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Game 6 Open Thread: April 8, 2007

Many of you may have seen my new blog over at fangraphs.com, Gas House Graphs. It's a win probability blog and on my sunday posts here I'll be "chewing yesterday's breakfast" through the win probability perspective. But I just realized I never really explained what the heck win probability is over there, so I thought I'd briefly explain it over here on my first Sunday 'day after game' post before I get going. Win probability involves math and could be seen as sort of geeky, hopefully that doesn't turn too many of you off. On the other hand, it's a great way to look at the narrative of the game. Anyway, here's the gist of win probability:

A team has a certain chance of wining the game at any point in time of the game, as determined by the innings, score, how many outs there are and the runners on base. Based on historical data, a home team will have a certain percentage of win probability based on the particular sitution. Take for instance Friday night's game. With the Astros down by 2 runs, and with runners on first and third and no one out, the Astros probability of winning that game was 46.7%. Historically, the Astros had a pretty good shot at winning the game despite the fact they were down by 2 runs. With no outs, having a runner in scoring position and having home team advantage they were very much alive. Then Phil Garner did a move we all scratched our head about the next day, he went for the suicide squeeze. In that situation where had Brad Ausmus been successful in executing the squeeze, it still would've dropped the Astros win probability to 42.2%. Why? Even if they had scored the run and moved the runners up to 2nd, they still would've given up an out, and win probabilities tell us giving up outs is rarely a good idea. Instead, the move totally backfired on Scrap Iron, as Wainwright and Molina turned a beautiful and rare 1-2-3 double play and the Astros win probability went down from 46.7% to just 20.4% afterwards. That's a negative 26.3%. Bad news for the Astros and something to cheer about for Cardinal fans.

Individual players are credited and debited with win probability too. Say for instance it's the 5th inning with no outs, and Scott Rolen is on 2nd and Jim Edmonds is on 1st in a scoreless tie. The Cardinals win probability is 68.1% with Preston Wilson at the plate. Say P-Dub strikes out in typical fashion, he is debited with -6.6% win probability. Make sense? Of course, it's not a perfect stat. It doesn't take into account who's at the plate, whether he's a banjo hitter or Albert Pujols. Nor does it take into account who's on the mound, whether it's Billy Wagner or Charlie Brown. Also, individual players who hit solo homeruns in the first inning aren't going to have the same effect on win probability added, as say the guy who hits the walkoff in the 9th because obviously the walkoff had the biggest effect on the outcome of the game. It's certainly not a predictive stat, but if there is such a thing as clutch hitting, win probability added will likely uncover it. Me, I like it because it emphasizes the feeling or mood of the game. When the team's win probability is 80% or above, usually the home crowd is feeling pretty good. Say it's the 9th and the probability goes down to around 63%, fans on the edge of their seat. Or say if it's an uneventful game like yesterday when the Cardinal win probability didn't rise all that high, usually come around the 6th or 7th you're fiddling with the remote to find a re-run of SNL or Seinfeld to flip back and forth to.

Ok, with all that said, here's yesterday's win probability graph:

WPA stud of the game: Adam Kennedy +13.3%.
WPA goat of the game: David Eckstein -15.9%.
Biggest at bat: Gary Bennett's RBI single for the only run in the game. +6.8%.
Biggest pitch: Craig Biggio's 2 RBI double in the 2nd off of Anthony Reyes -14.7%.
Total WPA for hitters: -35.1%
Total WPA for pitchers: -7.77 (Idea yoinked from Lookout Landing. Props to you, oh great Mariner blog.)

