Buehrle time?

by gforce on Jun 1, 2007 10:53 PM EDT

ESPN radio mentioned Ozzie saying he should be fired as White Sox manager...could this lead to a fire-sale? I know it is far-fetched given Chicago's talent, but the AL Central is stacked this year.

I'm hoping the Redbirds can pull off what they did with Rolen. Trade for Buehrle and get him locked up with a long-term deal. As much as I love the Cardinals, the truth of the matter is that one of these days the starting pitchers are going to start running out of gas (Looper anyone?)

Any trade ideas out there?

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well there is a 95% chance he'll be on the

cardinals next year anyways, so why trade for him now? We need to get a good Short Stop prospect or an option at all at short for next year. I like a Clint Barmes a lot but he kinda sucks right now though, b. j. upton or justin upton would be great for a future SS

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 1, 2007 11:29 PM EDT reply actions

Buerhle

Did anyone notice we are second in the division and only 7 games back? I know I'm being optimistic, but with the easy stretch of schedule we have now, are the playoffs that far out of reach? The only we would make it though is by trading for Buerhle. I say we give up a few relievers and maybe (if we can) try to throw Reyes in the mix too.

by 2x41z2tu on Jun 1, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Huh?

If we can? Try to throw Reyes in the mix?

What? Like just get rid of him just to get rid of him or the White Sox wouldn't take him?

Reyes goes 7 tonight and gives up one run tonight g for Memphis. Wonder if he was pitching the way he wanted to? Hmmmm If Duncan leaves him alone could he have the same kind of success? Hmmmm

IF we are to trade Reyes he won't be a throw in...IF it goes down, a ML ready SS prospect needs to be coming back.

Wow...just wow.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 2, 2007 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions

The Uptons...

Neither one is playing SS anymore.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 2, 2007 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

Same with Clint Barmes.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 2, 2007 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes, yes, yes!

I like your train of thought but if we get Carp & Mulder back along with strong performances from Thompson, Looper, & Wainright wouldn't it be a better idea to try to get an offensive minded shortstop or second baseman with a huge upside. We don't need a fist baseman or third baseman no matter what anybody says Rolen can fill the bill. We have a left fielder and catcher for the future. Centerfield is practicing in AA ball. Right field is shored up by Juan and his multitude of back ups at AAA ball. The only real holes I see are the middle infielders. We could always use starting pitching. The bullpen is strong with Rhino Franklin and Izzy. Buehrle could work and maybe we could trade a starter slash releiver as a bullpen guy for a dynamic middle infielder. Who knows what could happen this is the N.L. Central. I like this team and we are not even close to being out of it yet in my opinion.

The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Jun 1, 2007 11:39 PM EDT reply actions

Ummm offensive mined 2B?

Those are kinda few are far between and the Cards pride themselves on defense and manufacturing runs. Not HR hitting 2Bs.

Why grab ground ball inducing pitchers if your not gonna field the ball?

Just a thought...

by JShell73 on Jun 2, 2007 3:08 AM EDT reply actions

i agree

offensive minded 2b are very tough to find. i like the a.k. and miles combo. i am also a huge eckstein fan but at the same time if he is not hitting they need to find a replacement. but the only problem is getting your hands on a good ss.

as far as burhle goes i say get him. reyes and a couple other prospects is a steep price but i think burhle would resign.but always looking for a bargain if u could get burhle and not have to give up reyes that would be a plus. maybe reyes could be the key to a good young ss.

quick note i just heard duncan is going to the dl and b. ryan is getting the call. i am kind of excited to see him at ss. i dont think he is the answer but he does have a good arm at ss.

HURRY BACK CARP AND MULDER

by LaRussa4President on Jun 2, 2007 6:13 AM EDT reply actions

Yeah, I'm kind of excited to see

Ryan too. Maybe he's not the answer, but David Eckstein appears to be fading, and fast. He's been hurt more than he's played the last season and a half, and he hasn't hit all that well. No range, no arm, no hit, no health. Shortstop has become our biggest problem. I'm also surprised that Kennedy hasn't done better. The National League is so much easier than the American League. I do not want to give up Anthony Reyes, and I hope it doesn't come to that-TL and Duncan are probably gone after this year, and I think he'd work out fine under new management.

by jillsinmo on Jun 2, 2007 9:14 AM EDT reply actions

uptons

The odds of the Cardinals being able to obtain one of the uptons are pretty much zero, as much as we all might like to have them.

by mcpawlowicz on Jun 2, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

reyes for b.j.

would be a good trade for both sides, we get a short stop they get a pitcher, the rotation kinda sucks so it works for everybody

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 2, 2007 3:29 PM EDT reply actions

Kyle

it was already stated earlier that BJ Upton is NOT a shortstop.

Not to mention, the guy has around 60 strikeouts. Talk about needing to learn some plate discipline.

It'd be much smarter to keep Eckstein next year and trade for a prospect this year that can spend next season in AAA working out his kinks before taking over in 2009. Plus, with that method we probably wouldn't have to give up as much. I'm still saying we target the Rangers. They need starting pitching more than any team in the majors and have TWO top-twenty shortstop prospects with Michael Young having a locked up spot in the big leagues. And if that spot's not locked up, then let's jump all over that and bring him over instead.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 2, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I know he's not a short stop

Wecould still put him there though, anywho i'll drop that, joaquin arias does look good as a future shortstop for us

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 2, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Upton's

BJ can't play SS!!! You dont just move him there, theres a reason why he's not playing there now, that being his arm is terribly unaccurate. He does have great range and a great arm, he is an ideal OF.

