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Game 44 Open Thread: May 24, 2007, 12:10 pm CDT

Birdos_avatar_tiny by lboros on in St. Louis Cardinals News

ah, the nl central: such a silly little division. here are the standings since may 9, right before the cardinals embarked upon their 2-7 trip to socal and detroit:

W L PCT GB
hou 5 6 .455 ---
stl 4 7 .364 1
chi 4 7 .364 1
mil 4 8 .364 1.5
pitt 4 8 .364 1.5
cin 3 9 .250 2.5

that's right, folks: during one of their most discouraging stretches of play in this century, st louis lost ground to only one team in the division --- and only 1 game, at that. this is not a fluke. here are the nl central standings over each team's last 162 games:

W L PCT GB
mil 80 82 .494 ---
hou 79 83 .488 1
stl 74 88 .457 6
pitt 72 90 .444 8
cin 72 90 .444 8
chi 69 93 .426 11

this reminds me of one of those municipal races in which every one of the candidates sizes up his/her opponents and smiles inwardly: what a bunch of mediocrities. how can i possibly lose? my apologies to any of you who happen to be municipal officeholders --- but if you are one, as long as i have your attention could you please see to it that my g*ddamn alley gets paved? . . .. um, uh-oh waitaminute i just remembered something: my brother ran for his township council last year. and i have a cousin who served three terms on his local school board. and my wife sits on our city's Parks and Rec board . . . . . okay, so this metaphor doesn't apply to every municipal race across america. only to some of them.

i happen to think the brewers are pretty good this year, and the cubs are probably better than their record; that said, it wouldn't take much for the cardinals to get back into striking position. for all the disasters that have befallen them this spring, they're only 6 games out in the loss column as of this morning --- not exactly light-years behind. with a win this afternoon, they can get their record since josh hancock was buried back to .500.

but let's not get ahead of ourselves. one game at a time; they've got a long way to come back.

edmonds' power stroke returned from the dead last night, the single most encouraging event since --- well, since his other 2007 homer, which occurred one month and one day ago. but last night's was different than the jet-stream-blown shot he launched at wrigley: he yanked this one high and deep to right, his first extra-base hit to right field since last season. i've been waiting to see that . . . . no, to tell the truth i quit waiting a few weeks ago. i had given up. but then, i gave up on jimmy last year 'round about july 1; he hit 9 homers that month. in the midst of the streak, i got kinda gushy-crushy on edmonds, as even the most macho of us will do from time to time:

damn, but it's good to have edmonds back. it's as if he did more or less the same thing as clemens -- took the first three months of the season off to conserve finite physical resources. . . . . it's not just that his stats are better -- he looks like a great player again. all three of his homers this month came off that trademark edmonds uppercut, where he reaches out and paddles the ball high and deep to right field -- like a tennis player yanking a cross-court backhand. he's taking his full rip again. i figured that we'd never see that swing again . . . . it's as if we've been working with the demo-only version of edmonds, with all the more robust features disabled. then suddenly the disk arrives in the mail and you load it in, and you find out the program can do all this stuff you never realized it was capable of.
i gave up on edmonds again right before the playoffs, when (battling post-concussion syndrome) he struck out in 8 of his 15 september at-bats; but in october he scored 8 runs and knocked in a team-best 10. he'll never be the player he was, but maybe --- maybe --- he's not entirely washed up.

since he called out the team on may 13, after the cards' lifeless 3-0 loss to padres rookie justin germano, edmonds is hitting .300 / .417 / .500 --- it's only a 9-game split, but it's so nice to see such gaudy numbers that i couldn't resist. in fact, what the hell --- here are 9-game splits for most of the team, juxtaposed against the 34-game splits they opened the season with. "OPS diff" lists the differential in each player's OPS, pre and post may 13:

through 5/13 since 5/13 OPS diff
eckstein .207 / .282 / .234 .500 / .516 / .633 +633
edmonds .208 / .274 / .264 .300 / .417 / .500 +379
molina .264 / .337 / .310 .400 / .444 / .560 +357
duncan .284 / .371/ .474 .333 / .355/ .800 +310
pujols .248 / .347 / .426 .382 / .462 / .559 +248
rightfielders .198 / .255 / .275 .324 / .361 / .353 +184
rolen .204 / .283 / .306 .250 / .364 / .357 +132
TEAM .234 / .301 / .322 .323 / .374 / .467 +218

yeah yeah yeah; it's only 9 games, a random blip. to a man dying of hunger, one crumb of bread seems like a whole loaf; in the nl central, one crumb can be worth a few games in the standings. it's how you survive in this silly ol' division --- one crumb at a time.

gorzelanny

looper

5-2, 2.43

5-3, 3.27

GAME TIME 12:10 CDT

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that Edmonds homer
i rewatched it several times last night -- I even thought at one point I saw him pump his right fist right afterward.  It looked like the game 6 homer off of Dan Miceli -- without the double fist-pump.  It was positively beautiful and, like you, I wasn't sure I'd ever see it again.  That looked like the Edmonds of 3 years ago.  Maybe, just maybe...

by chuckb on May 24, 2007 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I did the fist pump...
and I don't usually get that excited.  (I worry too much to allow those small moments of joy.)  

