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TLR and his Frankenstein

Hope y'all had a happy 4th. And say what you will about Juan, but he sure has had a knack for clutch hits this season. Anywho, Azruavatar already touched a bit on the bullpen's performance Monday and Solanus talked about win probability Tuesday. Today my plan is to mesh both worlds and talk about Tony La Russa and how well he's managed his bullpens over the years. La Russa is credited for popularizing the monstrous 7 deep freak of a bullpen you see today, each with it's different "specialists". You may or may not be a fan of it, for what it's worth I thought it would be fun to take a look at TLR's bullpen usage and see how well he's done at leveraging his relievers.

There are a number of way to skin this cat statistically, but being the Fangraph fanatic that I am, I think the best way to tackle the subject is by looking at three important stats, and those are Win Probability Added, Batting Runs Above Average (BRAA) and Leverage Index. Quick primer before we dive in: I think by now most of you are familiar with win probability added, or WPA. If not, I'll just direct you here. WPA is especially important when evaluating relievers because it gives them direct credit for how they help/hurt their team's percentage of winning a particular ball game. Batting runs above average is a bit of a different animal but is easy to understand. It's based on Tangotiger's run expectancy tables and play-by-play data. Depending on the base/out state, the batting team is expected to score X amount of runs. BRAA tracks the difference between the Run Expectancy at the start of the play and the end of the play and attributes that difference to the correct player. This is important for relievers because WPA is based on how crucial the game situation is, and that is measured by the leverage index. But some of these relievers pitch well but are relegated to less important situations because their manager just doesn't trust them for some reason. They may be good at preventing runs, but they are preventing them in fairly meaningless situations. I figure if they are good at preventing runs in less important situations, odds are they'll do the same job in crucial ones. Get it? This is what BRAA can tell us and this what we'll be looking at. I think we'll see some definite patterns and be able to judge what TLR is doing, as with Fangraphs we have 5 and half seasons worth of data to look at. Nuff 'splaining, into the research:

2002

20 relievers were used, they threw a total of 529 innings with a 3.11 ERA. They posted a cumulative 5.16 WPA, or were good for about 10 and a half wins.

Who did he trust? (OK, a l'il more explaining needed-When I ask who did he trust, I mean what relievers got the ball in higher then average leverage situations then the rest of the bullpen. I consider Izzy is a given, until 2006...I'll get to that later.) Steve Kline (.98 WPA/13.08 BRAA, and I'll be posting it this way throughout), Rick White (.69/7.97), Gene Stechschulte (-.22/-3.87).

Who did he not trust? (When I say who did he not trust, that would be well below the average LI of the rest of the bullpen.) Mike Timlin (.77/7.78), Mike Crudale (.48/10), Luther Hackman (-.41)/-.80), Mike Matthews (-.62/-3.07).

Overall grade: I'd have to rate this bullpen and it's usage a A-. This pen got the job done. My only complaint was that Timlin wasn't used in higher leverage roles, which he would go on to excel at for the Red Sox. Perhaps he would've had later down the road for the Cards had he not had been traded. Mike Crudale was deserving of more important jobs as well.

2003

22 relievers were used, they threw 460 innings and put up a 4.79 ERA. Their WPA was -3.03, or - 6 wins.

Who did he trust? Cal Eldred (-.29/1.67), Steve Kline (-.25/5.84), Dustin Hermanson (.01/-2.99), Jeff Fassero (-1.52/-11.31).

Who didn't he trust? Kiko Calero (-.39/3.25), Esteban Yan (-1.21/-13.67).

Overall grade: D. Apologies for any flashbacks I might have given some of you, I think we all still have a little post traumatic stress disorder from watching this horrific bunch. The failure wasn't all on La Russa, Izzy was on the DL for much of the season and just look at the bums he had to work with. Still, his persistence with Fassero and the fact that they didn't send Yan packing sooner then later doesn't help his case. A D grade might be harsh given the fact that you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip, but thankfully the message was received in the front office and they got some much needed help later that winter.

2004

A total of 15 relievers were used, they pitched 457.1 inning and had a 3.01 ERA. They added 7.67 of WPA, or about 15 and a half wins.

