whither walter
re the reports of jocketty's imminent departure from st louis by peter gammons last night: i didn't hear anything new in what he said. the fact the gammons has lent his imprimatur to the rumor is new, but the substance of what he said --- the cards' front office is divided, jocketty sees the writing on the wall, he might bolt --- is the same thing that has been in circulation for more than a month. writing back on may 17 about the status of la russa and jocketty, bernie miklasz opined:
i don't know where to fit jc corcoran into all this; he claimed to have inside info yesterday, but i didn't hear his remarks. he's got no track record with cardinal-related scoops, so i neither trust nor distrust him on this issue; it's just more noise that's out there. the fact that gammons is now talking about it makes the situation seem more real --- more urgent, more immediate --- but i don't think he has any new information. this is just another variation on an angle that has been in the ether since last september, when jock loyalist bruce manno got elbowed aside to make room for jeff luhnow. the post-dispatch team noted the significance of the front-office shuffle at that time, and they have continued to monitor the situation ever since --- and the situation has been evolving in a direction that makes jocketty's departure increasingly likely.
i think the world of jocketty. he's a class act, and he's got a very good presence --- steady, patient, level-headed. i respect the guy. his record, obviously, speaks for itself --- he has been one of the very best gms in baseball over the last decade. so if he does decide to leave, it'll be a sad day for the organization. but like everyone in this business, walt's got his strengths and his weaknesses. the game is changing rapidly, particularly in a gm's two main areas of influence --- economics and player evaluation. it might be that his way of doing business is less well-suited to the years ahead than it was to the years behind. his departure at the end of this season would create an enormous deal of uncertainty about the future; but if he stays for another year, there'll still be uncertainty --- it'd just be a different kind. we'd be asking: has walt lost his touch?
he has been the st louis gm for more than a decade; very few gms, even successful ones, last any longer than that in one job. whether he leaves after this year or stays through the end of his current contract, it looks almost certain at this point that jocketty's days in st louis are numbered.
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big article in the post-dispatch this morning about rick ankiel. derrick goold had mentioned in his blog that the article was forthcoming, so i took advantage of the off-day yesterday to catalogue ankiel's 19 homers. i wanted to know: is he hitting them off legitimate big-league-type pitchers, or are they mostly coming against career minor-league bums? without further ado (stats are current-year PCL numbers, as of this morning):| date | pitcher | w-l | era | hr/9 | mlb exp? |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| april 10 | phil humber | 7-5 | 4.87 | 1.3 | y |
| april 12 | clint nageotte | 1-1 | 10.38 | 2.6 | y |
| april 14 | alfredo simon | 3-6 | 6.53 | 1.3 | n |
| april 16 | jon koronka | 5-4 | 4.70 | 1.1 | y |
| april 18 | jon adkins | 1-2 | 4.01 | 1.6 | y |
| april 23 | dewon brazelton | 0-4 | 7.11 | 1.4 | y |
| april 24 | ben hendrickson | 6-4 | 5.48 | 1.2 | y |
| may 4 | nic ungs | 2-3 | 6.11 | 1.8 | n |
| may 10 | jonathan rouwenhorst | 6-2 | 4.35 | 0.9 | n |
| may 28 | jared gothreaux | 4-5 | 5.38 | 1.5 | n |
| may 31 | jalien peguero | 3-2 | 1.69 | 1.1 | y |
| june 7 | chris george | 5-5 | 4.26 | 0.9 | n |
| june 8 | jeff fulchino | 5-2 | 6.04 | 1.2 | y |
| june 10 | chris young | 0-1 | 3.96 | 1.1 | n |
| june 15 | ryan o'malley | 3-7 | 7.29 | 2.1 | y |
| june 16 | jr mathes | 6-4 | 5.33 | 1.2 | n |
| june 16 | rocky cherry | 1-0 | 7.54 | 1.6 | y |
| COMPOSITE | 53-57 | 5.40 | 1.3 | -- |
ankiel has homered off 17 different pitchers --- he hit two apiece vs mathes and gothreaux. 10 of those guys have appeared at least once on a major-league mound.
