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Game 42 Open Thread: May 22, 2007

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duke

wagonmaker

1-4, 5.19

3-3, 6.34

after a couple of disastrous starts in mid-april, zach duke appears to have turned things around: he's got a 2.87 era over his last 5 starts. but maybe he's only been lucky; during that supposedly good stretch, opponents are hitting .301 off him and slugging .455. the cardinals faced him 4 times last season and batted a cumulative .340 against him, but they only hit one homer and split the 4 games.

they'd best win tonight, because in the next two games they'll face the national league's third- and eighth-best pitchers in era --- tom gorzelanny and ian snell. here's the lineup, per bernie:

eckstein ss
duncan lf
pujols 1b
encarnacion rf
rolen 3b
molina c
edmonds cf
miles 2b
wagonmaker p

encarnacion is a career 7 for 13 against duke, and rolen is 4 for 6. nobody in tonight's starting lineup has ever homered against duke.

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Eck
Maybe Eck will have a nice chip on his shoulder about getting moved down in the lineup.  Hopefully, he will take this opportunity of being moved back to leadoff spot to get hot.  

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by whiteyball on May 22, 2007 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

would have liked
to see Encarnation in CF and Ludwick in RF tonight.  Glad to see eck leading off though.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Opponents...
are hitting 488/511/780 against Duke in the first inning.

The Cardinals are hitting 196/261/245 in the first inning.

Something's got to give.

Bold prediction: The King of Infield Hits will hit a three-run homer in the bottom of the first to cut the Bucs lead to 6-3.

by guayzimi on May 22, 2007 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

1997
Last time Jim Edmonds batted 7th in the regular season was September 6, 1997.  He went 1 for 4 with a HR and an RBI off of Brian Moehler.  

Juan Encarnacion played for the Tigers in that game and went 1 for 1 with 2 BB, 1 HR and 2 RBI..oddly enough.

Sounds like a good omen to me.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 22, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's now or never fellas
Literally. If the boys can't win during this stretch you can put a fork in them.  

by stltrav09 on May 22, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Just great.
"nobody in tonight's starting lineup has ever homered against duke."

That does not sound good once you remember no Cardinal has homered this year.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I read something the other day
that said "if Adam and Andy LaRoche were battling for a position on the same team, Adam would be going to the Cardinals." Made me laugh.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Pirates 2 and 3 actually
But loading the bases with 1 out in the first is a pretty bad start....
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a good inning for Wainer (28 pitches)
but good damage control, IMO...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

1 inning,
28 pitches - 16 strikes, 12 balls
3 H, 1 BB, 1 ER. could have been a lot worse.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Sosa with #598
...he's actually doing much better than I expected and frankly better than any of the Card "hitters."

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 22, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

GUYS,
these pop-ups are KILLING me!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

At least neither Albert nor Juan
GIDP...at least give people a chance (which turned out to be 3 straight outs)...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone please explain
why Encarnacion is batting clean-up?
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Someone posted his stats vs. Duke
earlier in the thread.  You know how TLR loves to play with stats...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately, there's stats
and there's ability
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree
Just trying to think why Tony would do such a thing.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's that TLR element of surprise....
...or just maybe the sunglasses obscured the lineup card and he just messed up.

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 22, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 for 15
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

AGHHH!!
What more can I say?!?!?!

by cardsgirlinAR on May 22, 2007 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert's new stance
sucks.  Plain and simple.  He literally has to stand up while swinging to hit anything over his belt.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 22, 2007 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean
hit a homerun so far that the ball shatters the lights out?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

just got home
we're only down by 1 run in the 2nd! this has got to be a 2007 record.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

this is awful
cannot have first and second with no outs and get no runs.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially when it is so rare
for us to have a RISP with no outs.....
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i watch baseball, thanks
i'm just in a particularly bad mood tonight.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

backwards K!
keep 'em coming, kid.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

and dont look now,
but our savior rick ankiel is 3 for 3. 3 ab's, 3 k's.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

who said he was the savior
and he's facing Yiovani Gallardo, one of the best pitching prospects in the game.
Future Redbirds

by erik on May 22, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

if his curve ball isn't working. . .
then HE SHOULDN'T THROW IT!!!!!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Griffey #573 tonight tying him with ...
..Harmon Killebrew for 8th all-time. McGwire with 583 is the next target. It's good to see a healthy Griffey again.

