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a quick programming note: i'm on jury duty for at least the next couple of days. first time i've ever served; criminal case, pretty straightforward trial, and they tell us it ought to be wrapped up by friday. so i'll be absent from the discussion thread for at least the next couple of days, and tonight's game thread won't go up till just before game time.

i swear (i am under a juror's oath, after all) the blog played at least an indirect role in dragging me into this mess --- er, i mean qualifying me for this civic duty. during voir dire, i stated that i make my living as a writer; the prosecuting attorney asked me what type of writing i do, and i gave him a quick description of my client base and said, "that's most of it" or something like that. "most of it," he says; "what's the rest of it?" "i also write a blog."

Q: a blog? [raised eyebrow] about what?
A: the st louis cardinals baseball team.
Q: oh. [pause] how do you feel about mark mcgwire being kept out of the hall of fame?
A: well, i'm not all that interested in the hall. but i do think he cheated with steroids.

i'm not making this up, now; this exchange really took place. (and i'd like to know how the court reporter rendered "mark mcgwire" on that freaky keypad of his.) i think my answer left the prosecutor saying to himself, hell yeah, i'll take this guy on my jury; he's ready to convict the hometown sports hero on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. then the defense attorney gets up there and says:

Q: mr borowsky, how you can you be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that mcgwire used steroids?
A: i'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
Q: but you said that you think he cheated with steroids.
A: that's right --- i do think he cheated. but mcgwire's not on trial, so the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard doesn't really apply.
Q: i see. so if you were judging him in a court of law, you'd apply a more rigorous standard of proof before you'd convict him --- is that correct?
A: yes sir.

so now this guy wants me too; he's telling himself, borowsky will give a guy his day in court, even a guy who might look kinda guilty. but the defense attorney's not quite finished:

Q: in the interest of full disclosure, i should tell you that i grew up on chicago's north side. [pause] knowing that, do you think you can give my client a fair trial?

all sorts of possible answers raced through my head: ask me on september 30, i'll let you know then. or: your client, yes. but if it were you on trial, probably not. or: that depends; what position does your client play? any one of those flippant answers might have gotten me off the hook; they don't usually like smartasses on juries, do they? but i didn't have the nerve, so rather than give the defense a reason to boot me off the panel i just mumbled some generic affirmative answer. score that one an error; neither side struck me, and as a result i have to shower and wear shoes for the rest of the week.

justice sucks.

once we'd been sworn in as the jury, i asked the bailiff if there is wireless internet access in the jury room. "there will be in the new justice center," she said cheerfully. that project is slated for completion in december 2009; the judge doesn't think our case will take quite that long.

* * * * * * * *

adam wainwright found himself facing a trial of his own last night and made a pretty good case for himself. it appeared to me that he tensed up visibly with two out in the 6th, after david dejesus yanked an inside fastball just foul down the first-base line; whew, close call. wainwright had been attacking hitters all night, had set down the first two hitters of that inning on only 4 pitches. but after the near miss he immediately got tentative: two consecutive balls to dejesus, another foul (and another close call, this one down the left-field line), then ball 3 to run the count full. you could see adam laboring with his breathing and his pace as that at-bat lengthened: he was consciously trying to slow things down, calm himself down; his brow was furrowed. if it sounds like i'm being critical here, i don't intend that --- i think the kid was excited and nervous (he admits in today's post-dispatch that he starting thinking no-hitter as early as the 3d inning, and says he paid rapt attention to a replay of justin verlander's tuesday-night no-hitter) and was struggling to keep those emotions in check. natural human reaction. after he finally did yield a basehit, wainwright relaxed visibly; he started throwing strikes again, stopped forcing his rhythm and slipped into a more natural one, and went back to setting down the royals. the error on miles was unfortunate, and the ensuing hit came as no surprise, but i don't think the outcome would have been any different had miles made that play.

as much as i enjoy (and trust) numerical analysis, that was one of those situations in which the numbers --- e.g., his batting average allowed vs left-handers, or the percentage of first-pitch curveballs, or his BABIP, or any such breakdowns --- didn't mean a thing. all those factors became moot, and the action was dictated by what happened under adam's cap.