Yet another not bad, yet somewhat underwhelming performance by Reyes. I didn't see the game, someone fill me in on his velocity and how he looked. From looking at gameday, he didn't get many swings and misses and batters where fighting a lot of pitches off. He just hasn't had the same ability to put batters away that he had in AAA. I'm not sure why exacty, but Reyes needs to pick it up soon. I'm reminded of Rich Hill, who was dominating in AAA, had a 3:1 K/BB ratio in the minors but was dreadful over his first 8 starts for the Cubs, posting a 9.21 ERA and having a K/BB ratio of 1:1. He came back to the majors late July, cut his walks dramatically, started missing bats and put up a 2.92 ERA over his final 12 starts. Reyes has had more time to adjust and hasn't quite yet but I'm still hopeful he'll improve. But this high pitch count problem needs to go away, a regular major league starter has to go over 5 innings per game.

But it's not Reyes who has the blame for the Cardinal loss, like most of the country, the bats have been hit with an unusual cold front and have yet to thaw out. The Cardinal hitters are a cumulative negative 150.5% WPA over these 5 games. They have not had a game where the hitter's WPA was in the black, even in their one win. The leader of the offense is 1 for 17 and while I certainly am the last person to worry about Albert, I don't remember ever witnessing him being so off. Last April he was an absolute beast, now he looks like he could use an off day. The team currently boasts of a ghastly team line of .192/.256/.298. Blech. With the chilly weather, these bats need hats, keep bats warm.


wells               jennings
0-1, 3.00        0-0, 1.50

For those of you who are interested in following the game's win probability, you can catch the live scoreboard feature at Fangraphs. Albert hit 3 home runs last Easter, hopefully he can play some catch up today. I have a good feeling about Wells today, and I'm not a big believer in jinxes, so please no one get onto me if he doesn't do well. :)

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This is not about the game,
but Happy EAster to all.  If you are a big fan of those marshamallow creatures called peeps, you must amuse yourself for a few minutes at the website known as www.peepresearch.org  Hilarious!

by jillsinmo on Apr 8, 2007 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Squeeze seemed like a good idea to me
If it succeeds, you score a run, and put the tying run into scoring position with just 1 out.  And for the rest of the game, you're just 1 pitch away from tying or taking the lead.  

Ausmus hit 230 last year with no power.  If he can bunt, a squeeze for him looked like a great thing to do.

I think this is the reason that the fangraph is just flawed for predicting this situation.   Like you said, it doesn't take the hitter or pitcher into account.  Imho, the astros tried to make the best of a bad situtation (Ausmus at the plate).  It backfired in the worst way.  But do nothing special and you have a .230 right-handed hitter against someone who just dominates right-handed batters.  

Houston was losing, and they needed to take a gamble to try to win the game.  

by redbird2006in on Apr 8, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

The problem was
it was a bad gamble.  Why do it?  There's no one out.  If it fails, which it might have via a bad bunt or missed bunt, your lead runner gets thrown out at home.  Even if he hits into a 6-4-3, you're 1 run closer.  If he pops up or strikes out, you have 2 more chances to get the runner in from 3rd.  What about a hit and run, if you're afraid of the DP?  The justification for bunting w/ Ausmus is that he handles the bat well -- so couldn't he execute a hit and run?

If you really want to give up the out there, go w/ the safety squeeze so that the out you give up is the hitter and not the runner on third.  You cannot do anything that has a decent chance of getting that runner on 3rd thrown out at home.  That's why it was a bad decision -- because any number of decisions -- letting Ausmus hit w/ no play, hit and run, safety squeeze -- are better plays.

by chuckb on Apr 8, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I noticed with Reyes,
is that he often got a head in the count and then couldn't just put them away.  Maybe he just needs time to learn more about pitching as opposed to just throwing.  He would probably be better served with Molina catching him.  I think the announcers were really negative about Anthony.....he's gone.  A bunch of somebodied down there just don't like him.  No matter.  If you only score one run, you ain't going to win....and I'm actually more alarmed by Thompson giving up 2 homeruns.  That really put the game out of reach....from a mental perspective, at least.

by jillsinmo on Apr 8, 2007 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I also
noticed this last fall in the game against the Mets. He can get 2 strikes on a guy, but doesn't seem to know how to use that to his advantage. It almost seems like if Reyes gets his two strikes, then he goes forward gunning for the K. Otherwise, he is content to work forward to get ground outs. If this really is the only issue, then it is a matter of him learning the mental side of pitching.

