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we're no. 15

hallelujah --- the cards are out of the cellar in nl runs scored. they passed the nationals yesterday to slip into 15th place. the astros lie dead ahead, 9 runs distant; pass them, and the cards can shed the ignominy of having the weakest offense in the weakest division in baseball. another cause for rejoicing: yesterday's output nudged the cards' scoring average past four runs a game for the first time all year.

small triumphs . . . . they may have to suffice this year, so we may as well celebrate 'em.

on the flip side, st louis is now tied for dead last in national league team era, at 4.77. they occupied the bottom by themselves for a day or two, but yesterday the phillies got bombarded for 17 runs at the hands of stl's next opponent, the (gulp) royals, to sink to the cardinals' level. couple of interesting things to note about that, however. first, the cards are much closer to league-average than to league-worst in the component stats (batting avg, on-base, and slugging):

avg obp slg era
league avg .260 .329 .409 4.14
cardinals .269 (11th) .334 (10th) .426 (13th) 4.77 (16th)
league worst .280 (pgh) .355 (fla) .464 (phi) 4.77 (phi/stl)

we can chalk those anomalies up to reyes' and wells' terrible numbers with men on base --- if the cards simply do a better job of stranding runners henceforth (and they ought to improve just by random chance), they'll see that era come down quickly. here's another interesting item: against national league teams only, the cardinal pitchers aren't half-bad:

era avg obp slg w-l
cards vs nl 4.31 .254 .311 .375 26-28
nl avg 4.14 .260 .329 .409 27-27
cards vs al 9.17 .363 .418 .553 1-5

the fact that the cards actually salvaged a game against the angels is in itself a rare achievement: it was their first regular-season win in two years (less two days) against an american league team with a winning record. that last happened in this game, one of the more memorable ones of a memorable year. just another reminder of how unexpected, how downright bizarre, the cardinals' world series victory was last october.

against teams that currently have winning records, the cardinals are now 4-16 in 2007; they're 23-17 against everybody else. against the nl central, st louis in 19-14, a .576 clip. the cardinals play 44 of their final 66 games inside the division, and 27 of their final 33 --- and carpenter will be back by then. just gotta stay close . . . .

items:

  • since he injured his knee during the last week of may, chris duncan is 2 for 22 with zero walks and 12 strikeouts. one of the hits was a homer . . . .
  • pujols is slugging .886 for the month of june; encarnacion, .818.
  • bernie miklasz did an interesting breakdown of pujols' swing tendencies; i reckon he's using some proprietary data from stats inc, bis, or the like. the upshot: albert has been notably less aggressive than usual on the first pitch this year. something to keep an eye on.
  • 3 of the cardinals' 4 active minor-league affiliates boast a league-leader in home runs. brandon buckman is pacing the midwest league with 14 clouts; allen craig sits atop the florida state league leaderboard with 13 (his teammate mark hamilton is 2d in the league with 12 hr, and tied for the league lead in rbi); and joltin' joe mather leads the texas league with 17 bombs. caveats: first, all these guys are old for their league, dominating weaker competition; second, three of the four are natural first basemen. all four of these guys are good candidates to move up a level just before or after the all-star break, but if they ever help the big-league club at all it's likely to be as trade fodder.
  • here's a bizzarro world interview with ozzie smith . . . .
  • spot reportage of the springfield cardinals at whiteyball and, remotely, the swing of the quads at future redbirds.

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LB:

Maybe I am mistaken, but the last sentence of the fourth paragraph seems to have an extra unecessary word, "here's another interesting item: they against national league teams only, the cardinal pitchers aren't half-bad"

Thought you'd like to know.

by Zubin on Jun 11, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

typos suck
thanks, zubin --- i'll fix it.

by lboros on Jun 11, 2007 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Immortal
That Yankees game featured a home run by the immortal Scott Seabol, who I notice has not played a major league game since the 2005 season.  I wonder where he's at these days (I'll have egg on my face if he's at Memphis).  

by raisin on Jun 11, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not at memphis...
He's playing for the Albaquerqe Isotopes (I have no idea how to spell that city name)
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 11, 2007 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seabol hit 2 HRs
off Troy Cate on Saturday night.

