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Game 17 Open Thread: April 21, 2007

reyes

marquis

0-2, 5.40

1-1, 2.65

through 6 innings yesterday, i was thinking how predictable the cardinals have been this spring. nearly every game's the same: they pitch pretty good, they don't hit, they're jekyll/hyde in the field. if they scrape a few hits together and score first, they generally hang on to win; fall behind early and they lose. the sense of anticipation that usually animates a ballgame --- the knowledge that anything can happen --- just hasn't been there.

novelty returned in the 7th, and another mind-numbingly bad day for the st louis offense turned into compelling baseball. there was wilson's wholly unexpected homer, reversing the lead; then the triple play that wasn't, which put me in mind of this two-year-old-post about a crazy 26-year-old play at busch II. there followed some determined pitching from looper, in a situation that he should have found very familiar --- a late-inning jam in a tight game, the type of situation he'd likely be called into in his old role as a setup man. but i never saw him clench his jaw in such situations last year the way he did yesterday. the confrontation with daryle ward was something; he attacked, pitched with anger, and blew the dude away. if he'd exhibited that type of mind-set as a closer, he never would have been moved out of the role.

then the cedeno play in the 9th --- anybody ever seen that one before? ah, unpredictability; maybe it will be worth watching this team after all.

Bleed Cubbie Blue's al yellon and i sent each other 5 questions about our respective teams. head over to BCB for my answers to his questions, which were:

  1. What's wrong with Albert Pujols? I was astounded to see him hitting .190 coming into the series.
  2. The Cardinals got a starting pitcher, Ryan Franklin, and made him a setup man. Then they took a setup man, Braden Looper, and made him a starter. Why?
  3. Are you worried about the Cardinals' lack of depth in the rotation? What can they do if Reyes or Wainwright or Looper fail?
  4. Jim Edmonds. Done?
  5. Which Cardinal's early-season performance are you most excited about?
and here are al's answers to my questions about the cubs. his remarks about rich hill put me in mind of today's st louis starter, anthony reyes; maybe it'll click for anthony at some point this year the way it did for hill:

1. Lilly, Marquis, and Hill all have stellar ERAs; Lee, Ramirez, and Floyd are all pounding the ball; DeRosa is tied for 3d in the league in home runs. How on earth can you guys be in last place?
I think you have seen part of the reason for this after Friday's game -- the Cubs are not a fundamentally sound team, making baserunning errors all over the place. The one in the 9th inning on Friday may have cost them a game. About the other things, Lee may be "pounding the ball", but he has yet to homer, and DeRosa's hitting in the .230's despite having four home runs.

The problems with fundamentals must be addressed, and immediately. Frankly, I'd make a statement by sending Ronny Cedeno back to Iowa right now.

2. Has Piniella made any decisions so far that Dusty wouldn't have made? If not, is Lou making a difference in other ways?
Lou has shown at least a desire to shake things up when lineups or other things aren't going well -- Dusty would have just said, "Bad day, dude" and kept trotting out the same lineup that failed, day after day after day. He's tried players at different positions -- Matt Murton played right field a couple of times, something he hadn't done since Double-A ball, and he's used Ryan Theriot at leadoff with Alfonso Soriano out.

So far it hasn't made a lot of difference in wins, but I think it will. The team's getting the message that the old ways aren't good enough.

3. A 7.77 era for Zambrano through 4 starts --- what's wrong with him?
Nothing. Z was 0-2 with a 5.35 ERA last April, then went 3-1, 1.90 in May. The only worrisome thing to me is that, like last year, he's still walking too many people. Before 2005, we used to say that Z was on if he'd get a lot of ground balls early. Now I think he's trying to throw the ball past everyone, which he can do, but sometimes he doesn't have his good command, and thus misses the strike zone too much.

4. Which Cub's early-season performance are you most excited about?
No question about it, Rich Hill. I was way down on Hill during his first couple of callups, when he seemed confused and unsure of himself. Something happened to him last May when they sent him down, and when he came back in August he was suddenly the dominant guy at the major-league level that he had been in Triple-A.

Whatever it was, it has carried over to his first three starts of 2007 -- an 0.41 ERA and 8 hits allowed in 22 IP, with a 3-0 record. If he can keep this up there will be All-Star buzz about him very soon. Love his approach to the game, and that curveball can be unhittable if he spots it well.