I keep an eye on the top, but I really think you have to look at the standing one ladder rung at a time.  Must get past next team...

by Brock20 on May 24, 2007 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

you mean one crumb . . . .
one crumb at a time, not one rung. but your point is well taken.

by lboros on May 24, 2007 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edmonds
When Edmonds first came to St. Louis he had the reputation of being a guy that could be hard to get along with.  I don't know if that is true or not.  But it has been really cool getting to watch his maturation from a human highlight reel into a veteran leader who is not afraid to step up and say what needs to be said or do what needs to be done to get this team going in the right direction.

http://whiteyball.wordpress.com

by whiteyball on May 24, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just as we get all teary eyed...
and optimistic about our offense...

another good lefty takes the mound against us.

by silent_bob on May 24, 2007 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, but we're countering with Looper...
Holy crap! Who would've ever thunk any of us woulda thought something like that... and been sincere?

by ArachNerd on May 24, 2007 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aint it the
truth? If you'd have told me during spring training that I'd be thrilled to see Loop taking the hill in May, I'd have laughed in your face. The Cardinals never fail to surprise in one way or another. GO LOOP!!! GET THE SWEEP!!!

by rockin redbird on May 24, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's to the rest of the summer...
Ok, so it's only a 2 game winning streak, but it got me looking ahead a bit.  I think that the standings as of June 8 will be something to look at.  Right now, the brewers are 10 games over at home and 1 under on the road.  After Monday, they start a 10 game home stand that is followed up by 19 out of 28 on the road.  Their road trip consist of the Twins and Tigers, whereas ours, beginning on the 12th, consists of the Royals and A's.  I have been frustrated at times this yr but have not come close to folding it up.  I kept a lot more faith than most last year and was rewarded w/ the first WS Championship of my memory (born in '80).  I would love to be w/in 3-5 games when July 27th gets here and we then proceed to play the Brewers 8 times in a 21 game stretch.  Granted that they may not even be the team to beat at that point, but we're close enough to every one else that we, in escence, control our own destiny w/ the rest of the division.

by toris34 on May 24, 2007 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to admit..
Today was the first day in a long time that I took a good look at the standings.

Things aren't as bad as they seem. Thanks the the Division we live in.

by birdsonthehat on May 24, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

ok.....
i just have to say that might be the two ugliest pitcher mugshots we will see side by side all season
wow!
RESIGN JIMMY BALLGAME....HE SHOULD RETIRE A REDBIRD!

by benstl on May 24, 2007 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Line of the day
Thanks for my laugh of the day.

Dave

by Sydney dave on May 24, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's really amazing to me how many
really ugly guys there are in baseball.  Last year I was at Camden Yards for O's-Indians.  We crashed some box seats late in the game, right behind the Cleveland dugout, and at one time or another I got a real good look at about 12 Indians players ... and all but 2 of them hit 11 on the ugly scale.

by MdRedbirdFreak on May 24, 2007 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those mugshots
look like something from a Star Wars bar scene.

by secretweapon on May 24, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great comment
From moser34 about Gorzelanny back in April.

"Gorzelanny reminds me of the alien/man from Goonies.

Baybee Ruute!!

In a related note, we are swinging the bat like One-Eyed Willie tonight"

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on May 24, 2007 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally......
I am reminded of Marla Hooch from A League of their Own.

"what do you suggest?"

"A lot of night games!"

"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on May 24, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That 9 game span
was played against two good pitching staffs too.  I'm suddenly concerned about Carpenter's progress.  

by Jonathan23 on May 24, 2007 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm the starving guy that gets a crumb
and wants to know where the steak is.

I'm still disappointed about the two games on the road trip we gave back.  Actually, 4 games.  No way should we have lost those last 2 games to Detroit and no way should we have lost those last 2 games in Los Angeles.  Both of those games were given away, not taken.

How good would those 4 loses look in the win column right now?  22-21, 2nd place in the NL Central and two games back in the loss column, 4 games back overall.

But I'll take these tiny bits of life we are getting now.  Just don't give anymore games away, ok?

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

If...
you counted all the games we should have won this year that we ended up losing, we'd be like two games out of first. I'm not talking about just the four games that HL mentioned, but also about that silly loss to the Pirates (?) where they walked in a run in the 9th when they didn't to...another loss to the Cubs where they had the winning runs on in the 9th and didn't do anything...I'm sure there are others.