Who did he trust? Steve Kline (.49/11.65), Julian Tavarez (.87/8.03), Ray King (2.09/21.08).

Who did he not trust? Kiko Calero (1.49/13.94), Cal Eldred (.40/-1.14) Dan Haren (.-21/4.52).

Overall grade: A+, performance wise but there were a few things that could have been done better. First of all, Al Reyes was lights out almost all season for Memphis but couldn't crack the roster until September. Secondly, Crazy Hoolie and the "Pine Tar Cap of the Apocalypse" was great and all, but Calero was clearly the better pitcher. Lastly, Ray King was nails all season but Steve Kline was used in more crucial situations. Had the bullpen been reshuffled a little bit, they may have won 107, 108 games. I guess TLR just had to settle for 105. Wimp. OK, gnat straining time is over. Oh, how I do miss those glory days.

2005

16 relievers were used, they threw 397.2 innings and put up a 4.25 WPA, or 8.5 wins.

Who did he trust? Julian Tavarez (1.18/5.29), Al Reyes (2.15/18.12), Ray King (-1.91/-5.21).

Who did he not trust? Cal Eldred (.57/7.53), Brad Thompson (1.14/8.94), Randy Flores (.38/-2.24).

Overall grade: B+. Another great bullpen results wise, but on the negative the Burger King got broiled and La Russa still kept trotting him out there. Bad decision. Also, not showing much creativity, Al Reyes was the best reliever on the staff and yet wasn't trusted as much as Tavarez. (In case you haven't heard, Reyes very quietly has established himself as one of the games better closers in baseball for the Rays this season.) Brad Thompson also was very good, but as a rookie he was eased into crucial situations like an old man into a hot bath, as his average LI was a measly .74.

2006

13 relievers were used and they put up a 4.06 ERA, and had a 1.24 WPA, or about 2.5 wins.

Who did he trust? Wainwright (1.70/15.44), Looper (.55/9.08), and Flores. (.29/-6.19)

Who didn't he trust? At least during regular season, Josh Kinney (.47/7.20). His average leverage index per batter faced was a pretty minuscule .47. He also didn't show much faith in Wonderbrad (.14/10.14), Jorge Sosa (-.31/2.17), Josh Hancock (.11/-2.80) Tyler Johnson (-.73/-4.66).

Overall grade: C-, but TLR figured it out in the post season, so huzzah! La Russa gets a big demerit here because of the whole Baron von Isringhausen debacle. Izzy's LI of 2.34 led the league, but he was a -.84 in WPA. It took 10 blown saves to get in through their skulls that Jason was hurt and much earlier Wainwright could have been easily installed as the closer while Looper, Kinney and Thompson would have held the fort down. Had that happened, the Tomahawk chop-page might not have been necessary. As for TLR's bullpen usage in the playoffs, A+.

2007

16 relievers have been used over 259.2 innings and have logged a 3.99 ERA and a WPA of 4.14, or about 8 wins. Their average LI is only .87, meaning they haven't had tons of big situations.

Who has he trusted? Ryan Franklin (1.71/13.50), Randy Flores (-.65/-9.36), Kip Wells (.30/2.12), Troy Percival (.16/1.67), Troy Cate (.51/3.91)

Who hasn't he trusted? Russ Springer (.55/4.02), Tyler Johnson -.46/.450, Brad Thompson (.47/.36), Todd Wellemeyer (.24/1.22), Kelvin Jimenez (.04/-11.22)

Overall grade: INC. So far, so good for Ryan Franklin and Izzy. Russ Springer has been fairly effective but has mostly pitched in low leverage situations. Kelvin Jimenez was a disaster just in mop up duty and has rightly been banished to AAA. Flores has been abysmal and Troy Cate may ascend to the top LOOGy soon. The addition of Percival is a welcome blessing so far too, hopefully he can stay healthy.

Last but not least: How well has Izzy been leveraged? Well, looking at NL closers with 20 + saves over the last 5 seasons, Izzy has finished 8th, 14th, 10th, 7th, 1st in average leverage index per game.  This season he's 10th amongst NL closers. It's funny that the season he leads the league in LI was also his worst season. Overall this tells me he's been pitched in some jams (some self inflicted), but he's been used more strictly as a 9th inning man, not really a "fireman".