5. Who's a better hitter --- Marquis or Zambrano?
Z has more power, but all things considered, Marquis is a better all-around hitter. Lou has already used him as a pinch-hitter twice, and once as a pinch-runner in the 14th inning of last Tuesday's loss, after he ran out of position players. Lou said that had the Cubs tied the game, Marquis would have gone in as the first baseman. That would have been interesting!

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Future Redbirds is on hiatus today, but whiteyball has a full farm system report.

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Does anyone know how to get around
the Saturday Fox blackout on MLB.TV?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes
To live in Italy!!!

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Apr 21, 2007 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow
This just gives me another reason to hate the red sox - yankees rivalry.

I was so excited for this game . . .

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 21, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen yesterday's match...
... and it was unbelievable!! A kind of a poor's fight, luckily Looper went stronger and stronger, while Lilly showed some flaws. All in all, I believe that the Cards deserved the win with their better fundamentals.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Apr 21, 2007 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Youneverknow....
first time I've ever seen a guy thrown out at second on a 3-2 walk...

Yep! Still the Cubs!

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Apr 21, 2007 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought
the game was supposed to be broadcast nationally on Fox, but all it's showing in DC is Yankees Red Sox...I hate the east coast bias

by MarcGldstn on Apr 21, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Same here and I'm more than
7 hours away from New York and Boston.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in NC.....
I guess the NY-Bos matchup is considered to be the bigger television event. Too bad....I'm forced to watch two Boston games in two weeks on FOX. Some baseball still better than no baseball though........

by fuegophil on Apr 21, 2007 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's bullshit
Geographically speaking, the whole country should be watching Cardinals-Cubs except for New England.  I understand that Yankees-Red Sox is a huge rivalry but you can't say it's any bigger or any less big than Cards-Cubs or Dodgers-Giants or any other big baseball rivalries.  Just like Ohio St.-Michigan isn't the end-all be-all of college football rivalries.  It's just the ones that ESPN like better.

</rant>

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

um...
i agree that cards-cubs is huge - but pedro never pile-drove don zimmer in a cards-cubs game. i'm not saying that was the classiest imbroglio for anyone involved, but for espn - and the rest of the country - to care about cubs-cards the same way they do about yanks-sox, fireworks that big need to be involved. the teams legitimately need to hate each other. mariano rivera said this offseason that if he tests free agency, there's no way he could go to boston - even though saying so was the opposite of his financial interests. i think pedro said the same thing when he was leaving boston. (counter-example: damon. but still.)

thank god jason marquis is gone - but i don't think this rivalry had anything to do with where he ended up.

all of which is to say, i can understand why yanks-sox is the top bill today.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 21, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm
I'm in Seattle, and according to Fox, we live closer to the east than the midwest . . .
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 21, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Count California in as well..
who IS getting the chi/stl game on fox???

by El Hombre on Apr 21, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

FOX Coverage
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5619630

They claim 31% get Cards-Cubs.  31% of land area, maybe, but not population.

I'm stuck with Yanks-Sox in Seattle too.  We'd have to move to Colorado to get our beloved Cards.

by ColinMacLeod on Apr 21, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes
After watching yesterday's game, I think Reyes matches up well against the cubbies.  Looper threw a lot of first pitch fastballs and go ahead of hitters, and was getting them out early in counts.  If Reyes takes the same approach, I think we'll see some good things.

6IP, 1ER, 5H, 1BB, 4K

Let's hang a snowman on Marquis.  I think Jimmy gets his first dong today.

get up baby, get up

by jimmybaseball42 on Apr 21, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm just excited to see him pitch on regular rest
I think this start will be a good indication of what to expect from the guy this season.  This is his first start on regular rest and in his previous two starts this year, after rocky first innings, he's settled down and not given up a thing.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tales From The Underbelly ...
Cards are last in team batting average at .229, and also a mind-numbingly low .636 ops.

Conversely, their team era of 3.17 is 3rd best.

Hats off to the pitchers (who happen to be good hitters too).

Batters - git bizzy

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 21, 2007 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

the offense
isn't going to be this bad all year, there's no way....I'm worried about whether the pitchers will stay this good.