I know, I was there. Cate did not look good at all.

by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 11, 2007 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i remember that game now!!
i think it was a grand slam by seabol if im not mistaken. also, i believe that seabol is no longer in the organization (and may actually be out of baseball all together).

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 11, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks LB
baseball reference has him being granted free agency after the '05 season and never being resigned.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 11, 2007 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball Cube
You can get basic minor league statistics and good transaction information for all players at The Baseball Cube. Scott Seabol's page is here

by liam on Jun 11, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that home run
I also saw us beat the Red Sox the week before. That was a great Cardinals four pack of tickets.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 11, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You, sir, are amazing
Larry, how did you ever find a piece in the Kane County Chronicle?  You seem to have links to everything on the Web that even remotely concerns the Cardinals.  How do you find the time to dig all of this stuff up?  On the subject of the Royals - they certainly smacked the Phillies around over the weekend, especially on Sunday.  I hope we fare better than that team wearing road grey and red against the boys in blue.  I am taking comfort in the fact that Albert OWNS game 2 starter, Odalis Perez, in spite of Perez' left-handedness.    

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No doubt...
That Ozzie piece is hilarious. I particularly loved the "Whitey" question--never thought about the sweet irony of that. As for the Royals, I hope they're going into the series as grim-faced warriors on a mission and not thinking "Oh well, it's just Kansas City. We always beat them." If it's the latter, they (we) may be in for a not so pleasant surprise.

by rockin redbird on Jun 11, 2007 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bannister
may provide a wake-up call if the boys do approach the game with a "it's just the Royals" attitude.  He has pitched well in his last two outings and (according to the bio on Probable Pitchers) "has been very tough on right-handed batters."  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2007 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

royals are playing .500 over the last month or so
13-14 in their last 27 games; cardinals have exactly the same record over that stretch. and royals have taken 4 of 6 vs nl competition this year --- phillies and rockies, who both have better records than the cardinals . . . . .

just the same, that's the type of team the cardinals have to fatten up on if they're gonna get back into it.

by lboros on Jun 11, 2007 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really enjoyed that
interview of Ozzie Smith.  You know, my son played on a couple of fall ball teams with his son Dustin (that's not the singing one) and I actually sat in the stands at Manchester Atheletic Association and talked with him.  Not about baseball, but about kids getting through high school in one piece.  In fact, I always felt too awkward to even bring up that I even knew who he was, other than one of the kids' dad.  He was always a pleasant fellow.

by jillsinmo on Jun 11, 2007 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interview with Ozzie
Reminds me of the interviews Chris Farley used to do on SNL.  I was waiting for "Remember when you got into the Hall of Fame?  That was awesome!"

by tdawg on Jun 11, 2007 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And that backflip
you did in 1985?  That was really cool.  Really, really cool.

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Jun 11, 2007 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Royals
have kinda had the Cards number over the last few years, so this "it's just the Royals" mentality won't fly; for the team, or for the fans.

by cardsrul on Jun 11, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree
with this assertion, ignoring "kinda" as the uncertainty factor:

Cardinals record against KC, last six seasons, information provided free of charge by Retrosheet:

2006  4-2
2005  2-1
2004  3-0
2003  3-3
2002  5-1
2001  0-3

So you have to go all the way back to 2001 to say the Royals beat the Cardinals in the season series -- and back to 2003 to say they tied in the season series.  I'll take 4-2 this year, though I'd like 6-0.  And about yesterday's 17 against the Phillies -- they'll wish they saved some for the Cards.

5 1/2 back and charging (limping?  crawling?) . . .

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Jun 11, 2007 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, bad link
My bad above, Retrosheet is here.

by TedSimmonsFan on Jun 11, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly
what makes me nervous. They aren't good enough this year to assume anything. But I'm sure TLR's usual "take nothing for granted" attitude will prevail. I'll be thrilled with a 4-2 happy ending.

by rockin redbird on Jun 11, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta agree with TSF
Although I'd like 6-0, I will take 4-2 over the Royals and be happy about it.  Take nothing for granted, boys, nothing.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going to Tuesday's game
At Kauffman with my Royals-fan brother in law. There is absolutely no shi*-giving in our family, nope. I'll try to report on the game Wednesday...or something.

I've caught a couple of I-70 Interleague series...I especially remember the first one in 1997. It was right after we got McGwire and the Royals won by ten or something...the next day they got in a brawl. It was awesome.

