim getting hot aligns with my deeply entrenched concept of him--especially if he starts cranking out dingers again.
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd the Kyle Russell signing
by Handsome Jimmy on Aug 15, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goold says no Russell
http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-bird-land/2007/08/bevo-beat-russell-back-to-texas/#more-14241
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Cardinals' fourth-round pick and NCAA home run leader Kyle Russell punched out the following text message to an Austin reporter this morning:
You have to watch my tall lanky (bad self) for another year
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by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad news
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We knew that though
by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprising, but still inexcusable
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 15, 2007 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
frustrating
by dmb60614 on Aug 15, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry you guys I had good intensions
by kyle man on Aug 16, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I love about baseball
by lordsummer on Aug 15, 2007 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at the National League
Then in the west, you have the Padres (who can't score) and the DBacks (who are playing way over their heads).
As they say, make the playoffs and roll the dice.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can take the Mets
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the fact
by Mr Redbird on Aug 15, 2007 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lake Express Ferry
by CliffNotes on Aug 15, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds great,
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitcher Hitting in the 8 Hole
Pitchers are hitting 8th to help Albert get a hundred ribbies, pure and simple. There is a reason that pitchers have hit ninth since the game began, they are the worst hitters in the lineup. Over the course of a season, the ninth spot in the order comes up the least amount of times. This is not rocket science.
by Vinegar Bend on Aug 15, 2007 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm
by Birds on the Matt on Aug 15, 2007 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
extra ABs
So the cost of moving the pitcher from 8 to 9 is:
- About 18 extra plate appearances for the pitcher's slot
- Less ability for the 8th slot to drive in runners already on based (i.e. mainly from the 5th, 6th, 7th slot)
1) More likely that the 1,2,3,4 hitters have an extra runner on base to drive in
Frankly, it is difficult to evaluate this problem intuitively. That's probably why managers for years have just stayed with the status quo.
Fortunately, we don't have to evaluate it intuitively anymore. A computer can run thousands/millions of simulations and see which choice produces the most runs.
We're fortunate to have a manager who is open to new ideas and doesn't simply do things a certain way because that's the way it's always been done. Despite whatever flaws he may have, I'd rather have TLR managing the Cards than Ted Simmons.
by psteinx on Aug 15, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the computer
by dmb60614 on Aug 15, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, that description
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto
And sometimes it will backfire, but nearly as many times it will work out nifty.
And to the person who said it was only designed to give Albert more rbi's... and THAT is bad because??
by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Kipper and Adam
Plus, if you say "since the game began," you're practically begging somebody to go look up 19th century stats from back when teams had 2-man rotations, there were left-handed catchers, and none of the modern rules apply!
by lordsummer on Aug 15, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You contradict yourself
by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the pitcher
When he is pinch hit for, usually it's with a pretty good hitter so that helps to negate the effect of having the pitcher's spot come up slightly more frequently than the new 9th place hitter's.
by chuckb on Aug 15, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
Almost anyone who understands sabermetrics says that the pitcher SHOULD NOT hit in the 9 hole. Batting the pitcher 6th, 7th, or 8th -- with the best hitters in the right spots in the order (1, 2, 3) -- will maximize the number of runs a team scores. It's not rocket science, but people who've studied the science of baseball can tell you this is true.
by chuckb on Aug 15, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piniero = Suppan with better stuff
Driving back from Lunch Duncan was on 590 talking about the pitching staff and Chris. He said Piniero has or needs to have a Suppan like pitching style but that Joel has better stuff then Sup and should be able to pull it off better. Looks like they want him to be our innings eater for the foreseeable future. He also said something along the lines of "people keep talking about how I want Reyes to throw a 2 seamer but with Piniero I actually want him to throw his 4 seamer more often" Cusimano asked him "Why?" "It's his better pitch." Interesting comment line right there to me.
by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Suppan never really threw a sinker
For the life of me I don't understand why Duncan doesn't think Reyes has an effective 4 seam pitch.
by DriverZn on Aug 15, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has to do with velocity
Reyes used to live there too, but something has happened.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the obsession with velocity
Reyes has good control over the 4seam. Hitters don't usually mash it. From the games that I have watched, most of the HRs have come on other pitches.
Anyone else find it odd that we are obsessed with velocity but yet the majority of 300 game winners were not "hard throwers"?
by DriverZn on Aug 15, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Chris Young live and die by his 4 seam
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't
I think Woody Williams may be a good comp for what Reyes can do. Woody, when at his best, did not necessarily rely on being down in the zone. He was effective when he used ALL parts of the zone. I remember how particularly effective getting "under the hands" of hitters. I don't know exactly how hard Woody threw, but I'm sure it wasn't ever far above 90 mph.