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 22, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Why do I get the feeling that
everyone in Pittsburgh's lineup is going to get a hit tonight?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

thats
because 5 of them already have hits, including the pitcher.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's true
Since the pitcher already has one, the "hitting specialists" can come up and get theirs.....
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf??????
You get beaten for that?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only
if it's got some Gravy on it...

by davethebutcher on May 22, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever tried chocolate gravy?
Sounds disgusting, but it's actually very good (I'll stick with the milk/sausage gravy though).

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 22, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

dmitri young kills for grits
http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/nick44.htm
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have some good stories.
My cousin had a joe blade thrown at him by his dad over a bad report card.

You name it. I've been hit with it, curtain rod,
water hoses.

Of course now they call that abuse.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is
a HEALTHY pitcher??????
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

dear cardinals,
stop forcing injured pitchers to play. thanks, erik
Future Redbirds

by erik on May 22, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

8 balls put in play by the Pirates
and 2 are turned into outs.

That's a .750 BABIP.

I'm not saying he's helping himself here, but that is quite a bit of horrible luck/poor defense. This isn't all WW's fault.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

That's true
6 hits, 6 singles

Pirates leave the bases loaded for the second straight inning.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yessssss!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

so
I was already boycotting Dick's Sporting Goods because I thought it was a stupid name and liked Galyan's (who they bought out), but now I even have a better reason . . .
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 22, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

who the heck IS "Dick", anyway?
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i bet half
of the actors in the commercial have no idea what the name of the team is whose logo is on the merchandise they are wearing.  Especially the guy with the fake boston accent.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

after 28 pitches in the first,
only 25 in the second! if thats not progress i dont know what is.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Good thing
LaRoche stinks this year

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Why do they always say?
"The pitcher worked his way out of trouble."
Why don't they say "The pitcher got himself INTO trouble."

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

they do --
but you're right, they never put the two together.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 22, 2007 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yadi!
14!

by cardsgirlinAR on May 22, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

NBA draft news.....
....#1 pick to Portland

#2 pick to Seattle

#5 to the Celtics, defying the odds to their chagrin (they had near a 40% chance of having either the first or second pick)

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 22, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW
Grizzlies???  Where were Portland and Seattle on the list?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edmonds
lowers his OPS to .572.

Meanwhile, Miles raises his to .570.

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Bunt with Wainwright?
He's our hottest hitter!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah
Act like you're bunting, then rip a double.  Nice work Adam!!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to say I didn't see that coming,
but that'd be a lie.

Wow, I love our pitchers at the plate.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 22, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Way to go, Wainer!!!!!!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

will you look at this
doesn't matter how many you give up, ww, if you drive in twice as many.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe LaRussa
should consider the ol' "bat the pitcher 8th" thing again...

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell
Bat him cleanup.  He's the only one in our lineup >.300

Wait, actually Molina (with his last hit) just got to .300 even.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

or 3rd
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam
At least the boy can hit tonight!  Way to help himself out.  

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

i think adam
was just trying to give himself a challenge at the plate.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe
I reversed jinxed them by saying it.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...
You'd be doing a whole lot of reverse jinxing then.

Anybody notice that our old friend Carmen Cali was called up to the Twins today?

Also, Amaury the Body is 1-1 with a triple and a walk so far tonight.

by liam on May 22, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conspiracy Theory
Gotta wonder if Wainwright didn't put that bunt down on purpose . . .

Gotta wonder . . .

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 22, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

bases loaded, 2 outs
top of 7th, redbirds down one... ankiel stepping in.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

how far is dead-center. . . 400 feet????
da** that was close.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Breaking News.
Spiezo has stopped coloring his hair.
He must want to be traded.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

un-dyed soul patch. . .
so THAT'S what's been wrong all this time. . .
the dye was screwing us up.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

show that again!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Curve
Is Adam's curve working again?  That was a sweet pitch.

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

you've gotta feel good
after that last at-bat.

Plus having 5 K's.

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

"1-2-3 ining for Adam Wainwright."
music to my ears.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

1-2-3! Yes!!!
Please let Adam bat again this inning.

by cardsgirlinAR on May 22, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

A 1-2-3 inning
That's a good sign for AW, moving in the right direction.

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Little help for me?
GameCast...meh...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

AP
Base hit to left Albert tries to go 1st to 3rd. Dead out but 3rd baseman dropped ball.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gracias
You too effin fisk
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert took off for third on Juan's hit
should've been out at third, but the fielder dropped the ball. Lucky for aggressive mr. pujols.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misplay by the 3B
Pujols went 1st to 3rd on a hard hit single. He was out by fifteen feet or so. He slides in and the third baseman lets the ball pop out of his glove.

by liam on May 22, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

AP
Is the most aggressive runner EVER.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

way to stay with the play, ump
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolen
with a chance to redeem his first AB.

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy crap
I'd totally forgotten what it feels like to have a lead in a game.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

aggressive
does not necessarily mean smart.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

True
But I have broken more remotes because a runner was not aggressive enough (going 1st to 3rd).

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Rolen
.042 BA vs. LHP
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Can someone please elaborate
on the "bad baserunning" by AP?  Gameday is slow and I kept waiting for "pujols out at home" but he scored on a sac fly by Rolen... so what happened?

by stltrav09 on May 22, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

here's the scoop
Albert out at third on Enc's hit.

Bautista drops the ball.

Albert safe.

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was thrown out at 3rd....
...rather easily, but after the ump called him out the third baseman dropped the ball. Sheer luck.

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 22, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure
Pujols was rounding third when he tripped over a beach ball that was thrown onto the field.

Replay showed it was Bond's huge head.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was out by about 3 steps
and called out when the ball popped out of Bautista's glove and the ump changed the call.  Very lucky!

by chuckb on May 22, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see
another person on my boycott.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 22, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomahawk chop from Rolen
that's the Molina I know.  Bad luck hits getting robbed.

Oddly enough, Molina still seems pretty unlucky this season.  Doubles off the wall to the deepest parts of the park, hitting into shifts for linedrives, etc.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 22, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Are we on pace for some sort of record?
How many line into DP's do we have this year?  Unbelievable!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

based loaded
3 out of 4 innings.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I can read lips on Duncan's mound visit.
Adam: "What's wrong? Do you see something?"

Duncan:"Yes. Stop Sucking."

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

this inning the curve is curving
but it's not in the strike zone. Uh oh.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

duke
reminds me of suppan on the basepaths...

I am simply amazed by how many of these softly hit ground balls are going through.  Kennedy really needs to be in this game, much as I hate to say it.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

deja vu
bases loaded, 1 out for Bay again

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

wainwright is singlehandedly
making freddy sanchez the batting champ again.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

oh good
Wellemeyer will come in and save the day!
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I was going to make a remark
about how we had to get it turned around vs. the Pirates, only to realize that the Pirates have a better record than we do. Oy.

There is no way that I will believe that Wainwright is healthy. The discrepancy between his stuff last year and this year is just too great. I think that we're running him out there because some genius thinks it's not "serious," and since our rotation is picked to the bone as it is. I just hope it doesn't end up causing lasting damage or something.

Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno...
if he's healthy or not, but as a starter he's not going to be able to hit 95 on the gun and spin those curves like he did as a reliever.

by guayzimi on May 22, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well
we can hope that he will be able to over time. He just has to build up some serious endurance.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 22, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing
LaRoche stinks this year

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

They are singling us to death
2 runs on 9 singles, with a BB...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Tell me about it
My whip on my fantasy team is gonna ballon! ;)

by El Hombre on May 22, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is nice
to see jimmy hustling a little bit

by El Hombre on May 22, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh hooray!
A runner for Wainwright! I think the offensive situation is dolorous indeed when you consider we get excited when our pitcher is up.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Naturally
Naturally.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

new addition to VEB glossary
yankee guy on dick's ad: "it's about doin' ... what it takes ... to WIN."

