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Game 67 Open Thread: June 18, 2007, 7:10 CDT

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GAME TIME 7:10 CDT

by now you've probably heard that edmonds and looper have both gone to the DL, with troy cate and skip schumaker being recalled. i can understand the various reasons why they didn't bring up ankiel --- they don't have an option on him, he's still learning, they want him playing every day. but what the hell does john rodriguez have to do to get a call? he's slumped the last week, yes --- 4 for his last 29 --- but even taking that into account, his june OPS is .924, and since may 1 it is well over 1.000. he could credibly step into the st louis lineup batting 2d, with duncan dropping down to edmonds' accustomed slot at #4 or #5, and the lineup wouldn't miss a beat; on the contrary, it'd probably improve. against right-handers encarnacion would play center, flanked by duncan and j-rod; vs lefties juan'cion would slide back over to right, with gooch in center and ludwick or duncan in left.

schumaker admittedly had a nice month down at memphis, but his career minor-league OPS is .729, which is consistent with his career big-league OPS of .546 in a small sample size. rodriguez has a career minor-league ops of .833 and career big-league OPS of .812 (also small sample). this is not an insignificant decision; whoever comes up is likely to get lots of playing time. i think they're calling up the wrong guy.

the royals are 8-4 against national league competition this year and have won all 4 series, 2 games to 1. they've scored 91 runs in the 12 games, or 7.6 runs per. 9 of those 12 games were at home, however, and the royals' hitters are a far more productive group at the K:

avg obp slg r/g
home .265 .328 .414 4.67
road .246 .320 .368 4.00

meanwhile, the cardinals as a team pitch much better at home than on the road:

era whip hr/9
home 4.60 1.422 0.87
road 5.67 1.474 1.15

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Larry, more to the Edmonds thing
it appears the following is known:
  • Edmonds went to have an MRI on his back and leg today; results not in
  • Edmonds did not know earlier in the day why he was not in lineup
  • Edmonds talked to Walt and Tony, found out he was going to the DL
  • Edmonds says it wasn't so bad because 'we are facing a lot of lefties'
  • LaRussa wants to see Ankiel with the club, but options prohibit it
Now, the rumor being spread by FSN is:
* Skip is being given MLB at-bats as part of a package deal including Reyes with Chicago.

Take it all for what it is worth.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

re the edmonds intrigue
i read all the stuff on the previous thread, but it was very confusing . . . . . hence i didn't comment yet. i'm still perplexed about the sequence of events.

edmonds and la russa have been at odds since last year, and very sharply so this year. i still need to see / hear a little more about this situation before i venture an opinion on it.

by lboros on Jun 18, 2007 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

p.s. --- re the schumaker trade deal
who's spreading that rumor on FSN? just curious . . . .

by lboros on Jun 18, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Pat Paris is filling in on 1380
and is the one spreading it.  

It, like all good rumors do, makes sense as why else would Edmonds have a sudden positive reaction to being DL'd just because 'we are facing a bunch of lefties'.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pre-1990 games on tape
Hey, Hardcore Legend, sorry to threadjack, but reading your signature line, I can set you up with pre-1990 Cardinals games on DVD+R format.  I have quite a few from 1985, some from '86, a few from '87, and a couple from '88.  They're mostly NBC games, some Monday Night Baseball, a handful of Cardinals Network games, and TBS and WGN.

My email is in my profile.  I'm up for trading if you have a list I can take a look at.

by LTSmash on Jun 19, 2007 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buehrle?
Is the idea that Reyes and Schu would be part of a deal for Buehrle, or was it not that specific?

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2007 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or
is it the Cubs and Z man?

by nybirdfan on Jun 18, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calling up Skip
I'm guessing that they called up Schumaker rather than Rodriguez because of their respective defensive skills.  Skip can be used as a defensive substitute and he allows them the option to pinch-hit for Taguchi.

by juggler on Jun 18, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

went to the 2nd and 3rd games at Kaufman
and while I appreciate that the bats have finally woken up, I'd kind of like to see a nice, boring 3-1 Cardinals victory tonight, with no more than 10 hits or so between the two teams and a game time < 3 hrs....getting sick of the AL-style shootouts. A little old school NL ball, with the game decided on a sac fly or something would be good for the nerves....

Of course, I'll take it if they win a 21-14 football game, but whatever....

by nota bene on Jun 18, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I can understand someone wanting
reyes, but i'd package him with a wet pair of socks of skip...might get more
Kelly Stinnett the new power to the cards lineup.

by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

It should be Ankiel
I've already posted on this elsewhere, but not on the case for Rodriguez.  I agree about Schumacher, but Rodrguez does not excite either.  His season has been up and down, marked by extreme peaks and valleys when he isn't on the disabled list.  He's in one of those valleys right now.  As with Schumacher, we pretty much know what he can do, and it isn't really all that much.  Despite the claims that constantly get made for him on this board, Rodriguez is basically another journeyman, a lefthanded-hitting Ludwick.  Ankiel, on the other hand, is showing five-tool talent at Memphis, with 19 home runs and 53 rbi's in less than half a season.  A call-up in September isn't going to be enough to give the team a proper read on him.  Let's give him a shot now, stick him in center field and let him play.  Since the team, in my view, is going nowhere, I would keep him in the majors even when Edmonds returns and see that he gets his share of at bats.  It would at least give the fans something to get excited about.  There's nothing very exciting about Schmacher or Rodriguez or most of the team as presently constituted as far as I'm concerned.

