Game 83 Open Thread: July 6, 2007
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Maroth's 3rd start w/ the Cards - 1 good one and 1 bad one - he's due for another good one tonight. Against lefties, the Giants are 5th worst in the NL in OPS. Unfortunately, Lowry's also a lefty and the Cards are 2nd worst vs. lefties. Oh well, I like a pitcher's duel.
As for the other Giants, it would be disingenuous to have a game thread that didn't have some mention of Barry Bonds' coming to town, hoping soon to break Hank Aaron's record. As of Thursday, he needed just 5 homers to break the record and, though it's unlikely to happen this weekend, it's possible.
A lot of stuff on the p-d site re: Bonds, if you're interested. Clay Davenport of Baseball Prospectus has it at 1 in a million that he breaks the record tonight, 184 out of a million that he does it tomorrow, and 1410 that it happens on Sunday. See here: "I'm betting he sits one of the 3 out. No word on lineups yet but it wouldn't surprise me if he sits tonight w/ Maroth on the mound."
I'm tired of the Bonds is a cheating jerk stuff and I didn't want to get into another discussion of McGwire so I decided to devote this game thread to Hank Aaron. When he played his final game, I was just 6 years old so, clearly, I missed out on one of the (maybe, the?) greatest player(s) ever.
About Hammerin' Hank:
His career OPS+ was 155! He had 19 consecutive years with an OPS+ of 140! He hit 755 homers w/o ever hitting as many as 50 in a season. His peak was 47 in 1971. Certainly a tribute to his longevity! He was 30-30 (actually, 40-30) in 1963 before anyone ever knew what 30-30 was. According to baseball prospectus, compared to players throughout history translated to a 162 game season, his translated homers are 971! His career EQA is .326. From 1956-1968, his WARP3 was over 10 every year except 1, in 1966 when it was 9.9. It was 9.4 in 1955 and 9.9 again in 1969. He played, at various times and with varying success, 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, CF, and RF. He played in 2 World Series and the NLCS in 1969. Career postseason #'s -- .362 avg, 6 HR's in 69 AB's, OPS of 1.115! Talk about getting it done at crunch time!
Below are some links to some articles about Aaron and one to a great book about him. One of my favorite quotes is from Bud Selig who says, "I never saw a guy hit so many line drives all over the ballpark." Let's see, line drives everywhere, never hits 50 homers in a season, tremendous career - sound like anyone we know?
Below are links to 2 articles about Hank and the book link as well as a rather strange tribute by Delta Airlines.
Again, thanks a bunch to erik and azruavatar for all the help here.
Link to msnbc article
Link to article from Columbus Dispatch.
Hank on Delta Airlines
Hank Aaron and the Home Run that Changed America
Aaron's Baseball-reference page
Aaron's Baseball Prospectus page
BTW, I hope when Bonds comes to the plate tonight, Cardinal fans give some thought to Ryan Franklin and Troy Cate! To err is human. To forgive, divine.
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Although you wanted to keep it decent
only 69 playoff ABs in 23 years!
there's a great what-if
Aaron and Mays could have played in the same outfield!
Anyway the consensus is that there would have been a lot more post-season play for the braves if that happened ;)
Remember,
"Hammerin' Henry" just went out there and hit his 40 or so homers year after year after year after....
I don't give a rip about steroids; I don't want Barry Bonds to break Hank's record because I just don't LIKE Barry Bonds!!!
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 6, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for the history lesson!
Amen Brother! Preach On!
As a child of the seventies, I remember 3 guarantees about Hank - he was going to hit the ball hard, he was going to play the game the way it should and he would be humble about it.
There's ALOT to like about that!
very good point goaler
the things he accomplished in those 9 world series starts, when he went 7-2, (with many arguing it could easily have been 8-1, if not for game 7, 1968) plus 92 k's in 81 innings, the people who saw him do that will always consider gibson the best big game pitcher they ever saw
I love
erik
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 6, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
Here it is
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/dispatch/content/sports/stories/2007/07/03/hank_aaron.ART_ART_07-03- 07_C1_DR76GHJ.html
20-14
Jeez that is a ridiculous score. That was the 1st game of a doubleheader too. Both bullpens should be pretty taxed tomorrow.
