Game 53 Open Thread: June 3, 2007, 1:05 pm CDT
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GAME TIME 1:05 CDT
Kip Wells everyone, Master of Disaster. At least Anthony Reyes had semi-decent components to go with an unusually low strand rate. Wells has just been crap all around. More from Strauss: Anthony Reyes can't just be successful in the minors to make it back to the show, his path back solely hinges on throwing the sinker. :SIGH: Memphis pitching coach Dyar Miller sides against the big club management.
"Some organizations try to clone people to their way of thinking. Others try to get the best out of the individual. I think in Anthony's case, you've got to work with him the way he throws. I just don't think he's going to be able to throw that two-seamer. He doesn't work that way."
Kudos to you Dyar, that's what we've all been saying. La Russa did also state that part of Reyes problems have been "situation recognition". We've found that to be true for the most part here with recent posts at VEB, and the prescription we came up for those woes is more high 4-seam fastballs. While La Russa is right, Reyes gets overly reliant on his off-speed stuff in situations with runners in scoring position, their idea of a remedy is a sinker, something as we all know and now experienced pitching coaches are saying Reyes can't do. Splendid. It's a subject that's been killed thrice over here at VEB and then some, with much debate. I'm just glad Miller said something about it, because it's not just Reyes I worry about getting a fair chance at a big league career over this "pitch to contact" extremism. There's some pretty interesting talent in the minors like Adam Ottavino, Chris Perez, Shaun Garceau, etc. that are high fastball pitchers. Are they going to get an opportunity if they don't throw sinkers, too? I love La Russa and Dunc for the success they've had here, but I happily put myself in the category of one who will welcome a change when they decide to ride off into the sunset. Maybe I'll regret saying it later, but I'd like to see our hard throwing pitchers liberated from a 2-seam tyrannic regime. (Ok, maybe that's overstating but you get the point.) Meanwhile, Kip Wells will get a pass because he's a veteran and throws a sinker. Blech. On somewhat of a side note, is anyone else feeling a little scared that the illusion that this bad division creates is going to push Walt into selling the farm for another run? The Cardinals have always been a "win-now" beast, but it seems now is the time to focus on developing the future more then ever, rather then selling it.
- Sean Smith has his sabermetrics to english dictionary. Funny.
- azruavatar from FR has an eyewitness account from last night's Springfield game.
- J-Rod homered in his 2nd straight game for Memphis since coming off the DL.
- Ping! Mizzou is headed to it's 2nd Super Regional in 2 yrs.
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I have posted several times about Anthony Reyes...
by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2007 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You have a point
by Harknights on Jun 3, 2007 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and what about
by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2007 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ad busters
by sjoshi on Jun 3, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Erik...
Then there's the issue of him tipping his change, or whatever. I've seen that thing get hammered far too often for it to be called an elite type pitch.
As for selling the farm, seems to me the tidy solution is to move Reyes and some second tier prospects for help now. I don't know exactly who we would trade, but I'm sure it would help since we need everything except a first baseman and a closer.
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe the problems
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't get
by erik on Jun 3, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know too
I think we'll see Reyes scrap the two-seamer, add a MPH or two with a subsequent mechanical tweak or two, and get traded and be a league average pitcher for someone else.
It's kind of morbid that at this point I just need to know what happens when Reyes and Duncan separate. Maybe that just means that Reyes gets jerked around again and the guard changes for 2008.
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes won't stay
Ugh. I'm getting tired of talking about him already.
Might as well trade him while we can get something back for him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan and LaRussa
by 2x41z2tu on Jun 3, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mizzou
by snakestl on Jun 3, 2007 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guys who "top out"
Something I found interesting during the telecast of a Reyes performance occurred as (Ricky Horton, if I recall correctly) was interviewing ex-Card Scott Terry about the one-day "baseball camps" that are taught by Cards' alumni around the area. They started discussing Reyes' mechanics, and Terry essentially ripped Anthony a new one! Terry mentioned several points that he teaches pitchers not to do... Terry said Reyes' elbow was too low, and Reyes wasn't getting the most use out of his lower body, etc.