Justin is a CF, who only played SS in HS. It's not his best position.

For Justin we would have to trade Pujols. For BJ we would have to trade Colby, so no to either.

We should be trying to trade for Erick Aybar a phenominal defensive SS, and an above average offensive one. But the Angels have showed they don't like to trade there youngins.

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 2, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm telling you

Reyes to Rangers for one of their phenom shortstop prospects (and maybe another guy). They are loaded at that position and NEED pitching like no other team.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 2, 2007 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

reyes for the joaquin arias guy and

well somebody that is a proven bat or something

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 2, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Rangers

What phenom SS prospect do the Rangers have?

Because they don't have one at all.

They have Joaquin Arias, but all he is, is a good glove and nothing else at all. And I surely wouldn't trade Reyes for him.

The best deal would be Erick Aybar for Anthony Reyes, since the Cardinals obviously hate Reyes. But the Angels don't need another SP, so I doubt they do it. They might do Duncan for Aybar though, which is a pretty fair trade.

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 2, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

well

Marcus Lemon was the other guy, I believe.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 2, 2007 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Lemon

is not a phenom and really even that good.

Hell he didn't even make BA's top 10 prospects for the Rangers.

He wouldn't be up in the majors until at least mid 2010.

We need a SS for next year, and Erick Aybar is the perfect guy in my opinion.

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 3, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions

um

what year was that list made?

Baseball Prospectus has him as their number 7 prospect and he's only 18.

And yes, he's ahead of Arias.

He'd be much easier to get than Aybar. And we have the option of keeping David for next year if I'm not wrong. Then we sign a guy for a one year stint, and Lemon is ready to go in 2010.

This is mainly about ability to get him in a trade, and I honestly think we wouldn't have to give up more than Reyes to get him (and we might be able to get another player to boot).

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions

um 2007

Why the hell would I take a list from any other year?

And quite frankly BA>Goldstein. Although I do enjoy Goldstein.

And he's about even with Arias, although having more potential.

Well obviously he'd be easier to get than Aybar, but Aybar has actually proven himself at higher levels and is a better defensive player. Hell we should go after Andrus or Triunfel if we feel like waiting at least 2 more years for a SS. Or better yet (which I hope the Cards do) is draft Justin Jackson with our supplemental pick this year.

And yes your wrong we don't have an option for David next year.

Why would the Rangers want a flyball pitcher in there stadium? Granted I value Reyes a lot more than Lemon but he more than likely isn't the Rangers cup of tea. So you wouldn't get full value of what is left of what TLR and DD have killed of Reyes' value.

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 3, 2007 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions

i kind of agree

they're not really phenoms, they are good but not phenoms (yet)

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 3, 2007 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions

For one

Andrus is going nowhere.

If you have any suggestion for who we could give up for Aybar without trading 2-3 big players, I'm all for it.

The whole point of my argument is that I'm being realistic. Sure, Aybar sounds great. So does Andrus. But why don't we go after a trade target with a team we can make a trade with? The Rangers need pitching! It's that simple. Have you looked at their stats recently? A good fly ball pitcher would be a step up over what they have right now anyday. It's not like a fly ball pitcher is automatically screwed in their ballpark. If a pitcher is good, they can pitch in any ballpark.

And if you're going to let me know that I'm wrong, please use the correct contraction next time.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I already did make

a realistic trade, your just only looking at what you want to.

Both sides would probably do Duncan for Aybar.

And like I already said why would the Rangers want a flyball pitcher in Reyes?

It seems I've said the same thing a few times, are you just reading what I say and responding, "the Rangers!!!!!" to every question?

Oh, and Triunfel is better than Andrus, but Bill Bavasi is an idiot so he doesn't know what he has with him. The Mariners actually would probably pull the trigger on a Reyes for Triunfel deal.

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 3, 2007 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Okay

You're getting way too heated over this. Yes, I have been reading what you said, but I'm not going to respond to every single point. My only argument is that the Rangers are the best team (and now that I think about it, I agree about the M's, possibly the Nats as well) to trade with because of their need for pitching. Who knows, if the M's are in contention, maybe we could even swing them a trade centered on Looper for Truinfel. But with those aforementioned teams we could make a trade without losing a big stake in our organization.

And I have no idea what gives you the idea that we're shopping Duncan, one of our most encouraging young bats. The trade rumors this winter were because of selling high, but he's shown so far this year that he's more than a fluke.

Alright, I'm moving on now. We'll see what happens at the trade deadline.

A lot of things change in that time period, and that's when the decisions will ultimately be made.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Yankees also need pitching ;)

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 3, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Reyes is just going to make their problem worse

iif he continues

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 3, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

how about chone figgins

for duncan

If there's a baseball heaven, Albert Pujols is God.

by kyle man on Jun 3, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions

Buerhle, etc.

Okay, I'm not really sure where everybody's going with some of these trades, but so be it. As far as Buerhle goes, I think the Cardinals would have to give up a premium price to get him, and at the moment it doesn't seem worth it. There's a pretty good chance he'll sign with the Cardinals in the offseason, in which case the only thing the club has to give up is, possibly, a draft pick. I think the Cards need to focus on conserving their young assets this year, rather than trading them away for players they should be able to sign later anyway.

If they were going to trade away some veteran salary and roster space, fine. But the Sox would want young talent, and I think it's more important to hold on to all that El Birdos have.

Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Jun 3, 2007 6:43 PM EDT reply actions