Game 100 Open Thread: July 28, 2007

by lboros on Jul 28, 2007 9:28 AM EDT in St. Louis Cardinals News


parra	thompson
0-0, 3.86	6-4, 4.93

with rick hummel set to enter the hall of fame tomorrow, i thought i'd pimp my interview with the commish, posted back in january. congrats and salutations, sir, on a well-earned honor.

here's a major complaint about busch iii: the egress from the box seats is completely dysfunctional. there's only one exit portal per every 6 sections or so, which means that when it starts raining (as it did with two outs in the top of the 3d last night) you've got thousands of people trying to squeeze out to the concourse through one access point. extraordinarily slow and inefficient --- not to mention unsafe. suppose they needed to evacuate that place in an emergency? as we stood there getting soaked, bottlenecked in the aisle behind hundreds of our fellow patrons in a slow-motion exodus, my dad and i wondered how the fire marshall ever signed off on this design, which flat-out doesn't work. at every other stadium i've ever been to, every aisle in the box seats leads straight to the concourse --- no lines, no waiting. the circulation in the busch iii boxes is so nonsensical, you'd think it was designed by the same guys who constructed the roster.

[cue rim shot] . . . . .

we departed after the 7th inning, in full knowledge that we were sparing ourselves the spectre of taguchi at 2d base. we didn't figure on kennedy at short, though; we thought he would move over to 3d and miles would play ss. but as usual, tony was a step ahead of dad and me; that @#$%#$@# genius. his cleverest move of the night was allowing maroth to bat for himself in the 4th inning with two outs and a man in scoring position with the cardinals trailing 6-1; maroth popped out, then returned to the mound to face just one more hitter . . . . . tony fooled dad and me on that one, too.

trade "news": neither izzy nor springer is likely to be moved, per this morning's post-dispatch. that leaves troy percival as the best cardinal relief pitcher on the market --- line forms to the left.

today is my last at the SABR conference; it will wrap up tomorrow, but i'll be on my way back to denver by then. i'll have a new thread up later today for the night game. (and yes, day-night doubleheaders suck. those of you too young to remember the old-fashioned doubleheader, two games back-to-back . . . . sorry you missed out. those were fun.)

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must sweep

So after the dust settles tonight we're going to be somewhere between 11 games out (season over) or 7 back (there's still hope!)....OR, we split and do nothing except waste two games and we're all left still wondering.

I know, I know, the Cards are probably cooked already, but I just can't throw in the towel just yet...

10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Jul 28, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions

springer

why can't the cardinals trade spriner? he'll be away from his child for a couple of months, it's not like he has to move his family to another city. given the current state of the organization I think it would be irresponsible for the cardinals to hold onto springer if there is a market for him.

let anthony reyes pitch and learn from his mistakes.

by thefordhamflash on Jul 28, 2007 10:55 AM EDT reply actions

I imagine...

There was a verbal agreement between Jocketty and Springer regarding trading him. If there was such an agreement, then Jocketty should honor it.

Look, I don't think you meant to sound cold in that post, but to me its a non issue. Forget whatever second or third tier might be prospect we could get for Springer, he's got a kid with autism that needs him and needs a stable environment. Besides being a MLB franchise, the Cards are also an employer. I would want any employer making concessions to help a loyal employee out for family situations.

Speaking of double headers, I fondly remember a double header around 1993. My friends and I piled into our friends' 1986 Impala, four in the back three in the front. It was hotter than all hell that day, but we had seats in the shade in the third deck.

by Brock20 on Jul 28, 2007 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions

my DH

(which used to mean double-header until it became designated hitter) was in old Crosley Field (Cincinnati)
I was in the outfield bleachers, not too far from my man, Curt. I remember the Cards scoring eight runs in one inning. But I also remember the smell of mustard and spilled beer cooking on the concrete.

And as far as "concourses" go, I don't think that park HAD any

by CurtFlood on Jul 28, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions

The rain

I've been to 3 games in St. Louis in my life and they were last year -- 1 of them was the "tornado game" -- where the tornado came through, the tarp was torn trying to get it on the field and the rain was falling in sheets. Fortunately I was sitting right behind the LF wall in the casino boxes or whatever those are called. In any case, it was covered and there was a bar right behind the seats. I had a lot more fun than most.

