Game 113 Open Thread: August 10, 2007
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13-3, 2.66 |
10-8, 4.35 |
the dodgers were seriously shopping this guy over the winter after signing wolf and schmidt; guess they're glad they couldn't find a taker. penny ranks 2d in the league in wins (after leading in that category last year) and 3d in era; he's allowed only 4 home runs in 149 innings. but he has been mortal since july 1 --- a 4.71 era in 6 starts, with more than 4 walks per 9 ip.
the cardinals have allowed the 2d-most runs in the nl since august 1st (5.7 per game), while the dodgers have scored the fewest (2.5/game). bad pitching beats bad hitting, doesn't it?
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I have very little hope of the Cards winning
Oh Good Grief!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
07 table
Yay Cards on TV tonight
What sucks is
But I am sure I can see the Yankees in HD and if not them then the Red Sock for sure.
VIN doesn't travel
steiner & lyons do the prime ticket "east coast" games.
Penny has always been a strong
Adam looks so happy
CHARLIE COME GET YOUR WHOPPIN!
every time I hear Charlie Steiner I think of that sportscenter comercial with Hollyfield walking all over the WWL's offices looking to whoop Charlie.
that and this one, with Big Mac about the year 2000.
FOLLOW ME!! FOLLOW ME TO FREEDOM!!
nice catch Jimmy
go get some runs gents.
Crap
Hardcore may be on to something. this night could suck.
We've let Chris Young and Brad Penny of the
Hell, we let Maddux get out of a 1st and 3rd, no outs situation with only giving up 2 runs, I believe.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
Penny pulled the string on his twice
Can someone please explain what just happened?
?
yeah what the heck was that??
Brad hit a slow roller up the first base line. Albert charged it and picked it up in front of the 1st base bag. then he just ran down the line and tagged out Brad who was still standing in the box thinking the ball was foul.
i have no idea what Brad was doing.
3 innings
alright Albert
almost
man this would suck if the Cards left yet another runner at 3rd with 2 outs.
Edmonds should try to NOT hit it to the 2B
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
THAT is going to be the 1st hit of the game?
Start striking people out now, AW.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
forced to watch via gameday
Nah.
by the red baron on Aug 10, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert pulling his foot off the bag early
good thing
any one else hear crickets?
they never, EVER learn
great K Adam.
Better learn a new position
YADDA's wearing his hitting shoes tonight
How's Ankiel looking.....
by dancurry on Aug 10, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
No throws yet
We have 3 lefties in the outfield now -- wonder what TLR will do against a lefty pitcher -- we could sub in Ludwick, Taguchi, Encarnacion and platoon the entire outfield.
by Keep your hands off on Aug 10, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
sweet mercy that curve is sexy.
if only
by johnstonburg on Aug 10, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
ECK does the same
Thatta kid Yadi
every time tonight i tell the boys to get a hit
so Albert, you'll hear nothing out of me right now.
Nice Eck
C R A P!!
that sucks.
Saw Victor Zambrano tonight
Has he ever been in discussions re. getting starting pitcher help?
** Aaron Herr, who is Tommy's son, plays 3rd base for Louisville (Cincy); he is, uh, a little heavier than his dad.
by CurtFlood on Aug 10, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
is he a lefty?
big right hander
by CurtFlood on Aug 10, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
did he play for the white sox?
wow, heck of a catch by Scotty.
crooked number for Houston
by CurtFlood on Aug 10, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
Houston
I don't think they have the pitching, but somehow this team always gets hot in the 2nd half, they could make it interesting as well.
We need to finish one of these rallies soon
Other than
Pujols, Duncun and Rolen really need to start getting some hits especially with runners on.
That is the 2nd inning this game
Awesome.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Jimmy
hahahahahaha
so therefore, i have no response.
I'm sure the Dodgers are saying the same thing
mmmmmmmmmm,,,
outstanding pitcher's duel
When do we face an "average" pitcher?
85 pitches for Wainer
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, I forgot
by CurtFlood on Aug 10, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
another sexy curve to end the inning
Oh, and the Astros are blowing it
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
yep just checked it, tied at 4
OOHHH that was strike 3 blue!
there you go Adam!
Twirl me a gem Wainer
Leave him in Tony!
And get some DAMN RUNS!!!!
1 would be fine.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Tony you suck
there's no way
Grrrr.
I can't stand that
Especially if this one goes to extras, which it kinda looks like....
Albert won't get anything to hit here
Pinch hit Juan? I'm sure he's a little pissed maybe he can turn it into something positive
Albert!!
the
FRICK????
Nice to see Albert got a nice
That's alright, Wainer will go 1-2-3 in the 9th and Rick Ankiel will be the hero.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Wouldn't that be something
does he really have a scheduled off day tomorrow?
i was thinking Jimmy
What more does Wainer
He's thrown well tonight
I think all the starters
with Sito warming up for the Dodgers
what a terrible way to lose this game. Adam deserved so much better.
Would have been nice if we could
Our offense REALLY needs to get out of their funk SOON!!
I am sick of tired of that
Yeah ok...
Look... the OFFENSE is the blame for this loss.. not Wainwright, not Tony
It's baseball smarts
It's also baseball smarts
i say a little from colum A
Wagonmaker was deffinalty losing control of some of his pitches. its almost a flip of the coin wheather or not he was going to give up anything in that inning.
you know
This is one of the few pitching decision made by TLR this year that I support fully. AW made a mistake to Loney--and, as someone else posted, probably should have pulled after Rolen's error (I mean Martin's hit)--but sending him out to start the 9th is definitely defensible. It's not like he put Flores or Jiminez in to pitch the 9th.