Now, I admit, Terry (and presumably his cohorts) are trying to teach kids how to pitch without hurting their arms; that's best done with "standard" mechanics. There are plenty of pitchers succeeding professionally with all sorts of different throwing motions, but I find it interesting that Reyes' motion is most often compared to that of perennially-injured Mark Prior.
Dunc has convinced me that Reyes cannot "blow hitters away" with a four-seamer up in the zone at 91-92 MPH. If Anthony could locate that four-seamer at the knees and follow it up with a changeup that "dies" below the strike zone, fine! Throw that! Otherwise, he needs another pitch (cutter, slider, curve) he can count on to keep hitters off-balance.
I'm almost convinced that Kip Wells is a lost cause, despite the outstanding "movement" he gets on his pitches, simply because he seemingly can't throw anything consistently where he wants to! Even when he was getting people out early yesterday, Wells was "missing" Bennett's glove by several feet! I don't know what Duncan (or anybody else) can do to correct that... Wells may simply be unable to hit "spots," and (if so) will never be an effective pitcher.
On a sunnier note, today's starter, Braden Looper, has had better "command" by throwing "90%"... and he still has the 95-MPH heater available when he needs it!
Let's win the series today, and hope we get Rolen/Eck/Young Dunc back by Tuesday!
by The Ol Goaler on Jun 3, 2007 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where have you been?
Anthony is not the type of pitcher that locates at the knees. That's just not him, he pitches up in the zone, and I for one, don't believe that you should try and make every pitcher on your staff essentially the same guy. He is a flyball/K pitcher, period. If you want a pitch-to-contact guy...throw Brad Thompson out there, but don't make a guy who has dominated at every level suddenly change what has worked for him.
Let him pitch the way he wants to. What do you have to lose. Duncan "SAYS" he can't be succesful with the 4-seamer, but I think it is obvious he will never be succesful with the 2-seamer. Give him the oppurtunity to pitch the way he wants to, and tell him... "sink or swim big boy. you wanted the chance, here it is. you fail and you'll be sent to the minors indefinitely"
Duncarussa is the most arrogant combo in baseball. They have had success, but they won't with a young team. I'll be glad to see them go.
BTW, Reyes was a guy who consistently threw in the mid-90's before Duncan starting screwing with him.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dominated at every level
I really wish people would stop lumping Reyes problems on to Dave Duncan. Dave Duncan doesn't force him not to be able to locate his off-speed pitch when he gets into trouble. Dave Duncan doesn't turn him into a ticking timebomb anytime someone reaches 1st base.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Lincecum
16.73 K/9IP
.83 WHIP
Hamels
12.36 K/9IP
.95 WHIP
Reyes blessing was that he didn't walk people.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's certainly
Lincecum didn't exactly make all the stops or hang around any of them anyway.
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, like
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without a double digit K rate
What it perhaps shows is that he was fooling minor league hitters with so-so stuff out of the zone of which big league hitters won't chase. If that is the case, his dwindling fastball isn't going to miss enough bats. Thus, the need for the 2 seamer...or something to keep the ball in the park.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I understand that Reyes hasn't been so hot in the Bigs.
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't shifted gears
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He struck out
I have no idea what his ML time has anything to do with this conversation.
And I thought we were arguing over adjectives not verbs.
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you were
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a joke concerning
by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooo...
Hmmmmm
Which one is it? Could Duncan's relentless tinkering have something to do with that? Seems totally plausible...even likely.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your pitching coach
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll ask again...
Could it be a product of the tinkering?
I don't see where his location was EVER a problem before. You are probably right though, having someone completely change his style of pitching doesn't have anything to do with it...
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Tinkering could have something to do with it. However, to be THIS EPICALLY BAD at locating the off-speed stuff is ridiculous if he spent the off-season working on it.
I could understand if his curveball was flat or a slider 'didn't slide' but not being able to throw it anywhere close to the mit in a Kip Wells style when people get on base ultimately falls back on the pitcher.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid point...