but to get back to numbers: since his disastrous start vs the dodgers a month ago, wainwright has made 5 starts and yielded more than 2 runs in only 1 of them. his era over that month (33.1 innings) is 2.43; his k-bb, 3 to 1; his walk rate, 2.1 per 9 innings. the other starters' eras over that span:

wellemeyer 4.79
wells 6.04
thompson 6.91
looper 7.48

last night's outing reduced wainwright's outlandishly high batting average on balls in play (referenced here) to .333 for the season; still 4th highest in the national league and still in outlier territory, but no longer off off off the charts. it was only a matter of time before his luck turned in that regard. as of this moment, he is the cardinals' best starter. with the possibility of reyes' recall from memphis soon and carpenter's likely return to action next month . . . . . breathe deep, cardinal fans. there are still 100 games to be played.

p.s.: if'n you missed it, troy percival wasn't exactly sharp in his first outing at memphis. called on in the 7th inning with a 1-run lead to protect, he walked three of the 5 batters he faced, gave up a game-tying hit to a fourth; he retired one guy on a groundout, and the other out of his 2/3-inning stint came on a caught stealing (two other runners stole bases successfully against him).

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Wow.
I definitely would have tried to use the Chi Town tie to get out of it.  

No offense is anyone is from Chicago, but I'm hoping when the aliens come they blow up Wrigley, (and most of the rest of the city) as a show of power.  

Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Jun 14, 2007 8:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"You're a Cub fan?"
Then turn to his client and say "Dude, ask for a mistrial."

by sdrone on Jun 14, 2007 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to take credit
for Wainer's resurgence.  It was right after that Dodger start that I dropped him from my fantasy team.

by Just Rope Ball on Jun 14, 2007 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Salut!
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Jun 14, 2007 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

credit given.
i had verlander going on tuesday night (no hitter). : )

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 14, 2007 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had him going
I spot started Wainright on my fantasy team last night.  Needless to say it was a fun game for me to watch.
2006 Cardinals- An underdog story

by Born in 82 on Jun 14, 2007 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love the Jury story
I served on a grand jury here in Onondaga County. It lasted six weeks. When we started everyone was gumbling about how this was going to suck, but after we got into it we all thought it was a worth while experience.

 It was wonderful what AW did last night. Not just for team, but for himself. I think the kid has got the stuff to win 14-16 games. Now he seams back on track for a good season.

by nybirdfan on Jun 14, 2007 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was born in
Cattaraugus County(Olean). We moved here to VA in '60, when I was 7.

by cardsrul on Jun 14, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry I'm disappointed
I mean - seriously.  No flippant Cub comment?  He threw you a meatball right down central and you took it.  That's not an error - its  a backwards K!

Good story, anyways!

I posted in the pitching mechanics diary - but I thought I'd throw it in here too..if anyone is interested in little league elbow as a topic, I can drum up a post about it.  Let me know.  It's a subject I'm pretty passionate about.

Have a good day everyone - I won't be posting here until game thread time (maybe).

by silent_bob on Jun 14, 2007 8:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Interested, Bob.
Pitching injuries, and the causes thereof, are definitely a pet subject of mine.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Jun 14, 2007 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm interested
also interested in the flip side, which is, how can a guy like barry zito throw a zillion curveballs his whole life and still not be any worse for wear?
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Jun 14, 2007 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I don't remember Darryl Kile's elbow ever going out, either.

by Valatan on Jun 14, 2007 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Visions of grandeur
As Adam finished up his fine start last night, I couldn't help but think about the possibility of a future World Series where he could have the chance to win the clinching game as a starter.  How cool would that be to be the only pitcher to ever to finish off World Series wins with both a save as a closer and a win as a starter?

Here's to smart roster moves this year that enhance that possibility in future years - and maybe even some lightning in a bottle this year.  Obviously not likely, but there's a good chance our best baseball is still in front of us and we enjoy the good fortune of the NL Central as our neighborhood!