by MikeG on Jun 18, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

exciting, maybe
but if you bring up Ankiel, when Jed comes back, you then have to send Ludwick back down (because Ankiel would have to clear waivers first). That leaves you with very little pop from the right side in the outfield -- So, Enc and Speez (who has much more power from the left, his homer last night notwithstanding).

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2007 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

this may be your point, but
that's all the more reason not to bring Ankiel up. You'd have to expose one of the two of them.

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point
the two guys who lead your AAA team in HRs and SLG % and one of them would have to be released.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the hurry
if the argument is that this year is shot anyway, then let him stay down there and work on his strike-zone judgment. he's got 11 walks vs 54 strikeouts so far at triple A; if he comes up now, he's apt to hit .220 with a .275 on-base percentage and get buried. wouldn't be fair to ankiel.

they can give him another 200 triple A plate appearances, then call him up august 15 or september 1 or whatever and still give him 100 to 150 plate appearances at the big-league level, assuming they're out of the race. get a more accurate read on his skills that way, imho.

by lboros on Jun 18, 2007 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also believe that because of service time
he has to be limited in how many days he is on the MLB roster or else he becomes a FA.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you know the # of days?
I thought he was a FA next year regardless of what we do with him this year

by tdawg on Jun 18, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly
Ankiel will be arbitration eligible and under our control if we offer him arbitration instead of non-tendering him like we did last season. He'll need to make the big-league roster if we offer arbitration.

I'm 99% sure that's the case.

by liam on Jun 18, 2007 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, if we don't call him up at all
I believe he will have 6 years of MiLB service time, giving him the ability to become a FA.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's got...
three full years and 152 days according to Cot... We'll need to offer him arbitration this off-season and put him on the active roster on opening day 2008 if we want to keep him. If we do that and he sticks, he won't be a free agent until the end of 2010.

by guayzimi on Jun 18, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

a .323 OBP
is not exactly a stellar showing on at least one of the five tools.

ankiel's hr total does look really good. but he has to walk more and/or strike out less to be any better than ludwick in the major leagues.

jrod's career mlb OPS is over .800. that would put him third on this team.

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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a tool
OBP may be revealing and even important, but it is not one of the five tools or even a tool.

by MikeG on Jun 18, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

um
"hitting for average" is one of the five tools. and if you know what OBP is, i assume you also know it's far more important than AVG - so when considering the two hitting tools - hitting for average and hitting for power - we should really be talking about OBP and SLG, not AVG and SLG.
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by nycbirdo on Jun 19, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so ignorant
I don't know what 'OPS' means.  
By that I don't mean that I don't understand the significance of the stat... I mean I can't even word out the acronym.

And I guess I am with Casey Stengel on this... to paraphrase, "I don't need no stinkin' number" to tell me if a guy can hit.

by CurtFlood on Jun 18, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

La Russa can be
pissy, yes, but sticking a guy on the DL just because he's fighting with you is not Tony's style. He'd just bench JEd for a couple of weeks.

by cardsrul on Jun 18, 2007 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

How many options does a guy get between AAA-MLB?
Maybe they called Skip up because he has more options available than Rodriguez does, and they don't want to end up in the same situation with him that they find themselves in w/Ankiel?

Just speculating on my part...to be honest, I'm not sure how many options a guy gets, and if they sign him to a new contract, can he get a fresh set of options?  Any answers would be appreciated.

Is this Heaven? No, It's Iowa. I could've sworn this was Heaven.

by TedGlover on Jun 18, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

it's a misleading expression
There's not actually a limit on the number of times a guy can be optioned -- there's a limit on the number of years during which he can be optioned. (More specifically, a player can spend parts of only three years being the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man roster before he is ``out of options.'') Schu is still in an option year so he can be sent back and forth. Ankiel is past the option phase of his career and can't be sent down without clearing waivers.