Not to be a d!ck
Garland's game score
Great topic
Aaron was everything his stats indicate - an extremely consistent hitter with power, dangerous in any situation. Also, as far as an outsider could tell, a good teammate.
As for "playoff ABs" - for most of his career the only playoffs were the Series, and the Braves were only rarely good enough, but 24 All Star games shows where he stood.
I hadn't realized until I just took a look at his
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 6, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lineups from Y!
Roberts CF
Winn RF
Durham 2B
Bonds LF
Molina C
Aurilia 1B
Feliz 3B
Vizquel SS
Lowry P
STL:
Taguchi CF
Ludwick LF
Pujols 1B
Encarnacion RF
Rolen 3B
Molina C
Miles 2B
Ryan SS
Maroth P
He was
Forget the 2-seamer
That's hilarious
by Big Red on Jul 6, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
did u read all of those val?
Amazing that...
stlfan
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/OPSplus_career.shtml
about the last part....
I might be stupid or I just missed something along the way....when did Cate get in trouble for steroids?
by Petkovsek on Jul 6, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
Troy Cate
Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:36:27 -0700
ESPN.com reports Seattle Mariners P Troy Cate was suspended for 15 games for testing positive for steroids.
Alos, he's Mormon!
Cheating Jerk Indeed
"I'm tired of the Bonds is a cheating jerk stuff"
I'm tired of it too, Erik, but evidently Barry is not. For goodness sakes, where's there's smoke there's fire and BB has been smoldering a long while. There's a guy sitting in jail right now for those misdeeds. I've never seen a public figure with such a total absence of humility.
As the 'ol Goaler said, "I just don't like the guy!"
man, i blacked out again!!!!!!
if Juan see's the ball off the bat
does he have some shades on? that ball really looked like it should have been caught. even Dan said so.
well guess what.......
here comes 752
i luv Pujols
Maroth's not getting
nice play scotty. way to get out of that inning only giving up 1 gents.
Bonds grounded to pujols
Walking the leadoff man.........
Twins scored 3 more in the top of the 1st
The record for moat runs in a DH....
43 Boston v. Cincinnati Aug 21, 1894
A.L.
36 Detroit v. St. Louis (Browns) Aug 14, 1937
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Maroth wants to know why the hell
inches
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what happens
...careful
by cardschinmusic on Jul 7, 2007 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
and the pitcher swings
Bi-Polar Betty with 6 earned runs in 4.2 innings..
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
maybe i'm drunk, but
Yeeeeeah
ok
wow
You mean he's not a team player?
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i was amazed
This is one of my big rants
I've just always heard, on any conversation about
Bengie vs. Yadi
You know, because they're family.
I just don't understand
i think
that, and
I was so encouraged by his last series; he swung at the first pitch a couple of times and got a hit every time I saw him do it. This at bat he took the grroved strike and then swung at the ball and GIDP.
not to knock Albert
because he just did it again.
ugh.
Double Plays
Why can't Mlb.tv show clips of old baseball games
because
Or pop it up in foul territory
Wouldn't it be nice to see Scotty's power outage end here?
and those 27 strikes
this offense is making me sick
When he was asked for his opinion on the Aaron
"records should be broken, but you have leaked grand jury testimony, that as far as you know is truthful, but it was illegally obtained, and the lawyer who leaked it accepted the maximum jail term"
He should be a politician with that comment.
Aaron = Class
bonds = ASS
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonds Schmonds
Me too. I wish he'd stay healthy and play ...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
2 straight sac flies,
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
here comes 752
shhhhh
Off topic former 2B update
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
i miss Gansta Luv
Big Perm's
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
blacked out in Peoria....
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
VERY
definitely
so So has been watching
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
dude you paid $180?
"Blacked out in Peoria...."
i luv our defensive specialist in center
hurry back.
to entice
/kidding
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
geez
working the count
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
come on, now
Bonds is the only Giant
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
Arod ties Lou Gehrig,,,,
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
Thome
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But A-Rod also
gooch
sure SO OLD you make that sliding catch
it wouldn't be so bad
Flubs lose to the White Hot Pirates...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
nice hustly LUD
ohh
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
any one know a good eye doctor
of couse now that i say this, watch him end his homerless streak.
jesus christ
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
surprisingly
THAT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE!!!!