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just
had to login and say what a great story that is.  May everyone's jury duty be so interesting.

by jfs on Jun 14, 2007 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Justice
I too am surprised you wouldn't take the bait of the north sider.  But you also didn't mention what the crime was.  Next you'll tell us this guy was so incensed by the Dick's sporting goods ads, that he felt compelled somehow to shoplift 2nd base from the store.  Ah but stealing 2nd base is more than legal in baseball, do it well and it gets you to the hall of fame.  On the other hand refusing to testify to the commissioner's kangaroo court about things that weren't against the rules could get a guy suspended.  Justice is sweet, Serve well.

and in the absence of wifi, my verizon card gets me to veb even while driving or taxing on the runway.  it should penetrate the walls of justice as well.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jun 14, 2007 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fever Pitch 2?
Larry, I think I see a movie plot here.  A rabid baseball fan is called on jury duty as his favorite team enters the stretch run.  Maybe you could pitch it to Jimmy Fallon and make it the sequel to Fever Pitch?!  Just kidding, I still refuse to see that movie but your story made me laugh.  Good for you that you didn't take the easy way out.

by lefty fan on Jun 14, 2007 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're missin' out...
While it's turn your head and cover your ears painful to watch the replays of the '04 world series...the movie itself is an instant classic for me.  Being an avid baseball fan who only dreams of having season tickets and who would choose baseball over love anyday if I hadn't married before I realized this, I can relate to the movie.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 14, 2007 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And besides...
They totally downplay the World Series that year.  The people who should be the most pained to watch it should be Yankees fans.  That's where all the vitriol is spewed.  The World Series is almost an afterthought.

Afterall, if you remember, they totally had to change the ending of the movie when the Sox chose that moment in time to end an 86 year certainty.  Totally f'ed up the filmmakers, sending them scrambling for some footage.

by tinstl on Jun 14, 2007 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was cool though...
that the footage of them on the field at the end of game 4 was real...at least according to the bonus features.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 14, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It pissed a bunch off at the time
to see Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore jumping onto the field of Old Busch and kiss during a particularly gut-wrenching moment in Cardinals' history.

by Valatan on Jun 14, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus
We won a World Series, kinda takes that sting away.  I like the movie so much, I bought it even though Im a life-long Cards fan.  Plus, it was originally about soccer according to the book by Nick Hornby.  Good book too.

by JBagKY on Jun 14, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah you're lucky...
I've been on jury duty three times now and I never once was selected for the trial. All three times I ended up in the group that got tossed... they never asked a single question.

Anyhow, hope it's an interesting case. I'm sure in a few years there will be hard data on how bloggers behave on juries, then it'll be much harder to get selected...

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jury Duty...
My wife and I, both members of the bar, were talking about jury duty the other day.  I said that I would be a professional juror, that I would find it really interesting.  She looked at me like I was nuts.  

Quick jury duty tale about a friend of mine.  In law school, they pretty much tell you that you will NEVER be empaneled on a jury because you are a lawyer.
  Second year we come back and Bill was nowhere to be found.  Bill was a top notch student and a worker, so it wasn't like he dropped out.  Gradually, we found out that Bill had been selected for a criminal case that involved a fairly sophisticated point of criminal law.  Can their be a murder if no body was ever found?  
  When Bill came back, he told us that not only was he ON the juror, but the jury had appointed him foreman.  He had to teach the other jurors criminal law in five days.  It was pretty cool to hear about the case from the inside.

I don't want Chicago destroyed nor Wrigley Field.  Chicago is my favorite city in America.

by Brock20 on Jun 14, 2007 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Cubs go away
we cannow sweep them.

by sdrone on Jun 14, 2007 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chicago fans
Maybe if they aliens rid the chicago FANS, it might not be as bad of a city...

by billyhoyel on Jun 14, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too busy for stats today
But I really don't see why half (ok, maybe 20-30%) of the posters on VEB are pretty negative.  Yes, were are still 5.5 out of first.  Yes, we have been incredibly inconsistant and at times consistantly bad.  Yes, we are not even a .500 team.  And yes, we do have some holes in the team.  However...  We have gotten a combined 1 start from Carp and Mulder.  We had a horrible 6 weeks from MV3.  Wagonmaker pitched hurt for a month. And a much improved Yadi has missed 1/3 of our games this year.
Starting July 24, we play the Cubs/Brewers 14 times in a 26 game span.  6 of the other 12 are against the Nats and Pirates.  We really do still control our own destiny if we can get it turned around and get some of those injuries healed up.
I think there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic for the rest of the season.  