Jock is going to be looking for at least one bat in mid-season, and they've still got some $$$ to spend right? AFAIC they should just go ahead and make Duncan a full-time starter in left and see if they can trade Juan for either a better hitter or a better fielder, or sign a free agent in RF and trade Juan for a reliever or prospects or something....

Carp is out til ??, Wells is good, WW is good, Loop is a hell of a lot better than anybody expected, but he's not going to have a < 2.50 ERA all year, and we're still not sure how good Reyes really is over a whole season....Izzy is evidently back (hallelujah!) but does the rest of the bullpen look like the worldbeaters they suddenly became in October last year?

If we can just get AP and Rolen hitting again everything will be fine....

by nota bene on Apr 21, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Predictions ...
on the performance of a Jason Marquis today?

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 21, 2007 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully a performance like he gave us......
When he first faced the Braves a couple years ago. He stunk. I don't remember the numbers, but I don't think he lasted four. Hopefully, we chase him in the first.

Probably the fifth, though.

by fuegophil on Apr 21, 2007 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I foresee...
... 5 innings, 5 earned runs, 2 HR, 3 BB, 2 SO

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Apr 21, 2007 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends
If he overthrows and tries to blow the batters away, he may get damaged.  Otherwise I say he'll probably go six and maybe give up 3 runs.

When he focuses and sticks to the game plan, he can be quite good.  This may be one of those games.

by dontEATnachos on Apr 21, 2007 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno
Predicting Marquis is so tough that's how he ended up with his VEB nickname....

but I hope AP hits one to Gary in his first AB, and thereafter Jason melts down and gives up 19 runs.

by nota bene on Apr 21, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 IP 2 ER 3 H 2 BB, W
Not because he's such a good pitcher, but because our offense is so anemic.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

enigma v. mystery
This game could be 18-13, 1-0, or anywhere in between.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 21, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Broadcast of Today's Game
First time poster-long time reader.  Saw that people are looking for game.  If you have Direct TV, Fox E-I think that is Espanol-has the national feed of the game-it's 616 on Direct TV.   Probably is also on cable systems.  Will be first for me to watch game broadcast in Spanish, but the game's the game.  Maybe someone will hit.

by MortLA on Apr 21, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

you rule!
Mort, many thanks. you made my day, however sad that might sound to the general public. i have Time Warner digital cable in Austin. Fox is showing NYY-BOS (in a NL Central market with the Astros' triple A team 45 minutes down the road), but channel 617 (Fox Southwest Español) is indeed airing the Cards-Cubs feed according to the guide. this Bud's for you, Béisbol de las Grandes Ligas.

& there's another one where that came from if Pujols takes Marquis deep in the top of the first.

by redbadger on Apr 21, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed
You, Mort, are a golden god.

Time to brush up on my espanol...

by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 21, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp Update?
What IS the news on Carpenter? I haven't heard an update in a while.

by effin fisk on Apr 21, 2007 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The breakdown of FOX's games today:
GAME SUMMARIES:
1=Yankees @ Red Sox (HD) - 68% -- Joe Buck, Tim McCarver, Ken Rosenthal
2=Cardinals @ Cubs - 31% -- Kenny Albert, Joe Girardi

I'm sure almost 70% of the country is BoSox/Yinks fans.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm even more sure
that there are more than 2x as many Yankees/Red Sox fans as there are Cardinals/Cubs.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups:
per ESPN

STL

  1. Eckstein SS
  2. Duncan LF
  3. Pujols 1B
  4. Rolen 3B
  5. Edmonds CF
  6. Wilson RF
  7. Kennedy 2B
  8. Bennett C
  9. Reyes P
CHI
  1. Pie CF
  2. Murton LF
  3. Lee 1B
  4. Ramirez 3B
  5. Barrett C
  6. Jones RF
  7. DeRosa 2B
  8. Cedeno SS
  9. Marquis P
I would rather see Yadi catching our weakest pitcher, try to turn him around.  If I were Pinella (sp?) I'd move Marquis above Cedeno in the batting order.