It took, seemingly, forever for those in the boxes to get into the concourses. I can tell you, they were going as quickly as possible, too, b/c it was raining buckets. People were absolutely drenched. Fortunately, I was able to watch it all from my seat. That was one night when I was glad not to be in the boxes (or in the concourses when venders' carts and trash cans were being blown down the concourse and into people!).

by chuckb on Jul 28, 2007 11:31 AM EDT reply actions

Not trading

Spring does not bother me.

Not trading Izzy...

I can only figure that this move means that Tony will be back next season because there is no way he can handle a season where he doesn't know who the closer will be. An unhealthy and payroll waisting obsession. Far better I say to spend the next 2 months trying out all the options in the organization (because I assure you there is one somewhere), get some minor league talent, and have 8 million to reallocate for next season than to ride out Izzy in a season that doesn't matter.

Silly move...

by JMedwick on Jul 28, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions

Izzy is a 5/10 guy

and the rules say if he doesn't want to go, he doesn't have to. I can see him in an Atlanta--because as long as Bob Wickham is their closer, they don't have a closer. If Atlanta really wants him and the Cards would part with him, I really think they'd be able to work something out. LaRussa wouldn't even think of going into a season without a proven veteran at closer, so I think you're right-that he's coming back. That distresses me.....

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I think I am in tune with both of you

... given Izzy's health history, I have queases about him for next year. (In fact I am still stunned he is doing as well as he is this year.) In any case I am tired of the half a pack of ciggies ninth inning Interestinghausen show.

And I am tired of Tony, too. Quirky is acceptable, but incomprehensibly stupid (which he IS six or seven times a year) is not.

by CurtFlood on Jul 28, 2007 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions

But

Wickham is good! Edwards is only batting .143 against him.

by baw on Jul 28, 2007 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

The tornado game

Wow, mention of that game last year made me remember this video, which makes me feel a little bad to laugh at, but I think everyone was ok.

by mattylite on Jul 28, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions

I was at that game...

and it was actually a lot of fun.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Two lefties today?

Getting swept in a day/night double header sucks.

Atleast bobbyballgame1 will get his wish and the team we all love will get it's brains beat in.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions

That means automatically our best

players will not start. I was very disappointed in the way Tony managed the game yesterday. I'm hoping, against all hope, that the players will determine on their own that they will not let either of their kid pitchers lose today and play their two best games of the season. Just go for broke, there's one game after today, and they are off on Monday. Please, players, play a hard 18 even if LaRussa doesn't......

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions

With the revelations today....

from the PD. It really doesn't matter anymore. I thought management was too stupid to realize what is best for this team without getting it pounded into thier head with a sweep at the hands of the Brewhas....

Alas, they are too stupid either way.

It's time for a change.

Please Billy...Show these clowns the door!!!!

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions

My prediction

Left handed starter, first major league start.

Thompson pitches decently, goes 52/3, gives up four runs.

Final score: 6-1 Brewers.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions

I'll be so disappointed...

if TLR is back next season. I can't take another season of platooning the 2nd best player on the team.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 1:09 PM EDT reply actions

Personally, if I were Mr. DeWitt

I'd fire him for that!

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm getting

to the point where I'm less passionate about shaking up the team, and becoming much more passionate on shaking up our management.

One observation is leading to another and I can't help but think that TLR is bringing this team down.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, like he's trying to flush the whole

thing down the toilet......

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I predict atleast one MVP award

in the career of Ryan Braun. Had he started this year on the Brewers roster, I think he could've got it this year possibly.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions

Well

#1 right now he is a K machine striking out in nearly 1/4 of his AB's. Currently sporting a nifty .395 BABIP. He's obviously got some big time power but k-rates like that are a little scary to say the least. #2 his defense is bad. 12 errors in 52 games in the majors and I can't find it now but a bunch in the minors as well.

Dude's good, but I don't know if I'm going to give him an MVP just yet.