before you judge the list too harshly --- it's not very impressive, is it --- don't forget that the pcl is a hitters' league: of the league's 48 era qualifiers, only 8 have an era below 4.00. due to the changing nature of triple A, there aren't a whole lot of prospects in the league to begin with; it's mostly a big-league-depth circuit now, a randy keisler / edgar gonzalez / tagg bozied league. the majority of any hitter's at-bats are going to come against guys who are too old to be prospects (ie, they're at least 25) but still haven't stuck in the big leagues. accordingly, the majority of one's home runs are bound to come against journeymen of that type.
such is the case with ankiel. the only pitchers on the list who have much chance to last for any length of time as major-league pitchers are humber and koronka. perhaps peguero should also be on that list; i never heard of him until this morning. he put up good numbers at tucson, and he's currently pitching in the arizona diamondbacks' bullpen and holding his own. hendrickson and brazelton both have already had decent-sized big-league trials, which they failed (brazelton was sent back to double A not long ago); cherry spent about a month in the cubs' bullpen earlier this year and even threw a perfect inning against the cardinals the day josh hancock died.
so what's my point here? only that ankiel may still have a ways to go before he is able to do damage against major-league pitchers. when he's not taking the bulk of his at-bats against the jr matheses, alfredo simons, and nic ungs of the baseball world --- the guys who are getting knocked around at triple A --- his tremendous power may not assert itself sufficiently to overcome his lax strike-zone judgment. or maybe that should be the other way around: his lax strike-zone judgment may prevent the power from asserting itself against big-league pitching. you can post gaudy hr totals at triple a just by hitting mistake pitches, but the mistakes are fewer and farther between in the big leagues --- you've got to force them to come to you.
in the post-dispatch, ankiel says: "I want to go up there and stay there and play for years. I don't want this to be a novelty where people say, 'Wow, look, he made it back' and then I go away." if he's gonna avoid that, i think he's gotta learn to be more selective at the plate, draw a few more walks and get himself out slightly less often. let's hope ankiel makes the necessary adjustments.
p.s.: here's some vintage b/w film footage of stan musial playing baseball --- can't be sure, but i think the home run at the end of the clip was the walkoff clout that won the 1955 all-star game at county stadium in milwaukee. isn't that willie mays (#24) greeting him as he gets to home plate?
and here's a funny take on the steroid scandal.
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If Ankiel wants
by cardsrul on Jun 22, 2007 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really believe that?
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 22, 2007 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think TLR is one of the best
If you said they don't like to play rookies or J-Rod, I might agree with that a little more but the fact that Ankiel has been here before and TLR had the confidence in him to do well as a converted outfielder tells me he plans to use him when he's ready. Not to mention they signed him to a new contract in the offseason.
Maybe you're right though, maybe he will be an eventual trading chip, but couldn't we use those all the same?
by gibbons on Jun 22, 2007 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say you're 100% wrong
by _pistol_ on Jun 22, 2007 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was fortunate enough
When some writer asked Stan in 1964 if he regretted retiring the year prior, he replied, "If I'd been on the team, we wouldn't have won the pennant, because then we wouldn't have traded for Lou Brock!"
He remains "the most parfait knight in all the realm" of baseball!
by The Ol Goaler on Jun 22, 2007 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stuff like that
I wish MLB would get off their butts and put their Digital Download service and Baseball's Best service back in action and give us more footage like this.
On Stan, he looked about as cordinated as Chris on that catch at Wrigley.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2007 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother with their digital download service
by outraged on Jun 22, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a program
Google DRM remover, etc.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbearable....
My problem isn't that he's necessarily feasting on bad pitchers, he's got legit power, no doubt about it. After watching him play though, he's exerting max effort on every swing and practically screwing himself into the ground. Its not smooth, its not compact, its an all or nothing swing.
This probably contributes to the high K rate.
by Brock20 on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday on ESPN 2
by gibbons on Jun 22, 2007 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel
Now, Ankiel comes along and provides the power in the minors everyone seems to expect in order to accept them at the major-league level and fans now predict he wouldn't make it, at least not if he were called up right now.