Other than Bennett I like the lineup.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Marquis pinch hitting avg
Caught the last few innings of the Duds and Braves the other night. Lou used Marquis to pinch hit, it showed his career pinch hitting average at .287.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just odd
bc last weekend (at least in DC) FOX was broadcasting commercials talking about the cards cubs game being on tv here today, and i find out this morning that they switched to yanks/red sox...at least you guys are here to keep us posted on the game

by MarcGldstn on Apr 21, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

bad baserunning
I do remember Manny of all people getting tagged out going to 2nd on a 3-2 walk when he got to 2nd and for some reason stepped off the bag

by zolak16 on Apr 21, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I pledge today
Not to mention Pujols average

Not to compare Preston Wilson to Rob Deer

Not use So Taguchi's name to critize his game i.e " He is 'So' crappy a hitter."

Not to be surprised when I realize we should have kept the other pitcher named Reyes.

Not to refer to Izzy as Iffy in a save situation.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

"Marmaduke" Duncan?
Preston Wilson, you just earned a day off from my anger.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

early impression
looks like the prom queen showed up today.

by effin fisk on Apr 21, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

classless
is their any reason to boo pujols?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

... and I pledge NOT to -
declare the team pathetic when:
  • Duncan has a ball hit off his head
  • another one of those rally-killing double plays bails Marquis out of early trouble
  • Reyes hits 100 pitches in the bottom of the 4th

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 21, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

bitch
he never did like pujols did he?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh it's on
D-Lee going down next inning?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

alright jimmy
close your eyes, guess fastball, and swing as hard as you can.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

contact!

by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 21, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

They're called homeruns.
"Marquis is very good at elevating the baseball."

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

good lay-off jimmy
now dont let that low one fool 'ya

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

26 pitch inning
that's a good sign. So is the fact that Betty seems to be working slowely today. I recall that when he takes a long time between pitches, it usually means he's getting rattled.

by effin fisk on Apr 21, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

People who can't see the game
Thought I'd let you know that radio is still up if you haven't checked. So yeah, gameday radio on the mlb site has the game.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 21, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

hi i'm ryan dempster;
i'll be you're save-blower today. nice to see you!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

hey!
it's another reyes high fastball strikeout!

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Joe Girardi
just said that Reyes is a sinkerballer.  I mean, I realize the Cards are trying to get him to throw lower in the zone, but to call him a sinkerballer is like calling PDub a good contact hitter because he made contact with a ball yesterday.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 21, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Card/Cubs is one of the best rivalries
it's nice to see they assigned the best announcers for the game.

by effin fisk on Apr 21, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just said it again
Nice scouting report, hoss.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston/New York
Update # 1

And they went out of their way to say what Jeter did in his at-bat.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

saladdin
you keep the update count on bos-nyy and hardcore keep the count on cards-cubs.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

DP ball here
C'mon......
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Reyes
His velocity looks good today, the results, so far, not so much.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 21, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I get the feeling
That the scouting report on Reyes is out...He'll get you to 0-2 or 1-2, then has no out pitch.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

strikeout number two
that curveball is new. I miss the changeup, but whatever works.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

get your
reyes conspiracy theories going.......i have barrett  on my fantasy team, its bittersweet.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I know what you mean
I have Barrett on mine simply because it eases the pain.

by enoscountry on Apr 21, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

elevating
Reyes "elevates" the ball pretty well, too.

by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 21, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh...
... that's why Reyes needs to learn to work low in the strike zone.

maybe he'll settle in.

by kindred on Apr 21, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

marquis's pitching
they'll get those back...probaly next inning.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Well that blows
Reyes, unforunately, isn't building a body of work to make an argument to retain a spot in the rotation.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Starts this year?
Reyes won't hit 18 before he is back on Beale Street.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we gonna score 3+ runs?
Even against Marquis?

I have my doubts...

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

You Know,
if I knew where Michael Barrett lived, I would totally go and hit him with my car.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 21, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I would
steal his mailbox. Then he would not get his bills. He couldn't pay his mortage and he would become homeless and have to live in a cardboard box. Then catch scurvy from having no fresh fruit.

Of course this is a felony...