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, DC!
I knew Ank had to clear waivers, but do you really think there would be someone that would put in a claim for him?  It would seem to be a big gamble by someone.
Is this Heaven? No, It's Iowa. I could've sworn this was Heaven.

by TedGlover on Jun 18, 2007 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

um, yes.
a team like our opponents tonight would take a shot at him, i'd imagine.
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And...
As I understand it, a player only has four seasons in which to use those three years.  So theoretically, you could go back and forth two years, stay up all of your third year, and then for the fourth year you could go back and forth again.

by whopperman on Jun 19, 2007 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Brandon Buckman
thought of as a legit prospect? He's tearing it up in low A ball right now.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Brandon%2520Buckman&pos=1B&sid=mil b&t=p_pbp&pid=502331

by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 18, 2007 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Needs more time in the minors
Caught the Swing on Saturday night.  Brandon was 0-4, but was part of a triple play.  (A triple play is so cool to see in person!)  I realize that I caught him on a bad night (offensively), but I think that he certainly needs more time down in the minors to develop and then he could be good.  I'd say send him to Springfield soon.

by ChiTown CardFan on Jun 18, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some say.....
that though the numbers impress he's garbage because of a below AVG walk rate.

by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 18, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

his power seems real
and he seemed to me to be a solid defender. he could certainly walk more but i think right now he's a C+, B- prospect.

by erik on Jun 18, 2007 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Springfield's isn't hurting for a 1B right now
Even with Mather playing right field, not his natural position, Mike Ferris is hitting fairly well at the moment. First basement and outfielders are the cluttered positions in our organization right now, too.

Speaking of Springfield though, I was at the game last night. Rasmus doesn't seem to be doing so hot right now. His average is back below .260. I've only seen him in two games this season--small sample size, I know--but I've already seen him strike out four times. Granted, strike two of one of his at bats last night was a 360 foot foul ball that was only foul by a few feet, but he didn't look very comfortable.

April avg: .234
May avg: .340
June avg: .156

Do I think he's the future? Yes I do. Do I think the future is now? Nope.

Mather is a bad mamba jamba though. I'm pretty curious to see what happens with him. He showed off his arm last night, nearly throwing a guy out at second from the RF corner. The guy's just huge. He smoked the ball at the plate, too, but hit into some bad luck.

.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jun 18, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry if i confused everyone
about listening live online to espn 1380 in STL.

here is what pat paris and bernie said on his show.

edmonds sometime over the weekend tod the Cards he thought he hurt his upper back overcomsensating for his toe and shoulder. so he asked for an MRI, which was done, but no results in yet.

when edmonds got to the park, the Cards had already DL's him and LOOP. edmonds was pissed, told jim hayes and pat paris of fsn midwest he was pissed because he didn't know why he was being DL's. edmonds then had a meeting with Walt & Tony in Tony's office where pat paris guessed they told edmonds that SKIPPY needs some at bats vs MLB pitching before any one will take him in a trade. pat assumes this because a sourse with the Cards told him the White Sox were one of the clubs scouting Anthony's start yesterday. this sourse would not go on record, so pat couldn't confirm 100% SKIPPY and Anthony are being looked at for a possiable trade to the sox for everyone's fave home town lefty.

after Edmonds was told this, he then told jim heyes he was OK with going on the DL. he understands what's going on and is taking one for the team. he thinks he needs some time off anyway. and the Cards are officially saying they are facing a lot of lefty pitching in the next two weeks, that's why it's the best time for edmonds to go on the DL. they can't or won't confirm what pat said about the possiable trade with the white sox being in the works.

during the fsn pre game show they hope to interview edmonds and get all this cleared up.

bernie says Tony & Edmonds fighting is not a big deal. they love each other, and they always do this every summer. bernie says it wouldn't be a summer in the stl without Tony & Jimmy butting heads. Jimmy is a free spirit SO CAL guy, and Tony is a old school guy. so naturally they will butt heads. but they are fine because deep down they have a great amount of respect for each other.

i hope this helps clear everything up. again, i'm sorry for confusing every one. i was only trying to relay what i was hearing live online.

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by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Odalis Perez
looks like Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Jun 18, 2007 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wainwright's ERA currently sits a 4.66
to get it below 4.00 (3.99), he'd have to pitch 14 straight scoreless innings (starting tonight) or only give up 2 runs over the next 18 innings pitched.

I'd like to see either of those done.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

how about
an inning with an unearned run followed by 13 straight scoreless innings?

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe it wasn't schu the sox were looking at
along w/reyes. maybe they like ankiel..just saying.

skip does seem like their type of player, but the rumors still seems a li'l far-fetched for me. i think the sox can fetch better elsewhere. if they plan on signing buehrle to an extension, it would make since. reyes/schu is not haren/barton/calero part II, IMO, by any stretch.

by erik on Jun 18, 2007 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Why Ankiel?
The scouts were at the Oakland game.  Are you saying that the reason Ankiel was left down was because the White Sox have interest in him?
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought
i read the scouts were watching him in memphis, not oakland. and yeah, that doesn't make much sense, i'm not sure what i was thinking. oh, well.

by erik on Jun 18, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scouts at Memphis
I read that, too, at the Commercial Appeal, I think. I thought the article said the Red Sox had a scout for Reyes' first start down there, but the article has disappeared from the website or else I dreamed it.

by liam on Jun 18, 2007 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was both
however, today's article had him being scouted in OakTown.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What'd they do to Brian Anderson?
He had a nice minor league career, developed a reputation as a very good defensive center fielder (with a converted pitcher's arm), and then he makes it to the majors and turns into sub-Skip material.

My White Sox friends are convinced he didn't get enough playing time in the bigs—one of many reasons they despise OzGui.