"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Jun 11, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

going to all three royals games
once they get back to STL. i would love 3-0 then and 5-1 for the season series.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 11, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly not assuming
or taking for granted that the Royals will be a walk in the park.  The 2007 Cardinals are not the machine we've grown accustomed to in recenter years.  I walk into the next paragraph with eyes wide open regarding my favorite team's deficiencies.

However, if you were gonna pick an AL team to play 6 of your next 9 against, who would you choose ahead of the Royals?  Texas is a half-game worse, the White Sox and Devil Rays are a few games better.  KC's the shortest flight of the bunch for the 3 road games.  In recent years, the Cardinals have played well in their stadium.  I'm thinking this is the best opportunity to make up some ground on the stumbling NL Central leader.

TSF

by TedSimmonsFan on Jun 11, 2007 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with your assessment
of advantages of playing the Royals over other AL teams.  I would add a couple more:  Albert always seems to play well there with friends and family cheering him on and so many outlaying Cards fans show up at Kauffman that it is like having a home field advantage on the road.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Table 1
LB, are the first three vertical columns in Table 1 correct?  How can the league average be lower than the league worst for those statistics? It doesn't make sense.

by CURVEBALL on Jun 11, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitching
The league average BA-against is .260.  The league worst is .280.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is anyone else surprised
to see Pittsburgh as having the league worst BA against in the NL?  I don't know about their other pitching stats, but their offense is so terrible that I thought it was their pitching that was keeping them respectable.  Snell's good, Gorzelanny's OK -- I know it's not Wells and Wellemeyer but it's keeping them out of the cellar and ahead of the 'stros.

by chuckb on Jun 11, 2007 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's the bullpen
Their starting pitching hasn't been too bad, but once the starter's out of the game all bets are off.

by nybirdgirl on Jun 11, 2007 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They also have
atrocious fielding.  Plenty of balls that should be played, end up hits.  The Brewers have this same problem to a lesser extent.

by jillsinmo on Jun 11, 2007 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When is Percival getting to Memphis?
He was signed on Friday and didn't pitch either Saturday or Sunday.  With the tired bullpen we have now, it'd be nice if he could get his '2 week' clock ticking.
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2007 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

from the memphis redbird's site...
Former Angels star reliever Troy Percival is expected to join the Redbirds when they return to Memphis Monday.
"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on Jun 11, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder how they'll make roster space
They ought to promote that one guy who's had two good starts and major league experience.

by liam on Jun 11, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope...
...we don't give him the Eli Marrero treatment for not going to join the team on the roadtrip.

by whopperman on Jun 11, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees game - 2005
It doesn't look like NYY had a winning record before that game, either. Am I missing something?
The Cards at night, are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas

by texbird on Jun 11, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no ---- you are correct
i missed it --- didn't even look at the current record. the yanks ended up with 95 wins that year, so i just assumed . . . . . . my bad.

that means last reg-season win vs a +.500 al team came in this game, slightly more than 2 years ago. good catch, texbird.

by lboros on Jun 11, 2007 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which your loyal readers know was the biggest
blowout between the previous season's World Series rivals prior to this game, right?  

by Zubin on Jun 11, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Revenge of the Also-rans"
A pleasant ending in 2005, as the Cardinals roughed up the Red Sox after getting swept in the WS.  Not so pleasant for the Cards in 2007, with the Tigers doing the honors after winning only one game in the WS.  But I'll take a Championship over a regular season series victory any day.  Revenge may be sweet, but the trophy still shines just as brightly as it did in October.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wanna see something funny?
Go here and read about ESPN.com's great new player rating metric.  I know Albert's had a kind of tough year, but they've got him rated 46th in MLB--behind such stars as Kelly Johnson and our old buddy Al Reyes.  Click on the Cards' individual stats and they've got Aaron Miles as more valuable than Jim Edmonds.  