Pujols currently < Career godliness.

by joker24 on Jul 28, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

3 Errors

As a minor leaguer. That's not too bad for a 3B.

by liam on Jul 28, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Two out hits

It has reached the point of being impossible to ignore. Why are the starters on this team so utterly incapable of getting the third out in an inning?

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

because other than Wainwright...

none of them are very good? :P And Waino is still young, so I give his struggles a pass.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Eck was safe by a mile...

and our spineless manager just sits in the dugout.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions

Good inning, guys.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions

I think

it may be just you and me today, TriplePlay.

So... how's the family?

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

The family is good....

It is eerily quiet around these parts nowadays. Last season these game threads would get up to about 800 posts.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

SELL!!!!

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions

AGAIN

with the two out runs. There has got to be some sort of explanation. (and yes, they suck is a real explanation, but I'm hoping for something a little more substantial.)

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions

One theory

Ricky Horton was theorizing last night that (at least for Maroth) he wasn't "finishing his pitches" from the stretch.

By the time these lousy starters get two outs, there's generally a baserunner on first and they're pitching from the stretch, with lousier deliveries.

These starter performances are getting annoying.

by liam on Jul 28, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

On the plus side...

we are really screwing over the Cubbies right now. The Bleedcubbieblue people are cursing us :D

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 1:46 PM EDT reply actions

This team

generates less buzz than my great aunt at a singles bar.

by Hammondsbird on Jul 28, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply actions

Hilarious!!!

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Encarnacion at-bat

Was I just seeing things or when Juan E was up last time did they flash his stats and have a Cubs logo instead of Cards and then took it down pretty quick???

by Rhino on Jul 28, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

How come when we give up several runs early

our offense justs disappears??

Are they just giving up or are the opposing pitchers just that good?

Sadly after watching the pre-game show today on FSMW it doesn't sound like we are going to make ANY trades by the dead-line what so ever.

Izzy want to stay and we know the story with Springer. Sounds like Juan is staying as well.

by KYCards on Jul 28, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

I just can't believe that....

LaDuncketty needs to go. Their time has run out here.

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh yeah...

We can forget about '08 as well.

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Dear Cardinal Pitchers:

When you get ahead in the count 0-2, would you please refrain from wasting a pitch out of the zone? Batters don't want that pitch, and they don't swing at it. Please stop this practice. Stop it now. When you are 0-2, please throw your out pitch. It really helps keep your pitch count lower. The batter will also respect and fear you more if he knows you will come right at him.

Sincerely,
A concerned fan

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions

huh?

That's not unusual practice at all. Most pitchers in baseball pitch out of the zone on 0-2. You're supposed throw it in the dirt, outside corner, or whatever will suffice. Typically, most "out pitches" are out of the zone.

The only problem is that most of our pitchers are 1) Not strikeout pitchers, so they don't have much of an out pitch or 2) Just not that good.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't mean to go for the strikeout

necessarily, just to get your out......be it on the ground, in the air, or as a stikeout. They start nibbling, then all of a sudden you no longer have a pitchers count...then you end up serving a meatball, and only bad things happen....

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

that's the problem -- our starters just aren't that good. Good pitchers can waste a pitch on 0-2 and won't find themselves having to throw meat.

There's no reason to try and pitch to contact on an 0-2 count.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Nibbling is generous

Molina usually just about calls for a pitchout on 0-2.

I understand a chase pitch...but it's never a good idea to miss the strike zone by 2-3 feet.

by whopperman on Jul 28, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Down hill fast

From 104 wins, to 100, to 83, to 70.

Next year may be worse.

Best hope is that in the winter of 2008, we get rid of some of the bad Cards and the bad President, and get some new blood for 2009.

by Keep your hands off on Jul 28, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions

why

wait until winter? We could start doing that right now.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Won't be done...

with the 3 stooges at the helm.

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I still

am not convinced Walt needs to leave. The problem is that a lot of his decisions are influenced by TLR and Dunc.

But yeah, that's kinda what I meant. Why wait to get rid of TLR? I used to love the guy, but I can't help but thinking that we could still be in this, let alone be putting up a fight, if he wasn't managing the team.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

The way it's going

Our starters are going to break some sort of record of most runs given up in a season. At least a Cardinals record.