I'm not urging one way or the other as I have faith the coaches/organization will call him up when he's ready and the club is ready (with a position for him to actually get in playing time). I do think fans should be more optimistic though as it seems as though people expect guys like this to fail. I know Ank has a history, but I'd encourage giving the guy (and the organization) a second chance and benefit of the doubt.
by jomfa on Jun 22, 2007 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel has had a .300+ ISO for a good
by azruavatar on Jun 22, 2007 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that...
by whopperman on Jun 22, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One other thing....
Anyway, Stan the Man makes the cut for underrated and he all but says that he's the most underrated player of all time.
The funny thing in that video is the catch that is called approvingly, "circus catch" by the announcer would be torn apart today as bad fielding.
Still a great player, a great gentleman, and an ambassador for this team. Him and Jack Buck define the Cardinals for 90% of fans.
by Brock20 on Jun 22, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
homers
That's not a vote for him as a can't-miss; I'm just wondering if there's really anything in those numbers that's usable. I would suspect that there's going to be an adjustment for Ankiel when he gets up to STL, of course, but it's going to be an adjustment that all hitters have had to deal with.
by m16t on Jun 22, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very True
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 22, 2007 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
points well taken m16t
by lboros on Jun 22, 2007 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also very true
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 22, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely cosign this
He needs to learn how to hit lefties, hit the breaking ball, and how to be consistent. And his K/BB ratio needs to get down.
There's no doubt the guy is at least a 3-4 tool guy. He has the plus-plus power and the arm. The guy has big-league talent.
One thing's for sure: I would not bet against him being a star.
by silent_bob on Jun 22, 2007 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"How to hit lefties"?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 22, 2007 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hardest ball he hit Wednesday night
by chuckb on Jun 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
by m16t on Jun 22, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 22, 2007 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While I agree...
He also has a reverse split this season, and apparently doesn't take any pitches from LHPing.
I am really excited to see what he can do. It is unreal that one person can have that much God-given talent.
by cardzfanbub on Jun 22, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I was probably confusing him with our other stud minor-leaguer named Colby.
by silent_bob on Jun 22, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Jocketty is 1 of the 2 best GMs
by sdrone on Jun 22, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
John Shuerholtz (Spelling)?
At least that's one I've always heard.
by cardzfanbub on Jun 22, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how you spell his name either.......
by jillsinmo on Jun 22, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Atlanta
Dave
by Sydney dave on Jun 22, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, gang, Patience!
I'm convinced (at least in my own mind) that the Cardinals see him as a potential regular... they don't want him to come to St. Louis and sit the bench. He (obviously) needs work on his strike-zone judgement... the same adjustment that Chris Duncan had to make (and continues to make).
And as far as Walt's concerned... he's under contract through 2008. Who knows what will happen by then? Walt may get a raise; he may get the go-ahead to "go get" a free agent, despite the "bump" in payroll that would cause. He might just retire... Lord knows, this season has been utterly frustrating; but there's still a lot of year left!
I suspect all of us... fans, players, and management... would be a lot less frustrated had we had Chris Carpenter available this season.
These days, 24/7 news coverage seems to require a "crisis" every day; I'd be amazed if Walt bailed before the end of the season; I'd be surprised if he left at the end of 2007, unless he took another (better-paying) job... but clubs with better opportunities re: payroll, ability to compete, etc., are rare. I don't see Walt going to the Yankees, for example... and clubs such as Boston, the Mets, the White Sox, and the Dodgers seem to be happy with their GMs at this point.
by The Ol Goaler on Jun 22, 2007 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Ankiel?
Any new GM/manager without the ties (or guilt) of any past experiences with Ankiel would be well served to shop him for some pitching help.
by pitchout487 on Jun 22, 2007 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
by silent_bob on Jun 22, 2007 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by JMedwick on Jun 22, 2007 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man crush...
by cardzfanbub on Jun 22, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the thing about Jock's recent failures
If our rotation stood opening day, with all these pitchers healthy (and there is no reason to believe they won't be):
Chris Carpenter
Mark Buehrle
Mark Mulder
Adam Wainwright
Anthony Reyes
wouldn't people, a season removed from talking about our debacle of a rotation, be saying "Wow, look at this rotation that Jocketty built".
