hu we should trade for
long, long drove east in i-70 yesterday. the game fell apart just before i even got into ktrs' signal range (i heard the action on an affiliate). when i got to my folks' house and turned on the set, there was jocketty explaining that isringhausen isn't a likely candidate to be moved. paraphrasing him: "jason likes it here, and he has a full no-trade; he doesn't want to leave. and in any case, there isn't anyone available on the trade market who we find attractive. as we get closer to the deadline, maybe that will change; teams might make some talent available a few days from now that isn't available now."
that might just be walt blowin smoke; let's all hope it is. there is no reason to keep playing for this season, and with carpenter gone for most of 2007 it's more urgent than ever to make a move if the team wants to have a chance to compete in 2008. isringhausen is their only tradeable player who might fetch some impact talent in return; we got an approximation of his worth via yesterday's trade of scott linebrink from san diego to milwaukee for 3 minor leaguers. linebrink is not a closer and isn't under club control next season, which makes him less valuable than izzy; yet he fetched a good prospect, wil inman, who looks to be roughly analogous to cardinal farmhand tyler herron --- a high-round draft pick who dominated the low minors. he's still young and still a few years away, but the potential appears to be there for this kid to be very good. probably won't happen any time soon, though; he only got moved to double A last month and hasn't adjusted well --- 5.45 era in 8 starts, 7 homers in 39.2 innings. his ETA is probably 2009 at the earliest. one of the two other players in the deal, joe thatcher, is mildly intriguing --- a 25-year-old independent-league refugee with some gaudy minor-league stats this season. think josh kinney.
if the cardinals were to put izzy on the market, i'd like to see them pursue a player like the dodgers' chin-lung hu, who per a recent ken rosenthal column might be made available in the dodgers' attempt to land octavio dotel. this guy is a superior gloveman, a shortstop, with some speed and a decent batting eye; he is 23 years old and close to major-league ready. he didn't make Baseball America's list of la's top 10 prospects, but john sickels rated hu #5 in the system with this comment: "awesome defensive player with a bat that could develop further." it has developed this year, although it should be noted that those figures are ballpark-aided; he's batting .529 at home for las vegas (one of the hitter-friendliest parks in triple A) but .188 on the road; in double A he posted a .952 ops in his cozy home ballpark (jacksonville), .845 on the road. nonetheless, this is a guy who has the potential to solve the cardinals' shortstop problem through 2013 or so; his name has been mentioned here at VEB before by an astute reader.
if linebrink's worth inman and a couple of throw-ins, then surely izzy is worth hu + 2.
another team that's probably in the market for a big-time reliever is detroit. my SB Nation brother blogger ian casselberry at Bless You Boys is all over this; here he ponders the value of kyle farnsworth, and in another post he suggests zumaya and rodney may not be pitching at 100 percent. how funny would it be if the cardinals dealt troy percival back to them? . . . .
one last note about the trade market: the cardinals might balk at trading russ springer for the sake of the pitcher's autistic son. if springer isn't moved and that's the reason, more power to the cardinals.
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i see that my cameo in the Riverfront Times has been discovered. i just read the article and am not entirely comfortable with how it reads; let me clarify a couple of points. first, the writer took a bit of license in stating that "Borowsky cites several instances in which the Cardinals might have benefited from his observations." that's not how the conversation went; i was asked about some of the number-crunching we've done here at VEB, particularly with respect to reyes, and asked if what happened in seattle (where felix hernandez adjusted his pitch selection because of a post at the blog USS Mariner) could ever happen here. i said i would like to think so. that's a far cry from saying, in essence, that if the cardinals would be better off if they listened to me; i'm not that cocky. my statement at the end of the RFT piece is far more reflective of how i really feel:here's the other point: the question isn't really whether the cardinals might learn a thing or two by listening to me; the question is whether they could learn by listening to us. i'm just one fan; i bring my knowledge and my opinions to the table, and so does everybody else, and we hash it out together at this blog in the comment threads and the diaries. the same thing happens at the many other cardinal blogs and chat sites, and on the better talk radio shows. sometimes we fumble toward a rough consensus, and sometimes there are sharp divisions. but if the cardinals (or any other organization) are going to derive any value from fan insight, it's going to be by paying attention to the discussions we have --- the collective wisdom, not just one person's opinion --- and by using the data we gather and present, as a group, during the course of our discussions. the reyes project is a perfect case in point. when i wrote about reyes' pitch selection with men on base and his good results on pitches up in the zone, the data i relied upon was collected by a member of the community --- Solanus, one of five volunteers who have been charting pitches all season.
