Game 55 Open Thread: June 5, 2007, 7:10 CDT
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GAME TIME 7:10 CDT
you'll never guess who todd wellemeyer's number 1 comp is at Baseball Prospectus. get this: it's bob gibson! . . . . ok, so it's this guy, not that guy; i still like it.wellemeyer has thrown 170 pitches since joining the cardinals --- 119 of them for strikes, or 70 percent. with the royals this season, he was only throwing 59 percent of his pitches for strikes. that takes care of one of the two big reasons wellemeyer had a 10.34 era in kansas city. the other --- rampant HRism --- remains in force. since joining st louis wellemeyer has faced 49 hitters and yielded 3 homers --- 1 per 16 plate apperances. that's even worse than his hr rate in kansas city, where he gave up a dinger once every 21 plate appearances. his opponents tonight, the reds, lead the national league in home runs with 75. . . . .
duncan's back in the lineup tonight:
| CIN | STL |
|---|---|
| hopper lf | eckstein ss |
| hamilton cf | duncan lf |
| phillips 2b | pujols 1b |
| dunn lf | edmonds cf |
| encarnacion 3b | spiezio 3b |
| hatteberg 1b | encarnacion rf |
| ross c | bennett c |
| castro ss | kennedy 2b |
| harang p | wellemeyer p |
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the Reds love hitting in Busch III
Rolen
Anyone got an update on Scotty?
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 5, 2007 7:00 PM EDT reply actions
3rd Missed Start in a Row
Third baseman Scott Rolen, who has had a right hamstring strain, went through a vigorous pre-game workout but will not start. "He needs to have that kind of workout before he can play in a game," said manager Tony La Russa, who said he would review the situation again tomorrow night.
Our hottest hitters may surprise you...
ROLEN: .467 BA (30 AB, 5 R, 14 H, 1 HR, 8 RBI, 6 BB, 6 K)
ECKSTEIN: .400 BA (40 AB, 6 R, 16 H, 2 HR, 6 RBI, 1 BB, 3 K)
PUJOLS: .371 BA (35 AB, 11 R, 13 H, 4 HR, 8 RBI, 4 BB, 2 K)
TAGUCHI: .333 BA (27 AB, 6 R, 9 H, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K)
LUDWICK: .333 BA (18 Ab, 2 R, 6 H, 0 HR , 0 RBI, 0 BB, 1 K)
EDMONDS: .306 BA (36 AB, 7 R, 11 H, 5 HR, 9 RBI, 3 BB, 6 K)
SPEZIO: .265 BA (34 AB, 7 R, 9 H, 1 HR, 4 RBI's, no BB, 4 K)
MILES: .257 BA (35 AB, 4 R, 9 H, 0 HR, 0 BB, 2 RBI, 1 K)
DUNCAN: .235 BA, 34 AB, 7 R, 8 H, 3 HR, 7 RBI, 1 BB, 9 K.
by nycardfan on Jun 5, 2007 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
Good luck to Dunc tonight! But....
First, Duncan has not been dominant in any measurable category since May 15th (his last 10 games) and has been in a general slump since April 28th (holding a mediocre .234 batting average). Duncan's recent performance ranks NINTH in batting average and k's. He ranks EIGHTH in hits, FOURTH in RBI's, and is in a three-way tie for SECOND in runs. And as for power, Duncan ranks THIRD behind Edmonds and Pujols in homers, with Eckstein and Taguchi close behind. Hopefully his game will pick up starting tonight!
Second, to never sit Duncan is a suggestion TLR would not follow since it goes against his managing philosophy. TLR likes to play the entire bench more than many managers. The ESPN commentators for the Mets series noted that last year, the only players TLR relied on every day (when not injured) were Pujols and Eckstein and they expected that to be the case this year. Yet even for Eckstein, TLR didn't hesitate to pull him out of a number of games and put him in the batting cage for extra practice when he went into a slump in April and early May. Especially given Duncan's recent numbers, why should he be handled any differently from other major players? Duncan has shown great promise in stretches, and because of that, should be our starting left fielder. But he is currently not an elite hitter and should not be treated as Pujols (who plays every day for his defensive as well as offensive excellence).
by nycardfan on Jun 5, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I still
He did well in the minors as a starter, and struggled in the big leagues as only being a reliever. Maybe it's all about mindset with him . . . I have faith in you, buddy.
Lets just hope we can hit the ball to RF tonight.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 5, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
spiezio's smile in his

by jeff abs on Jun 5, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
JIMMY!
Busch
First Duncan's play, and no you could barely see where Jimmy's ball went.
Welley's doing just what Anthony does
Actually
Then he'd go on to have 5 more dominant innings.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh
Nice force out at third, eck. Lets get two more.
thank you sister
Thankfully
by Petkovsek on Jun 5, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
nice snow cone turkey!
Way to battle back!