This team hasn't produced in the clutch and hasn't had the best of luck either.

by matt reeder on May 24, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

what
about all the games at the beginning of the season we should have lost and ended up winning?  I think that we're in a decent spot all things considered.

by eglasier on May 24, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't look at this
as a good team that gave away some games.  Giving away games is how bad teams earn the label "bad."  IOW, giving away games is a feature of a bad team, not a bug in a good team.

by MdRedbirdFreak on May 24, 2007 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lost opportunities
I think at least three of those losses were due to very bad managing decisions by TLR.  I think TLR was a little off his rocker on that road trip and caused damage the team had no power over.  They started to fight offensively and he dug in his heels with regard to when to change pitchers in a way that other managers would not.  His stubbornes sometimes helps us to win and sometimes it helps us to lose.  But I wouldn't saddle the team players with those losses.  Then he lashed out at a number of players rather than admitting his own role in the losses.  I usually respect Tony, but not over the last two weeks.  

by nycardfan on May 24, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

hardcore, i agree w/ you re wasted opportunities
at the very least, they coulda / shoulda won saturday in detroit and wednesday in l.a.; there have been a half-dozen other flagrant missed opportunities in the first two months. how about that first game vs the rockies (where tyler johnson walked in the winning run)? or the 12-inning game in san francisco (where pujols was out trying to "steal" home)? or the time they loaded the bases in the 9th vs pgh / sal torres and had duncan / pujols coming up . . . but couldn't score?

even just 2 more wins (and, accordingly, a couple fewer losses) would make a big differernce right about now. but insofar as they have a minus 55 run differential this season, we probably ought to be thankful things aren't worse than they are. in the nl east they would be 10 games out of first and 7.5 games out of second --- dead and buried. in any american league division they'd be absolute toast. it's very lucky that we can still sit here and hope for good things.

by lboros on May 24, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better to be good or lucky
this team hasn't been particularly either.  We were actually lucky in a game or two in Pittsburgh earlier this year, but it seems that we've left a lot of baserunners in scoring position and a lot of wins out on the field so far this year.

I guess what gives me hope is that (based on past experience and performances) this team hasn't played it's best baseball yet.  The NL East and West have done the Cardinals a huge favor by bring the Brewers back to Earth a bit.

It's just enough to, even still below .500 and 8 games out, give me hope that everything can break right and this team is 'above average' enough to challenge for that division lead.

Gotta win games like today, though.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larry-
when do you expect the Luhnow interview to be posted?

by silent_bob on May 24, 2007 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

in reverse order
the site upgrade --- my apologies for that. it has only been, what, a month and a half since it was promised? but i'm in the same boat as you, kind of wondering --- whatever happened to that? i last inquired about 3 weeks ago; i'll lodge another inquiry.

re luhnow --- i e-mailed him the questions at 4:30 o'clock CDT tuesday, a total of 30 questions; haven't heard back yet but i think it's premature to follow up with him and ask for an ETA. i'm sure he will respond, but it might take a little time; it is, after all, very close to draft day.

if i haven't heard back by next monday, i'll check in w/ him to see where things stand.

by lboros on May 24, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Todays Lineup per FSN Midwest
Eckstein
Ludwick
Pujols
Encarnacion
Rolen
Taguchi
Molina
Miles
Looper
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on May 24, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

All righties
Al-righty then, let's take down this lefty.  We've started doing a lot better against lefties in these last nine games - here's to that continuing.

Anyone else find it an interesting part of our current adventure that the lineup from day-to-day changes so much and is so unpredictable?  It's a long way from 2004, but in an odd way it's kind of fun.....

by wildman on May 24, 2007 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Ludwick
with a chance to finally play again, jump all over some fastballs.  The team has had a different hero (sans Duncan) each of the last two games.  Time for that unexpected power bat to hit 1 or 2 over the wall.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suggestion for open game threads...
could we get gametimes posted along with the SPs?

by Zubin on May 24, 2007 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

word
Call up Ankiel!!

by jeff abs on May 24, 2007 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could we get some more text too?
Between Today's starters and yesterdays starters?  Seeing those four in the same browser is hurting my eyes.  Add Harang, I may just go blind.  

by Jonathan23 on May 24, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or the first GIS
result that comes up that isn't baseball related!
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

brilliant!
love it. especially given the above 2 images.

by Birds on the Matt on May 24, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another suggestion
Could you also note LHP and RHP for the starters?

by ColinMacLeod on May 24, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
and perhaps you could list all the pertinent splits for the SPs, their GB-FB tendencies, batter vs. pitcher data, and maybe an anecdote about their personal lives to help me identify with them a little bit better...

I'd also I'd like a deep dish pie with sausage and olives delivered to the office ten minutes before game time.