Walt's failures, I imagine, are mostly based on the willingest of ownership to spend money. In hindsight, would giving Renteria that extra year been that bad of an idea?
I'm all for Lunhow taking 3 or 4 years and buildin up the minor leagues and the prospect talent pool. THEN he can take over if he has successfully rebuilt the farm system. Just leave AAA and St. Louis to Walt and let him take our core guys and reload.
By 2009, the lineup should look:
LF Duncan
1B Pujols
3B Rolen
CF Rasmus
C Molina
RF Ankiel
2B Kennedy
7 of the 9 lineup spots are filled as of now, unless upgrades can be found. He's not got alot of holes to fill. Need another power bat and probably a 2B.
I just get angry when teams take winning for granted. When you're no longer hungry enough to make moves to make the team better TOMORROW then you deserve decade long playoff droughts, etc. I'm not saying at the expense of the future, however.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2007 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Bryan Anderson?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 22, 2007 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009
What to do with Yadi?
by silent_bob on Jun 22, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
So if Tony/Dunc leave, who would you all want to replace him?
My candidates are:
- Pendleton
- Oquendo
- Girardi
by silent_bob on Jun 22, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it must be,
As for pitching coach, got me--as long as it's NOT Larry Rothchild.
by rockin redbird on Jun 22, 2007 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's this for depressing?
Carpenter
Haren
Ankiel
Wainwright
Reyes
I think I just shed a tear.
by Jhusk on Jun 22, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, there's no need
(Although I can never get the Carlton trade out of my mind, either.)
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 22, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could of beens
by SprfldCards on Jun 22, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly different take
Maybe they won't go for the Buehrle trade now with the acquisition of Maroth.
by Solanus on Jun 22, 2007 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think either way
And I'm glad.
Take the chance to re-sign him at the end of the year.
by silent_bob on Jun 22, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think WJ leaving
If I were king I'd say sign Jock to a five year extension (and La Russa too).
I agree you from the other thread that the new ballpark may turn out to be DeWitt's catchall excuse to do whatever he feels like doing.
by nota bene on Jun 22, 2007 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the
It may very well be the end of the "LaJocketty" era in St. Louis, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. The run has been great, and while this season is certainly a disappointment--I hope Walt sticks around for his final contract year. I'd like to see him get one more chance at a decent offseason with this core of vets and guys like Ankiel and Rasmus coming up the pipe . TLR--meh. I've been a big fan, in fact, I'm one of the few I know who liked him since day one. However, it may very well be time for him to move along. Is his partnership with Jock such that Jock won't stay if Tony leaves? Well, if that's the case then there's little that can be done.
At my age (47), I find myself more afraid of the great unknown and far less trusting of the probable payoffs of change for the sake of change. I guess this is only natural. It happens to the most adventurous of us over time. I'd love to say I want to see the board wiped clean and a new era of Cardinals baseball begin--the sooner the better, in fact. But I just can't. I think a new manager might be a good thing, but I still find myself wanting to trust Jock as the behind the scenes wizard of success. I know that regardless of what I want, change will inevitably come--I've lived thru many uncertain regime changes already, but this is where the fear of the unknown comes in: I don't want to wait another 20 years for another World Series victory. I believe Jock knows how to work successfully within the unique frame of St. Louis baseball, and while the Central is still what it is and while our core-team is what it is, I can see Jock having yet more success at getting our boys to October.