Overall there are some definite patterns to be found here. For one, TLR tends to do a little too much hand holding with the youngsters and some of the newbies. Al Reyes, Kiko Calero, Adam Wainwright, Brad Thompson, Josh Kinney, etc. all had to gradually work their way up into higher leverage situations, and at times that was to the team's detriment. I can't blame TLR for wanting kids to prove themselves, but not while hanging on to languishing vets because of their rep and pay scale. He didn't do that with Wainwright, however, giving him more important roles then the ex-Met closer Looper. Another thing that bugs me about TLR is the over reliance on LOOGys, especially over the last 3 seasons. These guys have been a killer, particularly Flores this season and the last. My final gripe is that he seldom will call on his relief ace when the game is truly on the line, more often then not he will hold onto Izzy strictly for a "save" situation. On the positive side they have taken some guys who were considered fungible and have turned them into some useful parts. TLR has done a decent job developing young relievers as well as milking the best out of previous unknowns and scrapheaps like Cal Eldred, Al Reyes, Kiko Calero, Josh Kinney, and Ryan Franklin to name a few.

I think the results speak well for themselves. You may not like the La Russian monstrosity, but more often then not, it's helped the team win. It would be nice to see him think outside of the box more often.  There's a 2006 World Series flag flying that helps prove that doing such can get results, too. (And when I say think outside of the box, I DON'T mean converting relievers into starters! Sorry, just venting some frustration over the last two games. I'm pretty sick of that type of out of the box thinking.)

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Awesome
post, Erik!  A lot to digest...

by jfs on Jul 5, 2007 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Could not agree more
Great post, my brain hurts a little now though.....

by gonzostl on Jul 5, 2007 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Al Reyes
I could never understand why, after Reyes got injured at the end of '05, the Cardinals still didn't hang on to him...

I know they figured "old reliever, out for a year, who knows how he'll be in '07," but the numbers he put up in his two seasons with the Cardinals were absolutely freakish---I mean he was allowing like 6 hits per 9 with a strikeout an inning, costing not much more than the minimum. Equally nasty vs. LH and RH. These guys don't grow on trees.

And it would have been one thing if you'd seen the guy pitch and couldn't understand how he was getting guys out, but watching Reyes was fun---he attacks hitters and just eats them up.

by salvomania on Jul 5, 2007 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Al Reyes hit hard recently
but through his first 28 appearances, he was holding hitters to:

.128/.196/.245

That's right: a .128 batting average against.

His last six appearances however, he's been knocked around, allowing 9 earned runs in 5.1 innings, which has really inflated his ERA.

Still, for 2007 he's holding hitters to a .175 average, allowing fewer than 6 hits per 9 and striking out better than a batter an inning. I'll take that.

by salvomania on Jul 5, 2007 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was cheering hard
for him as he started the year so hot.  Unfortunately, he went on the DL yesterday morning with a strained rotator cuff.   Hope this isn't the last of him...

by RedbirdRay on Jul 5, 2007 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh...
the Cardinals DID try to bring Reyes back and hold on to him while he was injured. It was his choice to leave.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 5, 2007 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was never clear on the circumstances
surrounding his going to TB...

My impression is that, after his injury at the end of '05, he was a free agent, and he didn't accept a contract with Tampa Bay until near the end of spring training the following year... does he live down there or something, so it was easier for him to complete his rehab using their facilities, and did he spurn a StL offer?

by salvomania on Jul 5, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep
He lives down there. Supposedly, the Cardinals offered to keep him and pay for his surgery, but he found it easier to just deal with Tampa since he lives there. He turned the Cardinals down.

by Carps on Jul 5, 2007 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also remember
Fresh in their memory was the failure of Mike Lincoln to come back from TJ surgery.  The club had sunk time and money into rehabbing Lincoln and could have decided it wouldn't be worth it to take a chance on the older (36-ish) Al Reyes.  

He was going to cash in in 2006, but never got the chance.  Hope he succeeds.  

 

youneverknow

by meat on Jul 5, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lincoln
Forgot about him. Did he ever pitch again?

by paCardsFan on Jul 5, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys
Does anyone know how Carps rehab start went? I havent heard anything about it.

by Calhoun on Jul 5, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

not well
"Pitching around two errors, Carpenter allowed five runs, three earned, in 1 1/3 innings for Class A Palm Beach"

small sample size, and the real issue is whether he can pitch without pain, but not a good outing.