(But I've long been a fan of Skip and have thought, perhaps irrationally, that he could develop into a solid line-drive/gap hitter with plus defensive skills.)

by liam on Jun 18, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

As bad as the road trip was at times
Going .500 on the road is always a good thing.  .500 on the road, 2 out of 3 at home gets you in the playoffs.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

In this division going
.500 on the road and 6/10 at home (89 wins) will get you to the playoffs almost for sure.  Moroe likey 11/20 at home and .500 on the road (85 wins) will get you there.

by Zubin on Jun 18, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buehrle-Reyes-Schu makes sense
Buehrle isn't going to fetch as much as people think because to most other clubs, he's a rental.   Reyes is still a fairly top prospect to some teams, and he's cheap.   The Sox have no centerfielder and if you squint a little bit with Skip, you might see Brett Butler.  That fits with the Sox pattern of stockpiling young cheap ready-to-step-in starters like Danks.  That makes the Edmonds DL situation plausible.  The Cards won't trade Ankiel for Buehrle.  If the deal is pulled off sooner than the Edmonds DL stint, the Cards can then call up JRod.

by dancurry on Jun 18, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I am worried
that if there is a deal for Buehrle in the mix Schu and Reyes are just two pieces of the mix and possibly another quality prospect would be going out with them. A guy like Buehrle as a rental is worth a lot to a team that really things they are one piece away from getting some hardware.

by ZiggyG on Jun 18, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

as for...
"a team that really thinks they are one piece away from getting some hardware."....
maybe that's how Cardinal mgt sees it, too... substitute "even make it to the playoffs" for "getting some hardware."
The more realistic view might be that even ONE stable starting pitcher might not be enough, and thus we shouldn't 'pay too much' to acquire Buehrle.  BUT a counter view might be 'you don't get TWO reliable starters until you get the first one'... and maybe they think that Carp is soon to return and HE would be the second one.

I'm too stupid and nervous to know exactly what I would do, if I were Walt & co., but it seems pretty clear that we can't wait around to shore up this very weak rotation.
A 'wait for Carp' policy may be tantamount to kissing off this year.

by CurtFlood on Jun 19, 2007 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if you close your eyes...
Skip is just plain not a major leaguer.  Even his minor league stats aren't very impressive, other than his batting average. No power, doesn't take walks.  In the minors his batting average will probably drop (like it has when he's been given a shot) and he still won't walk much or have power.

Taguchi probably has more trade value than Skip.

by DiscoJer on Jun 18, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The White Sox (while Edmonds is on DL)
play their easiest stretch of games:

3 vs FLA
3 vs CHC
4 vs TB
2 vs KC

If they don't make up ground from being down 10.5 in the Central, 9.5 in the Wild Card a deal could be made.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

speezer
what are the odds he'll play every position this year?

by tomsteele on Jun 18, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

hey, after the guys we've seen...
i wouldn't be surprised if he was a member of the starting rotation by july 15.
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord, Adam...
Your basic job description is to catch and throw the ball.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 18, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Rain delay or not on TV?
FSN Midwest is showing some stupid poker game. Is the game on?

by 26thMan on Jun 18, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It's on FSMW
But blacked out here again in Champaign, IL.

This is getting old. Or my liver is, prematurely.

by liam on Jun 18, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We central Illinoisans
seem to be getting screwed. Damn you, Insight!

Baseball > televised poker

by 26thMan on Jun 18, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, see,
there's no reason for that not to be an earned run. change the rule.
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

ERA
is about pitching, not pitching and defense.

by plh903 on Jun 18, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

begs the question
you're right - but it's just defined that way because it's defined that way.

imho, to the extent that era is taken as a measure of how good a pitcher is, runs that score because of the pitcher's own errors - and that would include wild pitches and balks - would add to, rather than detract from, the value of the statistic and should be included.

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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see the argument,
but I'd rather it reflect pitching ability and not try to muddy the picture with pitcher defensive ability.

ERA is already shitty enough at the former as is, especially in a small sample, and it's not like Wainwright's errors there are all that predictive anyway. It would just make it worse.

by plh903 on Jun 18, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez Albert
No onne is more upset than me that you can't add to your hit total vs. Perez, but at least put the batt on your shoulder, even if they are intentionally walking you.
.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jun 18, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

UGH
the guy throws 17 pitches to 3 batters and gets no outs, and has thrown more balls than strikes.

so encarnacion swings at the first pitch and GIDP, and rolen grounds out on pitch two.

way to work the pitcher, guys.