Hooray!
He floats after the ball
man
Juan's double should have tied the score
credit where credit is due
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
quick cable question
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
no seriously, here come 752
Good night Barry
Did anyone hear what Chipper Jones said....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 6, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
when will they learn?
freddy lewis
Buehrle
Jul 6 - According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, the White Sox are reportedly marketing Buehrle aggressively, but teams are balking at the price -- three players with two being prime-time prospects.
blowin' up
by yorktro on Jul 6, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is the rest of what they say
According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the White Sox and Buehrle agreed on terms of a contract extension last week (four years, $56 million), yet the deal died because the White Sox would not grant him a full no-trade clause.
The White Sox gave Paul Konerko, Jon Garland and Jose Contreras full no-trade protection for the first year of their current contracts, with Konerko also getting limited trade protection after the first year. Buehrle has the same first-year trade protection, but general manager Ken Williams acknowledged there would be an 18-month window in the middle of the deal without trade protection. "I called [Buehrle] to let him know this is not an effort on our part to get some sign-and-trade deal," Williams said. "We're not going into this with that mindset. You always want to have flexibility in constructing a roster, but we wouldn't have gone into this with that mindset.
"I wanted to explain to him, just in case there was any question about our motivation."
But it's believed that if the White Sox and Buehrle don't come to an agreement soon, the White Sox will look to trade the 28-year-old left-hander before the July 31 deadline, with the Mets looking like the most interested suitor, the Sun-Times reports.
"I obviously have to go down the road of exploring all of our options and all our alternatives," Williams said.
The Cardinals, Braves and the Dodgers are also reportedly interested in Buehrle, who is set to become a free agent after the season.
A source told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that talks with the Cardinals about Buehrle have been "ongoing." Anthony Reyes has been among the names mentioned in a possible deal.
7th inning features
Kennedy -- OPS .535
Taguchi -- OPS .726
The run expectancy matrix for this inning is about 0.000042 runs.
by Keep your hands off on Jul 6, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
so they boo Bonds, but not AK?
AK
Are they going to cut their losses with him soon and get rid of him or are we just stuck with him because of his multi million dollar contract?
2nd one i believe
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2007 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
2nd worst hitter in MLB
maybe we could get someone to spike his gatorade
finally found some one slower than YADDA
some of the most
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Albert
Well this was a pathetic display
Juan gets the clutch hit, too bad Horton and Shannon have been ripping him all night for half-assing it after 2 fly balls in the first inning, which gave them 1 run.
Cardinals 1 - San Fransisco 0 - Juan/So -3.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
first Speezer sighting in two weeks
from Al
WHAT is wrong with tying the game, Al?!?1?
just so long as we're within slam range!!
Let's go dunc.
HEY DUNK
kryptonite
how could he do worse than some of the other hitters? we don't sit pujols or rolen against righties, do we? i support la russa in general, but it's no good having your tied-for-the-leading hr hitter be a platoon player.
by willievinceterry on Jul 6, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
see?
by willievinceterry on Jul 6, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i think they meant
by willievinceterry on Jul 6, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You heard it here first
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
OK SO,
good contact at least.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
SOOOO not clutch
and the ump not giving Maroth the same strike zone he gave Noah.
yall realize that edmonds doesn't make that catch
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2007 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
I'm going to disagree
I still think Edmonds makes that catch.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you seriously think Jimmy wouldn't have
I would have to agree
- Find the wall.
- Find the ball.
Can't feel too horrible about that loss
Yeah, I'm not too upset about
Also, turns out Rolen's lineout was a bigger play than I thought it'd be. That ball is a foot to the left or to the right and the run scores.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
DUNK should START, not just play EVERY DAY
Well
On a possitive note. That Hoffpauir (sic) guy is all but yelling "Yeah I couldn't help but notice that you can use a good 2B. Well here I am!" Something to watch at AAA.
consider it a revenge game
Meanwhile Joe Mather (playing in CF!) hit his 5th home run in 15 games at AAA (and almost has his batting average to .200 again).

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