Maybe it's the lack of plate discipline by minor leaguers or maybe it's the relentless tinkering of his pitching coach...both seem plausible to me.
However, it's obvious that Duncan's approach is not working with Anthony. Why not let the guy pitch the way HE wants to for a month and see what happens.
Either way, I don't ever see him being succesful here as long as Duncarussa remains at the helm. If we can get our "SS of the future" for him...it's probably best for both parties involved.
BTW, did you read lboros post that proved that noone was hitting his 4 seamer with any authority?
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 4, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might have had something to do
That scouting report is out there now, and teams are taking better at bats against him, resulting in him walking a lot of MLB players on pitches that would get a AAA player to pop out.
by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that
As for his changeup and the curveball, I think they have been severely affected by his forced assimilation into the "2-seamer sect". I think his arm speed has slowed enough that he can't consistantly maintain his release point on the two pitches. The change sails to the right and the curve is pulled to the left & down, more often than not. Before, his changeup was a swing-and-a-miss in the zone; now it's wide of the plate.
Before the 2-seamer was mandated, he was a 3-4 ERA, strike-throwing machine. After the mandate was set, he's been a 5-6 ERA, fling-&-pray failure. Call me crazy (it's OK, you can, I am), but my first guess would be that's the likely cause.
by Solanus on Jun 3, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well stated...
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Boston Globe
According to his agent, Gregg Clifton, Mulder has thrown from 230 feet and will get back on a mound next week in St. Louis. From there he will slowly work his way back, likely making a few rehab starts in June. The Cardinals have been extra cautious with Mulder, but his presence is needed to boost a staff on which four of the five starters were in the bullpen a year ago.
In other news, Sweet Lou is suspended indefinently.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes mechanics.....
by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dyar Miller
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New front office...
Miller
Lunhow
There are some guy that will be able to lead a younger team.
It's time for the old guard to go. They are stale.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must have gotten stale fast
I'm sure it is the front offices fault that Chris Carpenter, Josh Kinney, Mark Mulder, Scott Rolen, Jim Edmonds, Juan Encarnacion, Preston Wilson, David Eckstein and Chris Duncan all became injured or took longer to recover from injury than expected.
Not to mention, Albert Pujols has started this season NOT the most dominate hitter in baseball, but merely 'above average'.
You can't turn to them and say "This is the team you built, they stink" because the team they built is:
Eckstein SS
Duncan LF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Rolen 3B
Encarnacion RF
Molina C
Kennedy 2B
Speizio
Bennett
Taguchi
Wilson
Miles
Carpenter
Mulder
Wainwright
Looper
Reyes
Hancock
Thompson
Kinney
Flores
Johnson
Franklin
Izzy
That 25-man roster, healthy, wouldn't be 7 games below .500.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Don't get me wrong, for the most part I supported the off-season roster moves- both the ones we made and ones we did not. And to an extent I think the decline of this team was unavoidable after the '04 series defeat, but after last season it seemed clear to me that at best we had a slightly above average team.
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zubin
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's now at 738
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drop offs
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just
I think the only predicatable drop off could have been Edmonds (but he's showing plenty of signs of returning to normal).
Enc should be putting up similar stats but he's dealt with injuries.
As for Rolen, read what Azru wrote.
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, we knew about J'Enc's wrist
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did...
They ARE NOT the juggernaut they were in years past. Let us not forget this team won 83 games last year. Yes, they had a great run, but it is over.
Let me ask you this. Do you think Larussa, with his affection for old grizzled vets, Duncan, with his poor track record with young pitchers, and Jocketty, whose MO is to trade young player for vets, are the guys to lead this team through a rebuilding process that obviously must be done? Can you possibly claim that? I think not.
Don't give me the BS about injuries either. They happen to EVERY team. Yes, it was the front offices fault that they got no legitimate OF depth when they knew full well that Edmonds would be recovering and Enc would not be ready. Yes, it is the front offices fault that they gave a 3 year contract to an obviously declining 2B only because it was perceived to be a value. They KNEW Mulder wouldn't be ready until the AS break at best. Yes, it is the front offices fault that they are so set in their ways they won't accept change.