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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Something tells me
that second run will be earned.
.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jun 18, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

haha ouch
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way he is throwing so far tonight
I have a feeling the 4th and 5th will be as well.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fielder passes Pujols???
FSN just noted that AP was having a June to remember.  But what is the chance of him getting an in the par hr?
Can he really end up being a sub?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jun 18, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The homestand
should give Albert a pretty good shot at overtaking him.

by plh903 on Jun 18, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Royals
Yeah I hate getting spanked by the Royals (last week for 2 games and starting again tonight), but I think this is the first signs of the Royals starting to turn the corner.  Give this team another couple of years and they might be contenders in the AL Central. They have some good young hitters and a fairly new GM that actully knows what he's doing.
 

by KYCards on Jun 18, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I had thought that very same thing....
they have got some really good young players that seem to be turning into decent major leaguers;  they showed patience in developing them at the big league level and they have a bunch of good young arms....they are still young, give 'em time.

by jillsinmo on Jun 18, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
and it's not like they are only beating US.

p.s. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the Royals (after it healed from 1985, that is)

by CurtFlood on Jun 19, 2007 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

When is Bush
going to be fitted with all of the fancy enhanced gameday equipment? I would like to see pitch speed etc.

by ZiggyG on Jun 18, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

perez
is getting quite the wide strike zone tonight...
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

"The offense is repaired"
Yikes.  Getting shut down by Blowdalis Perez.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
has the "blind squirrel"  found a nut?
Kelly Stinnett the new power to the cards lineup.

by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

theres a few royals
who could join the ugly list...
Kelly Stinnett the new power to the cards lineup.

by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

ooh, i just realized
tonight there's actually a chance of the second baseman hitting a homer.

by tomsteele on Jun 18, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

must be dead...
or upset. no "scottie!!!!"'s or "scoro!" or "man that was a shot."

by longhornscardinals on Jun 18, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

upset.
5-2 doesn't get me excited.
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice!
now i'm excited. keep it going boys!
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

walk your dog!!! BOOO!!!!!!!!
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

lest bash the
blind squirrel
Kelly Stinnett the new power to the cards lineup.

by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe i should clarify which
one
Kelly Stinnett the new power to the cards lineup.

by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once the hitting streak is over
can Juan start sitting so that Ludwick AND Duncan can play?
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Very nice, Juan
So good to know we can count on you in key situations to protect El Hombre's back.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 18, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it's shocking - SHOCKING!
that they're walking Pujols knowing they'll have to face Juan.

by BTown Birds fan on Jun 18, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Encarnacion has left 6 men on base
and we aren't even through 6 innings yet.

Sheesh.  I'll take Duncan helplessly hacking at lefties over that ineptitude.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Juan
makes small children cry.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

give odalis credit
he tried really hard to lose...  We just didn't let him.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

i just threw something across the room
rather than disgustedly type obscenities here, as per the community guidelines.

did you know terriers can be thrown across a room?

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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

of course
i was under the assumption that that was the only reason to have one.

by tomsteele on Jun 18, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's funny
I have scared my cats a time or two also

by CurtFlood on Jun 19, 2007 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 great lines
one by madding "juan makes small children cry"

and then by nycbirdo..did you know terriers can be thrown across a room?

Kelly Stinnett the new power to the cards lineup.

by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

do the Cards not know Odalis Effin Perez
is pitching for KC toinght? WTF.

last time i go run errands before a Cards game. after last week, i was almost sure i could miss the first few innings and the Cards would have a lead.

this team killz me. you never know what they are going to do from game to game. this jekyll and hyde crap has gotten really old.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I know this is backwards thinking
But the fact that we've got a starter still in the game in the 7th inning and he's ONLY given up 5 runs has me really excited.

Besides, the Royals have scored nearly 10 runs a game over the past 9, so this is actually half of their current output.

Again, baby steps and small moral victories...

.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jun 18, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Oy
I know that's Rolen's first "official" error of the year, but it seems like he's struggling at the hot corner a lot these days.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 18, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

He's made a lot of great plays this year
the one to end the game last night first in my mind.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least
the bullpen is being spared tonight.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 18, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

true
only the starter is being killed.
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen gets an error on that
because he is Scott Rolen.  I guess when you make a career of scooping that ball out, it becomes expected.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

on the flip side
because he is Scott Rolen, he's been given the benifit of the doubt on about 10 balls hit to him that if almost any other guy is at 3rd, the official scorer gives him a E.

he has had some great plays this year. but also he's been suspect at times too.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet, you have to admit,
there have been a couple of others recently that he HASN'T received an error on this year because he's Scott Rolen.

Either way, he's still one of the best defenders at any position in the game today. Error or not.

.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jun 18, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not good signs
Wainwright is looking a lot like early 2006 Mark Mulder.  Velocity WAY down, relying heavily on his breaking stuff and when they time him up, getting smacked hard at people.

Just something to watch, but I get that same feeling I had sitting in Pittsburgh last spring watching Mulder throw 65 mph fastballs.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The more So gets to play of late
the more he seems like a "smart" hitter.

by Zubin on Jun 18, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

He's having an Edmondsesque
streak of late, to be sure.

I was one of those who was getting pretty fed up with his play earlier this season. I love being proved wrong.

There's no way he plays this well for the rest of the season, but here's hoping he can keep from playing like he did in April/early May. Of course I guess that goes for everyone on our team except for yadi...