Not even the likes of Donnie Osbourne, Jose Deleon, Ken Hill, Danny Jackson & Allen Watson were this bad.

by KYCards on Jul 28, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

Hmmmm

Wonder if those guys have any innings left in thier arms.

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Again, Larussa

matchups be damned. You get into a situation in the lineup that a pitcher faces:

Molina
Miles
Thompson
Eckstein
Taguchi

That is like giving him 2 innings of soft-toss.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions

You know...

Sometimes it's hard to fathom why we can't score rums sometimes....

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Sometimes...

Figured I'd throw another one in there. Watching this team is turning my brain to mush.

Pitch to swing and misses...not contact. I've never heard of a "seeing eye K"

by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 28, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Yayy!!

A run!

I should have predicted the 3 inning score, rather than for the whole game.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply actions

Albert Pujols

You have to love that after making his 'I'm taking Monday off' comment, the big guy has gone what 1 for 20 in the biggest series of the week?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions

Can Scott Rolen get mad at someone not named

Tony?

Gets hit last time, how about a 3-run dinger to get this team back in it?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

Nope

I hate Craig Counsell.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

this is really, really frustrating

I can't believe that, down by 6 in the 3rd, we sacrifice bunted.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

Thompson is at 93 pitches

why is he still in there? We can't afford to give up anymore runs.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions

Now he just threw one behind Braun

GET HIM OUT OF THERE TONY, YOU SENILE FOOL.

Ok, that was harsh. I just wish someone would nudge him and wake him up.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

This week

feels like we're witnessing the downfall of TLR more than ever.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

In light of Thompson falling apart

this inning, not pinch-hitting for him last inning looks awesome!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Cause

if you use up your bullpen here, next Wednesday's game could be really tough to try and win.

Boy, you sure don't seem to understand baseball very well.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Faulkenborg?

I love how Tony just waives the white flag.

Hey, don't worry, we will have Franklin, Springer, Izzy, Percival and Flores all WELL rested for tonight's game when Anthony gives up 5 in the 2nd inning!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

and

with one batter his era goes from 8.31 to 7.71 ERA. I guess if there's anything we can accomplish today, it's to get Brian a respectable ERA.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Walks Hall

so when Jenkins hits a double into the RF corner, he'll get a run charged against him.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

7.20!

Falkenborg marches on!

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Holy Shnikey

The Falkener gets out of it!

Now we'll get 'em with the teeth of this lineup, Ludwick, Molina and Miles!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

and with

a 6.75 ERA to boot.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Is the Falkener a good hitter

cause he better be for Tony NOT to PH for him with a runner on.

I'm tired of just giving up outs when were are down by 4.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

The expression

you are searching for is 'no'. No he is not.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

at least

he pitched a stunningly beautiful 5th inning.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

According to Rooney

it was 'scary'.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions

4.91 ERA now

for falkenborg.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

mission:

success.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Brewers are just waiting to get 2-outs

this inning before hitting the 3-run HR.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

duncan

i still will never understand the lefty/lefty matchup. why take your second-best hitter out of the lineup? how many times was jackson, musial, bonds, or griffey jr. (during their prime) taken out of a game completely just becuase the other pitcher happened to be left handed? that crap pisses me off to no end.

by tainter on Jul 28, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions

Exactly

And why bench him against a guy making his major league debut??

When Tony was in Oakland did he bench guys like Cansaco, McGwire, Dave Henderson, Ricky Henderson, Dave Parker, Lansford, ect. against different pitchers?
I don't remember Tony being that anal back then with the matchups.

Tony is just "out there" now.

by KYCards on Jul 28, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Surely you're not suggesting

that Chris Duncan is in the same neighborhood as Jackson, Musial, Bonds or Griffey?

In principle, I agree with you but it is OK for Duncan to get a day off once in a while and it probably makes sense for that to happen w/ a lefty on the mound.