I'll say it again...they are stale and it's time for a change. Thanks for the great run, but you guys ARE NOT the best choices for us moving forward.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love 50 game sample sizes
Remember, the team fell apart last year when Edmonds, Pujols and Mulder got injured. As was said through the entire final stretch getting to the playoffs, "this isn't an 83 win team." Injuries cost the Cardinals their fair share of wins last year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Hardcore...
There are a lot of teams with good YOUNG talent; Oak and Minn come to mind. They have great farm systems and develop their talent. One thing though, they haven't won a WS in awhile. In fact, neither team has BEEN to a WS in awhile.
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
50 game sample sizes...
BTW, I still think this team has a good chance at the playoffs. Thank god for the NL Central right?
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a season? 50 is a decent enough sample
I know there is sentiment that we need to rebuild, but the team is already doing that. They are getting younger and they appear to be 'bridging' decently so that a productive product is being put on the field.
Would this team be where they are right now if Chris Carpenter wasn't injured? Since going down, his spot in the rotation has produced:
Thompson
3-1
5 starts
30 IP
36 Hits
14 ER
10 Ks
4 BBs
Keisler
0-0
3 starts
14.1 IP
17 Hits
9 ER
5 SO
4 BB
Combined
3-1
8 Starts
44.1 IP
53 Hits
23 ER
15 Ks
8 BBs
1.38 WHIP
4.69 ERA
I think that it may preach to this teams depth that after losing their ace and demoting their 3rd best pitcher, they've been able to patch holes and remain 6 games under .500 after 50 games.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would probably be....
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Like Roy Oswalt, Chris Carpenter is the Cardinals 'stopper' or the guy they throw against good teams to give them a shot in series against better teams.
The point is that people can say the team was poorly constructed or is too old, but in honesty, they have been hit with a bunch of timely injuries that have weakened them.
With the way things are looking now, barring any more significant injuries, everyone will be getting healthy just after the All-Star break. Getting 2 good pitchers back (3 if Reyes turns it around) and booting Wells from the rotation will, in my mind, put this team in a position to beat just about anyone in a series sans maybe the Mets, Braves and Padres.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We do agree it's time for Wells to go.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 4, 2007 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup
Spiezio 3B
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Encarnacion RF
Ludwick LF
Bennett C
Ryan 2B
Looper P
I miss Rolen.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I miss Pujols
by cloistermaximus on Jun 3, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then...
by sgfcards on Jun 3, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget where the cardinals need the most help
by cloistermaximus on Jun 3, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The win now beast
You echoed my thoughts for the past week. I hate to say it but I almost perfer the Cardinals to drop out of the race this year and focus on building a young team that can compete next year or 2009.
As far as Reyes goes, I think everyone ignores the elephant in the room. Even if its not the sinker, Reyes needs a third pitch. A good (not great) fastball, a change and a absolute joke of a curve ball just won't cut it in the bigs.
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes' Curveball...
I agree, although it doesn't need to be a great pitch, he does need one more thing to help keep hitter honest. A splitter?
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've read
by erik on Jun 3, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read the same
Maybe the tinkering has something to do with this as well. There is no doubt in my mind that having the two seamer forced onto him has had a direct effect on both his 4 seamer and change...maybe the curveball as well?
I just find it funny that as soon as DD isn't around he suddenly reverts to his "old self".
Most telling for me. He got through 7 innings while throwing 98 pitches....hmmm.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson news:
Wilson has swelling in the knee and treatment has done nothing to alleviate the condition. "He's clearly at the point where he needs to consider something surgical," Dr. George Paletta said. Wilson planned to consult with noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. Richard Steadman soon for a second opinion.
Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch
Anyone else think Preston was told to sit the bench or you are going to get DFA. It was obvious he was not helping the team on the field, but he seems like a nice guy who got along with everyone. It would be a win win for both parties as Wilson just does not have it anymore.
by El Hombre on Jun 3, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DLing someone who's...
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure
by El Hombre on Jun 3, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone really "worried"
by Stanfan6 on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one....