Better luck next time.....

by madridbend on Jul 5, 2007 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

It did not go well.
Here's a post from Tuesday, but I haven't had time to look into it any deeper

Carp gets shelled
1.1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 2 K, 0 BB

Two errors behind him didn't help. He was yanked in the second.

by DCGreg on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 05:15:39 PM EDT
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by toris34 on Jul 5, 2007 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Really good stuff
I had forgotten how upset I was w/ LaRussa for not using Reyes (Al) more than he did.  He was absolutely great almost every time out and I remember thinking how much it was going to hurt us in the postseason when he got hurt on the last day of the '06 regular season. He was great!

I wonder if the 'pen's success last postseason is partly attributable to the fact that LaRussa didn't use them as much during the regular season.  There wasn't a good book on Johnson and Kinney, in particular, and the opposing hitters had had very few ABs against them.  It may have almost cost us in the regular season but it may have paid off in the postseason.

by chuckb on Jul 5, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

right you are
I knew I had a 50/50 chance of getting it w/o looking it up -- I guessed wrong.  Thanks.

by chuckb on Jul 5, 2007 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent post,, Erik
Thanks for the systematic look at bullpen use to take the discussion beyond our personal impressions.

Good followup posts, too.

Losing Al Reyes in 2005, in retrospect, was a severe blow for the postseason.

In 2006, it was almost as painful to watch Izzy as it must have been for him to pitch with a damaged hip, but TLR didn't overcommit to Looper, a vet with closer experience.

by madridbend on Jul 5, 2007 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

That roto-bar is wrong
Rolen is batting .272, not .281 .

Which is pretty amazing.  

31 games into the season, Rolen hit rockbottom
.200/.266/.310 .576 OPS

Since, 43 games
.322/.394/.448 .842 OPS

Yay to Rolen figuring out what he CAN and CANNOT do!

I'd still love to see him get a 2 HR game tonight and kinda get that ship righted a bit.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

that's still a low
ISO for him.  Even lower than his injury marred 2005.

by azruavatar on Jul 5, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bullpen - late nineties
Those years also reinforce your assessment of LaDunc preference for LOOGY & veterans.....remember the lefty tandem of Tony Fossas and Rick Honeycutt?.....I believe they were both pushing 50 at the time.

by Hinkster on Jul 5, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Rick Honeycutt
Anytime I think of Rick Honeycutt, I remember a silly exhibition game I played on Triple Play 96 (or something like that) on the Sega Saturn. He was the last guy in the bullpen and I was playing at the converted Mile High Stadium. The AI manager left him out there to die and I absolutely killed him - I know the final tally was at least 23 runs that final inning.
Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Jul 5, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Jesse Orrosco
Dude was in the original RBI Baseball, wasn't he?
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Jul 5, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Older than that
Orosco had been in the league for six years before the vacuum tube was invented.
Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Jul 5, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Al Reyes, 2005, and the bases loaded
One reason that Tony may have had reluctance to use Al Reyes in higher pressure situations in 2005 was that he allowed bases clearing doubles in his first two at bats with the bases loaded (4/16 v MIL & 4/22 v HOU). He also surrendered two grand slams over his next 5 at bats in the same situation.

He did get a small measure of respectability in the final series of the year, as he saved WonderBrad's and Burger's asses by striking out the side with the bases juiced in the Friday game against Cincinnati. Of course, that was his last appearance that ended with him healthy afterwards.