Duncan's a good hitter but I'd be willing to bet that Adam Dunn gets his days off vs. lefties and so does Carlos Delgado.

by chuckb on Jul 28, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

They both get about 160+ ABs vs LHP

Duncan has 65 right now with 62 games left this year. We won't face lefties in all those games.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

no way

am i comparing duncan to those guys, just using them as example left-handed batters. i don't know the lineup for tonight's game, or duncan's stats against capuano, but if he sits tonight tlr is a dipsh*t ino.

by tainter on Jul 28, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I have said before, as long as he takes good

at bats, leave him in there. Leave him there unless he proves he can't hit lefties. If he proves he can, it's a plus to the club because you can use your bench to plug other spots. By all means if a particular lefty gives him trouble, let that be a scheduled rest day.
The Royals used that approach with Alex Gordon-he wasn't hitting any kind of pitchers, but they felt he was still taking good at bats, so the left him in. He went like 0-April and 0-May and he did start hitting. Now he's at .245 and well on his way to being the player they thought he was. Patience is a virtue...especially with young talent that can learn no other way except on the job......

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Go Falk yourself.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions

STOP WALKING PEOPLE

please? Just throw strikes.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions

Let me get this straight

we send down Cate and call up Jimenez then send down Ryan and call up Keisler. Then we send down Jimenez and call up Falkenborg. We will next send down Keisler (after throwing a couple of innings last night) to call up Reyes who will then be sent down so that Spiezio can come off the DL.

Do I have that right?

Is there any logical explanation for this whatsoever? We couldn't have just kept Cate on the roster -- he had 1 bad game but find a reliever on that list who hasn't.

by chuckb on Jul 28, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions

frequent flyer miles?

by ncgostl on Jul 28, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Today and last night

do you think these guys were going back and forth from Memphis, or Jiminez is still in St. Louis. Was Falkenborg in Memphis last night or what?

With all these moves, I wonder who has been where in the last 24 hours.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I think

I've figured out what's going on with TLR and his handling of the bullpen. He's been reading the message boards, (such as this one) and he's trying to do what we ask him to do. He thinks that his recent use of the relief corps is what we meant when we say the team needs to play for the future.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions

omfg

falkenborg threw first pitch strikes to 3 batters in a row (though the first one to hart was called a ball).

And they go down 1-2-3. Hmmm....

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions

Please tell me Taguchi saw 1 pitch

against a kid who starts everyone off with 2 balls on the count.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions

nice at bat, so

good thing duncan wasn't batting there, or that pitch would have hit him.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions

How about a clutch HR, Juan?

Raise that trade value.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions

Trade?

What's that?

by whopperman on Jul 28, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Yay Juan!

You make me happy.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Honestly though

I don't get why he isn't being saught after more. Why would teams rather have players like Scott Hairston?

Juan is consistently what he is, having a solid season so far, and isn't horribly expensive. It just seems like he could be a good fit with a lot of ballclubs, yet there are absolutely no rumors surrounding him.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

yay 6-3

If Falker keeps 'em in check, we got this one

by Petkovsek on Jul 28, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions

So Taguchi better not get another AB in this

game. Edmonds or Duncan better get his following ABs.

Heck, Duncan better hit for Ludwick next inning. Ludwick is 0 for 2 yet AGAIN against a LHP.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions

parra at 79 pitches

could have been 90+ if we hasn't had two guys pop up swinging at pitches WAY out of the zone that inning...

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Ludwick swings at 1st pitch

we HAVE to make this Parra's last inning. Instead, we are swinging at everything thrown up there.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

oh wow

skip took a pitch...

I'm actually kind of surprised TLR didn't use a righty like wainwright or wells to pinch hit here.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

That.

Was. Awesome.

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions

In the 3rd inning vs Parra

why did we not brush the kid off the plate. After that second 0-2 foul ball, why didn't we buzz him 'in' to get him off the plate. He is a rookie making his first MLB start, why not get him off the plate and then throw a sinker away.

Instead, according to Gameday, Thompson just kept throwing it down the middle.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions

By the by,

I like your new signature, Hardcore.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

Any kid that has pinpoint control and throws strike should be given the chance to pitch for this team, especially since we can't get anyone out there to do just that.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Ludwick 0-3

Thank God that we don't have to watch Duncan in there today, dragging down the offense against a lefty.

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions

How about some Skippy magic?

With Slappy McSlapSlap at 3rd?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

Tony getting ejected!