by JMedwick on Apr 8, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups
St. Louis
D. Eckstein ss  
C. Duncan lf  
A. Pujols 1b  
S. Rolen 3b  
J. Edmonds cf  
P. Wilson rf  
Y. Molina c  
A. Kennedy 2b  
K. Wells p  

Houston
C. Biggio 2b  
M. Ensberg 3b  
L. Berkman 1b  
C. Lee lf  
L. Scott rf  
M. Loretta ss  
C. Burke cf  
B. Ausmus c  
J. Jennings p

Busted out the Big Boy lineup today, did we Tony?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

More problems for Carpenter
Bernie reporting in his pressbox that Carpenter's elbow flared up overnight and he is being sent to St. Louis for an MRI. Strauss to follow with a story very soon, he reported.

by Youneverknow on Apr 8, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Today's lineup
would look a lot better with JRod hitting the 6th slot (Wilson has a career OPS of .646 against Jennings with 4 K's and 1 DP).  Oh well.

by wildman on Apr 8, 2007 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Bernie link
 Apparently, his elbow 'flared up' last night after his bullpen.  I knew the rosy outlook on him the last few days was a total farce.

Hawksworth apparently set to make the start on tuesday, which will be - if nothing else - interesting.  Of course, all the facinating young arm starts in the world won't save our season if Carp is out.

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=447023

by cardsfaninmass on Apr 8, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Pardon my french
but what the fuck was that strike 3 call?

Even when it hit the glove it was high.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols
can't be THAT helpless, right?

RIGHT?!

by StJimmy on Apr 8, 2007 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

someone said it here yesterday I think
but he does need to swing sometime at one of those first pitch strikes that he always gets right down the middle

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols
What the heck is his problem?  Is it a down year for him already?  The same thing is going on with Alex Gordon...
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 8, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, I don't feel so bad
Morgan Ensberg got hosed on the same terrible strike call that Chris Duncan did.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

0-2 count to Berkman
and you throw a 93 mph fastball up and down the middle?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe...
the wonder called APU has come to an end. Let's face it: Albert always said he only wanted to win a Ring. Now he has got it, so APU is no more...  
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by Johnny64 on Apr 8, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Obviously
John Rodriguez could probably help this team right now.  It wouldn't take much to get more production out of that third outfield spot.  

Does anyone think Bernie Williams - who isn't playing right now, could help?  He's a switch hitter.  PECOTA doesn't like him, but that doesn't always mean anything.  Jocketty seems to like former stars.  

That really sucks about Carp.  Really.  Hopefully it is nothing to serious.  If he's going to get the elbow scoped for chips - I say go ahead and get it over with.  We'll try to get on track before he gets back.  

Just my thoughts.

by Toddius396 on Apr 8, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Put Duncan at first
Skip on LF

Bench Pujols until he can start swinging again.

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 8, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

No,no, no
Put Apu in right and bring up Tagg to play first.  The way it's been looking this still isn't going to hurt or RF pruduction and it might improve 1st.  I have a lot of faith in Tagg for some reason.

by DJ4508 on Apr 8, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pr3sTOn
I'm to the point now where I am disappointed when Pr3sTOn gets a hit.   I think it just prolongs the time he spends on our roster.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

do you mean
Pr2st0n? He doesn't walk, and the only other 2 outcomes of his is a K and a HR....unless the 3rd outcome is a weak grounder to short

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!
I like my nickname, but yours is even better!  

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess
by the end of April we will see the Cards fielding a completely different team
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by Johnny64 on Apr 8, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Edmonds
Batting much better this season, and scores the first run
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 8, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols
needs a wake up call for sure.  an off day?  drop him to 6th in the order or something for a game or two?  does he need glasses?