i talked about some of the other good cardinal blogs and discussion sites with the RFT reporter, but that material didn't get into the article, probably because of space constraints. the article leaves the impression that it's all about me, or all about VEB, and i couldn't disagree more strongly with that. it's about the whole fan base. that didn't come across in the RFT piece, and i wish it had.
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That's pretty cool about the USS Mariner...
Can you imagine what LaDunca would do if some "blog writer" had the gall to give him pitching/managing advice? He'd likely throw glass of merlot in your face.
by TriplePlay on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LBoros
by UNCDubya on Jul 26, 2007 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think TLR knows blogs exist?
by sdrone on Jul 26, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
When LaRussa started he was the rebel, brining detailed charting and other statistics into the dugout and into the game.
But now more than 25 years later, LaRussa is no longer the rebel and in some ways that is a shame. With all of the new statistics and the myriad of new possibilities out there for approaching and analyzing the game, I often wonder what a 34 year old first time MLB manager (as was the case for LaRussa in 1979) would do with all that has happened in the past decade. What ideas would the rebel embrace? How could/ would it change the game?
by JMedwick on Jul 26, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, but would a ML manager
by sdrone on Jul 26, 2007 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RFT article
As I read that article yesterday, I thought, "I know that's not what Larry said. I'm sure he talked about the community more than he talked about himself, and I'm sure there was a lot more hedging than comes across here."
Glad to hear I was right--you'd have a certain right to be that cocky if you wanted, but it sure didn't sound like you.
I've been mostly absent from game threads this season because I've been busy, but VEB is still the first place I go in the morning, and having it has helped mitigate the frustrations of this season. Keep up the great work.
by levistahl on Jul 26, 2007 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
So what does this mean? Well as Larry started to discuss above, who should be trade and who should be trade for. While names like Edmonds and Rolen are bound to come up, their contracts are almost untradeable. Moreover, moving either now would be selling at their lowest point. Makes no sense to move them.
As for the rest of the team, well there are the ususal names:
Izzy
Juan E.
Springer
Franklin
Reyes
Eckstine
Of those above, I figure there is a market for the middle-relievers, Izzy, Reyes, and Eck. I figure we will be keeping Juan E unless we are making a package deal.
The idea of moving Izzy to the Dodgers or Indians is a particularly attractive one.
Not sure who would be interested in Eck, maybe the Red Soxs?
As for Reyes, has anyone thought about trading him straight up for someone like... Elijah Dukes?
A late 2008 outfield of Dukes, Ankiel, and Duncan wouldn't be too bad.
by JMedwick on Jul 26, 2007 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope we don't trade Reyes,
by outraged on Jul 26, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dukes - no way
by TurdFerguson on Jul 26, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we stop with
by DJ4508 on Jul 26, 2007 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that was a personal attack
by gonzostl on Jul 26, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Oh - and his run-ins continue. Check this out.
by silent_bob on Jul 26, 2007 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades
by briferg07 on Jul 26, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish...
by Irishman on Jul 26, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm.....no
by jillsinmo on Jul 26, 2007 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could always give them
by SleepyCA on Jul 26, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One minor league question
Here is the question: what other positions has the team considered for Anderson? With the seemingly constant void at 2nd, would the cards consider moving him there? What about 3rd?