Finally.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions

Good to see

Couldn't be happier

by Hammondsbird on Jul 28, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

And

suddenly we start noticing remarkable management decisions now that he's gone. . .

It'll happen, just wait.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

what was he arguing?

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Skip better RIP a HR now

after Tony gets run.

I hope Duncan puts his son in now.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions

Crap

nevermind.

Could we maybe have tried to bunt in that situation towards Skillethands Braun?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Finally!

Let's see some anger, Tony! Kick him in the balls! The balls, I say!

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions

I'm enjoying

Horton's criticism of Gibson (the ump).

Were fans shouting, "Tony! Tony! Tony!"?

by Don Zero on Jul 28, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions

Has anyone

Else heard that Tyler Henley signed? 190,000, which is well above slot

by Hammondsbird on Jul 28, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

I Saw

a little bit on it over at Erik and Azru's site, but I hadn't seen it confirmed anywhere yet. If it's true, that makes me very happy.

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I saw that too

I just came across an academic site for the owls with some info.

http://blogs.chron.com/owls/2007/07/cdc_speaks.html

Take it for what it's worth

by Hammondsbird on Jul 28, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Well Now

that certainly does sound promising.

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions

What led to the ejection?

Since FSN South decided not to pick this game up...

by whopperman on Jul 28, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

In the 7th

it better be:
Eckstein
Edmonds
Pujols
Juan
Rolen
Duncan

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

Wow.

Nice inning, Percy.

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

I'll take a HR now, please

Albert.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions

Yuck

Come on, now.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions

or a single

or a walk... anything but a popup to the f*ing shortstop.

Nice job, again, juan enc.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I hate you Juan

but you are SOOOO damn clutch!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions

You may hate him now,

but you're gonna love him in an instant.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

That my friend...

may be the funniest thing I read this weekend.

Great game instant breakfast!!!

by cardzfanbub on Jul 28, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

For the Juan haters...

...that's THREE two-out RBI singles today.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

harcord legend

u beat me to it

PERFECT TIME TO TRADE HIM :)?

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

The lefty is gone

get him Scott!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

Bring me CHRIS DUNCAN

Bring the pain!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Ency's trade value...

has gotta be looking pretty good right now. He's almost hitting .300.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions

better be chris here

duncan

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions

Well, they are not quite dead yet.......everyone

wants Juan gone, but he has 3 RBI's today. Lets keep him at least for the weekend.

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions

Anyone else think that was a HR?

Off the bat, it looked like he got all of it.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions

that move was like the all-star game

why no chris duncan??

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions

They had a lefty in the pen

so maybe Dave Duncan was afraid they'd bring in the lefty for Chris.

Unfortunately for us, we screwed the pouch. They have ONLY ONE LOOGY in the pen, and if they had used him there, they couldn't use him later for Duncan and Edmonds both.

Shame on whoever is coaching right now, you outsmarted yourself.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

people seem to be forgetting...

...that if juan goes, someone else will have to step in and fill that .280 / 15-20 HR / 75-90 RBI type void. not a gaping void, but he's been the second most productive outfielder these past two years. it's not his salary, but those of rolen and edmonds (for example) that's dragging the team down.

some people want to pencil in ludwick to fill that void, but there's certainly no guarantee that he would, and he's only signed to a 1-year deal anyhow. if he did show evidence of being able to sustain those numbers, his price would go up anyhow. and he's a whopping 2 years younger than juan, i believe.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions

ludwick

is more of a .250BA / 30-35 HR / .300 OBP w/.500 SLG kind of guy, with improved defense. It's really a wash, except that ludwick doesn't cost 6.5M.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

except he's never come close to putting up...

...numbers like that for an entire season. that's what i mean about penciling him in -- people can speculate about what he might do, but he's not putting up those type of numbers now. his career ops is .730, he's been prone to injury, and he's 29 -- he is NOT a "prospect" at this point. people can speculate all they want about getting rid of juan and filling his spot, but the difference is that you really do know what you're getting with him, and you really don't with most of these others. it's not juan's salary (or performance) that's the problem with this team. not even close.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Alright.

So what would you like to see this team do?