Thanks...

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gorzelanny enjoys
long walks on the beach and pitching against the Cardinals.

Until today, that is....

by silent_bob on May 24, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

and loop....
enjoys skinny skiing and going to bullfights on acid.

by busch league on May 24, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little OT,
but worth the read, especially if you're a fan of "Lost"(or even if you're not)
a comparison between "Lost" and this year's team

by cardsrul on May 24, 2007 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Without the Cards...
Duffy wouldn't even be able to keep his spot on the roster I don't think...

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Looper Ks Bay...
looking. Unbelievable.

Jocketty needs to move this guy at the first possible instant.

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

lol
I thought you wanted to keep good players on your team.  

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do...
that's why we should trade Looper for someone who's good.

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol
I thought you wanted to keep good players on your team.  

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Argh, Scotty
Nice swing, but why do we insist on running into outs all the time?

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on May 24, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

On the replay
that looked like a phantom tag

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea
That was the old "that throw beat you by 10 feet so you deserve to be out whether they missed the tag or not" call.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on May 24, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding
And you know Gooch would immediately follow that up with a single. Argh.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

how long
before yadi gets moved up in the lineup?

for two months now he's been hitting better than a lot of the guys hitting 1-6.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Molina is a beast!
A double no less. Get that ISO over .100 baby!

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on May 24, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Yadi!!!
15 game streak!  Who would've thought?

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

it makes me so happy
to watch yadier hit doubles.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 24, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

And to watch him rumble around third
like a freight train trying to make a turn without toppling over

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice read
Yadi!  Timely hitting this inning.

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

New Slogan
The St. Louis Cardinals: Hey, at least we can still beat the Pirates, sometimes.

by sgfcards on May 24, 2007 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

blah
should have put up about 2 more runs that inning

by longhornscardinals on May 24, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough ground-ruler there?
I didn't see it.

Eck with some pop in that bat (not pop-up either).

by silent_bob on May 24, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Gorzelanny...
has given up about two games worth of hits this inning... Maybe our woes against lefties are ending.

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

There's your Lead
Loop, Go get'em kid!!!
"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on May 24, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

These 10 pitch ABs
are going to drive Loop out of the game early.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Bullpen's rested and it's a home day game before
a home night game.  If he can put up zeroes, this is the day for him to have a six inning start.

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought...
TLR was worried about the pen since Franklin is out for a few...

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still...
we only used Izzy and Flores last night.  Even without Franklin, I would think there are more than enough arms to back up loop.

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on how the linups match up
something like TJ in the 7th, springer in the 8th, and Izzy in the 9th

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget
Kelvin Jimenez. Seems like TLR has him warming up every inning.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 pitch innings
will help a bit too ;) With just 60 pitches through 4, he should be good for 6-7.

Gorz is at 54 through 3.  Hopefully taguchi and molina will make him work...

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 24, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe a chance to see
our FUTURE closer Tyler Johnson get a save.  yeah i said it

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully
enough to make them go bankrupt.  This commercial is bad enough to make me never want to buy anything from that store... not that I ever have anyway, just sayin

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess
that's the one plus of having the game blacked out on mlb.tv today here in pa. I don't know how people rely on gameday... it's frustratingly slow for me.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's always worked fine for me...
and since I'm in the UK, I never get blacked out. Unless they come over and play the red coats...

by davethebutcher on May 24, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine is usually supposed to be blacked out
but today, the blackout isn't in effect.  I don't know why, but it isn't.

However, they are having troubles with mlb.tv, they've cut to commercials in the middle of the innings and the game is WAY behind the radio.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cannot stop
So Tag.

He has to be leading the team in SB now. What's he have? Two?

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe McKay should be given a hook and rope
cause So Taguchi and Scott Rolen suddenly think they are Vince Coleman and Willie McGee.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.
Worst. Base-running. Team. ever.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about
have a seat?

Stealing 3rd?  Does he think the steal sign is Oquendo breathing?

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok So...
thinkin a little bit too much back there.

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

figures
Do we always get a hit after a CS?

by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on May 24, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Murphy's Law
We just see it more because we get out on the basepaths EVERY INNING.

Argh.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would have scored a run
sonofa!

Oh well, Looper better pitch the shut-out now.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah
that hurts a bit.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 24, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

uh, listen, tom...
maybe at least make the pitcher SWING, mmkay? Mmkay. Good talk.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Wildman
I still laugh when I think about that evening last fall when we first got Edwards to play CF.  And I love to see him coming around and probably love just as much the expanded leadership role he's taking this yr.

by toris34 on May 24, 2007 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I laugh every time I see that
that Edwards guy is pretty good when he decides to show up

by wildman on May 24, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much longer...
does Ludwick get?

He's one who won't be able to carp about never getting a chance...