.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jun 18, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too know
that the SO production will eventually tail off.  But I've always liked the guy BECAUSE of his baseball intelligence.  He's just not a big (ie durable) guy, and has really average skills at best.
But on the "Eckstein/Freel" scale -- getting the most out of what you got -- he stacks up pretty well.
I think it's his last year and I will be sorry to see him go.

by CurtFlood on Jun 19, 2007 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

thompson starts on wednesday now?
the "notes" article on cardinals.mlb.com has what's his face starting tomorrow and Thompson on Wednesday, saying they wanted to give Brad an extra day because he pitched on Saturday.  this is contrary to the reports in the earlier thread today.
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by madding on Jun 18, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm soooo going to the game
tomorrow - and only because Kippy's pitching.

Figure I have a pretty good chance to get a ball - my seats are in the bleachers.

Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa. ~Bob Veale, 1966

by bukowski on Jun 18, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

pena jrs pic
on gameday a luagher
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by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

holy cow
we are the voyagers of the starship glass
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr Gold Glove
Albert does it again. dude almost tackled the runner at first. frickin awesome.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

will there be
a Chris Duncan sighting?
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by madding on Jun 18, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

DANG IT
Albert just missed that. that a pitch he normally kills too.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

18 game hitting streak for Juan
where was that two innings ago jack?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Pardon the negative comment
but NOW he gets the hit? Not when he's got runners on base all over the place? Why couldn't he calm down a bit earlier in the game. Grrr.

Wow. I never knew I was a Juan hater until just now. Go figure.

.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jun 18, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

for months now
I've been stomach pain anti-Juan.
after you start, it only gets worse.
Few nights go by that I don't pray that we trade him.

by CurtFlood on Jun 19, 2007 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we lose this game
seeing Juan extend that hitting streak will be the lowlight of my night.

Just means another day of playing time.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

This is Ludwick's kind of moment
good time for him to earn another day's start.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

isn't this a good time for Dunk to PH?
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by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

No
Ludwick CAN hit a HR.  If Miles or Bennett get on, you want Duncan to be able to tie it hitting 9th in the 9th.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are going to lose to the Royals again
how is this even possible?  I mean, I wasn't optimistic after winning to shoot outs against the As but I didn't think in my lifetime I'd ever see the Royals take it to the Cardinals again.

This was our game to win in the series.  Kippy is going to get shelled and Thompson is 50/50.

It's going to take a miracle to score 2 in the 9th and the German's have outlawed miracles.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

since when do the German's
corner the market on miracles?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

after all,
it wasn't over when they bombed pearl harbor.
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by nycbirdo on Jun 18, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets
tough... <thinking hard>














the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

by Zubin on Jun 18, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...
I came to [here] for the waters.
The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.
I was misinformed.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

good inning for TJ
he needed that.
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by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

who?
who is this Kennedy guy?
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 18, 2007 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

alright AK
do NOT hit into a DP. get him over to 2nd.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Does Kennedy
really make you feel more confident than Bennett?

by Petkovsek on Jun 18, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on Kennedy
just don't hit into a double play.

by Zubin on Jun 18, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

y pinch hit kennedy here
is this a hey we believe you can hit move? i dont question managers much cause hey they are there im not, but this along with not dhing Dunc i have to ?
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by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh...
...here he his...I'm obviously lost in the maze of a TLR double switch matrix

by cardsfaninmass on Jun 18, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on Dunk
dont swing at the junk unless he hangs it.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

well they are making him work
at least
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by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

okay
time for a Gooch Bomb here.
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by madding on Jun 18, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I just have this odd feeling
that we're not that good. What a thought.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 18, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice rip So...
but the ball was already in the catcher's glove.

by Zubin on Jun 18, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

well that certainly sucks....
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 18, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever
Go get em tomorrow

by Petkovsek on Jun 18, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

add another embarassing loss
to the 07 Cards record. that's pathetic. i'm sorry, but they should NEVER lose to the freakin KC Royals. NEVER EVER EVER
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh.
The Royals take BP before the game, Cardinals don't.  Royals jump out to early lead, Cards don't.

I'm glad we didn't have John Rodriguez or Rick Ankiel to PH in any of these situations.

Ah well, on to 2008.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Rain caused the timetable to be shrunk
plus, apparently they hadn't taken BP in the last two games either.

Of course, that means that Adam Kennedy hadn't seen live pitching since, what, Friday?

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was positive about tonight?
I can think of 3 things:

1- Scott Rolen hit a HR
2- The defense made a lot of great plays behind Wainwright to keep him in it.
3- Tyler Johnson didn't totally suck

Wainwright can't pitch for another 4 days and what, once during the next 8 games? So the liklihood of the Cardinals winning against the Royals, Phillies and Mets are slim and none, and slim just rode out of town.

The Cardinals needed to make hay against these terrible teams they were playing over the past month and instead are right back where they were a month ago.

They aren't going to get much better other than picking up Carpenter to pitch every 5th day.

Losing to the Royals tonight assured that the best the Cardinals can do is a split against a team they needed to go 5-1 against this season.