by JMedwick on Jul 26, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From lboros' interview with Luhnow:
Bryan is a catcher, and that is where we want him to stay. He is a left-handed hitter with gap and over-the-fence power. There is no reason to move him, as he is playing a premium position, one that is harder to find than any other position --- especially with a bat."
by outraged on Jul 26, 2007 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by JMedwick on Jul 26, 2007 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess would be they move him
by outraged on Jul 26, 2007 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catchers generally don't
Anderson is a legit hitter. An .800 OPS is worth much more than the .630 Molina has generated thus far. He's a replacement level hitter basically.
We're probably going to disagree on the staff handling, but I don't know of any report that says Anderson is bad in this regard. Also, while I don't believe in CERA whatsoever, Molina isn't exactly making a case for himself this year.
If Anderson is ready, and hitting, it's an absolute no-brainer.
by plh903 on Jul 26, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least
Remember that Yadi broke his wrist - again. I still think he has offensive upside. And he's flat-out the best defensive catcher in the game.
I'm fine with him as a "stop gap" until this Anderson stud develops. Why are we even debating this right now with such other pressing issues in the organization?
by silent_bob on Jul 26, 2007 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side Question
I had a question for you. I was wondering at what point they decide to do tommy john surgery. When I pitched in school, my elbow was described as severly strained and my doctor recommended that I shut it down because eventually it would fail and require sugery. I was wonder if there is a rule of thumb for a pitcher about how much of a tear/strain will require sugery?
by BigJawnMize on Jul 26, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the main site...
by cardzfanbub on Jul 26, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paletta's interview
In most cases, TJS is a worst-case scenario. All this crap you hear about the ligament being better than the original is a bunch of bullshit. You cannot replace a ligament with a tendon and expect it to have the same tensile strength and longevity as the original. Most pitchers will have UCL fraying or tearing; its the nature of the beast. The degree of the tearing (over time or acute rupturing) depends on many factors, including heredity, pitching mechanics, history (little league, high school etc), pitch counts...
To answer your question, A ruptured UCL needs Tommy John. A strained/painful medial elbow may or may not be related to a ligament tear/sprain, and surgery is not the treatment of choice - conservative methods are. In Carpenter's (and F. Liriano's) case, his ligament stretched out over time. Look at everything the medical staff tried before finally giving in and performing TJS.
Medial elbow pain is always a bad sign especially in young pitchers. The pitcher should be SHUT DOWN until the pain subsides and he can achieve complete pain relief and also demonstrate full ROM and strength in the elbow and wrist.
by silent_bob on Jul 26, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I happen to think
Sure, Yadi has a golden arm. I know that I may not be in the majority on this, but I think that's worth about ten runs, and that's about all he brings over replacement.
I guess there are more pressing issues, but to me, he's part of the problem. We don't have a 900 run offense that can get away with a black hole like him in the lineup. Same goes for giving a million at-bats to Miles.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that thought we weren't going to get another 2004 performance out of MV3 this year, so the replacement level at-bats are possibly THE problem in my mind. That is, if we are able to talk about the offense separate from the abysmal pitching.
by plh903 on Jul 26, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.......
but good to almost great--think Martin, McCann, Mauer, Posada, heck even LoDuca can handle the bat and is an adequate catcher. Nothing against Yadi, he's the defensive gold standard, but if Bryan Anderson develops well enough in the position, I'd love to see him with the Cards.
by jillsinmo on Jul 26, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly O/T,
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 26, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and no
what he doesn't get is the credit he deserves in relation to the other yankees. people here love him, wear his jersey, whatever, but it's always in the "lovable underdog" sense - he's the down-to-earth guy, not the actual superstar like jeter, giambi, mussina etc. but there have been years where he's been more valuable than jeter, with this year potentially being one of them.
by nycbirdo on Jul 26, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
I'm just lost as to the anti-Yadi sentiment. Sure, his hitting is "part of the problem." But this team is full of OPS sinkholes at positions that are traditional power positions - hence they should be easier to fill via free agency or trading for/drafting talent.
by silent_bob on Jul 26, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why
by whopperman on Jul 26, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what it boils down to...
"But this team is full of OPS sinkholes at positions that are traditional power positions - hence they should be easier to fill via free agency or trading for/drafting talent."
This makes Anderson all the more valuable. Point being, it's hard to find a good hitting catcher. That's why it makes all the sense in the world to hang onto the one we have.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
The mark me down for "don't trade him."
Keep Yadi while he's cheap - let him help groom his replacement, and wish him well in free agency.
by silent_bob on Jul 26, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
It's one thing for established players, or worthwhile gambles, to underperform their expectations and projections. But to knowingly give thousands of at-bats to players like Yadi and Miles, based on some I don't know what, intangibles, is something that could have been stopped from happening.
Molina's the best catcher we have right now. Fine. That's not really my issue here.
by plh903 on Jul 26, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope
Only one direction he can go with the bat.
by whopperman on Jul 26, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Historical Trend
Remember, Molina wasn't a great game-caller when he came up either, but his bat was seen as superior to Matheny's and they knew they could teach him to call a good major league game...
by duncansarmy on Jul 26, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this comparison is the right one
by DCRedbird on Jul 26, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So....
No thanks. I can see him coming up in late'08 and SPLITTING time with Molina, but there is just no benefit to having him be a backup. That would only hinder his development.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll
by Alxfritz on Jul 26, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it might be a smart way for him to learn
by jillsinmo on Jul 26, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson/Molina
If Anderson can handle C defensively, which all signs point to him being able to, why move him to another position where his bat doesn't play nearly as well. Makes no sense.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you've hit on something
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 26, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to hear this
It's clear from other threads that many people buy heavily into the value of a defensive specialist behind the plate, and I don't know how to win that argument. They say a catcher like that "controls the running game" and "calls a good game," I say he burns 3 or 4 of our 27 outs every night.
But we get virtually no offensive production from our middle infield spots, and aren't likely to until we can acquire some talent there. And Molina is one in a line of Cardinals catchers as far back as I can remember with a good glove but a poor bat. So I think Anderson is highly valuable to this organization AS A CATCHER.
by bgodar on Jul 26, 2007 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could make it...
by BigJawnMize on Jul 26, 2007 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he can hit 25-30 hr's a year
by jojo5492 on Jul 26, 2007 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson's swing
by azruavatar on Jul 26, 2007 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair though,
I think Goldstein said lately that he's the type of catcher you see hitting in the two-hole. Not that I agree necessarily on what type of hitter should hit where, but I agree with what he means by that wrt to Anderson.
by plh903 on Jul 26, 2007 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like...
by redrey on Jul 26, 2007 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian McCann
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my ever so humble opinion,
Very exciting player. And, for the record, his defense is much better than a lot of people who throw around the term "offensive catcher" think. Very good arm, good catch and throw skills, just needs to improve on the balls in the dirt. He's nice and mobile, though, so I think that'll come with time.
by the red baron on Jul 26, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry but this is a goofy debate
Give me Anderson over Yadi any day.
by erik on Jul 26, 2007 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said it much
by jojo5492 on Jul 26, 2007 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nail on the head...
He is quite possibly the most overrated player, by the fanbase, that I have seen since starting to follow this club 15 years ago.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did u guys forget about nlcs game 7
by all in the cards on Jul 26, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can love him for that HR
by azruavatar on Jul 26, 2007 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I do....
His career OPS+ is 64. 64!!! The guy can not hit, period.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see also: taguchi, so
by nycbirdo on Jul 26, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course hes a liability
by all in the cards on Jul 26, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hu...