I know ESPN.com isn't very bright, but I can't believe they're not embarrassed to use this system.

by Archaeopteryx on Jun 11, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
Albert is ranked ahead of Carlos Lee and David Wright, so parts of it are right.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe...
these are only current year ratings, so it is no suprise that Jimmy is pretty low and Albert isnt currently as high as he probably will be at the end.

by FunkeeC on Jun 11, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...
...I know Albert's had a slow start.  Any system that values Al Reyes more than Pujols is messed up--even if the point is to measure how well a player has done so far this year.  Do you think there's a human being anywhere on the earth that would rather have Reyes on his team than Pujols (and I'm not picking on Reyes--I loved the guy when he was a Card, and I'm pleased he's having a good year for the Rays).

by Archaeopteryx on Jun 11, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think your comment
ignores the fact that this ranking system is purely a staistical analysis.   The only things that matters is the value of the statistics produced by the player.  All the power rankings are saying is: thru the first 2 mos, Al Reyes is roughly equivalent to Pujols, statistically speaking.  
I have no problem with that statement.  Thus far, Reyes has had an incredible year and Pujols has been mediocre.  We all expect that at the end of the year, the stats will be more true to form.
"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on Jun 11, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read
this or this for why the rating system is totally bunk.  The "stat" is totally arbitrary in assigning value and does nothing but confuse player evaluations.

by azruavatar on Jun 11, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see
that Nate Silver doesn't think much of it.  I am not a stathead, but I fail to see how rankings based on 2-2.5 months of data from a sport w/ a six month season adds much worthwhile to any discussion.  

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um just read this:
"What's unique about the ESPN Player Ratings is that they put all types of players' performances (batters, starting pitchers, relievers) into the context of where they rank in the major leagues. The ratings do not discriminate or favor a certain type of player. Sluggers, top-of-the-order hitters, starters, closers and set-up men all earn points that contribute to their rating based on where they rank against their peers."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2897967

by Zubin on Jun 12, 2007 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sdf
ESPN's rating is hilariously useless.  I get a great deal of amusement out of the fact that they designed the system so that a pitcher with 27 good innings is judged to have been as valuable as one of the better position players in the game has been in twenty times the playing time, and that they actually trumpet this as one of the great features of the system.

by cpebbles on Jun 11, 2007 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I *do* have a problem with that statement.
I concede that Reyes is having an excellent season--for him.  Albert's season has been so-so--for him.  But can you honestly say that on any day of this season that you'd rather have Al Reyes on your roster than Albert Pujols?  Can you honestly say that Al Reyes has been more valuable--in any real sense of the word--than Pujols?    

by Archaeopteryx on Jun 11, 2007 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
Maybe Albert will read it and go him some more home runs >)

by TNFan32 on Jun 11, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wwl is everything wrong with sports today
no one takes them seriously reguarding anything anymore. they are useless enless your actually watching a sporting event. and even then, most of the time you need to watch it muted because the guys calling the game will make your ears bleed. they make the Rockies guys sound like harvard grads.

glad the Cards had the day off. even not being able to watch the game yesterday because it wasnt on dtv ei, i needed a break. i'm sure Dunk did too. he's really pressing. which makes me wonder if he's really 100% healthy, or is he currently going through a sophmore slump? ryan howard's having a bad year compared to last year as well. so Dunk's not alone in his misery.

The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 11, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aramis Ramirez to the DL for the Cubbies
being reported now.  He last played June 6, so he will be on the DL atleast until June 22.  He was really their most reliable offensive producer and unless Soriano is back for real, a nosedive could be in order for the Lovable Losers.

He wouldn't be back until the White Sox series.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not to mention
the fact that their bullpen pitched 15 1/3 innings in the last two days, and they don't have a day off for a whole week.  Apparently Marquis is available to be used in relief...

if only the astros had anyone but poor old woody pitching.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do you spell relief?
M-A-R-Q-U-I-S
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 11, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cards draft pick
Mike Stutes is pitching in the NCAA Regional game on ESPN right now.  His OSU Beavers are up 4-0 over Michigan in the 5th.

His line so far:
4 IP 1 hit 1 walk 0 ER 5 K's

Not too shabby

by stltrav09 on Jun 11, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ANother 1-2-3
He's retired 9 straight now.  6 K's total, 1 walk.

