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Batting order matters

I was a bit disgusted last night to see a lineup card with Kennedy and Schumaker at the top.  Despite a two game stretch some are calling a "hot streak," Kennedy's OBP is below .300, while Schumaker's only climbed above .300 a little over a week ago.  Collectively, they went 2-for-9 with no walks.

To further punctuate the situation, Kennedy made the last out of the game.  So Tony essentially had the chance to give an extra at-bat to any player on the team, and he chose Adam Kennedy.  It was the 13th time he's been in the leadoff spot this season, and Matthew Leach tells us his OBP in that slot is all of .309 (now lower).

I imagine most here have read Bill James, Baseball Prospectus or others who found optimal batting order construction puts the highest OBP at the top.  It's also just common sense that you hit Albert third so he can drive in runs, which he can't do if the first two hitters are back in the dugout.

Tony has used 8 players in the leadoff spot and 8 in the two-spot thus far (some of those overlap).  Eckstein's led-off 39 times and currently ranks 6th in OBP.  Taguchi's led-off 21 times and ranks 5th in OBP.  Miles and Kennedy have each hit first 13 times, and rank 11th and 15th, respectively.

Duncan hit second 44 times and ranks 2nd on the team in OBP, with Spezio in the slot 15 times and ranking 3rd.  Taguchi hit there 11 times.

From the standpoint of maximizing OBP, we're doing much better in the 2nd spot than the 1st.  But with Duncan moved to the cleanup spot, who's going to get on base for he and Pujols?

Eckstein and Taguchi seem like the best leadoff options, statistically.  Miles and Kennedy are terrible choices, even if they do hit left handed.

Spezio's got the best OBP outside Pujols and Duncan, so he's a great choice to bat second when he's in the lineup.  But of course, he's injured.  Schumaker and Ryan rank 4th and 8th in OBP, but the sample size and their track records make me think those numbers will come down.

The next best option to bat second right now is clearly Scott Rolen.  His .338 OBP (7th on team) is respectable.  Given his power outage, he makes less sense in the middle of the order, particularly if Duncan's already in the cleanup spot.  Others on this site have noted Rolen seemingly turning into Placido Polanco.  Doesn't it make more sense to use him that way instead of crossing our fingers and hoping he'll hit 30 HRs?

Personally, I like Duncan and his on-base skills in the 2 spot.  But if you're going to move him to try to capitalize on his slugging, it's even more crucial to get on-base skills at the top.

In the 90 games this season, Tony's used 82 different batting orders with his position players.  So why not get Rolen into that 2 spot rather than tinkering with the replacement player of the week?

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I fully agree on Rolen batting in the 2 spot. I have felt that way for a while. 4 homeruns for a 4 or 5 hitter will not get the job done. The man needs to be in the 2 spot and once he does start heating up again, like last year, the cards can move him back to the 5 spot.

by Romo9 on Jul 18, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed
plus the two spot seems to fit his skill set right now (singles, occasional double and not too many gidps). The days -- at least for this year or until whatever is in that shoulder of his is figured out -- of Scott Rolen, 25 HRs a year, are in the rear view mirror.
Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Jul 18, 2007 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Looks like you've already diagnosed the basic problem, this team sucks in general at getting on base so there aren't a whole lot of options. I agree with you that Eck then Rolen is probably the best we can do for now, Edmonds could be a viable 2 hole option when he comes back as well. This is why my #2 priority this offseason (#1 being who is going to play short) is an OBP machine to take Juan's place in right, the best player in baseball is coming to the plate way too often with nobody on, 2 out these days.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 18, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I knocked 30 points off..
Schumaker's obp and put the team through Pinto's lineup tool...

It likes Pujols and Duncan 1-2, with Enc and Rolen in the middle of the lineup and Molina batting 9th.

If you run it with 30 points off of Schumaker's OBP and 30 points added to Rolen's the ideal lineup is:

Rolen
Pujols
Miles/Molina
Duncan
Skip
Enc
Kennedy
Pitcher
Miles/Molina

I think what's happening here is that Pujols/Duncan are so much better than everyone else in this lineup, the best hope for scoring runs is to maximize their plate appearances. Then you bat the pitcher 8th so Pujols has someone to drive after the first trip through the batting order.

Think LaRussa will go for it?

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 18, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Lineup toy
I wish there was a way to "lock down" spots in the lineup toy, to account for things like managers won't really let their pitchers bat 8th. I would be interested to see what the toy spits out if you lock the pitcher in the 9th spot and Pujols 3rd, since I don't think Tony is changing those two.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 18, 2007 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone ever
Asked Tony about Pinto's lineup toy? Specifically about how the toy says the pitcher should hit 8th and TLR took so much crap for doing that 10 years ago?

by Harknights on Jul 18, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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