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Jul 5, 2007 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Russell Martin overworked?
I know he's a solid hitter and all, but does anyone think it might be a little silly that he's played in 81 of the Dodgers' first 85 games. Of those 81, only three of them had one AB or fewer, so the great majority have been starts. That doesn't bode well for playing time / performance in the second half.
Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Jul 5, 2007 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

He's only 25...
and is having a All-Star season. I wouldn't come out of the line-up either.

by Timbo02 on Jul 5, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's obviously not coming out of the lineup
He wants to play everyday, at least if he's any sort of competitor.  The fault would lie on Grady Little if he were to fizzle out in the second half.
"Tyler's gonna bust a nut on some babies tonight!" - Tyler Johnson (as told by Alex Fritz)

by Mr Redbird on Jul 5, 2007 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Surely no one would ever blame Grady for anything, would they?

by Hinkster on Jul 5, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely not anything
that has to do with leaving someone in a little too long, eh?
"Tyler's gonna bust a nut on some babies tonight!" - Tyler Johnson (as told by Alex Fritz)

by Mr Redbird on Jul 5, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red Sox

It would be hilarious if Grady hired Bill Buckner as a bench coach and then swept the Sox in WS.

by Hinkster on Jul 5, 2007 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok...
since something positive about Encarnacion was uttered, I'll have to counter that.

Sure his close & late line of .476/.476/.714 in 21 PAs is nice, but his BABIP in those situations is .563...

Is that too negative?

Fire LaJocketty, Hire DePodesta!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 5, 2007 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

The funny thing about Juan's close and late
numbers is that the games are often 'close' late because he can't come through earlier in the game with RISP.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too easy to say that
It oversimplifies the situation, and is something that would be very time consuming to prove or disprove.  I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around this year.

by saladdays on Jul 5, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good response
that's pretty good evidence.
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Jul 5, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

people
do realize that the RISP is one of the most inconsistent numbers in sports. Guys can be great at it one year, and not the next. There has been no evidence to prove a guys is either "good" or "bad" hitting w/ RISP.
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by beanocook on Jul 5, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed
I can't figure out how to access 2006 stats on this (hardball times seems to only keep the current year) but last season Juan was one of the very best BA/RISP guys on the team.  
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 5, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posts below say it the best
But anyway, the figure you threw out there doesn't tell me anything, since we are specifically looking for his ABs with RISP "early" in the game compared to his ones "late" in the game.  We'd have to agree what constitutes "early" and "late" before anything could even be done.

by saladdays on Jul 5, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant
the posts above say it best about how RISP is overrated.

by saladdays on Jul 5, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Juan and his hitting,
I went through his plate appearances this year and broke them down a couple ways.

The first is by Leverage Index, a measure of the pressure of a given situation. A Leverage Index (LI) of 1.00 would be an average situation; 0.20 would be during a blowout; 2.00 would be with runners on in a close game. Looking at Encarnacion, he batted 9 for 54 (.167) when the LI was 0.50 or worse. Indexes between 0.50 and 1.50 yielded a 24 for 78 mark (.308). And when the pressure was on (LI >= 1.50), he batted 10 for 31 (.322). With runners in scoring position, it was much the same story (0-8 / 4-16 / 4-17 for each).

The second way I looked at is by game state. I came up with an 8-point scale to determine the score/baserunner situation.

  • 0 (first three innings, inclusive) - 11 for 51 (.216)
  • 1 (down by 4 or more) - 5 for 26 (.192)
  • 2 (down by 2 or 3 runs) - 4 for 14 (.286)
  • 3 (trailing w/tying run on base or at plate, inclusive) - 5 for 18 (.278)
  • 4 (tie game) - 6 for 14 (.429)
  • 5 (leading by 1 run) - 5 for 15 (.333)
  • 6 (leading by 2 or 3 runs) - 2 for 6 (.333)
  • 7 (leading by 4 or more) - 5 for 19 (.263)
States 3-5 are obviously important, as this gives an opportunity to score the tying, go ahead or insurance runs. And in those states, he was a combined 16 for 47 (.340). Even better, when you narrow the focus to the 7th inning or later, with the team +/- 3 runs, he is batting 10 for 25 (.400).

So, while we are dealing with the eternal issue of small sample size, Brekky has shown good performance when it's been vital this year. Yes, he's struggled early in games and his batting with RISP has been less than exemplary, but his offensive contributions have been very welcome. (Now if we can just get him to stop looking like a fool in right field.)

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Jul 6, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Outfield Options
About halfway through the season, it's pretty clear that Dunc is the best outfielder of the bunch (at least for his bat).  Speizio edges out Juan as the second best option.  