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for anyone who takes an intrest in the draft
by El Hombre on Jun 3, 2007 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love
by cyko42 on Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to 10-Run Sunday!
by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love 426 foot outs
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there is no other hill like that in baseball...
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That second pitch was a strike?
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jay Randolph's problem with Minute Maid
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, finally seeing the replay of the Lee HR
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee 2007: too slow to run out infield singles
Enjoy that contract Houston.
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drilling him in the elbow
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the way
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper's pitches are looking
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 pitches, 2 outs
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did anyone elses
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mine did too
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes..
by cardsrul on Jun 3, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we're back
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to work the pitch count, Ryan!
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If i see a fat pitch over the plate
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Braves just got jobbed
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded 1 out
But since it hit Ramirez, dead ball, Ramirez out and Jones credited with a single but all baserunners must stay put. Bases still loaded, 2 outs and DeRosa hits a Grand Slam.
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On any given day
by JI on Jun 3, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another nice inning by Looper
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where was that ball hit to
by Pujols Is A God on Jun 3, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
399 feet
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you Enc.
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joo-wan
by DanUpBaby on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Jennings is awful
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have him than Wells
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard hit shots all around!
by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ludwig seems to like Minute Maid Park
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or getting to play everyday
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick and Bennett both hit doubles
by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love the socks
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan
by stltrav09 on Jun 3, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
would that annoying woman
by cyko42 on Jun 3, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm just waiting...
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For anybody watching the Houston feed
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
annoyed
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how the Vote Astros banner
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I already want to buy domestic, you tools, stop botching the sale. ("Please don't taaake my sunshine aWAAAAAAY!")
by DanUpBaby on Jun 3, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have pong noises now.
by JI on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is our country
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I usually listen to the radio feed...
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice turn by the kid...
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'MON ADAM!!! WOOOOOOO!!!
by JI on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm, so, Edmonds is back.
by JI on Jun 3, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kelly stinnett.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 3, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kelly Stinnett (C) has been acquired...
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ha, i noticed that too.
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kelly stinnett for a sack o cash
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 3, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably not
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling that Gary Bennett will be our
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"How'd you hit the ball that far"
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat ironically,
by the way, J-Rod hit another homer in the 1st inning
by stltrav09 on Jun 3, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Pence the new Cardinal killer?
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, Reyes for Pence...
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, please
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang!
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Rasmus...
Their lines from the Texas League (06 for Pence, 07 for Rasmus) are very similar... Rasmus is just a couple years younger, and of course he's losing 1-0 in DWIs...
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish they'd show us who that crazy
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brad Thompson = Chris Carpenter Jr?
Hmm...why? Just because he can get groundballs?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
has anyone here ever caught a foul ball?
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was...
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Bigbie sighting!
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's actually
by outraged on Jun 3, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols and the hill
by DCGreg on Jun 3, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I threw
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Low five.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to hustle, Juan
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Double play would be nice.
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about throwing it away to 3rd
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berkman, bases loaded
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn, dropped the ball.
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Rolen was playing,
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't Speezer
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Loretta
by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
9-6 Force Out
by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume you're trying to take a shot at Enc
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's been said
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the game is tied.
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols 3rd HR of the day
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Albert hasn't been Albert this year
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's not much logic applied to a
Plus, he's demolished two balls today already.
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's the Albert
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
finally got that aim down
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
by cardsrul on Jun 3, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was Pujols' shortest fly ball
I hope Franklin is going back out, not Russ Springer.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and then for Pence
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to it.
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
son of a...
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn... I was in the other room
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So who is going to get us this lead back?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a good feeling
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure there's a good reason
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
List of players I wish scurvy upon:
- Juan E
- Juan E
- Ripped Wells
by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to make a road trip down to Houston
- rent backhoe, level hill
- start fire to Crawford boxes
- gag the crazy yelling woman behind home plate
by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Enron/Minute Maid..
Why punish someone who hits it 420 feet to center while rewarding lazy fly balls to left?