by toris34 on Jun 14, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pro/con list:
Reasons to be optimistic:
  • Carp coming back in August
  • Reyes pitching fairly well in AAA
  • The rest of the division is not good
  • Albert returning to what we expect from Albert
  • Encarnacion has helped since his return
Reasons which have currently indeterminate impact:
- Mulder might be back in August

Reasons to be pessimistic:

  • Duncan 2 for his last 35
  • Yadi hurt and no way to know for sure when he'll be game-ready
  • Wells' legit shot at being a 20-game loser
  • Wildly inconsistent offense, especially from the MV3 (not a knock on Pujols' resurgence, we need more and more consistently from Scotty Ro and Jimmah)
  • The record against teams with winning records
  • Games like Tuesday's 8-1 loss to KC
I try to see everything through Cardinal-colored glasses.  I firmly believe that they can make a nice little run here in June and July to be close (3 games or less) at the ASB.  What you're reading here is a reaction to years of excellence seemingly coming to an end.  This year's version of the Birds on the Bat is not excellent.  It is mediocre at best.  That said, 85 wins may take this division, and this team may do it.

However, I am inclined to weight my pessimistic reasons more heavily than my optimistic reasons, because none of the pessimistic reasons are showing any signs of getting ironed out, at least not to my satisfaction.  You could argue that the offense is becoming more consistent, and then I'd point to Tuesday's loss as evidence to the contrary.

All this to say:  even those of us who want to be optimistic are seeing things that remind us more of the early 90s Cardinals (wild inconsistency and suckage) than of the early 2000s Cardinals (excellence day-in and day-out).  And that reminder leads to negative postings.

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Jun 14, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of jurors...
Here's a link to blog run by a lawyer/jury-selection consultant who also curates the electronic American Gallery of Juror Art.

http://jurylaw.typepad.com/

The blog features articles/links about juries, jurors, and trials.

Self-promotion note: some old sketches of mine are featured in the Juror Art gallery:

http://jurylaw.typepad.com/photos/juror_art/david_salvia_sketches_2.html

by salvomania on Jun 14, 2007 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jury duty
Having been selected for a criminal jury in the city of StL before, I'll offer that it's precisely the smartasses who the judges intend to retain.  You'll never be stricken for cause taking that route, though you're right one of the attorneys may not feel comfortable with you.  That's a crap shoot.

by awpierce on Jun 14, 2007 10:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More encouraging Wainwright stats
If you look back a bit further, Adam had 2 very good starts right before the blowup at LA.  Since May 4, he's started 7 games, and still only allowed more than 2 runs in one of them.  His ERA over that time is not quite as good, but still 3.75.  His K/BB is 2.07, and his walk rate 2.65 per 9.  Also, despite leaving after 2 2/3 innings vs. LA, he's totalled 48 in that span of 7 starts, for an average just north of 6 2/3 per start.

by john vb on Jun 14, 2007 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Congrats, Larry!
or not :)

I can see where your answers made both attorneys happy, but am also somewhat surprised at your selection as they often tend to disfavor "educated" folks.  I once was eliminated by the defense when I gave an affirmative answer to his question, "You read a lot, don't you?"

by ArkansasTravs on Jun 14, 2007 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good for you, Larry
I don't understand people that intentionally try to get thrown out of the jury pool. If anyone with half a clue gets themselves intentionally struck, then you're left with a jury that, uh, might be sub-optimal in administering justice correctly. I know if I was ever on trial I would want 12 Larry's on my jury as opposed to some of the people that I saw in the pool the last time I served. The last pool I was in was a drug case and the prosecutor asked some bland question like "Do you think you could be fair and impartial in this case" and one guy piped up with "Well he (the defendant) wouldn't be here if he hadn't done somethin' wrong!"

by mikedallas23 on Jun 14, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a lot of weirdness about jury selection
not believing in the death penalty gets you struck from the jury in death penalty states, for example.  While I might agree with that for the penalty phase, for the guilt phase, I think this ends up preselecting jurors that are inclined to deliver a guilty verdict.

by Valatan on Jun 14, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"death-qualified" juries
A social psychologist at Michigan (Psych and Law), Phoebe Ellsworth, has done studies showing exactly your point:  People who believe in death penalty are more likely to convict.  I can dig up references if you're interested.

by ncgostl on Jun 14, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jury Duty
I actually have jury duty of my own coming up here in New England. If I really want to get out of it, I think all I'd have to do is yell "Red Sox suck!" There's a good chance I'd get my own trial for that, though.

Good luck, Larry!

The Falcoholic
The SBNation's Atlanta Falcons Blog

by Dave the Falconer on Jun 14, 2007 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait, if Larry is going to be out of pocket
does that mean the Mark Buehrle deal is imminent?  Isn't that usually how it happens?  Larry steps away and the Cards make a move.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even though Miles botched his no-hit bid
Adam forgave him, that is the kind of being Adam is.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That brought a tear to my eye.
He had great movement on that dove last night.
The Falcoholic
The SBNation's Atlanta Falcons Blog

by Dave the Falconer on Jun 14, 2007 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no, he's just practicing
He let's the bird get 60' away then throws a fastball at it.

by sdrone on Jun 14, 2007 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recommendation
Dave Winfield can probably tutor him on that.
The Falcoholic
The SBNation's Atlanta Falcons Blog

by Dave the Falconer on Jun 14, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not forgiveness!!
He's flipping him the bird!

by punditmoi on Jun 14, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, our plan is coming together
Wainwright is improving.  Reyes had problems, but he'll get called back up and magically we'll actually score some runs for him.  

Sure, Carp was a setback, but we'll get Carp/Mulder back and they'll be effective.

It may be as late as August, but the team will collectively say "Um, excuse me.   We're the world champions.  Let's get busy."

by sdrone on Jun 14, 2007 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On Tuesday, the Royals announcers
during the broadcast said that Tony stated he had a 'suprise' on Thursday for the lineup.  Well, it's Thursday...what could this 'suprise' be.

Personally, I hope it is Wainwright DH'ing.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wells
will bat for himself, and the DH will be used to hit for Kennedy. (I think that's allowed.)

by DCGreg on Jun 14, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprise!
Kip Wells will be pulled back as the starter, with the substitution of...Rick Ankiel

by blove121 on Jun 14, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from what I heard
one of the announcers was recalling last year when La Russa told him he had a surprise for them which turned out to be Chris Duncan being called up to DH.  the other announcer (sorry, don't remember their names, but one of them is a "Royals Hall of Famer") evidently misunderstood him and thought he said there would be a surprise for this Thursday's game.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 14, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just as well
I checked the rules, and it turns out you can't do my idea about having the DH hit for a position player. Another reason to hate the DH.

by DCGreg on Jun 14, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jury duty
In the 50 or 60 trials I have done, I can remember exactly one juror stating that jury duty was a bad experience for him -- and that was for a month-long trial, during which he got fired from his job.  Have fun with it.

For those interested, here are the two things that, in my experience, automatically get you off of a jury:

--belonging to a religion that prevents you from voting as to whether someone is guilty

--being explosively and uncontrollably incontinent

by tdawg on Jun 14, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's a third...
being a newspaper/radio/TV reporter... that one got me immediately dismissed from my one and only chance at jury duty.

Too bad... I think I would have enjoyed the experience.

It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 14, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My fourth . . .
The prospective juror next to me in one case was excused by the judge without explanation within seconds of being selected.  It turns out he was dating the judge's ex-wife.

I got kicked from the same case because I had been both a public prosecutor and criminal defense attorney at different times in my career and had beaten both the prosecutor and the defense counsel.

Is everyone else here a lawyer, too?

The cat is fine, thank you.

by Intheway on Jun 14, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

attorneys
I, too, was wondering if this board had a disportionate number of lawyers (I'm one, too).  Either we are really just geeky, old-fashioned folks who like the stats and the attentional to detail that lboros, et al. put into this site, or we lawyers just waste time better than most.  ;)

Granted, I hardly understand the most of the stats but I feel so much smarter "listening" to all the rest of you.

by cardsgirlinAR on Jun 14, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's Cubs game
The Cubs are playing the Mariners.   It's Marquis vs. Weaver.

Man, this is playing with my head.  I guess the outcome I'd look for is for both teams to score 5 or 6 runs in the first inning.

by sdrone on Jun 14, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

13-12 Mariners
Marquis goes 2-2 with a homer and 3 RBI's but is knocked out by the 4th. Weaver makes it all the way to the 5th but a grand slam by Jaque Jones knocks him out. Cubs are up 12-10 in the ninth but Ichiro hits a bases loaded triple against Dempster and Putz comes in to close it out 13-12.

by stl3bagger on Jun 14, 2007 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I REALLY
hope I get to see this one! My neighbors will undoubtedly be wondering why a "mild-mannered broadcaster" (me) is shouting, "YOU STILL STINK!!!!!" after every pitch in each half-inning...

Somebody get me a bat... [grin]

It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 14, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA I forgot I have to
"work from home" this afternoon!

by sdrone on Jun 14, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful Story
This is an example of why people, including myself, decide to go through the hell called law school. How many other jobs can the question of whether you are a Cards or Cubs fan matter? No one day is ever the same.

by stl3bagger on Jun 14, 2007 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Being the obnoxious
jerk that I am, I would've pulled the "If you're a Cubs fan, then your client is screwed eight ways to Sunday" card.

by cardsrul on Jun 14, 2007 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or...
..."yikes, so do you even know what winning feels like?"
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would
be a low blow, but really, really funny.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Percival's outing
not good, but i'll take control issues over general ineffectiveness.  Also noticed that ol' Luther Hackman picked up the save for Nashville.
"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on Jun 14, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone said he was hitting 89-91 on the gun
which according to other posters, is 2 mph slower at AutoZone.

That was his first bout of facing actual hitters since what, 2005?  If the control issues continue again tonight or tomorrow, then there may be a problem.  For him, this is spring training, so he may just be trying various things to see what he can and can't do.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't pitch today
I guess he's on the every-other-day plan for now.

by whopperman on Jun 14, 2007 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rough start for Jennings...
Walk-Double-Sac Fly-Home run...

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bold prediction...
for the M's-Cubs game:

The guy with the 12 era outpitches the one with the 3.01... by a lot.

Incredibly, Weaver's xFIP is 4.83 while Marquis' is 4.76. I'm not saying they've been equals this year, but I bet they end the year with similar numbers.

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good gawd...
Ok, Weaver just lost his last supporter...

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His mechanics look terrible
he has that front shoulder flying open way too early, thus his deceptive arm angle isn't being hidden by his front shoulder very long.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs teed off against Weaver
in the first inning.  3-0 Cubs.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is insulting
to tees everywhere.
Okay, quick... Everybody back on the bandwagon... Now back off!

by Alxfritz on Jun 14, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The M's might help
their pitcher if they didn't go 1-2-3.  Jeff barely sat down before he had to take the mound again.  Well, his arm won't cool down.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They were...
helpless in the face of Marquis' wizardry...

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
did your keyboard burst into flames after you wrote that?
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 14, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha
marquis hits weaver.

by enoscountry on Jun 14, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

followed by a 4 pitch walk
then an error for a run. is betty back?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jun 14, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After ANOTHER walk
...and a three-run double, I'd say, yep! Betty's back! I can just hear Sweet Lou now...

Dude, you hit the (unavailable) pitcher! Then you walk the (undecipherable) bases loaded, and then you give up your second hit of the (unmentionable) ballgame???? WHATTAYA THINKIN' OUT THERE?????

It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 14, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't look now,
but the Brewers just called up Yovani Gallardo (spelling?) to take Chris Capuano's place while he's on the DL.  That Gallardo-the one that Anthony Reyes outdueled at Memphis the other night.

by jillsinmo on Jun 14, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a plus
because he can't replace Dave Bush right now, who is TERRIBLE.  They've basically replaced Capuano with a pitcher who should give them about equal production.  
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious
Weaver and Marquis are delivering their best starts of the year against each other - at Wrigley, no less.  Just goes to show that truth is stranger than fiction.

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and now Marquis has just hit Weaver
while throwing a 1-hitter into the 6th.  Very entertaining.

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NEWSFLASH -- Marquis plunks Weaver. Story at 11!
Hit him on the pitching arm.  Weaver's still in the game on first....
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scooped
Crap!  I've been scooped!  ;)
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

got you by 17 seconds ;-)
I guess BiPolar was getting him back for striking him out earlier in the game?

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Betty
And now Weaver scores as the Cubs D falls apart... along with Betty.  Another walk... bases loaded... 1 out.  Hehe.
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sacks are jammed for the M's
one out with Ibanez coming up - look out BiPolar!

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does "look out"...
mean "give up a bases clearing double to put the M's ahead 4-3"?
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After the first,
Weaver has settled down and limited the damage to one hit per inning and has allowed no more runs.  Now in the sixth, Marquis hit Weaver and walked Ichiro and Weaver scored on an error by DeRosa.  It figures, the M's have one hit against Marquis and now they score and have the bases loaded (Marquis just walked Guillen) without the benefit of a single hit. Now Ibanez clears the bases with a double (only their second hit of the game) and the M's take the lead.  Wow, only the Cubs! And now Marquis is out of the game.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This Cubs -Mariners game
makes my MLB.TV subscription -- that I've hardly used -- worth it.
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But
that pong noise is annoying.
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Betty with Lou vs. Tony
I think Lou keeps a much shorter leash on Betty than Tony did. That's like the second game in a row where Lou takes him out when I think Tony would have kept him in.

I'm starting to think Marquis isn't pitching that much better as Lou is just getting him out at the right time.

by enoscountry on Jun 14, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Helps to lower his ERA over last year.
'Cause as we know, once Betty loses it, he really loses it.
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tony
liked to make him clean up his own messes.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marquis first 7 vs. last 7
marquis, first 7 starts in 2007:

5-1, 1.70 era, 0.90 whip, 1.85 K/bb

last 7 starts:

0-2, 5.09 era, 1.58 whip, 1.22 K/bb

The scary thing is that Marquis' last 7 starts would make him the Birds' second-best pitcher

by salvomania on Jun 14, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs Sharpie
Did anyone see the commercial for the Cubs-logo-emblazoned Sharpie giveaway coming up at Wrigley?  I mean, please, would anyone honestly go to a game for that??
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My friend makes huge money
selling Wrigley field promotions on Ebay.

Last year he made about $250 on this Cubs Mothers Day precious moments figurine.  

http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a4/aa/f561_1.JPG

He offered $5 dollars to people at the game and sold them for $20.

by enoscountry on Jun 14, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey
that Ichiro guy is a pretty good defender!

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

News flash - Weaver's ERA now below 11!
at 99 pitches they need to take him now for a shot at his first win

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Cubs have runners on first and third w/ one out and still can't score a run.  This is some entertaining baseball.  Weaver gets a quality start at the very least and possibly his first win.  Wonder if he is wishing he stayed in the NL.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver's crazy
He would be much better off in the weaker NL, and in the weakest division of all -- the NL Central.

I much prefer our current rotation of Wells, Looper, Wainwright, Wellemeyer, and Thompson.  That rocks!!  (Not a knock on WW in any way -- he's the best.)

Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take Me Out To The Ballgame
That was the worst rendition I've ever heard.
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Considering
that the Fray are a professional band, they are really bad singers.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is Marquis' ERA up to now?
After today's amazing craptastic meltdown.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still low...
Marquis is the master of the unearned run. Usually he can rely on his fielders to immunize him against ERs. If they don't, he's not above chucking one to the ballgirl...