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Wells is really getting squeezed
He threw about 3 balls that could've been called strike 3 to Lee.

by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess Albert
now holds 3rd place alone in the active home run leaders vs the Astros.

Not that I get tired of hearing it, but how many times will FSMW show that same stat in the pregames?

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I woulda been happy if he was only 3rd
for a couple minutes, but Edmonds didn't oblige.

by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa
"and Albert Pujols has just snapped out of it..."

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess...
he doesn't need to be benched or be moved to 6th now mercifully.

by WhiteGold on Apr 8, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

finally!
albert's BA > larussa's BAC

by gentry13 on Apr 8, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

umpire
seems to be randomly determining balls and strikes today.

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Here at home, I can't see home plate
because of the chalk.  I think he is having the same problem.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a heck
of a nice dip on that Win Probability Graph, huh Erik?

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

'stros
WP down to 23%, feeling pretty good. Lot of game left, but I like it. Especially when it involves Albert getting it going.

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols
Thank you now get that AVG to where it should be.
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 8, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

What's up with all these baserunners?
Haven't seen them much this year.  It's amazing to actually have runners that we can leave on base for once.

by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Kip Wells and Dave Duncan
may have been a match made in heaven.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

ad
for Bubba Burger behind the plate.  in case you didn't know that the game is in Texas...

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

crazy game in New York right now
snow falling, patches of blue sky, Andy Pettitte on in relief...

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

P-Dub
Good to see a hit
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 8, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i really like
how the bottom of our lineup doesn't seem to be as full of automatic outs as it was last year

by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I love
the baserunning this year. First Edmonds gets picked off, then Pr2st0n.

by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 8, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

i also really love
how garner and tony always try to be cute with squeezes and pitchouts and predictable bad moves

by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Tony does it
because people (broadcasters) think he's a wizard when it works. The other 75% of the time.....

by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 8, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like
That Yadi can execute on a hit and run.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Apr 8, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The pitch
was not a pitchout. It was just a pitch a little outside.

by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 8, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The pitch was definitely a pitchout
Perhaps Wells should've tried harder to get the bunt down or maybe one or the other of them missed a sign.  But it was a pitchout--no question.

by chuckb on Apr 8, 2007 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitchout
have to blame wells for that one.  Or maybe the umpire, calling the first pitch a strike when it was way high, taking the bat out of wells hands without allowing him a cut and forcing him to bunt.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 8, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a real fan of the squeeze there
up by three, just tell your pitcher to stand there and see if eck can bring him home.

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch
well, now we get to see Pujols raise his avg next inning
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 8, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

twice
Didn't this happen last night where they had first and third, no out, and didn't score.  Yuck.  

by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 8, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I love
Kip Wells' mound presence.  Not to mention swing-and miss stuff.  He could work on throwing more strikes though.
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Apr 8, 2007 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

sick of hearing this
"[insert Cardinal name here] is off to a slow start..."

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Top of the 6th = ugly
At least on ESPN gameday
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 8, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

First of all...
yikes?  He's throwing a 1-hitter through 7 against the Astros in Houston.

Second of all, there's also Wainwright if Wells doesn't suit your fancy.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 8, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was a great start
but he doesn't have the track record of being a top of the rotation starter.  not saying it won't happen, but right now it scares me.

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

ace
no, but heś had the potential ever since he was a white sox prospect.  He was highly touted them, but was rushed to the bigs.  so now is the time for him to realize the potential, if he stays healthy.

by mdarshan on Apr 9, 2007 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

here we go again
runners at the corners with no outs.