Dunc               .281  .372  .544  .916
Speez              .279  .358  .412  .770  
Juan                .263  .292  .438  .730  
Gooch              .287  .342  .376  .718  
R-LUD              .234  .261  .450  .711  
Jed                  .238  .308  .394  .702
Skip                 .233  .277  .267  .544

So there  -- that's something negative about JuanE.  Gotta admire the guy's consistency . . .

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Jul 5, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of on topic,
since we're on the subject of relievers, there's a great article about Percival over at ESPN.  More of a fluff piece than anything, but apparently we can thank Adam Kennedy for talking Percival into coming back:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=2920203

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 5, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Fire bad, tree pretty...
My old school brain hurts right now.
"It's always about money; anyone who says it's not is lying."- Gene Simmons

by cardsrul on Jul 5, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Credit
Has anyone determined if we get college credit for this course?  You guys blow my mind with some of these unbelievable statistical breakdowns.  
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by Eckstreem on Jul 5, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

a 12 year old kid in shadyside
with the AOL screen name DLittlefield13579 is laughing hysterically right now.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 5, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly Stinnett is done in STL
Check the update box on the left of the screen on the main page.

He wasn't flashy, but he definitely helped out alot.  An under-appreciated player for 2007 for the Cards, IMO.  Thanks Kelly.

"Tyler's gonna bust a nut on some babies tonight!" - Tyler Johnson (as told by Alex Fritz)

by Mr Redbird on Jul 5, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

my head hurts
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 5, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Will we remember these past 4 days as the
'days that Milwaukee went to Pittsburgh and came back to Earth?'
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Stat of the Day
Anthony Reyes is tied for 5th in the National League in Complete Games, and leads the Cardinals in that department.

And people diss him for being a 5 inning pitcher.

Before hitting the reply button,

  1. I love Anthony and feel he should be starting in St. Louis, not Memphis
  2. I know his CG was 5 innings

by Keep your hands off on Jul 5, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Cards extend Franklin
Extension for Franklin
Cards just announced that Ryan Franklin has signed a two-year extension with a club option for 2010. I don't have dollars yet. Interesting deal...

-M.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

now that's
the blockbuster we've all been waiting for!

by jeff abs on Jul 5, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I don't get is why?
Why both sides would do it.  I mean, for the Cardinals it makes sense as he has been more than effective as the setup guy, has an above average arm that COULD be moved to the rotation if the rest of the arms keep falling off.

However, for Franklin, he wants to be a starter.  He is in essence locked in with the Cardinals to do whatever THEY want him to do.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2007 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, it's hard to believe
He signed with the cardinals looking to be the 5th starter, and they haven't even given him a shot at it.  You'd think he'd be a little bitter about that.

Then again, it's been mentioned a couple of times by our sparkling radio personalities that he really loves "having the opportunity to compete every day", so who knows.  Maybe he likes being the 8th inning guy.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 5, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

puzzled...
percival? kinney?

by johnstonburg on Jul 5, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Maybe he's trade bait. Get him signed for a couple years to up his value (if anyone wants him for multiple years).

by ZiggyG on Jul 5, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh my
Food for thought- we could potentially save 6.75M by declining izzy's option ($8M w/$1.25M buyout) and moving franklin (or even one of the two you mentioned) into the closer role next year.

I'm not saying it would be a great idea, but in most areas Franklin is outpitching izzy this year despite izzy's newfound strength, and doesn't have the injury risk history that Izzy has.  Plus he actually is useful for 2-inning save situations, and seems to thrive on high-pressure situations.

At the very least it gives us leverage in negotiations, at best we use that money towards a free agent starter like MB...

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 5, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup
Taguchi
Ludwick
Pujols
Encarnacion
Rolen
Miles
Molina
Ryan
Wainwright

by Carps on Jul 5, 2007 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

is this
another bizzaro night for the miles - ryan combo?

by jeff abs on Jul 5, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

When will this crap of Dunk
not starting vs a lefy end?

and why is GIDP hitting clean up? AGAIN??

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 5, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typical.
All righties. This is why we hit so badly against lefties. We keep good hitters like Duncan from playing.

by Carps on Jul 5, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Tony says they are going back to their
'natural positions' from now on.

Tony said the other day in a postgame wrap up the Ludwick was going to be in the lineup "5 of the next 6 games" before the ASG.  Meaning, less Duncan against lefties, still.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

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