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

No killer instinct today
We just can't put this guy away, and now we give him an easy inning - argh.  Fly outs, popups and groundballs, oh my......

Hope Looper can keep it going.

by wildman on May 24, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

dear cardinal offense
score more runs.  k? thanks.
azruavatar

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
that was a home run?
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Definition of
a windblown homerun.  Shame

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Rising sinker warning
get those pitches down, Braden!

by wildman on May 24, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Looper
Gutcheck time and he delivered!  One more good inning from him would be great.

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

has anyone else's MLB.tv connection
absolutely sucked the past couple of days?

My stream is freezing every time I turn around.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

and
"my stream is freezing . . ."

definitely did not meant to sound like it does . . .

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've had some trouble
It's been distorted a few times. but it only gets really bad if I have something running in the background. I have a spyware scan run on auto every once in a while and it kills the stream.

by davethebutcher on May 24, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know punching my screen won't do anything
but I sure am tempted.

I love how it always seems to disconnect right as the bat is being swung, but the connection works perfectly for the lovely Dick's Sporting Goods commercial. Clever, MLB, clever . . .

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mosaic is 1000% worse this year...
...buffering, buffering, buffering is what I get 90% of the time. I should have saved $30 and stayed with basic.

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 24, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen
What an at-bat by Scottie. 13 pitches, nine foul balls, drew a walk

by 10worldchamps on May 24, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

He's been walking...
quite a bit lately.

Is this a good sign, or has he turned into Tino Martinez?

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

foul balls
that is the other side of the coin. According to Gameday, all of the foul balls were pitches up in the strike zone over the plate. In years past, he would have pounded one.

by 10worldchamps on May 24, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got in...
I'm on lunch, so can anyone fill me in on the action thus far?

by Zubin on May 24, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of offense
for the Cards, however they've left a lot of runners stranded.  Miles 3-3, Yadi and Gooch with 2 hits.  Looper has been brilliant.  Only run was a windblow homer (wind is blowing to left 20 mph)

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards have stranded a few too many runners
thanks to the awfulness that is Ryan Ludwick. Loop has pitched excellent minus one pitch to Bautista that wouldn't of even been a HR if it weren't for the wind. We need to capitalize right here.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on May 24, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The triumvirate...
of Taguchi-Miles-Molina is 7 for 9 and Looper's clock is still stuck at 11:59.

Lot's of missed chances and baserunning gaffes for the Cards, as usual...

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles 3-3
bases loaded 1 out pitcher spot up.  

I'm guessing pinch hit with Speezer.  Bust this game open kid!

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Yikes
line shot off of your pitching thumb.  That'll put someone on the shelf.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

So splits
Is there a site that has hitting splits as a starter vs. off the bench? For some reason I think of So as getting tons of hits, but last night I look up at the scoreboard to see him batting .224 So just when I start rolling my eyes at him, he gets a handful of hits again today. What gives?

by bdief on May 24, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

They're putting in a righty??
Duncan, grab a bat and blow this game open!

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The "injured pitcher" rule
saves a baaaaaad managing move by Jim Tracy... your starter is approaching 120 pitches, and the Cards have an all-righthanded lineup... and you've got a lefty warming???? Wazzup wid dat????
It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on May 24, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

No Duncan or Edmonds here?
Spiezio will pinch-hit.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPN
You guys need to go over to the MLB site at ESPN and check out the article Jason Stark wrote about todays top 10 over rated players.  makes me want to rethink about bringing a guy like Andruw Jones over here.

by Section8 on May 24, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

That article is right
I went to a game in Atlanta recently and the Padres enjoyed back-to-back doubles where Andruw should have caught them both.  He's overweight and taking questionable routes to balls.  He will not be worth what he'll get offered this winter.

by wildman on May 24, 2007 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

strategy
What really stood out in my mind is that the cards made serious offers to or were at least were interested in half of the players on the list.  

by Section8 on May 24, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...
he's concerned about all the lefty bats on the bench.

by guayzimi on May 24, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB.TV
Has anyone else's audio dropped out?

by Zubin on May 24, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on Speezio!
Don't let me down.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Spiezio
Sorry. Got excited.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gameday said Looper was batting for himself...
is that wrong? Seems like we might as well of kept him in, Speezer didn't do any better. Not using Duncan there = stupid.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on May 24, 2007 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

You still have Duncan
for the "late" innings, and Speezer is your best (most experienced) pinch-hitter... it didn't work, but it wasn't a bad move...
It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on May 24, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 LOB now...
...after that sterling performance.

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 24, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Well that blows.
If TLR puts Jimenez in I'm going to scream.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

dammit
Out hitting them 10-3 but they can tie it up with one swing of the bat.

I'm going for a run to blow off steam... we can't let this one slip away.