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert swung at the first pitch!
He's been taking those for some reason, even though a lot of em look pretty good to hit.  Maybe he's really snapping out of this.

by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert
just brought his batting average up to MVP-like .143!!!

by BigdJC on Apr 8, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

i'd rather
sub taguchi for pujols than duncan. have dunc take first.

by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this team
would benefit psychologically from busting a game open against a bullpen, don't you?  May it end 7-0.

by jfs on Apr 8, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

No mercy...
Watch them coming back in the 2nd half!
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by Johnny64 on Apr 8, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got home and checked the score
I may be in love with Kip Wells. Just a bit. And yay for Pu getting 2 hits.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Good haeven...
3 hits in a row! I take back my words about APu!
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by Johnny64 on Apr 8, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Long inning
This could lead Tony to end the day for Wells, which would be unfortunate.  It'd be nice if he let him try to finish off a 1-hit shutout.  But with the cool weather and the long inning, I bet he pulls him (think Carpenter in Game 3 of the WS last year).

by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

most likely you're right
Franklin warming up now.  too bad...

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh....
In that case, I'd like a few more runs.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi!
Thank you!
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It coulda been better too
the one hit was a bloop that found a hole in right in front of Wilson.  That close to a no-hit bid.

by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

P-Dub screwed it up, eh?
Naturally. ;)
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

For us on gameday
Could somebody tell me how Pujols got to third on a pop-up to the pitcher?

by jfs on Apr 8, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

it was weird
strange popup near the 1st base line... they let it drop and the umpires apparently ruled that they intentionally let it drop and put the infield fly rule in affect... Cardinal baserunners were confused and Pujols advanced in the confusion.

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine print in the rule book
It was sort of an infield fly rule, but the umpires didn't actually call it until after the play.  Wheeler tried to get a bush-league double play by dropping the ball, and they let pujols advance since the infield fly rules state that "batter is out but the runners advance at their own risk".
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by SleepyCA on Apr 8, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good job Franklin.
This is a big win to get. Hopefully we can play well against the Pirates.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Lidge time
hoping for an interesting top half of the inning.

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

nothing like a possible lidge AB
to give pujols his swing back

by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon guys!
Let's get APu up there against Lidge!
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hehehe...
Nice to see that some things never change. C'mon, Scottie, strike the big blow!
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

nice job by eckstein
loretta probably never saw that ball from pujols- eck was right between him and the ball the entire play.

Ah, intangibles ;)

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by SleepyCA on Apr 8, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Ever since Pujols owned Lidge's soul
in the playoffs in 2005, he hasn't been the same.  I love it!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 8, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

YAY SCOTTIE!
He did indeed strike that blow!! Bases-clearing double!!!
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

the deconstruction of lidge
continues. i used to take pleasure in it, it's wrong i know. now i just feel bad for the guy

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I almost feel bad for him too...
almost...

that dude needs a new team.  that's the only way things are going to change.  he is still throwing 96, but he needs a new pitching coach or something.

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it'll probably never happen
but send him our way. with Ryan Franklin looking like our 8th inning guy, and izzy being 35 years young and all, Lidge would be be worth taking a shot on. his stock sure continues to fall, i'm sure he'll be dealt at some point this season

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that way no
fear of having to face APu again... ;-)

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lidge
Oh, how I've been hoping for this to come to pass.  There are few things in this world I would rather see than Brad Lidge in a Cardinal uni.  It would be glorious.  Never have to face Albert again, Duncan would get him to ease up on throwing quite so many sliders, it would be a truly beautiful day.  I'm telling you, this is the was to go.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 8, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan?
Can D fix him for the 8th inning?
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by Johnny64 on Apr 8, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yadi pays him back
for that first pitch up and in...  I love it.

(and I don't feel sorry for him at all)

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by SleepyCA on Apr 8, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

His peripherals
were still good last year.  K:BB, etc.  I expected a bounce back.  

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

5.28 ERA
last year...

but, a 104:36 K/BB ratio.  only 69 hits in 75 IP.  a K and a quarter per inning.  a FIP of 3.70...

Grap him while his stock is undervalued!

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or just
Grab him...Grapping him is unnecessary, i guess.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

blame it on Gardner
not for today, Gardner was right to put him in to give him some work (although he went too long with him).

But, overall, Gardner has screwed him up by his handling.  World class talent ruined.

by enoscountry on Apr 8, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

geez...
save some runs for Pittsburgh!

by madding on Apr 8, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope
they're just making up for the scoring deficit in the Mets series.  The really good news is that we're taking advantage of mistakes/weakness now.

by Elle on Apr 8, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Short of a no-hitter
I can't imagine how this game could've gone better.
Wells was lights-out.
2 hits each for Pujols and Rolen, so hopefully the offense is back on track.
A lot to build on here.
(Also, apparently Molina just got his 3rd hit of the game -- Incredible)

by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

It feels really good
to be on this end of a 10-0 blowout and to actually score some blankety-blank-blank runs.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

No room in
the WPA graph for the lastest happenings.  Too much in the bag already.  Nice.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

self pat on the back
for my prophecy of wells having a good one

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

X W-L
i think we can finally tally a win in that column, maybe two

by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Bright side of 2 & 4...
We've won one of two series, and you know how TLR just preaches to focus on the series...

maybe the ship is righted.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

so i got home
ate and had to take a dump...as i got my computer started i was thinking man thatd be awesome if they won and APU was APU..but didnt actually think itd happen...then checked the scores...looks like i missed a good one
Kenny is a "dirt" bag?

by punchinjudy on Apr 8, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

hancock
is going to be looking for a job in the indy leagues if he doesn't right the ship here

by erik on Apr 8, 2007 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Good thing
we have such a sizeable lead. He's been looking a bit off lately. And he gives up an RBI double.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone trim
that hanging string on his glove.

He's too much of a hack for his slobbishness to have character.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's right...
not counting injuries, Hancock has the most precarious hold on a roster spot. I suppose TJ, Thompson and Schu all have options left, but Hancock is going to get cut pretty soon if he doesn't pull it together. I don't think LaRussa cares for him too much.
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by guayzimi on Apr 8, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game over
We take the win and the series. Even if we don't have Carp in Pittsburgh (gulp...) let's head in and keep hanging W's on the board.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Scarlet, here's a chance for your
boy to take over the "ace" slot.  Think big!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 8, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know!
I've been hoping very much that that's what happens, but at the same time, I just want Carp to come back, be healthy, and dominate.

Still... very much looking forward to what Adam can do. :D

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hancock
Hancock is very unimpressive here. We'll need him to be a lot better as we go along. I hope it was more of a no pressure situation where he was just trying to get three outs in any way possible.

by Brownale on Apr 8, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Great win
But can we release So yet?

by DriverZn on Apr 8, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

memphis outfield
HRs from JRod and Stavinoha today

by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is it going to take for them to
drop either Gooch or Wilson and call up JRod. . .

Good thing the veterans are all veteran-y and accustomed to slumps so they can use their vetern wiles to overcome their 'my baseball skills are deteriorating' slump.

John Rodriguez for Right Field

by azruavatar on Apr 8, 2007 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh don't worry, TLR will see the light
any day now, certainly before they reach 350 plate appearances each.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 8, 2007 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny
VEB has got me thinking so sabrmetrically that I'm happy for the 10 runs not just because it gives us a blow-out win but also because it gives our pythagorean record (and futures projected therefrom) some respectability now...

by jfs on Apr 8, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

it's all about sample size
the cards' true run-scoring ability obviously is better than 1.4 runs/game, which is what they were averaging coming into this game. they are now averaging 2.83 runs/game --- still well below their actual ability. over time it will stabilize somewhere between 4.5 and 5 runs a game (ie, 720 to 800 runs). . . . hopefully closer to 5 than to 4.5, obviously.

by lboros on Apr 8, 2007 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,
I get a kick out of blowout losses (don't hurt as bad as the one-run kind in my mind), and the nailbiting wins, and I love what it does to the Pythagorean.