With Edmonds out, it means more Juan at the cleanup role and a weak bench if Duncan starts.

The time to 'get right' is shrinking by the game and the Cardinals are like a team trying to stomp out the lumps in carpet.  Step here and another lump pops up over there.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

gah
if the Cards don't win the next two against KC, I'm going to be pissed.  and given who is starting, I'd put the odds of that happening at about 2%.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 18, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

can you hear the sucking sound?
Cards just dropped a game further behind the Brewers.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 18, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

more good news for the Cards
Klesko grounds out with the bases loaded,
Brew Crew win again. Gallardo gets his first win.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, the 'pennant' race for the Cardinals
is over.  7.5 back and their easiest stretch in the schedule 2 days away from being over.

We don't play the Astros and Pirates enough times this year to get back in this thing.  

Tony is putting players on the DL who don't even know they are injured.  I sure would have enjoyed Edmonds PH'ing instead of Kennedy in the 9th.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to further brighten your evening:
Bernie on Buehrle:

Nothing of the sort.

Not even close to what was said.

We were talking about ANKIEL possibly having trade value later this season -- but we weren't sure how much value he would have.

There is NOTHING going on.

--B

So, if that be the case, Skippy wasn't called up to showcase his talents for another team but rather because of his apprently sparkling play over John Rodriguez.  Yay!

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

exact oppoiste to what Pat said around 4pm
on Berie's radio show. they really need to get their facts straight before going to air with stuff. that's what was so annoyning for me this afternoon. bernie was quotting text messages he was getting during his show, pat said "he heard at busch today" the white sox and others wanted to see skippy hit against MLB clubs. and now they go back and say nothing's going on.

although it could mean someone with the Cards told them to shut up becuae it might screw things up. but what are the odds for that?

if nothing's up, is skippy up just becaue he can play center? why not put Juan in center like they did last year and have JRod play right if skippy's not trade bait? SO would still be a back up. what? does Tony want SO starting every day? that would suck. SO is best when teams don't see a lot of him. if SO's the everyday staring CF, he'll get destroyed.

skippy better be trade bait, because having SO as your every day starting CF is waving the white flag in defeat.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe you
I don't think you would just make something like that up.  Bernie was bold enough to say that NOTHING like that was talked about, which I don't think you could be THAT wrong about it if you just misheard it.

As much as Bernie likes to boast 'Tony isn't my boss', I wouldn't be suprised if they weren't told to cool it on 'inside source' stuff.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2007 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bet would be Walt sent word
for them to keep quiet. he hates it when the media gets wind of a trade or a free agent singing. he feels, and he might be right, that if he's working "under the radar" he's more likely to get trades and free agents signed. Walt feels if every one is talking about a trade, the other team is more likely to either get cold feet, or ask for more in return for the trade.

I don't know if there's any truth to that. but Walt is adamit about denying when rumors are flying around. and he said when they got Rolen it wouldn't have happend if every other team out there knew about it. the last thing Walt want to happen is the trade partner change their mind, or another team get wind of a deal and come in with a better package for the player the Cards are interested in.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 19, 2007 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know people don't like it when you rag on Juan
but (and this is a small sample size), how can Tony justify putting Juan in the #4 spot?

For 2007, with RISP

4 for 28 = .143 with 12 RBI.  

Last year, I'll grant you he hit .310 with 62 RBI and .331 with 59 RBI in 2005, but does Tony just expect Juan to miracle himself back into being able to produce with RISP?  

As iffy as Scott Rolen has been in 2007, with RISP
15 for 54 = .278 with 24 RBI and 12 BBs.

Batting 4th, Rolen is hitting .191 this year.  That could be part of the reason Juan gets to bat 4th in the lineup.  

However, looking at Juan's stat line for 2007 with the chance to drive in runs, he's just been inept.  It's like we are expecting him not to drive in the 1 thru 3 hitters if they get on base.

Speizio has been better with RISP.  I'd take him batting cleanup instead of Juan.

I'm just disgusted that his inability to drive in any of those 6 runs he left out there cost the Cardinals the win tonight.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

his post game comments were a joke
when asked about his two GIDP's he said, that's baseball. what are you going to do? there's nothing i can do about that. it's just good positioning by the other team.

he looked and sounded really depressed while he was speaking. and he was reaching for the right words to say. jim hayes also asked him three questions about his wrist being 100% healthy, and all juan would say was he's dealing with it so obviously he's still not able to hit like he is when healthy.

i know we need to give latin players some slack for not speaking, and in a lot of cases understanding the english language. heck i can't spell words half way correct most of the time. but he needs to come up with a better explination for his GIDP's than "good positioning by the other team."

what's bad for the Cards is their best bet to hit 4th, Dunk is himself in a slump right now due to his bad knee. if Dunk's healthy, and there's nothing fishy with skippy being with the club, JRod would be a perfect fit in front of Albert, and Dunk would be great hitting 4th.