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

you're right

the problem is not juan, the problem is starting pitching. but if we don't pick up izzy's option and trade juan, we'll have ~$15M to spend on a good starting pitcher or two in the off-season. That's really the only reason to move him, besides a desire to see how Ankiel/Ludwick/Mather etc do in RF.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

right...

...but mather is hitting .213 at memphis and ludwick's on a one-year contract. ankiel -- yes, it will be good to see him play some. if they trade juan, they trade him. i'm not totally against it. but i certainly think he shouldn't be scapegoated the way he often is. i think trading percival makes sense (not that he'd bring a ton in return), and offering miles' spot to ryan next year makes sense as well.

if izzy can be even close to what's he been this year next year, that $8 million wouldn't be poorly spent.

as much as i like eckstein, i could see him being traded this year as well (again, it won't bring much in return, but it could give ryan more playing time). they're in a tough spot.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions

just one more thing to add

now that Famous Warrior won the game for us. You say he's been injury prone, but the kinds of injuries he has had have all been freak injuries, and it's because of them more than anything that he's never had a full season to put up numbers. He was hit on the hand by a pitch, breaking his arm, and he had a fat first baseman fall on him on a bad throw on a pickoff attempt, breaking his leg. You make it sound like he is JD Drew, but he's much more comperable to scott rolen or chase utley.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

i'm not anti-ludwick by any means...

...i just think we need to be careful before penciling in a player for 30 HR and an .850 OPS when he's never approached that before. it's POSSIBLE, and i'd love to see it ... but even so, he's not at the point in his career when we could keep around for league-minimum pay even if he did.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

If Molina reaches

we need to use one of our power lefty bats.

Unfortunately, we can't because we are backed into a corner with only Kennedy on the bench. If you use Edmonds/Duncan for Miles, then you will have another lefty in Kennedy bat next. Then Eckstein. You can't be without another MIF.

It was incredibly stupid NOT to use Edmonds or Duncan last inning.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions

Miles better take a strike

and then bunt to 3rd.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Unbelievable

That was so incredibly stupid.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Seriously.

If we could just manage to get a damn lead to the damn bullpen, this team would be unbeatable.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions

faukkk

its going to be pujols heroics then

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

well that was a wasted inning.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

Game over

Cordero will make Eckstein and Duncan (or hell, might as well use Taguchi) look silly in the 9th and Pujols will bat with no one on and 2 outs.

I can't believe with Yadier Molina at 1st base they allowed Slappy McSlapSlap to swing the bat. Move Molina over and keep the line moving. I'd rather Eckstein be up with 2 outs now and Molina at 2nd right now than be out of the inning.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions

that DP hurt...

...but you can't sacrifice down 2 in the 8th with only one on. down 1, yes. down 2 ... no.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish we could trade Izzy and Springer :(

Two great trade chips, and they are just going to rot in our cupboards.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions

Orlando Hudson announcing the DBacks roster...

on Fox was pretty funny.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions

Hudson is always

entertaining, mostly because he always talks about watching th lifetime Channel.

by Hammondsbird on Jul 28, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

ADAM KENNEDY BATTING FOR ECKSTEIN

SERIOUSLY!

by Petkovsek on Jul 28, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions

pretty sure

TLR is still making the calls in this game via cell phone. That or they have a random number generator hooked up telling them what to do...

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Potayto, potahto

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Tony and his matchups..

He doesn't play THE #'s, he plays what he thinks they may be. Check out this post I made yesterday and compare Lud's #'s vs. CDunc's against LH pitchers. I'll never again understand TlR and his thinking... But on a positive note, he sure looked like a genius w/ the bullpen last october, which i'll never forget..

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO OBP SLG OPS AVG
Dunc 65 7 16 5 0 1 12 24 7 24 0.324 0.369 0.693 0.246

Lud
vs LH 69 6 13 6 0 1 6 22 4 17 0.233 0.319 0.552 0.188

by toris34 on Jul 28, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions

pujols please homer here, please please

please please

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions

3 balls in the dirt??

in a row??????cordero is a scared biatch

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

Juan

if there's ever a time to raise your trade value, it's RIGHT NOW.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions

ok il take that

if juan hits, dont trade him, if he doesnt send him away!