Houstonians are such Philistines. Leave to them to try to manufacture quirkiness.
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bench
I'd assume Miles is? I just don't think I want to see Brendan Ryan hit again.
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He only gets 3 at bats?
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, guys?
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone know
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
by tripleacabs on Jun 3, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bleh
by tripleacabs on Jun 3, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bennett homers to win the game....
by tripleacabs on Jun 3, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have this ugly feeling that Izzy
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wheew
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now what?
Springer for the 11th and 12th
TJ to close, if needed
Jimenez for the 14th and on
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we could probably use
by jojo5492 on Jun 3, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick
I like the idea of going to izzy here...
by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6 pitch 1-2-3 inning
by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The anouncer talking about, pitch to contact
by DriverZn on Jun 3, 2007 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder how many
by punchinjudy on Jun 3, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when did billy wagner
by jojo5492 on Jun 3, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sooooooooooooooo long!
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gooch!
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Freakin Taguchi...
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Taguchi
Astros announcers seem personally insulted that he homered.
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He seems to have the swagger back also
by DriverZn on Jun 3, 2007 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boom!
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess Pujols is trying to break all
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 3, 2007 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's 4 HRs for Albert today
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
and they just showed Scott Rolen up and walking without a limp in the dugout...
here come the cardinals, tra-la-la-la-la!!!
by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Wheeler just get "Lidged"?
Way to go, AP!
by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Any other park and Pu' would be 5/5
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4/5 with 4 hr's
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 3, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy sh**!!!!
by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are we still last in homers and extra base hits?
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright Izzy,
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did our screaming lady go?
by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at least it was a solo shot
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols owns the Stros bullpen...
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh God!
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To a guy without a homer this year
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing we got the AP insurance bomb
by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did the stro's anouncers just call
by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I literally despise that damn ball park.
by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what is the weather like there?
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one more out...
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is he pitching around him?
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tying runs on base....
by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
omg
by samael88 on Jun 3, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In fairness, he isn't expected to pitch 2 innings
by DriverZn on Jun 3, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he had to sit for what
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys
I hate that damn park.
by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if..
by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the most negative person
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 3, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't even blow a save...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 3, 2007 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that supposed to make sense?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 3, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you meant everyone calling for Izzy's
Now that he is healthy, he is being dominate Izzy again.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to that I would add
I'm still not convinced he is back 100%, but he's certainly the best guy for the job right now on this team.
by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a winner!
by samael88 on Jun 3, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yikes
by madding on Jun 3, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes...
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i mean
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy that Izzy...
by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was hilarious
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
izzy basically got the win and the save
by willievinceterry on Jun 3, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good sunday game
by Johnny64 on Jun 3, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the first time this season
Should I be hopeful again?
3 - Cincy - H
3 - Angels - H
3 - Royals - A
3 - Oakland - A
3 - Royals - H
Should I hope for 2 wins against Reds, 3 wins against Angels/Oakland combined, and 4 or 5 against the Royals?
That'd give the Cardinals a 9 - 6 record over that stretch and set them up at 33-36.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll predict (hope?)...
8-7 (best case 10; worst case 6)
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jun 3, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels/A's
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 3, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
But yeah, let's just take it one series at a time. We get to face Shrek tomorrow!
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
by Mr Redbird on Jun 3, 2007 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it a little silly
by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't change the past
Looking a few series ahead always makes a loss or a win, for me, have perspective. If I set a goal for what I think the Cardinals should do over a stretch, as long as that is still possible, a blow out like Saturday doesn't sting as much.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can it please be the 2 games I have tickets for?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 3, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First recognition of Cardinals recent play
That's just about how I feel right now too.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Highlights on BBTN
by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I'm very disappointed by it
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing
I'm sorry, but until the Yankees get back into at least 3rd place, rivalry or not, there is no excuse for them to be a top story. They flat out should not be on the headlines of ESPN. That simple.
by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Young
Anyone else ever seen anybody who can spit out more cliches than this guy.
by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not with a goatee like that
by Alxfritz on Jun 3, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still take him as our second baseman...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 3, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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