Yeah
That's what I said. He was great for 8.1 IP. But put him on a short leash. If he gets in trouble (a la Martin's hit), save his ass. If we have such a good bullpen, why not use it right there?
yeah
Wainwright deserved the ball in the 9th
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
why does it seem like
Oh Good Grief
We are going to lose 2-0.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
way to...
Actually
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it might be just me...
Take a loss
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
TLR and our offense both suck
by TriplePlay on Aug 10, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
oy
by longhornscardinals on Aug 10, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
I hope the offense
I like Hal McRae but we really need to get a different hitting coach next year.
i dont get it
it should been springer in there or tj
Not getting any of the borderline calls tonight..
Wow..
OK Cards, stop screwing with me
OK LUD
whatta nailbiter
they teasing us!
DUD
oh well.
NOT COOL!!!!!!!
I question this decision
yea stltrav09
should been encarnacion in there, more contact.
Why no Enc?
this is one of those decisions..like the all star
Look at gameday..
and then 3 feet over his head
Saito is a douchebag
oh
gee, who didn't see that one coming?
even Juan had a better chance. because as we all know, he's Mr. Clutch.
What a pisser
Bring up Ryan for crying out loud and just bench AK.
I don't really thing Juan...
by 2x41z2tu on Aug 10, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
The Kennedy strikeout pitch
Where was Juan?
Furthermore, why in the hell would you bring in Ryan Ludwick, who can't hit breaking pitches that are away in against a pitcher that throws nothing but breaking pitches away (with a 94 mph fastball to boot).
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
still
bullshit
As far as Wainwright in the 9th, I would've run him back out there but on the short leash: anybody reaches, he automatically comes out and Izzy, Percy, or Franklin comes in. Maybe the runs still score, I don't fault Tony for that.
But when the game is on the line, down one run at home, two outs, runners on 1st and 2nd, and the single worst hitter on the team is allowed to bat when two hitters who are considerably better stay put--I blame that on Tony.
that said
(P.S. If TLR was worried about a righty-lefty thing at the end, why not PH Miles, who switch hits? arrrrrgh)
I've had it with AK
But he shouldn't have been batting there in the first place.
Should have been Juan, or even Bennett up there.
agreed
by PujolsFan4Life5 on Aug 10, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugg
Kennedy snared a hard as hell ball last night and turn a key double play. He made lots of good plays in the field and did get one of the few hits off Penny. Just because he did what Rolen and Ludwick did before him, taking more pitches I think while doing it, against an all star closer you crucify him.
"you crucify him"
We need more production from an everyday player than what Kennedy has been giving. I really have no problem with his defense but he just isn't "earning his keep" so to speak with the Cards this year. And yeah that can cause alot of us to "crucify" him when a lot of us and I'm sure the team has expected a little more production.
He alone is not the reason the Cards have struggled this year but he sure hasn't helped. And to be honest I feel bad for the guy, but it's been an all season thing now and if Tony can play somebody that can get a little more production hitting wise at 2nd then it's time for someone else to take his spot, even with the contract Adam has.
Yes he has struggled..
.210/.280/.252 0 HR
.241/.290/.431 3 HR
He is slumping in August again (.136 BA) but he has picked up his game since the break. No it isn't good, and yes Ryan would be better, but I think we need to stick with AK right now. Defensively he is better then Miles and Offensively he is coming around.
2 more feet
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 10, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Plus
I know we have been facing some real tough pitching, but our offense really needs to wake up soon. (I'm looking at you Albert, Duncan and Rolen) Bad time for those 3 guys to get into a slump.
lance berkman
mcfarlane cooperstown series 5 announced
in a birds uni...but they are making a hammering hank
schmidt
aaron
mantle(right handed)
sandberg
eck
cobb
just got back from the game
when Ankiel's name was announced for the line ups he got as big a pop as Pujols.
WHY DO WE STILL FREAKING START AK? HE IS FREAKING TERRIBLE!
by Pujols on Aug 10, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Put that one on Mr. Infallable
I WAS at the game tonight and EVERYONE in my section was yelling for a lefty with the runner on in the Ninth. So no 20/20 hindsight necessary. We all knew this wasn't going to end well. Actually, we'd have been more upset if Ludwick or Kennedy had actually ended the game, and made TLR look like a genius. Well, tonight, Tony, you were outthought by everyone in section 435. Not the best way to earn your keep. I think his decision was based on his archaic fondness for wins. I laud him for the pitcher batting 8th, if only he would put Miles 9th. But tonight....AHHHHHRRRRGGG.
And then to let Kennedy bat? Where was Miles? Where was Enc? So many better choices. Maybe the thinking was a guy with a .218 average gets a hit every 5 at bats, so he was WAY overdue.
If losing TLR didn't also mean losing Jockety, who is arguable the best in the game, I'd say pull the trigger. I have no idea how that'll pan out, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see a manager who's making some poor decisions, and essentially single handedly losing games, sent packing, regardless of past performance.
Thank you for your tolerance.
yeah
by Pujols on Aug 10, 2007 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
nobody is mentioning letting Yaddy run
I do have a problem with not PH Encarnacion in the 9th instead of Ludwick or in place of Kennedy.
But another thing I didn't like was why didn't TLR pinch run for Yaddy? I'm not even sure he could have scored from first on a triple! Surely we could let Kip Wells PR if we didn't want to waste a bench player. Turns out it didn't matter at all, but I don't understand how you don't pull Yaddy off the bases at that point.
Ah well...
