I believe that LaDuncan know (knows? Is LaDuncan a plural or singular word?) that Reyes cannot survive solely on a high fastball and a good change. A pitcher that does that will HAVE to throw about 105 mph. However, he can throw the majority of his pitches up if he develops the ability to pitch down in the zone effectively. You know, change the eye level of the hitter.
by Eckstreem on Aug 15, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote that "LaDunc"
... the trio IS playing tonight; not the trio ARE playing tonight.
by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason I mentoned him
The same people that say our pitchers will get crushed if they pitch up.
For some people, up works. Its not all about how hard you throw it. Ex: Sid Fernandez, who threw 88mph fastballs by hitters up all game long, for many years as a starter.
by DriverZn on Aug 15, 2007 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No matter what a guy's skill set,
by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a Game of Statistical Probabilities
by Vinegar Bend on Aug 15, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Ankiel
by Carps on Aug 15, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one ...
As a seperate point, contact hitters create more double plays than power hitters.
by Leo on Aug 15, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel
by Timbo02 on Aug 15, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, it could just be a case of a LHB
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely....
by Timbo02 on Aug 15, 2007 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox Saturday game last week
Hopefully the adjustment comes sooner than later.
by meat on Aug 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That spot seemed completely contrived
by sdrone on Aug 15, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the only way to get
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
AVG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO OBP SLG OPS
vs Left .275 109 21 30 4 2 9 30 5 21 .310 .596 .907
vs Right .264 280 41 74 11 1 23 59 20 69 .316 .557 .873
Those are his numbers from MiLB.com, so it doesn't look like it really matters whether the starter is a RHP or LHP...
by Mr Clean on Aug 15, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is, of course,
by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
by Mr Clean on Aug 15, 2007 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know one way or the other
Not to mention that I'd expect major league pitching to better be able to take advantage of any weakness--so that lefty slider that Ank might be able to overpower in AAA becomes a 90 mph randy jonhson (circa 2001) nightmare that gets fouled off to the 3rd base side.
by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure which AB it was
by player2bnamedl8r on Aug 15, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a difference a week makes...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2007/8/8/12594/91613/9#9
Here I sit one week later and this quote from Cardinals Diaspora sums up how I'm feeling today. Let's hope I'm still feeling this way August 22.
H"ow quickly things can change. It's hard to have perspective in a season that lasts 7 months. To know that if we fed the division foes truth serum that they'd readily admit that they've been weary of the Feebles all year. Knowing that TLR wasn't going to just roll over and burp. And now? Now we're charging up the division leader board like Matthew Broderick in Glory. Led by kids too stupid to know they shouldn't be winning, they should be `getting ready for next year'. Kip Wells got advice from Jeff Weaver, Tony Reyes got more than a quarter of a run."
by WiscCard on Aug 15, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fielder suspended three games
Stupid appeals process.
by itsalemmon1019 on Aug 15, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shelley Duncan hits 3-run HR in the bottom 9th
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's the orioles
by azruavatar on Aug 15, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly believe it's just a gamble that worked
I don't want to undercut either pitcher's production value this far but I don't think they are good bets moving forward.
The Orioles are one of the 5 worst franchises in the league right now.
by azruavatar on Aug 15, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I follow the O's pretty closely
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AL EAST
Why does it seem the Devil Rays failures seem so epic?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, tampa is bad...
By the way, Flores has been pitching better recently, or others have been pitching worse- the last time I checked (~all-star break) he was the worst reliever in MLB terms of WXRL; he's now the 7th worst reliever (and the only SLN player in the bottom 100). Way to claw your way up, Randy.
by SleepyCA on Aug 15, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you DO buy them?..
by Timbo02 on Aug 15, 2007 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Retirement home Home Run Derby
by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, man, not enough pine tar
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to agree with HoustonCardinal on lineups
In Tony's world, it makes a lota sense...and sense he lives in a HOF coach world, I'll take his crazy genius to other 'reasonable' MLB herd mentality thinkers, nothing personal Ted
by MaskedMan on Aug 15, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Batting the pitcher 8th...
Seriously though.. not to pick on Kennedy, but the guy hit .172 in August and was usually in the 9th spot.
Pinch-hitting for the 9th spot gives you the chance, if needed to bring in the right person for the right occassion in front of the real lead-off hitter.
This move is was much hiding Kennedy as it was hiding the pitcher.
We're not (usually) winning close ones... its blowouts one way or the other... so this minor change in the line-up really isn't the miracle cause for our wins.
by redbird2006in on Aug 15, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, in fairness to Kennedy
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fielder
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2007 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
It's not like we put some .400 OBP guy down there.
by redbird2006in on Aug 15, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strauss had an interesting take
Hope that's the case. It would make sense as to why he suddenly improved after the first and would bode well for the future.
by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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