Change. Ug. It has to be, but maybe not just yet. The young man I was would be thrilled at the idea. The old man I'm becoming says, "Slow down. Why mess with has worked for a decade?" Hope you younger, more adventurous types are correct. I think you're all about to get what you want--either next season or '09. Too fast for me, but maybe it is exactly what must happen to push this team to glory in the future. Or maybe we're in for a decade of flux that does result in another stretch like the 70's or '90's. Maybe that has to be too. Only time will tell. But if the "LaJocketty" era is over, all I can say to Walt and Tony is "THANKS!! You guys masterminded one hell of a decade of great baseball. Live long and prosper."
by rockin redbird on Jun 22, 2007 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is something to be said
I've grown accustom to seeing TLR sulk in the dugout, Jocketty recline in the upstair suites, and Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen be penciled in the Opening Day starting lineup every year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2007 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, Stan could never have
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 22, 2007 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duh...
by rockin redbird on Jun 22, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND Andy Messersmith...
by CurtFlood on Jun 22, 2007 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was almost traded
For Robin Roberts, I believe. And I can't remember the year off the top of my head. Seems like it was the late '50's.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 22, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right
"Along about 1956 Frank Lane, the Cardinals' general manager at the time, proposed to trade me to the Phillies for Roberts, even up."
Stan said he told Lane he wanted to stay in St. Louis. Plus, I don't think Roberts would have would have agreed, either; in his book he said he grew up a Cubs fan.
Stan speaks fondly of Roberts and has a great deal of respect for him, as the league's best hitter might for the league's best pitcher.
by 26thMan on Jun 22, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 22, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Musial could have left, and almost did.
by flynn on Jun 22, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a Valatan-esque mood right now
Give me back something that I never knew I had.
And I sit... and watch shit go by.
by Alxfritz on Jun 22, 2007 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals Get Maroth
by Cardinal70 on Jun 22, 2007 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing Yet
by Cardinal70 on Jun 22, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by ncgostl on Jun 22, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
infamous
by sdesserman on Jun 22, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad pickup
Still, hope we didn't give up too much -- isn't he a FA at the end of the year?
by tdawg on Jun 22, 2007 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is a FA
by pitchout487 on Jun 22, 2007 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think he has one more arb year
by mikedallas23 on Jun 22, 2007 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch to contact guys are
by jillsinmo on Jun 22, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recall that they were looking for LH bullpen
by CardFaninVA on Jun 22, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking TJ too.......
by jillsinmo on Jun 22, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maroth
by ncgostl on Jun 22, 2007 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Free agent at the end of the year, low K rate, sky-high hit rate, allows a homer every 5 innings,,
worst of all, away from Comerica Park, his career ERA is 5.25, and has been way higher than his home ERA every year of his career...
by salvomania on Jun 22, 2007 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was J-Rod
by pitchout487 on Jun 22, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maroth/Thames for...
That's what I've been seeing.
by WastedTalent on Jun 22, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 22, 2007 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops...
by WastedTalent on Jun 22, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thames is one player
by jillsinmo on Jun 22, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking like
at least that's what some are saying that Detroit radio is saying.
Maybe it's Tommy Herr.
by Harknights on Jun 22, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
J-Rod and Dennis Dove
by pitchout487 on Jun 22, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dove
by CardFaninVA on Jun 22, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Matthew Leach...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 22, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My buddy
by rockin redbird on Jun 22, 2007 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Olney's chimed in...
by WastedTalent on Jun 22, 2007 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
STL.com.....
by Timbo02 on Jun 22, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maroth has to be better than Kip Wells
Anything that tries to improve us is okay in my book.
by ibby001 on Jun 22, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what a BP chat said about PTBNL trades:
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Conor Glassey (Woodinville, WA): Hi Joe - Can you please explain how PTBNL trades generally work? Does a player's performance determine the level of the PTBNL? Obviously he won't continue hitting .350/.458/1.100, but are the Padres going to get a better player than they would have because Jack Cust is playing like an MVP for the A's?
Joe Sheehan: Probably a better question for Keith Law, but my understanding is that the teams generally agree on a pool of players, a short list, and the pick gets made by a certain time. I don't believe the PTBNL can be affected by the performance, after the fact, of the traded player.
by mikedallas23 on Jun 22, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Jock
by cardsrul on Jun 22, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Dove sounds like the best fit...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 22, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You think so?
by Timbo02 on Jun 22, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in light of
i'm also curious if ptbnl can be players...
by sdesserman on Jun 22, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the P-D:
Maybe he can just pitch BP and teach our lineup how to hit soft-tossing lefties?
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