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions

if he hits a dp

dfa him

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions

i hope you're kidding...

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Where's

Spiezio when you need him?

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by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions

growing his red patch

i bet

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions

Balk

Anyone watching notice? The mlb broadcast said that Pu started complaining about a balk right before Enc grounded to 3rd

by toris34 on Jul 28, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions

Oh Yeah!

The Cortisone Kid comes through!

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

Tie game?

Who'da thunk it?

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Jul 28, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

hell yes...

the season may be lost, but that was a great comeback by a team that had no business coming back, especially the way they've been beaten down lately.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

think any of it had to do with

TLR finally getting himself thrown out of a game?

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think

it's a coincidence.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

omfg

scotty, I think I love you again.

C'mon ryan, don't be 0-5...

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

that's my boy

getting kinda lonely here, defending you and all... thanks for coming through.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

SCOTTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Petkovsek on Jul 28, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

My goodness....

...we tied it up!

by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 28, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

Has anyone developed a stat

that gives credit to hitters for blowing saves?

by Don Zero on Jul 28, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions

Are you effing kidding me?!

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions

Cards win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions

wow

wow. what a game.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions

LUDWICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AWESOME WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Petkovsek on Jul 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions

That's a Winner?

Huh?

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Jul 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions

wow

I hate to say it, but I had a feeling this game would turn around once TLR was ejected.

also, Ludwick is officially our king of late inning heroics for the year.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

Amen!!! Eject TLR ---that's the winning formula

by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 28, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Holy Shit!!!

The season may still be a loss, but damnit I love that!

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

thats why were not managers

ludwick won it......anyways thats a nice wiN!lets take the other 2 also.

pujols made it all come through tho :)

by samael88 on Jul 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

Tony is like a broken clock...

Ludwick hits right handed pitchers very well. He doesn't hit left handed ones. So it's not surprising that he got a hit against Cordero, who is right handed. It's also not surprising that Ludwick struggled vs. the starting pitcher, who is left handed.

That doesn't mean Tony was right letting him start. He was right leaving him in, but that probably only happened because he already used Duncan.

by DiscoJer on Jul 28, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Tony

wasn't even in the game at that point . . .

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions

He was still managing, though...

It's no secret that managers still manage when they get tossed out.

by DiscoJer on Jul 28, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions

props to falkenborg

he got out of that bases loaded, no-out jam in the 4th when it looked like we were on our way to another double-digit loss. percival and springer were excellent too. and it's so nice to see rolen come through like that for a change.

by willievinceterry on Jul 28, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions

Wow, that was nice

Cordero is just terrible on the road. The real key goes to the releivers (falkenborg, percival, springer) for putting up zeros on the board to give the birds a chance to let that 9th inning happen.

Just when you think they give up, they give you a game like that. They keep pulling me back in :)

by cloistermaximus on Jul 28, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions

The team needs to come out big next game...

put up like 4 runs in the 1st, get ole Tony Reyes his first win.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Jul 28, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

Because we do not want ESPN to

report anything but ....he finally won his first game. It'd be a nice present for him to take back to Memphis--where, ironically he has 1-1 record and a string of no decisions.......just on a human level you hate to see that go on--ARey put up some zeros, and to the rest of the players DO NOT LET HIM LOSE!

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Per D-Rays Bay

Looks like Cantu was traded to the Reds.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 28, 2007 5:05 PM EDT reply actions

Huh.

That's weird. I wonder what the Reds are planning on doing with him?

Boy, that Krivsky sure is a smart guy.

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

by the red baron on Jul 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Proabably flip him to some body else for

relief pitching. He always makes trades for relievers that never work out.

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions

someone tel lhim

Jimenez is available.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jul 28, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

This is exactly what they need to do...

just play a hard nine....it is not impossible to come back from a deficit. Sometimes you have to just buck up and suck up and just do it! Thank you for sparing Thompson the loss. Now all the players need to do the same thing tonight--vow that you are not going to let your young pitcher lose this game no matter what. You proved you can do it--so just go out and do it again!

by jillsinmo on Jul 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions