Game 92 Open Thread: July 19, 2007

by lboros on Jul 19, 2007 5:41 PM EDT in St. Louis Cardinals News


maroth	hudson
5-4, 5.06	9-5, 3.35

GAME TIME 6:35 CDT

our friends at Metsblog noted a gross oversight on the part of an organization called the American Mustache Institute: keith hernandez was left off the list of nominees for "greatest sports mustache of all time." the result: a write-in campaign on behalf of mex's 'stache. it's got traction, too; the institute wrote Metsblog back and said the votes are piling up. shades of hernandez's improbable rise to the pros; he was drafted in the 42nd round of the 1971 draft, hence not a real candidate to play big-league ball. he bucked the odds then; he can do it again. c'mon mex.

since enduring a dreadful scoring drought last month --- 1 run, total, in 5 games --- the braves have batted .308 as a team and averaged over 6 runs a game. mystifying, eh? maybe not: the scoring drought came against the #1 and #2 pitching staffs in the american league (boston and detroit); since then most of their games have come against the #9, 10, 12, and 15 staffs in the national league (that'd be florida, pittsburgh, cincinnati, and washington). credit andruw jones, in large part, for the increased scoring output: since june 25 (when the surge began), he has posted a .963 ops. he was at just .682 in the 11 weeks prior to that date. the other jones has been even better: 1.017 ops for chipper since june 25.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions

no keith hernandez?

REEEEE-JECTED!

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Jul 19, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions

I DESPISE Keith Hernandez!

He may have been a Met, but he was also part of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boyfriend%2C_Part_1

Priceless.

by matt reeder on Jul 19, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I prefer to think of him

as a Cardinal. When he comes back to St. Louis for events, he seems to imply that as well.

Says the right things, anyway.

That, and he knows how to get to third base.

by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 19, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions

perhaps...

but the thrid base coach is Not waving him in....

by Timbo02 on Jul 19, 2007 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

He blew off the sign

and is heading home anyway...

by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 19, 2007 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I remember when ...

while living in New York in the late 80's, I was watching a ton of Met games, and Keith SHAVED HIS MOUSTACHE ... he looked so incredibly different, like someone had stolen his identity, or soul.

That experiment didn't last long. He grew it right back.

by Urban Pawnee on Jul 19, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Rolen has scar tissue in his shoulder

can and will play through it. After the season, may have surgery to remove it, may just have them break it up.

Labrum is healty, no damage to it on MRI.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply actions

so....

we can expect pop up's and weak grounders for the rest of the season....great....

by Timbo02 on Jul 19, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Does scar tissue

affect your performance?

Or can it? I guess I'd like SilentBob's opinion on this matter, if he can enlighten the rest of us...

by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 19, 2007 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

The scar tissue has tightened up his shoulder

the injections should 'loosen' it up a bit if I am understanding it right.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Cortisone shots

help to soften scar tissue so that prescribed stretching and exercise can break it down. The success of the shots would depend on where the scar tissue is built up and whether the doctor can direct the cortisone to that particular location very well (info. from my husband who is a general practitioner but not orthopedic speciaist so he might not know about new treatments available).

by nycardfan on Jul 19, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Treatment for 'frozen shoulder'



Treatments of Frozen Shoulder?

Anti-inflammatory drugs and cortisone injections reduce the inflammation of the shoulder allowing the shoulder to be more easily stretched. Physical therapy is essential because it helps regain the range of motion in the shoulder.

...

If treatment is stalled, your doctor may suggest a manipulation of the shoulder while you are under anesthesia. During a manipulation, your doctor reduces or breaks up the scar tissue in the shoulder and stretches the shoulder joint. This procedure can speed up the healing process and may be repeated if necessary. However, there is a small chance the arm bone may break during this procedure. It is very important to properly exercise the shoulder after a manipulation so that mobility is returned.

Arthroscopic surgery may also help break up the scar tissue. This procedure is done on an outpatient basis. A camera is inserted through a small incision allowing the doctor to access the damage to the joint and, at the same time, aid in the healing process.

http://www.dynomed.com/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/shoulder/Frozen_Shoulder_(Adhesive_Capsulitis).html

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Ouch.....

The Catfish Hunter procedure, put a few years on his career...

In ten days we'll find out Alberts played the whole season on two broken legs.

by cardschinmusic on Jul 20, 2007 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Hardcore

did you have any confirmation of Carp getting Tommy John's surgery? Or is that just what you anticipate?

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions

Joe Strauss is about to post an article

that he say basically 'Chris Carpenter won't be pitching this year'. No idea how severe it is yet.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Carp getting Tommy John...

Here's the link from MLB.com:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070719&content_id=2097248&vkey=news_mlb&fext=. jsp&c_id=mlb

by jdubya on Jul 19, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Aaron Miles at 3B?

Tony, why do you do this crap? He doesn't have the arm to pull it off. Give us Brendan Ryan!

D. Eckstein SS
A. Kennedy 2B
A. Pujols 1B
C. Duncan LF
J Edmonds CF
J. Encarnacion RF
A. Miles 3B
G. Bennett C
M. Maroth P

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply actions

J. Edmonds CF

That's a fine sight to see in the lineup.

by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 19, 2007 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm stunned TLR went

with two lefties back to back in the middle of the lineup.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Who says

he's not adaptable??

by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 19, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Nah

He probably just filled out the scorecard wrong again. :D

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Man, I just get that gushy, nostalgic feeling...

Whenever I see Jimmy Baseball in the lineup. I guess that happens when you know a great player is about done. Here's to some life in THAT bat!

by matt reeder on Jul 19, 2007 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe he isn't done

remember, Ken Griffey Jr. has a sudden resurgence once he got past his injuries. So did Frank Thomas.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow! I'm with you.....Aaron Miles really

has no business playing there....not enough range, not enough arm. So Ryan plays well over there yesterday, extremely well, and his reward is to sit. I get in a lot of trouble for always complaining about not playing the youngsters, but look--he's doing it again. Miles at 3rd base? Has he EVER even played there? I'm not knocking him, he'll do his best--I like Aaron Miles--but this is another one of those head scratchers for me.....no way he should be over there

by jillsinmo on Jul 19, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I defend TLR when it comes to the youth

but this move makes no sense.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions

If I'm looking at the stats right

it appears that Hudson's splits are pretty even between lefties and righties. I give up trying to figure out what Tony has against Ryan.

by lefty fan on Jul 19, 2007 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

from ESPN

CF Jim Edmonds walked into La Russa's office Wednesday and handed him a newspaper clip that quoted Edmonds saying the two were ``feuding.'' They exchanged laughs and refuted the article. Edmonds has sat out since June 16 due to back trouble, but said he will be ready ``any day.''

meh.

Anyway I wonder if the reason Ryan isn't starting has something to do with the fact that Ryan was hurt after the play at third with Cabrera? He may be sitting to rest a minor injury.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 19, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

its like with pujols in the ASG

tony's saving ryan for extra innings

by roscoe on Jul 19, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

maroth

thought this guy was billed as an innings guy and the last 2 starts he has gone 5? We have plenty of guys in the minors or on this team that can do that...Hope he gets it figured out...He looked good against the mets, apparently that magic was left in NY?

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by punchinjudy on Jul 19, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions

i think

we should give the guy at least 6 starts before we start giving him too much shit, especially if his first start was pretty dang good.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

So how many posts do you give a

guy before we're allowed to give them shit?

Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa. ~Bob Veale, 1966

by bukowski on Jul 19, 2007 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions

400 posts.

i just think that everyone is so disillusioned with this team right now that any time someone has a sub-par performance we immediately call for him to get DFA'd or traded. I'm pretty sure that, with the news about carp and stuff, no one really believes that we are going to be World Series contenders, or even playoff contenders. (I'm not saying I'm giving up on the team, I love then and want them to win, but I don't expect us to pull out the division. I just try to enjoy what they give me)
That being said, why not throw maroth out there all the time? he can get better, he has had a pretty good history, and he has had a couple good games. Also, I think that, considering he signed a multi-year contract, we should try to support Kennedy. He can only get better, and hopefully his last couple games are an indication of what he can/will do for us.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions

i never

called for him to getdfa'd or traded...i said i thought he was an innings eater.

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by punchinjudy on Jul 19, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

In keeping with

the best tradition of message boards, and to quote the late, great Tony Soprano...

"I'm just breakin' your balls."

I like Maroth. He's adjusting to the NL, and I think he's a good back of the rotation guy.

Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa. ~Bob Veale, 1966

by bukowski on Jul 19, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions

hear hear!

by tomsteele on Jul 19, 2007 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Another "on-paper" bloodbath

Of course, the last two times I thought that were Zito vs. Wellemeyer (SF) and Wells vs. Willis (FLA) and both of those turned out pretty good.

"Tyler's gonna bust a nut on some babies tonight!" - Tyler Johnson (as told by Alex Fritz)

by Mr Redbird on Jul 19, 2007 7:00 PM EDT reply actions

TJ

looking at Gameday, it looks like they kept Schumaker up and sent down Cavazos when they activated Edmonds. That leaves the team with 11 pitchers, which I can't see them sticking with for very long. I wonder if this means that Tyler Johnson's coming back soon?

by CardFaninVA on Jul 19, 2007 7:01 PM EDT reply actions

I thought he was supposed to be back

a week ago.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Atlanta lineup

Good to see Julio in right away:

Escobar 2B
Renteria SS
Larry Jones 3B
Andruw Jones CF
Francouer RF
Diaz LF
Franco 1B
Saltalamacchiacappuchinomochachocolate C
Hudson P

"Tyler's gonna bust a nut on some babies tonight!" - Tyler Johnson (as told by Alex Fritz)

by Mr Redbird on Jul 19, 2007 7:04 PM EDT reply actions

BUNT!

for the love of GOB, bunt to the rightside!

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Carpenter to have Tommy John surgery

per FSN.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 7:06 PM EDT reply actions

that's actually a relief

in a sad sorta way. pitchers can come back from TJ, sometimes even better. hopefully, and this is wishful thinking here, the team ponies up for big Z in 08

Future Redbirds

by erik on Jul 19, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

The article by Strauss says

that all the doctors weren't in agreement it was needed now but would be needed at some point.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

with the season in the toilet

better now then later.

Future Redbirds

by erik on Jul 19, 2007 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions

and where's the article

not seeing it at stltoday

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by erik on Jul 19, 2007 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Here ya go

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/504DB689A26DEF108625731D007F0066 ?OpenDoc

Though no unanimous opinion existed that immediate surgery was a necessity, a consensus built that a procedure would be needed at some point.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions

so help me with this

3 doctors see him and they don't all agree that he needs surgery now but there's a "consensus" that it will be needed at some point.

If he doesn't need surgery now, why the swelling and inflammation? Is this the solution or are we hoping it's a solution?

by chuckb on Jul 19, 2007 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

i see it has no one knows what to do

so they are just going to cut him open and see whats in there. any one else see it like this?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Who will do the surgery?

I hope its Andrews

by OCCardsFan on Jul 19, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

just as long as Pelletta is no where near

the OR when it's done i'm sure whoever does it will be fine.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

but is there no way this could have been spotted in April?

Did he tear the ligaments (or whatever, damage them) in his rehabbing? If not, why wasn't this spotted earlier.

Hopefully he makes for a great trade deadline acquisition next year but I think whether we see him on the mound at all next year is questionable.

by chuckb on Jul 19, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

That's the question

I can't understand how this wasn't caught and taken care of in April. If it is not due to his post-surgical rehab, someone from our medical team should be fired before causing more damage to the team. The list of problematic diagnoses and surgical delays is getting too long.

by nycardfan on Jul 19, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

starting with Pelletta on down

almost every DR on the Cards staff should lose thier jobs. they've now screwed up or miss handeled,

Rolen
Mulder
Carp
IZZY
Jimmy
Juan
Speezer
DUNK

and that's just the past two seasons!

i wouldn't trust those guys to cure a hangnail.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

You've made a list of injured players

they haven't all been mishandled. We don't have the slightest clue what happened with Carp's elbow. Not a HINT. He could have injured it during rehab.

Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Jul 19, 2007 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

do you really think he's not gonna sign with

the cubs? i'd love to snag him.

by ortic jones on Jul 19, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I haven't

seen the sports mustache article, but if this guy was left off--it's a conspiracy against former Cardinals:

http://www.alhrabosky.com/Personal_Info.asp

by rockin redbird on Jul 19, 2007 7:07 PM EDT reply actions

Here are a couple

more shots. That brush beats Mex's any day:

http://www.alhrabosky.com/images/MVC-095F.JPG

http://www.alhrabosky.com/images/MVC-076F.JPG

by rockin redbird on Jul 19, 2007 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

i think we need our own write-in campaign

by lboros on Jul 19, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm with ya

LB. Oh--and great post earlier today. It's been on my mind since 10 am. I'm generally a TLR apologist. I actually like "the living statue," as my wife calls him. Have since day one. But your post may have been the last straw for even me. As much as I abhor change, I'm beginning to believe it's time for Tony to move on.

by rockin redbird on Jul 19, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually, FSN said last night...

...that Hrabosky is on the list. So no conspiracy.

by willievinceterry on Jul 19, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Let's light up Hudson

he CAN be hit hard.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions

Anyone having problems with MLB Radio?

I try to get the KTRS feed and get the Nationals-Rockies game. At least I'm used to the Braves announcers.

And is anyone else upset that TBS doesn't have any of the 4 games this weekend?

Join me in Tacoma in early August to cheer on our Memphis Redbirds

by ColinMacLeod on Jul 19, 2007 7:38 PM EDT reply actions

yes, same here

Using the ATL feed for now.

by DriverZn on Jul 19, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Come one Dan...

Can someone please tell him its Salta-LA-macchia, not Salt-a-macchia. He's said it wrong at least 3 times now.

by pcwilmes on Jul 19, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions

I'd like to hear shannon take a stab at that

by jeff abs on Jul 19, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

me too

but we have rick and john instead.

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by cardsfan84 on Jul 19, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions

welcome back Jimmy

no one else gets to that.

am i the only one who cries a little ever time you see Edgar in another uni? i know he left over $1 stinkin million bucks, but if he came back tomorrow, i'd welcome him back with open arms.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 7:49 PM EDT reply actions

hang 'em and bang 'em.

gheez mike.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions

maroth

and homers...i hope we don't give up much for this waste of space

Future Redbirds

by erik on Jul 19, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions

Good thing its a vet

If it were a youngster Tony might get upset.

by DriverZn on Jul 19, 2007 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

hey guys

pujols struck out. he must be a waste of space too. let's dump on him.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

hey dont forget

he didn't run to first on the line drive to short. he's clearly washed up and doesn't care about winning any more. time to trade Winnie Poo.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Its not that I am dumping on the player

Just its time we admited this season is done and starting planning for 08. Maroth, miles, Juan shouldn't be involved in that process.

We need to play Ryan, Ludwick, Reyes and see what we have in them for 08. Every inning our sub replacement guys play is a wasted inning.

by DriverZn on Jul 19, 2007 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions

that's ridiculous

Why not try to see what Maroth has to offer for next year, he's young and has major league experience. We have other people in the rotation that we could take out to give time to younger people.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Everythign you need to know in one handy link

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marotmi01.shtml

Pre-injury he was a below average starter. Post injury he looks like a well below average starter.

Not a wise use of 4-5M in 08.

by DriverZn on Jul 19, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow

"Waste of space" seems a bit harsh. Didn't this "waste of space" like, 2-hit the Mets not too long ago? Give him some time. He'll come out ok. Just don't start screaming for a trade or DFA anytime somebody doesn't throw a no-hitter.

by Jhusk on Jul 19, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

harsh, sure i guess

he's a good person, but he's a waste of roster space...how 'bout that?

Future Redbirds

by erik on Jul 19, 2007 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

we have to figure out whether or not to tender him a contract that may be worth around $5 M. We need to make sure he's not worth it. With us having this kind of season, it doesn't really matter if we lose 5-0 or 10-0.

by chuckb on Jul 19, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions

You know

before this game started I said to myself I can totally see Andruw rocking one out on Maroth. First pitch he sees? Over the f'in fence.

"Tyler's gonna bust a nut on some babies tonight!" - Tyler Johnson (as told by Alex Fritz)

by Mr Redbird on Jul 19, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions

EVERYBODY LAY OFF MAROTH

hey, it worked last night for instant breakfast. and wells, come to think of it.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Jul 19, 2007 7:58 PM EDT reply actions

That goes double for you

Braves hitters.

by liam on Jul 19, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions

It would be nice if we'd stop rolling over these

knee high sinkers.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions

this is not even freakin funny

come on Mike! you are suspossed to be better than this!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions

julio franco:

"i believe this is where i'm ending my career."

BELIEVE?!?!? THE GUY IS 2,438 YEARS OLD.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 19, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions

actually he's 2,439

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I dig

watching players who's rookie card came out before I was born.

He's sort of like an old-timer's game that counts in the standings.

Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa. ~Bob Veale, 1966

by bukowski on Jul 19, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Good to have you back, Edwards

Great diving catch.

by liam on Jul 19, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions

HOORAY JIMMY

welcome back dude. welcome back.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions

Franco

does anyone understand why the Braves wanted him? He's 48, can only play 1B, and has a .588 OPS. His OPS last year was .700 -- and that's playing mostly against lefties! I know he's had a great career and is a nice guy and all that, but if you were battling for a playoff spot, would he be your 1b?

by chuckb on Jul 19, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions

Well, he was with the Braves in the past, and

he's a poster boy for staying in shape. Really, if you were a Brave a few pounds over weight, and you took a look at Julio, wouldn't you be ashamed of yourself? Bet you would head for the gym and the fruit bowl.

by jillsinmo on Jul 19, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

How's THAT for a fitness

test, TLR?

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions

two nice plays by jimmy so far

to go with a single through the middle.

either he's all the way back, or he's going to be back on the dl by monday.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 19, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions

Classic Jimmy!!

Is he playing to spite TLR for holding him out so long?

"Tyler's gonna bust a nut on some babies tonight!" - Tyler Johnson (as told by Alex Fritz)

by Mr Redbird on Jul 19, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions

is it too much to ask of Mike

for him to get one of those runs back? isn't he a good hitter for a pitcher?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions

sooooooooo

is it uncool to ask carp for some of the money back from his extension?

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions

you know

not in a mean way, just in a "since you will only have started one game in 2 years, and we would appreciate not having to pay you $20 million for that time" way.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions

crap

we lost carp. is walt actively buying or who else is worth calling up?

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by cardsfan84 on Jul 19, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions

damn

can't fault mike for that. that was a good pitch.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions

prediction

no runs for the cards tonight

by roscoe on Jul 19, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions

OK

who the hell is matt diaz? seriously i've never heard of this guy and he's killing Mike tonight.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions

well, 'night folks

my buddy just got fired, and i don't think this game is getting any better. i think my time is better spent with some good friends (the one who got fired, and beers). see you tomorrow.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Jul 19, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

quitter

heh, i kid. have fun. hope your friend finds new, and better employment soon.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

since people piled on my comment earlier

and its higher in the thread and i did reply to it...i never called for maroth to be dfa'd or traded...I simply said i thought he was an innings eater and lately he has gone 5 and out...he had a good start in NYC but hasn't looked good since...i did state we had others who could go 5 innings and get nocked around which probably made it sound i was giving up on the guy...i agree he needs more starts to be judged on...even if he loses tonight id like to see him go 7.

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by punchinjudy on Jul 19, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

The Reds just swept this team?

I was hoping we'd pull that off to put together the 7-3 road trip we'd need to get to .500 away from Busch. I like the matchups the rest of the way in this series, at least.

It'd be nice to get out of this inning without further damage and start crawling back into this one.

And a 6-4 forceout takes care of the first half of that equation. Nice.

by liam on Jul 19, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions

now can i say it?

maroth is TERRIBLE. he may be a nice guy, but he has been awful. i don't think he's this bad, but he's far from good. i don't think he'll be back next year...if the team didn't hate reyes so much he'd be gone tomorrow

Future Redbirds

by erik on Jul 19, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions

i honestly think Dave if he stays

can fix Mike and turn him into a Galvine Jr. i am puzzled about his velocity. i thought he threw in the low 90's. so far he's no where near that.

but you are right, he's been terrible since his first start. and i can't figure out why. he should be better than this. he really should.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

It's easy to see why he's not been good.

He's not hitting his spots. You can succeed in the bigs topping at 85 mph, but you have GOT to hit your spots. When Mike misses, he misses over the plate, and that's a pretty big maza ball hangin out there. In the game against the Mets he was hitting the inside corner to lefties, which set up his slider perfectly. Now? Notsomuch. The upside, though, is that this will come around. A control pitcher is always a control pitcher. He'll find it, come around eventually.

by Jhusk on Jul 19, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought he'd be a good pitcher

or atleast average.

He blows. If we had Wellemeyer and Reyes both up here, I'd say DFA him.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Can we PLEASE STOP ROLLING OVER THE

sinker?

Sheesh.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions

Maroth

Of all the pitchers in the Majors who've thrown 100 or more innings this year, Maroth is 86th out of 86 in Opponents OPS at .953. The next worst is Ervin Santana at .898.

I honestly thought that move to the NL would produce some instant results just from the step down in competition (offensively at least) but man, he gets hit hard.

http://www.joesportsfan.com

by jbacott on Jul 19, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions

Where is Eckstein playing?

His range is pathetic, he suddenly has stonehands and appears to be out of position on every play.

Yet, there is Brendan Ryan sitting on the bench.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions

We're down to 11 pitchers for the weekend

so Maroth will take this beating.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions

His ERA is now worse than Reyes

How many 5+ and 6+ Era guys does one team need. ugh

by DriverZn on Jul 19, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I typed too soon, ERA @ 7.88 now.

by DriverZn on Jul 19, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

you should try out

they could always use one more

07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Jul 19, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Grandpa gets a hit.

and we're down by 10.

Sad. Very, very sad.

Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa. ~Bob Veale, 1966

by bukowski on Jul 19, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions

If I squint at the picture on gameday

I can't tell if it's Wells, Reyes or Maroth.

I wouldn't buy a new home in STL, Mike. You seem like a nice guy but this is pretty ugly.

Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Jul 19, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions

Let the fire sale....

begin. How many idiots on this board think we should not trade Izzy and pay him 8 million next year?

by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 19, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions

I think we should not trade Izzy

And pay him $8 million next year.

by liam on Jul 19, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Why?

by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 19, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Being a little bit bad

Doesn't obligate you to get worse.

by liam on Jul 19, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions

i agree

this is one more idiot with you, liam.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 19, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Izzy's had an OUTSTANDING year....

but certainly could fetch us something from Cleveland/Detroit...and does everybody really believe that if we lost Izzy there is no way we could find a way to close games next year? Ridiculous.....

by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 19, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Well..

At this point I'm not worried about closing games next year, I think we're having enough trouble getting guys to START games this year much less close it out.

This game case #30

by KYCards on Jul 19, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Before you call me a ridiculous idiot

Tell me who we'd get for Isringhausen, and who we'd use to close games for the next year and a half.

I'd be pleased to see Izzy pitch out his contract in St. Louis and then decide whether to retire a Cardinal or come back for another year.

by liam on Jul 19, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

i've been called worse

keep IZZY.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions

nice way to start a discussion!

real classy!

by chuckb on Jul 19, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Keep Izzy

As one of the only decent guys we can count on throwing, I definitely don't want to see Izzy go. The man threw most of the year in '06 without a hip, he's a hero to me.

by roebirds on Jul 20, 2007 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Yikes!!

This is flat out embarrising.

Anybody getting deja vu from that NLCS series in 96 when the Braves were pounding us after we went up 3-1 in the series.

by KYCards on Jul 19, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions

Yes, without the 3-1 lead part

by DriverZn on Jul 19, 2007 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Good news

We don't lose many one run games any more.

Has anyone had as many double digit margin losses as we have this year?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Jul 19, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions

Nothing quite like...

getting home from a beautiful vacation in the lovely dominican republic, to find out that Carp is going in for Tommy John (PS: Where the heck was Paletta on that one?!) , and that we are getting our arses kicked 10-0 (Mike Maroth certainly does stink)

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 19, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions

you didn't happen to find

any starting pitchers no one knows about that could start for the Cardinals ASAP while you were down there did you?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Trust me...

I looked. Me and some buddies asked just about every local we came across if they could pitch.

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 19, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Bad news on Carp...

He's getting the Tommy John surgery. Here's the link from MLB.com:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070719&content_id=2097248&vkey=news_mlb&fext=. jsp&c_id=mlb

by jdubya on Jul 19, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions

can't say it's a surprise

but this sucks. I miss watching him carve teams up. here's to his full recovery and healthy return to his dominant self.

by Baseball addict on Jul 19, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions

At first

I was thinking maybe Leyland was doing a favor for his buddy LaRussa by basically giving him a starting pitcher with MLB experience since his rotation was in shambles.

I'm not so sure now. Maybe a bad joke instead?

by KYCards on Jul 19, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions

Not much

consolation, but at least we won't be shut out tonight.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 19, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions

well at least FLO

can't raise anyone else's ERA tonight but his own.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions

Maybe this guy could help...In 2 to 3 years.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Walters%20&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_ pbp&pid=502208

The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Jul 19, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions

looks promising

Good Lord I can't wait for 2009!

by kyle man on Jul 19, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I would love it......

a guy who actually can strike someone out-a lot!

by jillsinmo on Jul 19, 2007 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions

my eyes deceive me

i think i just saw Ludwick take a walk.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 19, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions

another excellent example

of a "the umpire thinks Duncan strikes out a lot, so he rings him up on a ball 8 inches outside" situation.

Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 19, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions

fire sale?

who would you trade, and who would want them?

Maybe ENC for what?
Izzy havent heard him mentioned at all in teams looking for help.

Rolen- dont think any takers...

just mentioning names i've seen mentioned on here.

I think they are stuck period.

They will stand pat at the deadline...unless they run the table the next week and a half

07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Jul 19, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions

and the game mercifully comes to an end

that was UGLY

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions

i could be wrong

and if i'm stepping on any one's toes please forgive me, that's the last thing i want to do.

but i think i picked up on a lot of hostility today in both comment sections. any one else think that?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions

Sooo

Someone will let us know when it's ok to complain about Maroth. Right?

Also I would just like to say that I would rather watch Reyes give up 10 runsin the first four innings...at least I would feel that we would know more at the end of the game than at the begining.

by Harknights on Jul 19, 2007 11:40 PM EDT reply actions

Mike's not the only soft tossing lefty

who got drilled tonight.

Glavine didn't get out of the 3rd in LA. here's his line for the night.

2.0 IP, 10H, 6 runs, 4 earned, 1 walk, 0 K's, 2 HR's.

so you see? Mike's not the only controlled pitcher with problems. and Mike's not a 298 game winner. if it can happen to Glavine, it can happen to any control pitcher.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Everyone has bad days.

But go look up his line over the past several years. Maroth is a below average starting pitcher. He isn't Tom Glavin any more than Reyes is.

The diffrence is one will cost us several million, the other less than one next year. I'll take the cheaper option and hope to find someone with a bat so perhaps we could stop getting shut out weekly.

by DriverZn on Jul 20, 2007 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions

He's coming back from elbow surgery.....so maybe

he just needs more time. I hope this isn't as good as it gets....and those homeruns, and the fact that's walked more batters than he struck out--bad signs for a pitcher. At this point I see no choice but to put him out there and see if you can't get some improvement. Yes Reyes should be here, but they aren't going to bring him up, so I guess they're going to have to look elsewhere..........

by jillsinmo on Jul 19, 2007 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions