Game 63 Open Thread: June 14, 2007, 7:10 CDT
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lord a-mighty, look at those eras; kip wells has a full one-run advantage over his opponent tonight. wells had a couple of quasi-encouraging outings in late may, walking just one man in each of his last two starts that month, but so far in june he's walked 8 guys in 10 innings and has thrown fewer than 60 percent of his pitches for strikes. here's a mildly interesting split:
| avg | obp | slg | pa / hr | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| pitches 1-75 | .247 | .325 | .426 | 32 |
| pitches 76+ | .366 | .447 | .620 | 18 |
the split very well might be random, but insofar as wells only threw 44 innings last season it's not that far-fetched to theorize that he still lacks stamina; maybe they should get the guy out of there after the 5th inning for a few starts. . . . . another idea about wells: i'd like to see him rely more heavily on his fastball. he throws his 4-seam 92-94 consistently with movement, and his sinker in the high 80s with movement; it's no big deal if he fails to locate either pitch with great precision, because i don't think batters can square those pitches up even if they're on the fat ot the plate. still not quite caught up on my pitch-charts for wells, but my gut instinct is that he's getting hurt on his off-speed pitches more so than on his fastballs.
| kennedy 2b |
| taguchi lf |
| pujols 1b |
| edmonds cf |
| rolen 3b |
| encarnacion rf |
| duncan dh |
| stinnett c |
| miles ss |
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Hey lboros
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 14, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
Kip Wells is still pitching?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Since he went like 2 for his body weight
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
about relying too much on breaking pitches
I have a concern about Wainwright last night
Anyone else notice this?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
Warning everyone now.
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
the hit and run, a beautiful thing
dang it Albert. at least the Cards got a first inning lead like last night.
Way to go Wells
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions
kippersly doesn't get it
wells
by thefordhamflash on Jun 14, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Kip is freaking terrible
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
it's clear that neither starting pitcher
This is already excrutiating
by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 14, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions
Kipper is concerned for KC
Emil Brown a Cardinal?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
according to
January 18, 2004: Signed as a Free Agent with the St. Louis Cardinals.Who did the Cards trade for in 2004?May 2, 2004: Released by the St. Louis Cardinals.
According to the announcers
I'd sure like Brown's bat coming off the bench.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Must be Roger Cedeno
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
He was in Memphis
What happened to the guy?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
mabry?
If I remember correctly
Note to Rawlings:
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't be so sure
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Please do not bring that up.
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it too much to ask
by CardFaninVA on Jun 14, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
Duncan---born to be a DH
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
That's what SHE said
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the over and under ....
Absolutely
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
A hurt Scott Rolen
1-armed Scott Rolen > Adam Kennedy
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I luv Dunk
is there a documented medical condition
He works slower than Suppan
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we need to institute softball rules
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
Something funny
My instructor, who used to be a High School Guidance Counselor in the area, just related a story about young latin student who barely spoke english who came into his office. The counselor asked him what he wanted to do with his life. The boy said he wanted to play professional ball. The counselor told him he didn't think he could do that.
That boy is Albert. Can you imagine telling Albert not to play ball? Glad Albert didn't listen to him. Instructors says it was his biggest mistake.
Can you prescribe medicine?
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
by arthropodtodd on Jun 14, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid laws.
"How does that make you feel?"
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I can do that now...
by arthropodtodd on Jun 14, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Like calling my girlfriend
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
what I can do...
by arthropodtodd on Jun 14, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Grand slam in 3...2....1
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
IDIOT!
i can't stand this
i'd rather watch jason marquis.
How can he make another start?
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
steps
step two: stick wells in the back of the bullpen and don't let him out until he's fixed or fired.
step three: to quote Jeff Goldblum, there is no step three.
reyes may not be fixed himself
Well looks like tonights gonna be a barn burner...which offense will die first?
To me
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No more bets, ladies and gents...
I don't believe
Next time Wells is at a Majoe League park
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
Kip is GONE
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
Kip Wells, I hereby dub thee
It's a catastrophe.
It's a clusterfuck.
Stop! You're both right!
DFA Wells,
I don't ever want to see Kip Wells again
by Big Red on Jun 14, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know
ah who am i kidding.
It's far past time to say
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 14, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously, let's be honest here....
I know I could; but then again, I'm lefthanded. :)
see yeah KIPPY
Well...
Not ready to speculate.....
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 14, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
out of the rotation?
by MikeG on Jun 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus.
I think he are an orange in the dugout :\
by Jonathan23 on Jun 14, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Its finally happened
by Jonathan23 on Jun 14, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
Hell
by arthropodtodd on Jun 14, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thus sayeth Mike Shannon....
'Nuff said.
by cardsgirlinAR on Jun 14, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
How about some fantasy news as a distraction?
Do I make the trade before I've seen Gallardo pitch? He's supposedly an all star in the making, but the uncertainty makes me nervous.
Let's pull a baby Jessica
.200 and no glove.
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
AK continues to makes errors
again i ask the board
at least I'd ad flair...wear a hawk, maybe do the slide into the mound like in Angels in the OF. oh ya and I'll do it for 60k a yr
In play, run(s)
Kip Wells and Adam Kennedy can go fuck themselves.
Or each other. Whatever.
by Petkovsek on Jun 14, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Rolen called time
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
good gawd make it stop!
I can't watch this
by CardFaninVA on Jun 14, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Ok, Albert's going to choke AK
Maybe
by CardFaninVA on Jun 14, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan and Al
This inning will just not end
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 14, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Flores giving up 5 hits in less than an inning only compounds the problem.
We'll still win though, because we're facing Scott Elarton, but ya know....
by Petkovsek on Jun 14, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
the team looks flat & lackadaisical
as was said above
by 10worldchamps on Jun 14, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
The only thing keeping me going is the irrational belief that this inning will end someday and the Royals crappy pitcher will take his turn giving up millions of runs.
Then again, it seems like the players on this team have already given up on this game. cough wellsfloreskennedyrolen cough I say substitute everyone you can for rookies looking to make an impression and let them go to work on the Royals pitching staff.
So rumor is...
by rkuly on Jun 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
My Theory
Oh......
Confirmed
Incidentally, Gallardo was outpitched on Tuesday by the Cardinals top pitching prospect who will hopefully follow him up to the majors.
Thanks for the info
and Tony Soprano
Right now I'm calling for
Scott Rolen's head
Wells' head
Wellemeyer's head
And
the front office for leaving us with these players
by rkuly on Jun 14, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
I have
to catch a case of the clap.
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
but at least wellemeyer has kept them in games
by willievinceterry on Jun 14, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
something is wrong with flores...
by willievinceterry on Jun 14, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
Scott Elarton
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 14, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
so in a few minutes
my goodness
Jeez...
Has anyone ever been DFA'd during a game? If not, can Kip be the first?
here we go
pop out
fly out?
Bases loaded no out
by Petkovsek on Jun 14, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
sweet we've had a Danny jackson
gotta luv KC
time for the O to get all those runs back and more. Juan and Scotty, do your thing.
Well, at least
First-pitch swinging
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 14, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
I'm going to try out for KC
what is scott thinking swinging at the first pitch
This game's turning into
by 3rdgencardsfan on Jun 14, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
Add Juan to the list of sucynesscrapaliciousness.
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
he has a 13-game hitting streak
by willievinceterry on Jun 14, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
"You get the feeling this might be the...
I would've agreed with that three weeks ago. I'm not so sure post-injury. I know he's got 2 HRs in the last few weeks, but I'm still not convinced that he's going to catch up to a fastball by this nutjob.
Refund
Edmonds might be hurt
Short Leash???
Tony lets his starter give up three hits, four walks, and one plunked, while giving back a 3 run lead.
The cubs only went down by a run and came back to win. We go down by five and there are fat ladies singing.
Learn anything?
by Birds on the Bat on Jun 14, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
Well, we don't
My God
FINALLY
America may run on Dunkin Donuts, but the Cards run on Chris "Slam" Duncan.
Why not?
by 10worldchamps on Jun 14, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
to say goodbye before leaving for memphis
hate to say it
And did I really just see kennedy fly out on the first pitch after a 4 pitch leadoff walk?
jiminez gets KC to go 1-2-3
How bad
It helps when Kip is pitching. I don't see why he gets his next turn.
Swing at 1st pitch after a guy get walked.
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Kennedy is a DUMBASS
NEXT!!!
Yowza!
We just lost 2 of 3 to the Kansas City Royals
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
a couple of days ago
my lesson: we have to adjust our expectations.
Box score in paper tomorrow
2313261465452123156465465411313202315647897/9*/453123100.+2163164+6464 light years.
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
Jiminiez has shown NOTHING
Let's see
...haha
I thought they were supposed to call baseball games...not tell jokes.
For a while
Maybe it will rain
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
Uncle
UNCLE.
UNCLE!
I can't believe this is happening, and in a sick way, I can.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 14, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Drinking game
One drink
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind being Kip Wells
Al seems to think so.
Did we just get batted around twice?
Haiku posted on P-D website...
Tyler Johnson's new hairdo
Which is scarier?
Let's make up haiku for the rest of the game...maybe that will make the pain even go away...