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone think LaRussa got fooled
and thought that Tracy was going to bring in a lefty in that situation (since one did start to run in out of the bullpen).

Tony went out and argued that since the BP pitcher had left the bullpen, that he was 'in the game' so to speak.

I think Tony sent Speezer up to ph thinking the lefty was coming in and left Edmonds and Duncan on the bench.

Cause, otherwise...it made no sense.  Use Edmonds there, put the pitcher in Ludwick's spot, then let Duncan pinch hit for him in the 8th.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

um, ryan?
why was that fly ball such an adventure?
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

haha
i meant the baseball, not the beach ball
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

TJ is coming in
better set down cat-eyes here.  

There is no way we should lose this game, but I'm getting that feeling about another 'missed opportunity'.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

also
i hate that the yankee guy gets two appearances in the ad just because they're the goddam yankees, despite the fact that some teams aren't even in it.
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Crap
Wellemeyer is in the bullpen, we better get out of this QUICKLY.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice.
That was too close.

Wellemeyer time should only be with 7 run leads at this point.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Wellemeyers name should be changed
to Avgas, shorthand for aviation gas.  He either flies high or burns catastrophically.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hindenburg
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

c'mon tyler
whew!

Back to work i go, sigh.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 24, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Ahem...
LET'S GET SOME RUNS!!!!!
It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on May 24, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice job of pitching to get out of the mess
and does anyone have contact info for DICKS? I really want DICK to know how much I hate him.

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 24, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Just traded away Rolen in fantasy
However I received Lowell, Duncan, and Lincecum for him.  Catch was I had to give up Prince.

How did I do?  Honest feedback much appreciated.  

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
considering how Rolen has been hitting lately as compared to the season as a whole, maybe I sold him high?  

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha
Lord I hope not!
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems like you did good
Lincecum is the key.  Fielder will put up some big numbers, but a Lowell/Duncan combo should be pretty close.

by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on May 24, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah
and I had to drop Winn.. But I expect his numbers to deflate by seasons end anyway.  Not too worried about that one

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prince Fielder?
That's more than a catch.

He's the whole reason that trade was made.

Hope it works out for you, though.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now the bring in the lefty grabow
to face Ludwick, Pujols, Enc, and Rolen?  Questionable moves there by the Buccos.. hopefully we can capitalize.

Ludwick out again.. his days are numbered.  

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

nevermind
good managing there.. brought in Grabow so the Cards didn't counter with Dunc or Edmonds off the bench.

The righty Rogers coming in now

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry
didn't see your second post before I made my reply

by wildman on May 24, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't want to face Duncan
Got Ludwick with the lefty - bring in the righty to face AP & Rolen.  Nifty way to take advantage of a struggling Ludwick.

by wildman on May 24, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Ludwick
Is a fantastic out machine. Bummer. I had high hopes.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Dick's sporting good commercial
Shouldn't the guy who says "Itz about doing what it takes to win," be a San Francisco Giants fan?

by Zubin on May 24, 2007 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i assumed
it was an indirect attack on Giambi.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 24, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

this
would be a perfect time for a pujols homer.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Did the bats die all of a sudden
Geez I hope not.  I just hope we can escape with a win today.

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

2-3-4... 1 for 12
having ludwick in the 2 hole and enc batting clean up isn't a good way to go with a left hander pitching... or a right hander... or a no hander

by satori21 on May 24, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

what's wrong with this picture???
hitters 1 - 4 today..... 2 for 16.

hitters 5 - 8 today..... 8 for 11.  

thank god the bottom of the lineup is coming up.

by busch league on May 24, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

no no no no
please don't bring in Wellemeyer. . .

no, not now . . .

with the wind blowing out . . .

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

good grief...
ANOTHER hbp.....

this feels like we're trying to figure out a way to lose this game.  

i'm getting sick.

by busch league on May 24, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

ick
no likey, no likey

by lboros on May 24, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

We could REALLY use Franklin right now
like... REALLY!

Oh well.. Wellemeyer with a chance to prove himself here.

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

oh no
Todd "Ridiculously Straight Fastballs, but Not Necessarily For Strikes" Wellemeyer is going to blow this game. I just know it.

by plh903 on May 24, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

perhaps
'Hindenburg' flows better

by plh903 on May 24, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that too about his pitches
they either don't move or don't move much.
I wish Dunc would teach him the split finger fastball.

by Zubin on May 24, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 of the last 7 batterns HBP??? with a 1 run lead
I thought our bullpen was supposed to be our strength?
The St. Louis Judies (they have no Punch)

by Podlol on May 24, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

First it was our starting 8
then our pitchers.
guess who is gonning to start underperforming now?

by Zubin on May 24, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Izzy
Is another 5 out save to much to ask?