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3.14 ERA
Isn't that pie? Yumm.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Homer Simpson. ;P
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brewers in meltdown mode again...
bottom of the ninth starts single-single-double... still no outs...

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dang it...
That's a deflating loss for the Tiggers. Craig Monroe blows. 0 for 5 with 5 strikeouts, the last coming in the bottom of the ninth with the tying run on 3rd and one out.

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tigers
come up short.  Runner on third in a one run game and Rabelo strikes out swinging.  But Coco almost blew it against an AL team again.  Too bad.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love reading BCB...
...very entertaining.  Like this comment from pies20ready:  "this team needs to be tazered"

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lookout Landing is usually pretty good too
Winning or losing, you can almost always find a thread and get a few chuckles.
Two-thirds of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Jim Edmonds

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 14, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't go to LL now
they went batshit when Morrow lost the game today.  Completely batshit.  i've never seen the F word so many times in my life.  If people think it gets a little hard nosed here they should glance over there.  

by azruavatar on Jun 14, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding
A game thread with over 800 entries would take some time to go through.  Filtering out the profanity would cut it down dramatically!

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's impressive
That's quite an f-bombardment they had going.

Brandon Morrow though... He's got a 9.36 K/9 yet a 1.04 K:BB!

by liam on Jun 15, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

m's blow it
weaver doesn't get a win, betty off the hook.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jun 14, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dang
Betty is off the hook and Weaver won't get his first win.  We really need a win tonight to keep pace.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs rally for 2 or more in the bottom of the 8th
rats.  And Weaver won't get his first win - and Marquis won't get a loss.  Strange goings on in Chicago today.

by wildman on Jun 14, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That blows
The M's could have had the Cubs, but no, they let them off the hook.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Kiko!
Haven't seen you in a while.  
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Predict the final score -- Houston / Oakland
Ok, who can predict the final score (and inning) of the Astros and A's game?  

I'm gonna go with 7-5 A's, 10th inning.

It's 5-5 going into the top of the 9th right now.

Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll say 6-5 Stros...
on a Carlos Lee walkoff in the 9th...

A trifecta of suckiness for Cardinal fans today. The Brewers, Cubs, and Stros all pull out close ones...

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost!
Lee just hit one to the warning track in right, in front of the 373 sign.  2 out, Lamb up.
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost right should be my middle name...
At least now we might get to see Wheeler. That's always fun. The Astros options now are: a second inning from Lidge, Moehler, or Wheeler. All bad options imo.

by guayzimi on Jun 14, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on the fence
but if Houston wins, it will be a good week for the NL Central against AL teams.  Pirates, Flubs and Brewers have all won their series.  Reds lost theirs, so it is up to Cards and 'Stros to get it done for the Central.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the second
extra innings game for A's/Astros in the series.  Are the A's slumping, because I don't think its because the Astros are that good.  Maybe the 'Stros can wear them down for us before this weekend.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 14, 2007 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope so
I've got tickets to 2 of the 3 games...
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 14, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steroids
ok johnnie morton has flunked a test and supposedly was 10x the limit..did it help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mniHJAQmNG8

Kelly Stinnett the new power to the cards lineup.

by punchinjudy on Jun 14, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

boros
Wow, boros gets name checked on Deadspin!!  Way to go boros!  By the way, I know what the crime is but I'll defer to boros himself.

by lerwin1 on Jun 14, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, you are a stronger man that i boss
i would have let rip with a cubs insult. great story. good luck, hope the trial is over quickly.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 14, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Line up via bernie.....
Eck has a "lower back issue" and TLR isn't sure when he'll return.
Not sure if (when?) Ryan will be recalled from Memphis.

Lineup tonite:

Kennedy 4
Taguchi 7
Pujols 3
Edmonds 8
Rolen 5
Encarnacion 9
Duncan DH
Stinnett 2
Miles 6

2/3rd's of the earth is covered by water, the other third is coverd by Jim Edmonds

by cardsphan04 on Jun 14, 2007 7:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch
And Wells is the pitcher........
Free Anthony Reyes!

by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if he'll return?
Like, his career is over?
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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