VEB Glossary:
"What It Takes To Win": apparently, 1) cut your hair with a Flowbee and 2) learn to talk by watching the Domino's Brooklyn Style Pizza ad.

much simpler formula than, say, vorp.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Jack Bauer says
Damnit!

Eck pretty much ran straight to the catcher. If he would've slid in behind him he'd have been safe.

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

So it would appear
It seems he would have been safe if he went behind the catcher.

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep
Another double play

3 tonight

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

terrible idea
Do NOT run on the converted catcher.

Nice hit for Juancar, though.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Another out on the basepaths for this team
We are really good at being thrown out on the basepath and lining into DPs.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Bizzaro World
We must be in it.

Juan is our clutch guy.

by Harknights on May 22, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Bizzaro World
IBB to Yadier Molina to bring up Jimmy Edwards.

by liam on May 22, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

WALK!!
And who would have thought I'd be delirious for Jimmy to get a walk with the bases loaded?!?

by cardsgirlinAR on May 22, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Jimmy
They walked Yadi to get to Edmonds.

by Harknights on May 22, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

1.
1 freaking home run this year.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

intent bb
toyadi to pitch to jed ....bizzaro world
Future Redbirds

by erik on May 22, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

me and liam
must both watch too many seinfeld reruns
Future Redbirds

by erik on May 22, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Jimmy knows
That he is playing for the Hall of Fame right now?

He's hall of very good as we speak.

by Harknights on May 22, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

If somebody told me
I could have Edmonds or Jeter, knowing full well how their careers would play out, as rookies, I'd take Edmonds. But I realize that the BBWAA would think differently.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

At these times.
I remember the catch in game 7. I can never get pissed at Jim no matter what he does.

by saladdin69 on May 22, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

"how their careers would play out"
jeter's career has included four world series championships.

but i get your point.

i was just going to say that i'd probably take jeter, as much as i hate the guy.

then i checked their warp3s on BP. i was astonished.

jeter: 103 warp3 in 1,721 games
jed:   105.4 warp3 in 1,732 games

scary - almost identical.

granted, jeter looks like he's got a lot more left in the tank at this point - BP has him as a 4+ win player through at least the 2011 season, when he'll be 37. but if both guys retired tomorrow, jeter would be a first-ballot HOFer, and jed would be at least an underdog, if not a long shot.

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by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

know who i hate
almost as much as jeter? people who overhype nyc players. it's disgusting.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree
which is why i stopped watching ESPN.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 22, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright's FIP tonight
1.512

This was a fun game to watch... Must be horribly frustrating for the Bucco fans.

by liam on May 22, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,
I guess that qualifies as making them pay. Suck it, Jim Tracy.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow!
Way to make them pay, Jimmy!  Take that walk!

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

oh yeah
the lefty is driven from the game by our mighty offense!

Is this the first time we've done that all year?

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

First time a lefty hasnt made it past 5 against us
in quite awhile, I'd imagine (2005??)
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zach Duke
has struck out 7% of the batters he's faced this year

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

baserunning coach?
please?

That said, I'll take six runs.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

so edmonds actually makes it on base
but, amazingly, still finds a way to hurt the team.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 22, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Bottom of the 5th
8 batters: 5 hits, 2 walks, 3 outs

I am SICK of us giving up outs on the basepaths!!!!

But hey, we did plate 2 that inning, and why the f did we send Yadi from 2nd on a single?

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops
We plated 3
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was jims fault
he was caught up between 2nd and 3rd and the only way to have any chance of having everyone safe was to send yadi.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 22, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhhh
Well that's just dumb then.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.
the advantage of living in st. louis and not relying on gameday. : D

by stlcardinalsfang on May 22, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

:P
I'm about to be able to setup XM radio, though, so I'll at least be able to listen!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 22, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wasn't sent home
He was held up; edmonds thought he was sent and got caught in a rundown between 2nd and 3rd.  Yadi tried to sneak home and was thrown out.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooops
we didn't send Yadi.  Edmonds got himself in a rundown and the only thing to do with 2 outs is send the lead runner.

by JxMetal on May 22, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was molina
who got thrown out at the plate

by Petkovsek on May 22, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ya, Cause Jed
ran up his Keisler.

I think Edmonds was as stunned as the rest of us that Oquendo actually held someone up.

Love the overmanaging by TLR here.  Let's empty the bullpen!

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 22, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously
how many times do i have to make fun of this commercial in the comment thread of a blog no dick's sporting goods personnel read before they pull it?
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm seriously
considering blowing up the corporate headquarters, fight club style.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn
thought maybe they'd let wainwright get his era below 6.

maybe theyll let tj get his back below 1.

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

So, um
Since TJ is our best pitcher out of the pen this year, why isn't he allowed to go more than one batter before we have to go to Springer?
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
Anybody with that slider is wasted as a lefty specialist, which is why Flores is on the roster.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

finishing sentences
Chicago White Sox fan: "It's about recognition."

..."of the fact that we're finishing fourth and losing Buehrle in the offseason."

Cincinnati Reds fan: "It's about teammates."

... "on my over-60 beer softball team."

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

How much
do you think it hurt La Russa to go to the pen twice without using the double switch?

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

probably hurts as bad as...
wainwright's arm
carp's elbow
edmonds' skeleton
jim hendry's liver
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow
and that baseball
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by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow,
they've caught a ton of breaks at the plate. They'd better win this one.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

in case anyone missed it,
Jorge Sosa finally had a bad game. dont really remember but something along the lines of 4.1IP, 5ER

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

holy crap
Young Dunc is the greatest move buster in the history of busting moves.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

ladies and gentlemen,
your new st louis cardinals home run leader... chris duncan!

by longhornscardinals on May 22, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Obsessive micromanaging
although it may be TLR's trademark, is really starting to nag at me this season, as it seems to be for a number of other VEBers. Then again, if you flip our record and we're 25-16, I don't expect a lot of us (myself included) would be saying anything...
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course
I take my eyes off the game to go down the well-worn road of TLR criticism and Duncan hits a bomb.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

no effin way
i was up all moring puking my guts up. and i crawl out of bed and see the Cards are up 9-2. am i still sick? this isn't realy happening is it?
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 22, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

ipecac for you
the rest of the summer.
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by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

finishing sentences
Atlanta Braves fan: "It's about heroes."

..."like John Rocker."

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

time to see
what it is I saw in Wellemeyer back when he was a Cub

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

does wellemeyer
look like curt schilling? i can't tell.
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by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

nope
never mind.
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by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

his body type
reminds me of Todd Worrell for some reason (if Todd Worrell spent a couple of years doing lat pulls).  
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 22, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it my imagination
or is the Cardinal fan in the Dick's commercial
sticking her chest out?
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on May 22, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
Time to watch Peavy take on the Cubs.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 22, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

ahh
cards win, yankees lose, mets lose. a cubs loss and this night will be perfect.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on May 22, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Off-Topic
If anyone hasn't seen it, Japanese Baseball dot com features some very nice boxscores for all games this season.

I'm keeping an eye on Chris "The Missile" Gissell, starting for Seibu.

by liam on May 22, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

liam, sometimes it scares me how
stalker-esque you can be with some fringe players that never got their shot in the majors.  Gissel, Conrad . . .

. . . o and please continue.  It helps me keep track of some fringe players that never got their shot in the majors.  :o)

by azruavatar on May 22, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I think we
can really blow a 9-2 lead in the eighth (you never know with us) but Wellemeyer, this bases-loaded/no out thing isn't doing much for your candidacy as a reliable penner.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Considering
one was a line drive to the pitcher and another was an infield single I'm not worried.  

by stltrav09 on May 22, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols
Too aggressive tonight on the basepaths; too aggressive in search of the OOZ plays.

by liam on May 22, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

For a guy who walks a million batters
an inning, Wellemeyer has a great fastball on the edges of the strike zone. He must not be able to locate that changeup to save his life.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

AA
anderson just homered to tie it in the bottom of the ninth for springfield

by johnstonburg on May 22, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

way to go wellemeyer
two breaking pitches in a row, out of nowhere, to strike out one of the best hitters in the NL. Nice.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

When did Mr. Anti-Clutch Jason Bay
become one of the best hitters in the NL?

Countdown to Eckstein getting DFA'd?

Hell, we might actually be able to resign him.  He will more than likely only cost us league minimum at this point.

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 22, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take my chances
on his anti-clutchiness so long as he gets his OPS back over .900, as it's been the last three years.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't blame that inning on him,
he struck out jason bay, flashed a good fastball, and got jobbed by the defense and the fickleness of balls in play.

by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still
he makes me a little nervous.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

we've got another pitcher on the roster with good
stuff that can't seem to get their shit together.  His name is Kip Wells. . .

But it's not like we've got a lot of other hard throwers burning up AAA so whatev.

by azruavatar on May 22, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

A walk and an error
and the bases STILL loaded but Bay makes it easy on Wellemeyer by swinging through three straight pitches after a ball.  

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

We won...
but why does it feel a bit as if it doesn't matter?
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice outing
for Jimenez after the disaster in Detroit.  

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Detroit?
Detroit '06 I'll relieve happily. Detroit '07... I prefer to forget that it ever happened.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 22, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Detroit
I meant the disaster of seven runs against Jimenez this past Friday night.  But I must concur, Detroit '06 - cherished forever; Detroit '07 - best forgotten.

by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of the Cellar
The Reds lost tonight, so our beloved Cardinals escape the NL Central basement. A couple more games like tonight and we can leapfrog two teams this series—potentially a game back of the Cubs, too, if the Padres hold up their end.

by liam on May 22, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

MIL @ LAD
Russell Martin hits a 2-run homer to put the Dodgers up 3-1 over the Brew Crew in the bottom of the 4th.

by cardsgirlinAR on May 22, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
I left to go running and it was 4-2. Wish I could've seen the Duncan homer.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 22, 2007 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Hooray!
Hooray for nights where we win and EVERY other NL Central team loses!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 23, 2007 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Sfvs stros
Well i did my review of oiur A's game now to our SFgame. It is a great park, and we had great seats. Got hteir early again and went to bp. I got nervous of how it would go when liek 5 min to gates opening my daughter filled her pants. Shes 9 months old and I wanted to have her with me to get some autographs. I went down byt the stros dugout. For some reason visiting teams always seem to sign more. I went and stood by some cool local guys.

We explained that we were visiting from WA but my wife grew up in h-town. Hunter pence came ove rand we got his auto. By this time my wife rejoined with the baby. one guys starts yelling o players hey their from hosuton and they got their baby would you sign? Lidge said no caus ehe had to do therapy(physical)guess he got hurt night b4. Garner came over afterseeing my daughter and signed.

All in all we got Hunter Pence,Palemro,Loretta,Phil G,and Matt Albers...I got screwed out of jason lane when i gave my spot to a girl he went to high school with i said hey just take care of me and well she didnt everyone but me got his auto.

Was a greatpark, they all taunted C Lee, and he played it up as they chanted carlos sucks...waiving his arms like saying louder louder as he laughed..very cool of him. oh and we think my duaghter may have been on FSN cause she got on camera but it nevercame on the stadium cam...

another note that lincecumguy can deal other than a few moments...but that name really

now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on May 23, 2007 2:25 AM EDT reply actions  

most of the
astros were very cool. Biggio even though he didnt play did not sign, c lee just laughed and walked by berkman said nothing..ausmus was like i got to egt ready...Woody played first base for alot of Bp maye looking to prolong his career
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on May 23, 2007 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Viva el victory...
I'll take anything right now!
Pitching, base running and defense!

by cardschinmusic on May 23, 2007 4:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Pitch charting project
Haven't seen anything in awhile on the pitch charting project.  Is that still going on?  

by RedbirdRay on May 23, 2007 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

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