Extremely early impressions:
quick delivery
gets ahead and throws strikes
has an explosive fastball - only registering at 89-91 but it looks more like mid 90's

by stltrav09 on Jun 11, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oregon State
their catcher, Mitch Canham, was drafted in the late rounds last year by the Cardinals, but they had no real shot at signing him because he was planning on staying in school.  I believe the Padres drafted him this year, fairly high.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 11, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Final Line
8IP 3hits 1 walk 1 walk 9K's

Gave up a solo homer in the top of the 9th and they took him out with an 8-2 lead.  

by stltrav09 on Jun 11, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eddie Degerman's line for the night
5IP, 8Ks, 3BBs, 1 hit.  With Daley being put on the DL for Palm Beach, I wonder if he makes his next start in Florida...

by CardFaninVA on Jun 11, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Around the League update
After falling behind 7-0 to Seattle (and after ESPN analysts already counted it as a victory for seattle, seriously), the Indians have tied it up in the 8th at 7.  Right now bases loaded, 2 outs for Johnny Peralta.

by Molina4MVP on Jun 11, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry
Jhonny, not Johnny.  what a weirdo.

by Molina4MVP on Jun 11, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jhonny
is kinda like Dwyane Wade
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 11, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs win 2-1
Zambrano throws a gem. No Marquis sighting.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Jun 11, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You all know that
Zambrano is a free agent after this year.  Personally, I'd love to see him here.  We could never get him in a trade, but we sure could wave some money at him......he's young, he's fiery, he can hit, he can pitch, and I just bet he'd get along well with Yadi.  I'll forgive him for decking Michael Barrett--he just did what everyone else on the team wanted to do.  

by jillsinmo on Jun 11, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone who calls themselves Big Z
can play for someone else. that dude is a head case, and full of needless drama. total drama queen. dont forget this is the same guy that skipped games for email elbow. also he cares nothing about wining, he only cares about getting PAID. the flubs keep saying they will announce him resigned when new owners are announced. so looks like we get to watch beat on his teammate in the windy city for the forseable future.
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 11, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all aboard
flight #747 just left SF. Bonds ties the game at 3.
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 11, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I looked at the box score when I saw your post,
and I had no idea Matty Mo was having such a great season. He got the win tonight with a complete game. He's now 7-3 with a 2.56 ERA; and his last start he took the loss even though he went 8 innings and allowed 1 run. I thought it was a good idea to let him go after '05, but I'm very happy to see him have such a great season so far.

by BTown Birds fan on Jun 12, 2007 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was pitching hurt last year
he has a cracked or broken ribs. and he said nothing. dude's a gamer. but we already kew that. now he's back to normal. almost. i've seen a few of his starts, when his curve isn't working, he's very hittable because he's lost some mph on his fastball. he got shelled twice in april. but he's been good for most of the year. i thought he was done, but apparently i was wrong. maybe Walt should call up SF and see what it would take to get him back? the Giants are in worse shape than we are. he is having a wonderful year, and i'm glad for him as well. he's one of the good guys.  

how happy would we be right now if we never let Matty Mo and Danny go?  

The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jun 12, 2007 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haren
yes--that's spilt milk worth crying over. But MattyMo? I loved the guy for years, but remember 05? He kicked mucho ass in the first half, then completely folded after the ASB. As much as I loved him, I don't think I want him back. Too much Jekyll/Hyde potential for my taste.

by rockin redbird on Jun 12, 2007 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thinking about Mark Buehrle
and I can't help but wonder, could Ryan Franklin, Kelvin Jiminez and John Rodriguez/Skippy get him from the White Sox?  The White Sox need bullpen help and a CF.  

Franklin is only a 1 year (half year) rental anyways and he is cheap.  He has been pretty reliable and can be used as an 8th inning guy or as a #5 starter.  Jiminez has some upside, prone to the gopher ball, but strikes me as a rubber arm guy who can throw 5 out of 7 days.

The White Sox currently have 2 guys in CF who are God awful.  They've been regretting letting Rowand go since the day he left.  I'm not saying Skip is a world beater, however he is a decent defensive outfielder with speed.  With Dye leaving as a free agent, they need to stock that outfield with as many capable players as possible.  If not, perhaps they take John Rodriguez in hopes that his lefty power bat could reawaken and he could be a stopgap for Dye until something is found this off-season.

Odds are, the White Sox aren't going to get nearly what they think they deserve for Buehrle.  With Precival possibly being the future 8th inning guy for the Cardinals, and worst case scenerio TJ could fill the void, I think Franklin becomes expendable if not used as a starter more so than Izzy does.