At the end of the season, do you really want to be 5 Wins below what that ol' Greek said you should have, or maybe 3 or 4 above it?

by tinstl on Apr 8, 2007 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I've found about Pythags,
is that they can be permanently skewed by a strange stretch of play.  If you have an unusual start to the season, i.e., if you reach June 5 or more games above or below your Pythag record, it's very likely that gap will remain.  The 2005 Reds were a good example of this, I think they were off by 7 wins by June, and the gap never changed from then on.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 8, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

if hancock
keeps stinking the joint up again its early though you never know until about june or so...but if he tanks all yr who is this yrs Cal Eldred role?
Kenny is a "dirt" bag?

by punchinjudy on Apr 8, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
i'm gone for 3 days and they end up winning both the games i was unable to watch...maybe i should leave more often...

by tnek5 on Apr 8, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

also
i would like them to bring Stavinoha up sometime this year

by tnek5 on Apr 8, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeff Sackmann
is one of my favorite writers...BrewCrew, THT and his new splits thing...

He has an article at THT up where he talks about playing in a fantasy league that is backwards.  It gives you points for the bad things a player does.  He talks about how hard it is to find regular players that rack up the negatives.  If a guy is riding pine or in the minors, he won't get the "stats".  Anyways, Pr2sTOn Wilson was his number 3...just thought it was funny.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/no-ones-fantasy/

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I do think it's
a little funny that in the 7 guys he mentions...3 were ex-Brewers.   A little bitter ex-homerism there?  

I wonder if he considered Marquis?  LoL

by RedbirdRay on Apr 8, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

the J-rod push
I find it funny I have been on this site 2 years and each year we have a demote so and so or they should have resigned this guy. Last year it was to promote the "kid" full time, and the re-sign grudz sanders stuff...This yearthere is clamoring for J-rod full time?

I'mnot saying I disagree with dumping So or wilson. I don't think J-rod is the savior in waiting to solve what ailes the Cards OF...We won't know til they give him that chance, but I love when we see guys at limited time how when something goes wrong we cry out for that guy.."oh that's y J-rods not  up" or yes this guys better than J-rod...maybe maybe not...

I guess Im all for giving J-rod a full time shot just to see. I haven't seen what some on here do in him in his rotation rolls, but I'd try it if things don't get better in the OF. I personally think he'llalways be a platoon guy maybe better bat than SO but dunno about the glove..although that argument is closing as well..and he may not K as much as wilson...

So maybe swaping him for one of the 2 to continue to be a platoon guy maybe thatd work..I guess I'm saying I don't see any quick fix to this problem no guy on the current team or in the minors, itd have to be tinkered with to find the right fit.

Kenny is a "dirt" bag?

by punchinjudy on Apr 8, 2007 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a big Schumaker fan
Skip should start tomorrow in right field, seeing as Ian Snell turns lefthanders into the 2006 version of Grady Sizemore. But if he can't contribute offensively against such a pitcher even I'll admit that Rodriguez should get a shot to help this team with Skip's roster spot.

by liam on Apr 8, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

most of us
who are on the "demote so, promote j-rod" thing this year were on the "demote so, promote j-rod" thing this time last year, too.  I don't think it compares in any way with the grudz/sanders thing.  In fact, it's pretty much the opposite- j-rod is a young(ish) guy with potential upside; so/grudz/sanders are old farts who have shown what they can do and are on the severe arse-end of their careers.  

Schumaker might still surprise us, but So will not.

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 9, 2007 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow..
Ian Snell vs

Yadi - 5/10, 3XBH, 2 Homers
Albert - 4/6, 4 Homers
Jimmy - 3/6, 2 Homers

Fantasy owners may considered sitting this guy tomorrow.

by El Hombre on Apr 8, 2007 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy crap
Looks like all we need is a little Ian Snell for what ails us.

Now watch Tony start Bennett behind the plate, Taguchi in center, and Speezer at 1st while giving Yadi, Jimmy, and Albert a rest for the day game after a travel day. ;-)

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Apr 9, 2007 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

beware the small sample size
and rookie pitchers can be unpredictable
John Rodriguez for Right Field

by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2007 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

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