Game 6 Open Thread: April 8, 2007
Many of you may have seen my new blog over at fangraphs.com, Gas House Graphs. It's a win probability blog and on my sunday posts here I'll be "chewing yesterday's breakfast" through the win probability perspective. But I just realized I never really explained what the heck win probability is over there, so I thought I'd briefly explain it over here on my first Sunday 'day after game' post before I get going. Win probability involves math and could be seen as sort of geeky, hopefully that doesn't turn too many of you off. On the other hand, it's a great way to look at the narrative of the game. Anyway, here's the gist of win probability:
A team has a certain chance of wining the game at any point in time of the game, as determined by the innings, score, how many outs there are and the runners on base. Based on historical data, a home team will have a certain percentage of win probability based on the particular sitution. Take for instance Friday night's game. With the Astros down by 2 runs, and with runners on first and third and no one out, the Astros probability of winning that game was 46.7%. Historically, the Astros had a pretty good shot at winning the game despite the fact they were down by 2 runs. With no outs, having a runner in scoring position and having home team advantage they were very much alive. Then Phil Garner did a move we all scratched our head about the next day, he went for the suicide squeeze. In that situation where had Brad Ausmus been successful in executing the squeeze, it still would've dropped the Astros win probability to 42.2%. Why? Even if they had scored the run and moved the runners up to 2nd, they still would've given up an out, and win probabilities tell us giving up outs is rarely a good idea. Instead, the move totally backfired on Scrap Iron, as Wainwright and Molina turned a beautiful and rare 1-2-3 double play and the Astros win probability went down from 46.7% to just 20.4% afterwards. That's a negative 26.3%. Bad news for the Astros and something to cheer about for Cardinal fans.
Individual players are credited and debited with win probability too. Say for instance it's the 5th inning with no outs, and Scott Rolen is on 2nd and Jim Edmonds is on 1st in a scoreless tie. The Cardinals win probability is 68.1% with Preston Wilson at the plate. Say P-Dub strikes out in typical fashion, he is debited with -6.6% win probability. Make sense? Of course, it's not a perfect stat. It doesn't take into account who's at the plate, whether he's a banjo hitter or Albert Pujols. Nor does it take into account who's on the mound, whether it's Billy Wagner or Charlie Brown. Also, individual players who hit solo homeruns in the first inning aren't going to have the same effect on win probability added, as say the guy who hits the walkoff in the 9th because obviously the walkoff had the biggest effect on the outcome of the game. It's certainly not a predictive stat, but if there is such a thing as clutch hitting, win probability added will likely uncover it. Me, I like it because it emphasizes the feeling or mood of the game. When the team's win probability is 80% or above, usually the home crowd is feeling pretty good. Say it's the 9th and the probability goes down to around 63%, fans on the edge of their seat. Or say if it's an uneventful game like yesterday when the Cardinal win probability didn't rise all that high, usually come around the 6th or 7th you're fiddling with the remote to find a re-run of SNL or Seinfeld to flip back and forth to.
Ok, with all that said, here's yesterday's win probability graph:

WPA stud of the game: Adam Kennedy +13.3%.
WPA goat of the game: David Eckstein -15.9%.
Biggest at bat: Gary Bennett's RBI single for the only run in the game. +6.8%.
Biggest pitch: Craig Biggio's 2 RBI double in the 2nd off of Anthony Reyes -14.7%.
Total WPA for hitters: -35.1%
Total WPA for pitchers: -7.77 (Idea yoinked from Lookout Landing. Props to you, oh great Mariner blog.)
Yet another not bad, yet somewhat underwhelming performance by Reyes. I didn't see the game, someone fill me in on his velocity and how he looked. From looking at gameday, he didn't get many swings and misses and batters where fighting a lot of pitches off. He just hasn't had the same ability to put batters away that he had in AAA. I'm not sure why exacty, but Reyes needs to pick it up soon. I'm reminded of Rich Hill, who was dominating in AAA, had a 3:1 K/BB ratio in the minors but was dreadful over his first 8 starts for the Cubs, posting a 9.21 ERA and having a K/BB ratio of 1:1. He came back to the majors late July, cut his walks dramatically, started missing bats and put up a 2.92 ERA over his final 12 starts. Reyes has had more time to adjust and hasn't quite yet but I'm still hopeful he'll improve. But this high pitch count problem needs to go away, a regular major league starter has to go over 5 innings per game.