i completly, Juan is NOT a clean up spot hitter. but with both Dunk & Rolen hurt and slumping, Jimmy on the DL, JRod for some reason stuck in the purgatory known as Memphis. who's their best bet? Speezer's not a clean up hitter either. LUD? fact is, Juan's probably got as good as chance any player to do OK hitting 4th.

story of the 07 Cards. starters are hurt and struggling. and the wrong replacements are with the club. so the replacement guys who are in the STL can't cut it.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 19, 2007 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

see? i can't speak english either.
should read i completly agree with you, Juan is NOT a natural clean up hitter

reds lost to the A's 8-1 if any one cares.

i'll shut up now.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 19, 2007 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more hardcore..
than YOU are, hardcore.
My hatred for Juan goes off the chart.
It's not a question, with me, justifying him hitting in the 4-hole; it's a question of justifying him wearing the birds-on-the-bat PERIOD.

I never argue about Juan using numbers, because sometimes they exonerate him and sometimes they don't.  My extreme stomach-ache negativity is based purely on WATCHING him "play."

No question he has baseball "talent" but he has a very poor baseball "head."

by CurtFlood on Jun 19, 2007 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hate him or not
He currently is our best outfielder. As sad as that is I feel it is true. Edmonds just isn't going to be able to do it anymore. He is so banged up, and has been for a couple of years now.

 Duncan is slumping pretty bad. I like the improvement in his defense. I really did not expect that.

 If Duncan continues to struggle with his knee and his bat look for him to do some time at Memphis.

by nybirdfan on Jun 19, 2007 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And by that logic
We need to avoid having Juan bat in none on with 1/2 outs.  He's hitting an anemic .194 .194    .250 in those situations.  I can't stand that the only time he hits with no one on is when there are no outs.  He sucks in those situations.  When is TLR going to get with it and put him in spots to avoid those situations? [/sarcasm]
Pujols currently < Career godliness.

by joker24 on Jun 19, 2007 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your smugness aside
on 90% of non-TLR rosters, your prime RBI guy hits 4th (ie Clean-up hitter).  On LaRussa's team, it is the #3 spot (get him more at-bats per game).

Putting Juan in the #4 holes gives him the greatest opportunity to drive in runners, something he is sucking mightly at.

If Adam Kennedy can't get to play because of his career norms vs small sample sizes, why is Juan getting rewarded?

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2007 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

kinda makes me wonder
if maybe we shouldn't go with Pujols at cleanup for a while.  It doesn't make any sense to have him come up with 2 outs and no one on in the first; that extra at bat is wasted. a solo home run is almost meaningless when your team has to score 6 runs a game to win.

much better to have him up with 1 on/2 out or leading off the 2nd.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jun 19, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

question about tickets...
looking into buying Cubs/Cards tix in St Louis...i was wondering how the Standing Room Only tickets work? is there a designated area for you to stand or what?

by lopey986 on Jun 19, 2007 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

SRO
Yeah, there are numerous areas around the stadium that are marked as Standing Room Only.  But they are all first come/first served, and you'll need a buddy there to hold your standing spot when you go to the bathroom or get a snack.

There used to be some really choice SRO areas on the field level right behind sections 149 & 151, but those got changed over the offseason (they added several rows of seats to 149 by removing the handicapped seating there, and then doubled up on the handicapped seating in 151) and so now the SRO areas behind home plate are pretty much toast.  I haven't checked to see if there are still some designated SRO spots further toward the outfield behind the field seats...does anyone know?

Some of your best SRO bets, imho, are the stretches along the back of the left field bleachers or (even better in my opinion) the railings in the stairways going up either of the two outfield light standard towers.  Those are pretty decent views for SRO.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jun 19, 2007 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was listening...
.....to the game while driving and bending the steering wheel in my hands after Wainwrights throwing errors.......later, in the 5th I was thinking TL was gonna bunt Encarnastion the second time up with the bags full, just to make absolutely SURE he COULD NOT ground into another game killing, gut-wrenching DP and waited to hear if the bunt was called...and then Shannon described the actual hit on the radio almost as if Encarnacion "slap-guided" the ball as a picture-perfect tailor-made roller to SS.

Mike didnt like it much either....he was hoping for the squeeze.

Where was the sneaky bunt the Royals were'nt ready for.

"I don't need a damn number to tell me the guy's no good right now!" Old Casey.... Pitching, base running and defense!

by cardschinmusic on Jun 19, 2007 7:21 AM EDT reply actions  

And.....
IF (big IF) there is a Buerhle trade in the early stages, I think theres gotta be a third player settled on in advance and Reyes and the Scrapper are the parts remaining to be settled, unless a chunk of cash is being offered in the deal.

It might be a reliever??... outside of Jenks and Logan things look pretty bad in the pen over there.

And maybe they want Enc, Kennedy, Welles, and ...who else? Hopes it not Mather,we need more converted first-basemen!

"I don't need a damn number to tell me the guy's no good right now!" Old Casey.... Pitching, base running and defense!

by cardschinmusic on Jun 19, 2007 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

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