Here's another:
Molina Mulder
Carpenter on the DL
Summer will be swell
As optimistic as I was just 2 days ago
Rolen is my favorite player on this team, even more than Pujols, but he has got to go.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
Why must Rolen go?
It's clear that the leg injury is more than
We don't have anything to replace him, I know, but I think he is the player (other than Izzy) that we can get the most for.
Oh, and in other news, Pujols hasn't driven a ball well since injuring his leg on Speezer's errant throw on Sunday. Just great!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not giving up yet
I'll still argue that I think we'll be able to get a lot for proven relief. If you look at trades in the past, you'll notice that relievers with Ryan Franklin type numbers can bring in a lot more than you'd think.
Plus, we're in the NL central. If we drop Wells, and Reyes pitches anything like he's capable of, that's going to make quite the difference in its own. Then once Carp and Mulder come back . . .
There's no reason to panic yet. We just need to make one move at a time, and that move for now is to DFA Wells.
oh my GAWD
haiku game #2
earned run average sky high
Kip Wells we love you
Ok, my turn
Kennedy a disaster
Woe is the world champs
by 10worldchamps on Jun 14, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Game
I really hate Kipper Wells
Wells must go elsewhere
by saladdin69 on Jun 14, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Edit (improved English)
Kennedy a disaster
World champs full of woe
by 10worldchamps on Jun 14, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologists
Isn't Duncan
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
RSTN guys just said
my how the mighty have fallen. the Royals announcers are making jokes about the Cards. this night just keeps getting better and better. ugh
Jimmy should have dove for that ball
Iwas hoping
Right now I'm thinking of leaping
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
you can beat the hell out of the Cards
has he every hit a more meaningless home run?
Teahan should take one in the ear
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
I turned it off
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
We need to play defense
We have to go into every pile looking to strip the ball.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You know
This is ridiculous. Thrown me a frickin' bone here people, really.
by sgfcards on Jun 14, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
After tonight's loss...
by willievinceterry on Jun 14, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Wells ERA is now equal to Ponson's
In the off season we had reason to believe that without Bi-Polar Betty, we had to do better this year. But he at least showed up half the time. Does that make Wells Mono-Polar?
by Birds on the Bat on Jun 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
which Tony will show up during the post game?
mad Tony
Cause THAT is what broke the camels back
You're right Tony, it was Jim Edmonds not scoring in the 3rd inning.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2007 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
this certanly has the making
If he is going to attack the clubhouse leader
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i've hinted at it
Tony is back to crazy guy that he was when we were all miserable last summer..
Letting some pithcers go too long, guy with a bum knee not DHing..that puzzled us all...
by punchinjudy on Jun 15, 2007 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't call it attacking Jimmy
it's not the first time they've butted heads. just yesterday in fact Jimmy said this about not starting "Anything I say is just going to get me in trouble"
and Tony in response said, "He hasn't hit well (.162) against lefthanders. He's still got some aches and pains. We're playing nine in a row. I'd hate like hell for him to play today and miss a better matchup for him. He's been here since 2000 and there's been days he wanted to play where I didn't think that was a good thing. And we still talked the next day."
so who knowns what's going on with these two. i think they both need to stop this crap. it's not good for the Cards for them to be playing stupid macho head games in the media.
Okay, I'm going to say it.....
The man has clearly
Pythagoras shakes his head, sadly
We're on pace to score 663 and allow 853. That projects to a 62-100 record this season.
But that's only if we allow Kip Wells to step on the mound again. Something must be done.
Just for fun
Date Opp DR GmReslt IP H R ER BB SO HR
Apr 24 CIN 4 L 3-10 4.2 9 8 7 3 0 3
May 16 LAD 4 L 4-5 5 6 5 5 6 5 1
Jun 8 LAA 5 L 6-10 5 7 3 3 5 6 0
Jun 14 KCR 4 L 8-17 1.1 3 6 6 4 1 0
Cards should have won atleast 2 of those games. He is worse than Marquis ever was.
Even though, he didn't replace Marquis...Looper did.
TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
BLooper STL 6 5 4.12 13 13 0 0 78.2 80 37 36 7 2 27 40
JMarquis CHC 5 3 3.14 14 14 1 1 83.0 68 37 29 7 5 31 46
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2007 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
a game like this
at this point, how could reyes possibly be any worse? i dont think it is possible
i also would like to see jimenez sent out, but who should replace him? dove and falkenborg have both been up and failed already, i dont think percival will be ready for at least a week or more, so what does that leave, should they try perez now? he couldnt be any worse
i have to say as well, a game like this makes it so hard to have any good feelings about the team, the offense did ok, but how often do u face elarton?
how sad is it to think that marquis, simontacchi, woody, even ponson could possibly all right now make our starting rotation better?





