The White Sox already have a closer and I doubt they would trade for Izzy to use him in the 8th inning.  That's not what he does and I believe he has a no-trade clause as a 10-5 guy.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ron Jacober
had a thought on KMOX this afternoon.  Actually, he was supporting a caller who said that the reason they got Percival was to try him as the 8th inning guy.  This frees Franklin to move to the rotation.  When Mulder and/or Carp come back, the next odd man out becomes Wainer, who goes back to the bullpen where he becomes crazy effective.  Eventually, he learns the closer role, and when Izzy finally ends his career with the Birds, Wainer steps in as the end all just like in the '06 playoffs.  So says Jacober.  Place your bets.

by tinstl on Jun 12, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wainwright isn't going back to the pen
from the Cardinals brass to almost every baseball talking head out there, Wainwright is viewed as a legit potential #2 starter for the Cardinals in the future.  Just because he ran into some arm trouble early this year doesn't make him more effective in the bullpen.

He was good in the playoffs, but he certainly wasn't Mr. Lights Out as a reliever in 2006.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 12, 2007 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I'm looking at the numbers
you put up and compairing them with those at Baseball Reference...and I noticed that the Cards are last (or first) in K's on offense. I have to ask:

1.) When did we become a "put the ball in play" type team?

2.) Why would we be a "put the ball in play" type team if LaDuncan thinks that the best thing to do as a pitcher is get the batter to "put the ball in play?"

by Harknights on Jun 12, 2007 12:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Big Z??
If Zambrano comes to St Louis, Ill never forgive them for stooping that low to acquire pitching. The guys nuts...period. Whiner, complainer, egotistical, inconsistent and needs his to have his rear end kicked.....and probably will in the near future, by Pinella! He promised Chicago a World Series in '07 and a Cy Young Award when they kicked in for the extra 6 million for this season when he realized how much the free agents got over the off season. Right! Bring back Matt...!

Buerhle chances of coming here seem to be on the wain as Chicago cant decide how much they want or what they want to do with him. He needs to show something.

"I don't need a damn number to tell me the guy's no good right now!" Old Casey.... Pitching, base running and defense!

by cardschinmusic on Jun 12, 2007 7:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Despite all of his flaws,
Zambrano is a GREAT pitcher.  He can hit, too.  He's young and capable of getting even better.  While the whole world focused on Prior and Wood, he was the one who managed to stay in the rotation and keep them in the game.  No, I'll take him and enjoy the fireworks.....Buerhle is not going to come here--we do not have anything the White Sox want and he's going to get Zito money when he's a free agent.  Beurhle is not going to be a Cardinal until he's old and broken and in the twilight of his career.

by jillsinmo on Jun 12, 2007 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buerhle is 28
old and broken

i didn't know 28 was the new 42

by azruavatar on Jun 12, 2007 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I KNOW Buerhle is 28......
I said he ain't coming here now.  If he ever gets here, he WILL be old and broken.  The free agent market is going to bring him Zito money--the kind of  money the Cardinals will never spend.

by jillsinmo on Jun 12, 2007 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reyes as a centerpiece seriously?
Think for one minute about if you were in Kenny Williams shoes, would you SERIOUSLY consider trading a guy like Buehrle for a guy with a career ERA over 5.00 and a season ERA over 6?  Lets put it this way, if the Cards were thinking about shopping Mulder last year at this time (a fair comparison to Buehrle, pre-injuries), would they have accepted anything less than a top-prospect and other young, talented players?  Absolutely not, because if you want a guy who can help you as much as Buehrle, you have to give up your best prospect, and then some. The Cards will not do this, even though they should consider it.  There is a very short window left to compete for them with Edmonds, Encarnacion, Rolen, and Carpenter all getting up there in age.  Bottom line is that if the Cardinals seriously want Buehrle, they will not be able to get him without giving up either Wainright or Rasmus and some other decent talent as well.  They will not do this, thus they will not get Buehrle, because this world is not a fairy-tale, and the Cards will not ante up the necessary money to sign Buehrle on the free agent market, because he is going to get WAY overpaid, and will end up with one of the worst contracts in the history of baseball.  Contact pitchers rarely end up with great numbers as they age.

by superbry30 on Jun 12, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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