Should we acquire him, I feel we make Scotty legally change his last name to, "I don't know."
by Brock20 on Jul 26, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or at least
by Cardinal70 on Jul 26, 2007 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
by Cardinal70 on Jul 26, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hu looked good in the one game I saw
by BozCardsFanSF on Jul 26, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your daily Mark Mulder tease
Mark Mulder is scheduled to throw another 80-pitch session Friday and then probably return to Florida where, as early as next week, he could throw to batters. That would be the final step before he begins a rehab assignment.
Tony also said they could get cutesy with the roster moves on Saturday for bullpen help. No offense, Tony but your use of the bullpen up until this point (throwing certain guys 2 innings), including using Kelvin freaking Jiminez should allow you to not worry about a burnt out bullpen. It's been clear from Tuesday's game that you were more worried about the games this weekend than the ones that sit before you.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 26, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
I still think the more reasonable play is to go for Asdrubal Cabrera from the Indians or Ben Zobrist from the Rays. The Indians could definitely use a bullpen arm (and have Peralta signed at short), and Zobrist could probably be had for cheap.
by sdangler on Jul 26, 2007 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The real question about Hu
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 26, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I disagree with your original point as well. If Saito can't come back, then they would be all over Izzy. In fact, Hu probably isn't enough on their end to get the deal done.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zobrist....
Zobrist is expendable.
by Brock20 on Jul 26, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh yes...
My bad.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else realize that Brendan Ryan
At some point, the bubble may burst but let us give the kid a chance to play.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 26, 2007 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's also got 2 hits in
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 26, 2007 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's about due then...
by TriplePlay on Jul 26, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given how excretable Miles has been
Aaron Miles needs to be sent to AAA.
by azruavatar on Jul 26, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
by aet15 on Jul 26, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Major League but...
by StLHugo on Jul 26, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
by mikedallas23 on Jul 26, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Basically, when it comes to it, I'd rather have Ryan-Kennedy-Eckstein than Ryan-Kennedy-Miles.
by aet15 on Jul 26, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
by the red baron on Jul 26, 2007 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one will trade for Miles
by azruavatar on Jul 26, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To elaborate on his defense
by azruavatar on Jul 26, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I was more regarding to either a) a package deal or b) a contender that absolutely needs a utility player for very little cost.
I realize we would not receive much in return, but at the very least, we could get something, and at 31, we have no need for him in our minors when we know that he's already peaked in potential.
It may be tough to find a suitor, but you can't tell me that you haven't seen crazier trades before.
I do agree, though, that if it comes down to sending down Ryan or Miles (if a trade does not work out), that Ryan deserves to be the one to stay on the team.
by aet15 on Jul 26, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is
Aaron Miles isn't a utility player. He's bad defensively and he can't hit. He lacks even one average tool. At least Neifi Perez could field the ball.
You show me a team that has a worse utility infielder they could replace and I'll show you a) a player in their AAA who is better than Miles or b) a reason why that team's management is obsessed with intangibles or some other garbage reason for keeping that player.
by azruavatar on Jul 26, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're ruling out that
by aet15 on Jul 26, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
If you recall, Bigbie was the "centerpiece" in that trade (which was really more about getting Ray King the hell off the team after he bad mouthed it) and Miles was a random after thought.
GMs may make some silly trades but show me a trade where a below replacement level (not just average, he's worse than replacement level) offensive and defensive middle infielder has been moved at the deadline in the last 10 years.
by azruavatar on Jul 26, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know if its the socks
by all in the cards on Jul 26, 2007 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they actually made a big deal out of it
by SleepyCA on Jul 26, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the high socks.......
by jillsinmo on Jul 26, 2007 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan..
I say move Eck to some contending team, and let Ryan play EVERYDAY for the rest of the season. At the very least, he saves you some money by replacing Miles as the backup MI. He's also a much better player.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don't you think he can be a ML regular?
by TriplePlay on Jul 26, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For starters...