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

gah!
even Laroche got a hit! the eighth wonder of the world!
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm dreaming
Wellemeyer isn't in a one run game right now is he?

He's a mop up pitcher.  TLR, you been drinking lately?

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

In all honesty
who else is he going to use?
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd stick with TJ before I'd go with
Wellemeyer.  Even if TJ didn't have his best location.

What about Thompson?  You really think Wellemeyer is the best option???

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I don't but
you can't use Thompson.  He's starting on Sunday, isn't Saturday, isn't he?

Pitchers availible
Hindenburg
Flores
Jimenez

Jimenez is going to close, Wellemeyer or Flores and Randy was sucking hard yesterday.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

right right
my bad on Thompson

shit what happened to our good bullpen. . .

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flores?
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin and Izzy are unavailible
I didn't realize that they declaqred Izzy out b/c of his save yesterday

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was because
he pitched 2 innings last night.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually
Izzy is available -- only pitched 20 something pitches.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did that miss?
dammit swinging strike 2 should be 3

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
did I just see a change-up?
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey
does he have a useful breaking ball? I love this guy!

by plh903 on May 24, 2007 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

hancocks family
hancock's family is suing mike shannons and the tow truck driver. does anyone else think that this is completely ridiculous? does anyone here agree with josh's family.  

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/B30B1CD42616DCDC862572E500 5F04FC?OpenDocument

hit em where they aint

by thefordhamflash on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

crazy, yes
But, I'm not surprised.  Including the tow truck driver seems especially egregious.  What was he supposed to do, ignore his job?

by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on May 24, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also suing the driver of the car that broke down..
apparently for having a car that broke down - "The lawsuit claimed Tolar was negligent in allowing the vehicle to reach the point where it stalled on the highway."

What the hell is that about? It's shameful.

by BTown Birds fan on May 24, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unbelievable
If the tow truck driver or motorist had died in the accident as well, would Mr. Hancock Sr. be suing their estates?  Did the tow truck operator sue JH's estate for damage to his truck?  Or the rental car company for their loss of a new SUV?  Perhaps the cell phone company should be named defendant as well...

A very unfortunate epilogue to a real tragedy.

by brdsnbt on May 24, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

so much for respecting the dead
here's a line from the lawsuit: "The intoxication of Joshua Morgan Hancock on said occasion was involuntary."

sorry, but i think that's a disgraceful thing to allege.

by lboros on May 24, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

well,
whether you think it's good law or not, courts have routinely held that the owners of bars and restaurants who continue to serve people after they're obviously drunk can be liable when that person then gets hurt afterward. according to the law, bartenders have a responsibility to cut people off once it's clear they've had enough.

here's the part of the complaint i don't get: "The intoxication of Joshua Morgan Hancock on said occasion was involuntary." um, what? are they saying someone slipped him some rohypnol?

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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that
this only works in court in cases in which a 3rd party is injured or killed.  In other words, if the tow truck driver had been struck by Hancock's car, his family could sue Shannon's b/c they are partly culpable.  I don't think (and I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong) that the family of the person who had been drinking has a claim against the bar/restaurant.

by chuckb on May 24, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are correct
see diary
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

How bout that?!
Nice work kid.

GET IZZY A RUN (or four) PLEASE!

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

bloody hell
he got out of it. . .

let's not go through that again.  I'm not ready to had a one-run game to Welle.

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe that guy's a good pickup
he looked pretty steady right there --- ahead of every hitter, changed speeds pretty good.

by lboros on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

bud smith pitched a no hitter
and even Wellemeyer's gonna get some outs from time to time.  He's fine to soak up innings but i think it's early to trust him with one-run leads.

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You never know
I doubt he was pitching in too many 1-run leads in Kansas City.

Badumching!

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, if ryan franklin can be a setup man
why not wellemeyer? i saw nothing but good pitches in that inning

by lboros on May 24, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well
Ryan Franklin BB/9 in the majors = 2.74
Todd Wellemeyer BB/9 in the majors = 6.14

I mean WOW. 6 batters every 9 innings?  They pull TJ cause he didn't have great command and replace him with a pitcher that walks 6 per 9.

Franklin never struck out a lot of batters but he had a significantly better WHIP.  He needed to learn to keep the ball down (DD's expertise).  Wellemeyer can't doesn't have command of his pitches and I don't think that's something DD can fix.

Not that I'm totally sold on Ryan Franklin = setup man.

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed --- the walks are terrible
but you can coach a guy to improve his control. you can't coach him to throw 95.

i'm not saying the guy should be handed the setup role. but, as i said, i didn't see anything troubling in that inning. he threw 12 pitches today --- 10 were strikes. since joining the cardinals, he has thrown a total of 78 pitches (including today) --- 59 have been strikes.

by lboros on May 24, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if we give him time
He could be good, I just don't have confidence in him yet.

Let Dunc work with him for a bit.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice job Hindy
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

let's chalk that up as a
"it worked this time, but let's not try doing that too often"
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Well fellas,
enjoy the game.  I am on my way back to work.

by Zubin on May 24, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Time for Rolen
to duckhook a HR down the line.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Izzy is warming up
apparently he IS availible.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

i guess they didn't want to do the 4 out save
but, frankly. I'd rather have Izzy pitch to Bay (obviously the most dangerous hitter) and Welle close if that's what it comes to.

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not how Tony runs a bullpen
Everyone has their "role" and Izzy is the 9th inning guy

by Valatan on May 24, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish it wasn't though
Welley just gave us .210 WPA and it's at 96% total as Izzy gets the "save".

by plh903 on May 24, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

o, i know
TLR loves his bullpen roles.

that doesn't make it right though.

The leverage in that situation was over 3.  That should have your best pitcher in the game not someone with an ERA around 9.

by azruavatar on May 24, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think
he only pitched 22 pitches last night.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 24, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another late game 4-pitch walk to Rolen.
Wow.

But we're due for a baserunning mistake.

by paCardsFan on May 24, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that Herzog
in the dugout?
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah Dan
that's what this offense is missing. More crazy on the basepaths.

by plh903 on May 24, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

RE: Hancock family lawsuit.
They have no case vs. the tow truck driver who was on the shoulder of the road with lights on by reports I have seen.

They probably do have a case against Shannon's since newspaper reports said a waitress there was concerned enough to offer to get him a cab. That would suggest that she recognized that he was not good to drive. Since Shannon's served him teh drinks they are respoonsible under the "dram shaop" laws if memory serves me well.

The St. Louis Judies (they have no Punch)

by Podlol on May 24, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

yup
if the hancock family can establish that he was visibly intoxicated and yet continued to be served by shannon's employees, they can be found responsible.
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but
where has the rule "responsibility for one's own actions" gone?  

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed
i'm not commenting on whether the law is right or wrong - but that IS the law.
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course..
The waitress' cab offer wouldn't necessarily imply that they served him after realizing how drunk he was -- i.e., from their point of view, it could've been the last drink that sent him over the top.

by tomsteele on May 24, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
and the bar should be held responsible for their actions.  If they continued to serve an obviously intoxicated man and then allowed him to drive a car, they should be held responsible for those actions.

by chuckb on May 24, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hancock
From what I heard, the restaurant was serving him free drinks.  I'm sure that wouldn't help.

by gdowdy3 on May 24, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't know Missouri law
but in most places, they would be liable to the person who the drunk driver injured.  These laws are usually written so that a person can't get wasted, hurt himself/others/some property, and then say to the bar "you made me drunk -- give me some money"

by tdawg on May 24, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

see diary
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

PAINT!
1 down on the strikeout of Paulino

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW
Where did that pitch miss? 3-2 now

Groundout to Eckstein 2 away.

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

hey hey!
a sweep! first this year?? izzy looks awesome!

by stlcardinalsfang on May 24, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

sure is
nice to have the old Izzy back

by satori21 on May 24, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

SWEEP!
Great work again Izzy.  Nice job Loop, Welle, and bottom of the order!

Another grind it out victory.  

We got a long way to go fellas but this is a start in the right direction!  

by stltrav09 on May 24, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

game
to quote one of the greatest baseball movies ever "thats called a winning streak"

by truemun12 on May 24, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Not the first sweep
They swept the Pirates back in April too...

by Petkovsek on May 24, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

solid work boys
keep it coming
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by nycbirdo on May 24, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Feel for Pirates fans
they've got to be thinking at this point: "So who CAN we beat?"  If you can't beat the hapless Cardinals, Kip Wells or two relievers turned starters...you are in bad juju.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 24, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

"The Cardinals are coming tra-la-la-la
The Cardinals are coming tra-la-la-la"

Some of my earliest Cardinal memories are of Harry Caray singing those words after every game in early September 1963. The Man was retiring at the end of the year, the Cards had started the season in first place then were passed by the Dodgers and even though still in 2nd place were far behind the Bums.

Then the Birds got hot. They went off on a 10+ game winning streak in September to cut the lead and every day after they won Harry would start singing. Of course all of us fans were going crazy mostly because we wanted Stan to make it to the World Series just one more time, none more so than my dad and grandfather both of whom were at Musial's first game. They went to every game as there was no way they would miss Stan's last game, and they often let me go with them.

Alas, the magic ended and the Bums couldn't be caught, but it was a crazy, fun few weeks.

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 24, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember Harry
Singing the same thing in late 60's, where I became a Cardinal fan listening to the radio at my Dad's feet.  Harry and Jack in the same booth.  Boy, those were the days.......

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