Solid defense ...
what?
That was good pitching to get out of the jam. Sure Bennett made a good catch, but it's not like Welle was "bailed out" by the D.
You're right
Wasn't it June of last year
some HBP's
Hopefully Wellemeyer makes Harang wet his pants next time he comes up...
OUCH
ouch...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jun 5, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
Argh... time to give the Angels a call
Gary Bennett is arguing with them
Bennett is an effin gamer!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 5, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
they are doing everything to get gary out of there
and the kelley stinnett ear officially begins.
hope wild turkey's going to be OK. it's scary getting hit in the head.
Where did GB get hit?
looked like it hit him
I understand though
definately
Kennedy is starting to really bother me.
welley looks like the one who got hit in the head
C'mon Eckstein
YEAH ECK!!
Now see...
first one was a foul bunt
Ted Lilly at 51 pitches thru 2 innings for da Cubs
3-0 Brewers.
Cubs v Brewers
Who would have thunk it
Dunk needs to RELAX when he comes up
be careful here welley
He can also strikeout with the best of them :)
I think Baby Dunc could/should have
IMHO, it had nothing to do with his health...
NIIIICCCCEEEEEEEE
let's go Albert! we need some runs!
Struck him out.
Meanwhile, Hrabosky was talking about how Duncan understands the strike zone better than Dunn. Really? Dunn walks all the time, he just strikes out because he's got a massive swing.
Dunn
Harang's pic looks...
So i tell lbros this every time harang pitches
in no order
Willie Mcgee
Adam Harang
Tom Petty
ok so theres 3 for ya...
in other news
i wonder how close to 100% healthy Dunk
He just needs to get his timing back...
Welley piling up BB's
"Hi guys, I'm Dave your pitching coach.
This battery...
But with Wellemeyer walking the bases loaded, that doesn't look so good...
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
Welley's losing it fast
Are we still going with the 6-man bullpen?
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you Castro!
Please don't walk the pitcher....
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
I still think Wellemeyer isn't a terrible
Ridiculous, even if he gets out of it.
At least when...
Thank you for swinging at that Harang
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
only a pitcher would swing at that pitch.
Wellemeyer
he is getting
he either needs to adjust or the ump needs to wake up.
I agree
Plus I'm thinking Rolen gets to that early popup that Speez couldn't reach...
Still, throw a damn strike.
by paCardsFan on Jun 5, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
good night Welley
ok TJ, get this lefty out and let the O go back to work.
C'mon, Tyler
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
Can anyone throw a strike?
by paCardsFan on Jun 5, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
i knew TJ was going to do that
nice K kid. lets go O. get that lead back!
7 straight 3-ball counts
That strikeout was a gift, by the way.
That inning: 4 BBs, 1 WP, 3 Ks. I wonder how many times an entire half-inning has passed in which no balls were put into play and 2 runs scored? That has to be a pretty rare feat for both teams, eh?
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone else loose the mlb.tv feed?
by paCardsFan on Jun 5, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
I'm ready for the Wellmeyer experiment to end.
Oh the humanity....
WOW
In case you were wondering...
They're giving him plenty of grief about it
by paCardsFan on Jun 5, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
as they should
he deserves every bit of it.
nice bunt TJ
Yup...
I think we all got excited
BS call
At least Eck hustles.
by paCardsFan on Jun 5, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Where's that AA guy for the Braves
by paCardsFan on Jun 5, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Any word on Sno Cones?
contusion to the back of the skull
and, of course, Mike just explained that's really just a big hickey on the back of his neck. ;o)
by cardsgirlinAR on Jun 5, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
GOD bless the moon man
really hope Gary's going to be OK.
Encarnacion not running on the pop up reminds me..
Reminds me
by paCardsFan on Jun 5, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
that's CRAP
Where is Suppan with our Word of The Day?
nice K TJ!
Aw hell
I can see this being another day
Cincinnati's not a team you want to go down to the wire against. I know they're having some 8th inning trouble this season, but they're notorious for comeback wins.
after they left Albert at 2nd in the 5th
Two straight 1-pitch outs for Speez
What tha!
Walk the opposing pitcher on 4 pitches?
OK Juan
D-Rays/B-Jays
Found it interesting....
by Petkovsek on Jun 5, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
INSTANT BREAKFAST!!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 5, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
way to go EnJuan...
Ticket for Thursday's game
If I didn't live 8 hours away I'd do it
id do it
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 5, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess hypothetically i could still buy the beer
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 5, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thursday's game
welly reyes
so is Kennedy simply trying to hard?
AK's hitting .220 on june 5th, and so far has shown very few signs of being the hitting his AL numbers say he was. granted he did pretty well batting leadoff. but ever since then, he's completly fallen off the wagon again.
Shoulda kept Belli
Flores
Encarnacion could get .300 with power
by Keep your hands off on Jun 5, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Why the hell did we re-sign flores?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 5, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
not good at all?