But it's not Reyes who has the blame for the Cardinal loss, like most of the country, the bats have been hit with an unusual cold front and have yet to thaw out. The Cardinal hitters are a cumulative negative 150.5% WPA over these 5 games. They have not had a game where the hitter's WPA was in the black, even in their one win. The leader of the offense is 1 for 17 and while I certainly am the last person to worry about Albert, I don't remember ever witnessing him being so off. Last April he was an absolute beast, now he looks like he could use an off day. The team currently boasts of a ghastly team line of .192/.256/.298. Blech. With the chilly weather, these bats need hats, keep bats warm.

wells jennings
0-1, 3.00 0-0, 1.50
For those of you who are interested in following the game's win probability, you can catch the live scoreboard feature at Fangraphs. Albert hit 3 home runs last Easter, hopefully he can play some catch up today. I have a good feeling about Wells today, and I'm not a big believer in jinxes, so please no one get onto me if he doesn't do well. :)
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This is not about the game,
Squeeze seemed like a good idea to me
Ausmus hit 230 last year with no power. If he can bunt, a squeeze for him looked like a great thing to do.
I think this is the reason that the fangraph is just flawed for predicting this situation. Like you said, it doesn't take the hitter or pitcher into account. Imho, the astros tried to make the best of a bad situtation (Ausmus at the plate). It backfired in the worst way. But do nothing special and you have a .230 right-handed hitter against someone who just dominates right-handed batters.
Houston was losing, and they needed to take a gamble to try to win the game.
by redbird2006in on Apr 8, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
The problem was
If you really want to give up the out there, go w/ the safety squeeze so that the out you give up is the hitter and not the runner on third. You cannot do anything that has a decent chance of getting that runner on 3rd thrown out at home. That's why it was a bad decision -- because any number of decisions -- letting Ausmus hit w/ no play, hit and run, safety squeeze -- are better plays.
One thing I noticed with Reyes,
I also
Lineups
D. Eckstein ss
C. Duncan lf
A. Pujols 1b
S. Rolen 3b
J. Edmonds cf
P. Wilson rf
Y. Molina c
A. Kennedy 2b
K. Wells p
Houston
C. Biggio 2b
M. Ensberg 3b
L. Berkman 1b
C. Lee lf
L. Scott rf
M. Loretta ss
C. Burke cf
B. Ausmus c
J. Jennings p
Busted out the Big Boy lineup today, did we Tony?
More problems for Carpenter
Today's lineup
Bernie link
Hawksworth apparently set to make the start on tuesday, which will be - if nothing else - interesting. Of course, all the facinating young arm starts in the world won't save our season if Carp is out.
Pardon my french
Even when it hit the glove it was high.
someone said it here yesterday I think
Pujols
At some point you have to recognize that...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 8, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, I don't feel so bad
0-2 count to Berkman
Maybe...
Obviously
Does anyone think Bernie Williams - who isn't playing right now, could help? He's a switch hitter. PECOTA doesn't like him, but that doesn't always mean anything. Jocketty seems to like former stars.
That really sucks about Carp. Really. Hopefully it is nothing to serious. If he's going to get the elbow scoped for chips - I say go ahead and get it over with. We'll try to get on track before he gets back.
Just my thoughts.
by Toddius396 on Apr 8, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Put Duncan at first
Bench Pujols until he can start swinging again.
Come on now
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Pr3sTOn
do you mean
I guess
Edmonds
Pujols
Wells is really getting squeezed
by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
I guess Albert
Not that I get tired of hearing it, but how many times will FSMW show that same stat in the pregames?
I woulda been happy if he was only 3rd
by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess...
Here at home, I can't see home plate
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
'stros
Pujols
What's up with all these baserunners?
by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
P-Dub
i really like
by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
I love
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 8, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
i also really love
by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Tony does it
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 8, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like
The pitch
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 8, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The pitch was definitely a pitchout
pitchout
not a real fan of the squeeze there
ouch
twice
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 8, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
I love
First of all...