I just question his bat holding up, and yes...it's quite possible I'm wrong. He has definitely earned the shot to prove it one way or the other though.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope....
Go cards
by cardsphan04 on Jul 26, 2007 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personal Attacks?
I do not want someone on the team that we are worrying about off the field. Josh Hamilton was a different story. He made some substance abuse problems as a young kid and learned from them. The Dukes situation (and Chris Henry, Pacman, Olsen, take your pick) is different b/c it involved repetitive incidents and violence towards others.
Just my 2 pennies.
by toris34 on Jul 26, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would not want to take a chance on him
by jillsinmo on Jul 26, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true cards fan
by stlknows on Jul 26, 2007 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, who was at the game last night?
by jillsinmo on Jul 26, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not much really
by StLHugo on Jul 26, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright
It also could have just been some bad luck, but it just looked a little odd to me. At the very least, the Cubs didn't look like they were out if front of any of his offspeed stuff, which often says, to me at least, that they have a pretty good idea it's coming.
by the red baron on Jul 26, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Cards study film of upcoming teams,
by jillsinmo on Jul 26, 2007 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next time through the order
by jimstllax on Jul 26, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yadi put the curveball away for a rainy day
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 26, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chin Lung Hu
Hu is the sort of player I think the Cardinals need to focus all of their resources on acquiring at the moment. Please, please, please, guys, just admit that this year is a wash. It happens. Get over it, and focus on making sure we don't have to watch this kind of baseball for very long.
Hu at short, Rolen at third, Ryan at second, and Albert at first next season would be, probably, the best defensive infield in all of baseball. Excellent call, Larry.
by the red baron on Jul 26, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
(deflating trombone sound effect)
by the red baron on Jul 26, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice dream...
Look at everything Chris Duncan has done, and somehow it's still not good enough for Tony to play him every day.
by DiscoJer on Jul 26, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jarrett Hoffpauir
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6500
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9. Jarrett Hoffpauir, Cardinals
Age: 24.1
Hitting: .345/.420/.527 at Double-A (61 G); .333/.420/.533 at Triple-A (18 G)
This is the biggest breakout of the bunch. Hoffpauir was a sixth-round pick in 2004, and he always put up impressive numbers in college, but an Eckstein-esque frame and lack of tools prevented him from being seen as an elite pick. His numbers this year are nothing short of fantastic, and all of the peripherals indicate that it just might be for real, including more walks (35) than strikeouts (25) in 263 at-bats. Scouts are impressed with Hoffpauir's feel for contact, but he's not just a slap hitter, as he can punish mistakes by driving them into the gaps. Defensively, he's made just five errors on the season, though his first step is a little slow, and he's not especially rangy. If the Cardinals go into a full rebuilding mode, the player who was on the verge of oblivion going into the year is suddenly looking like he just might get a chance.
by mikedallas23 on Jul 26, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If only...
Imagine if we could get all of these contracts off the books...Izzy, Juan, Eck, Kennedy, Jimmy.
That is some major cash...enough for a legit hitter and starting pitcher.
We could be major players in the FA market and still "rebuild on the fly".
Ahhh..to dream...
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
imagine carp and scotty too
by nycbirdo on Jul 26, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was just gonna post that
i also emailed will carroll re: his george paletta comment.
by nycbirdo on Jul 26, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be interested to see
by silent_bob on Jul 26, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoff's range
by Hammondsbird on Jul 26, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by bobbyballgame1 on Jul 26, 2007 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Brewers cheating at home?
The Cardinals really blew a golden chance this week. The Reds take 3 of 4 from the BrewCrew and the Cardinals can't beat the Cubs. Instead of being 9 games out, we'd be 7, chance to move to 6 tonight with 4 coming up against them.
Blah.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 26, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hu
http://whiteyball.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/chin-lung-hu-dodgers/
by whiteyball on Jul 26, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs



