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been here all season
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 5, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, do we blame Juan
B.not catching that ball, and then not throwing out a guy who's running back to 3rd?
I blame him for both. just when he gets on my good side, he jumps right back into my dog house.
he's done 3 bad things this game, to 1 good thing.
by far Juan is the most fustrating guy in our line up.
We blame
Seriously, guys, stop crucifying Juan Encarnacion for not smiling enough when he scraps and hustles. That throw was a bullet.
you know
my bad
i still think he could have had him
Flores should be relegated to LH batters
al hrabosky masterpiece theater
"But I'm sure he gets really excited, you know, watching the young kids play... I bet he put vaseline on
paaaaauuuuuse
on his elbows, y'know, after that slide."
that made me laugh
Flores ERA by month
May : 5.06
June : 27.00
Utoh.
by Keep your hands off on Jun 5, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Who's Stinnett?
We upgraded from Esposito
I pooped a toaster last inning.
by Keep your hands off on Jun 5, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 5, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks Jr
nice one frank
Huge getting out of that inning still tied
Nice job Franklin!
Does
It seems like this happens to us all the time.
I really like
too bad wells, and kennedy overshadow that
alright Dunk, RELAX
I'd just be content
Well scratch that.
dang, Albert won't get a pitch to hit now
I don't know who that nun is that FSN Cincy
great time for speezer's first hit against stanton
Does anyone else have the Alyssa Milano
Kind of improves the whole GD experience imho
Not currently
A great Alyssa Milano Youtube Moment
considering
I didn't realize he had that many
I was watching game 1 of the FLA/ATL DH today and saw that Miguel Cabrera made his 12th error of the season, leading all 3B. He sure makes up for it with his bat, though.
Franklin has a .83 WHIP this season
He's halved his career walk rate to 1.13 BB/9, K/9 stayed at 4.5 but he's shaved off 4hits/9IP to get down to 6H/9. That doesn't seem sustainable since he's still a flyball pitcher, but wow. Whatever he's doing is working.
Yikes
Whew...
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
AND hit the guy who got a triple last time up
woa whos this majewski?
Is Adam Kennedy really our second baseman
If he was going to be so concerned with the runner
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Stat:
wonder if all those bb's
or the lack
sheff
you guys read this? He added more fuel to it today saying"they can send them back across the island"
I still fail to see how this is baseballs problem? African americans have a choice and they are either chosing other sports or none at all. Sure you look and think are we doing something wrong, but I don't see what they could possibly be doing to turn them away.
Not everyone cares for the sport..white, black,asian,whatever.
Correct me if I'm wrong
by cloistermaximus on Jun 5, 2007 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
Reyes about to make glorious return to St. Louis..
Reyes drives up overnight, gets 22 groundball outs in a complete game shutout... Duncan, TLR, and Reyes hold hands and sing cumbaya and everyone lives happily ever after. This is great!
okay...
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 5, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
or the rest of us need to start
Is this Burton guy a rookie?
yes he is ...
5 straight balls will do that
don't let it go 10
is it just me, or does this game feel like is 5 hours long? man they are sure dragging this thing out.
Rally Cap just went on
squeeze time?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 5, 2007 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
runner now at 3rd,
C'mon Gooch
OK scratch that
Sounds dirty
Yeah
by cardsgirlinAR on Jun 5, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to turn this...
That is unbelievable...
greatest.
EVER.
Good lord
And That's A Walkoff Winner!!!!
Another appearance
Nice hit, Gooch. Keep earning your keep off the bench, I won't mind when you pinch hit.
Hell yes
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Yea!
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 5, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
miles should have stopped
He'd have never made it
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2007 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That was really huge...
by willievinceterry on Jun 5, 2007 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
Feels like 2005 again!
What a stud.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 5, 2007 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, but they are 'our' VORP- players
However, its nights like this that guys like So Taguchi, A-Ron Miles, SnoCones, et al earn the free pass for a week or so, because they do the improbable or frankily, what we believe them incapable of doing.
More than likely, if this was the third inning and Gooch has that runner at 3rd, he never scores. However, when it's in the 'clutch', it just becomes another notch in Cardinals lore.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
gotta give SO some big props
i'm with you that I can't believe SO's still with the Cards. and you may be right that if it's the 3rd with two outs he won't get the runner home. but for tonight, he's the hero. big props SO. great job dude.
TLR
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 6, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
speaking of the cubs
but hey, makes for a good show.
those bb's made me nervous
good night, guys, see you tomorrow.
That felt like a game we would lose
Edmonds: "Get in my belly!"
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 6, 2007 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
fantastic.
by davethebutcher on Jun 6, 2007 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
awesome pic
Wow
This scrappy little team is actually sort of fun to watch! (When we're winning...)





