Second of all, there's also Wainwright if Wells doesn't suit your fancy.
it was a great start
Albert swung at the first pitch!
by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
i'd rather
by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
I think this team
if we guys are having though on our team
No mercy...
Just got home and checked the score
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
Good haeven...
Long inning
by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
Eh....
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It coulda been better too
by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
P-Dub screwed it up, eh?
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
For us on gameday
it was weird
Fine print in the rule book
Good job Franklin.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
nothing like a possible lidge AB
by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
C'mon guys!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
Hehehe...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
nice job by eckstein
Ah, intangibles ;)
Ever since Pujols owned Lidge's soul
YAY SCOTTIE!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
the deconstruction of lidge
I almost feel bad for him too...
that dude needs a new team. that's the only way things are going to change. he is still throwing 96, but he needs a new pitching coach or something.
it'll probably never happen
Lidge
by the red baron on Apr 8, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yadi pays him back
(and I don't feel sorry for him at all)
blame it on Gardner
But, overall, Gardner has screwed him up by his handling. World class talent ruined.
Short of a no-hitter
Wells was lights-out.
2 hits each for Pujols and Rolen, so hopefully the offense is back on track.
A lot to build on here.
(Also, apparently Molina just got his 3rd hit of the game -- Incredible)
by CardFaninVA on Apr 8, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
It feels really good
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
X W-L
by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Bright side of 2 & 4...
maybe the ship is righted.
so i got home
Good thing
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone trim
He's too much of a hack for his slobbishness to have character.
That's right...
Game over
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
Scarlet, here's a chance for your
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 8, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know!
Still... very much looking forward to what Adam can do. :D
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 8, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hancock
memphis outfield
by johnstonburg on Apr 8, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
what is it going to take for them to
Good thing the veterans are all veteran-y and accustomed to slumps so they can use their vetern wiles to overcome their 'my baseball skills are deteriorating' slump.
Oh don't worry, TLR will see the light
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 8, 2007 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny
it's all about sample size
Actually,
At the end of the season, do you really want to be 5 Wins below what that ol' Greek said you should have, or maybe 3 or 4 above it?
One thing I've found about Pythags,
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 8, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
if hancock
wow
Jeff Sackmann
He has an article at THT up where he talks about playing in a fantasy league that is backwards. It gives you points for the bad things a player does. He talks about how hard it is to find regular players that rack up the negatives. If a guy is riding pine or in the minors, he won't get the "stats". Anyways, Pr2sTOn Wilson was his number 3...just thought it was funny.
I do think it's
I wonder if he considered Marquis? LoL
the J-rod push
I'mnot saying I disagree with dumping So or wilson. I don't think J-rod is the savior in waiting to solve what ailes the Cards OF...We won't know til they give him that chance, but I love when we see guys at limited time how when something goes wrong we cry out for that guy.."oh that's y J-rods not up" or yes this guys better than J-rod...maybe maybe not...
I guess Im all for giving J-rod a full time shot just to see. I haven't seen what some on here do in him in his rotation rolls, but I'd try it if things don't get better in the OF. I personally think he'llalways be a platoon guy maybe better bat than SO but dunno about the glove..although that argument is closing as well..and he may not K as much as wilson...
So maybe swaping him for one of the 2 to continue to be a platoon guy maybe thatd work..I guess I'm saying I don't see any quick fix to this problem no guy on the current team or in the minors, itd have to be tinkered with to find the right fit.
I'm a big Schumaker fan
most of us
Schumaker might still surprise us, but So will not.
Wow..
Yadi - 5/10, 3XBH, 2 Homers
Albert - 4/6, 4 Homers
Jimmy - 3/6, 2 Homers
Fantasy owners may considered sitting this guy tomorrow.
Holy crap
Now watch Tony start Bennett behind the plate, Taguchi in center, and Speezer at 1st while giving Yadi, Jimmy, and Albert a rest for the day game after a travel day. ;-)

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