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Yankees/BoSox game is going to get ugly
quick.  This Yankees is horrible.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yankees pitcher, you mean?
I'm suffering through this just like you, Hardcore...ugh...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
exactly.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
He was trying to go up and in on Barrett.  He got up, but it was just on the inside half, rather than on his hands.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 21, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

P-dub?
9-pitch AB?  Single?!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Why do Cubs CF'ers
make amazing bleeping catches every season?  Of all the terrible defense they play at most of the other positions, their CF'ers rob us of runs all the time.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Anthony can make up for the last inning
with 1 swing of the bat.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Had his chance
missed the sign on the 1st pitch, swung away.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Catch
By Pie there to rob Kennedy of an XBH. I don't think Soriano or Jones would've gotten that one.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

You know you haven't pitched deep
into games when you are a starting pitcher with only 2 AB's in the year.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Radio guys just said
Reyes might be a good hitter (for a pitcher) some day because when he's hitting, he "stands his ground."

Two former Cardinals whose hitting abilities I would describe as "standing their ground":

  1. Mike Matheny
  2. Eddie Gaedel
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 21, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Matheny
Still stood there after being hit with a pitch in the mouth.
Hard to beat that as "Standing in there."

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

reyes
he isnt doing himself any favors

by truemun12 on Apr 21, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

This Offense
makes me cry.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 21, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Any hope of Eckstein laying one down
somewhere in the outfield?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 21, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

they cant
just get that one fucking hit.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Get the pen up
Reyes makes BiPolar Betty look league average.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Infield in: 1 out in the 2nd inning
THAT is how pathetic our offense is.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Why can't Reyes just throw the ball low?
Hell, roll it up to the plate, they'd score less.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 21, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm noticing a reoccuring theme this year
is the games i can't watch are the ones we win and the games i can watch...we don't.

by tnek5 on Apr 21, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

NY/BOS GameBreak
Showed Barry hit one out against 'zona and something from Braves/Mets...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup, no Cards/Cubs
Interesting.  
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Albert gets knocked down or hit
he usually smokes the next ball.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

man on 3rd w/one out
and we kept him from scoring; time to turn it around.

Yay, dunc!

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 21, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Reyes
For the life of me, I can't figure out what the hell has happened to this kid.  His first start in the majors, an emergency start, he was dominating.  He should have been terrified, but he comes out and throws a beautiful game.  

Two years later, he can't seem to get anybody out.  Just absolutely cannot figure it out.  I'm sure the way he's been handled hasn't helped matters, but it seems like all the things that made him a top flight prospect are gone.  His velocity is good but not great, (not where it was at least) his changeup has taken a big step back, and his command isn't nearly as good as it used to be.  If trying to change his style really did cause all of this, the Cardinals need to give up on the sinker experiment immediately.  I don't know if that's the issue, though.  Maybe he's just destined to be one of those guys who fizzles out at the major league level.  

I'm still holding out hope for the Rich Hill career path.  

Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 21, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you think
Jason secretly wants to put one in Lil' Dunc's ear because he's the son of Dave?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Pop out, Pop out
and we know Edmonds isn't going yard.

Best opportunity to score runs and they do nothing with it.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

GameDay froze
So I assume something strange happened like yesterday...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing Strange
The usual Cardinals, leaving runners on base.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 21, 2007 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

play
duncan singled
pujols pops up cubs drop it and throw dunc out at second
rolen pops out
edmonds flys out

by truemun12 on Apr 21, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

According to BCB
apparently Pie is making some solid plays in CF today...we almost might have been better served with Soriano out there.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I would venture to say
the game might be tied up, if not 4-3 or so if Soriano was in center.  He never would have gotten to Kennedy's shot and would have had to make the correct read immediately to get to the other one (can't remember who hit it).

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston/New York
Update #2
They cut to A Rods at bat.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

That was fairly obnoxious
It was kinda amusing to see Manny super-mario jump over the ball, though.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Out, Everybody
I'm turning this game off.  My girlfriend and I were going to go out rock climbing today, but I was trying to to sort of weasel my way into watching the rest of this game.  The game, however, doesn't look to be getting any more worthwhile, so here I go.  

Later.  

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by the red baron on Apr 21, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

My girlfriend
will be here in 15 minutes. I am thinking about calling her fat as soon as she walks in the door so the Cardinals will know what putting up a fight to win actually looks like.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll regret this!
P-Dub with his SECOND! INFIELD! SINGLE!

Seriously, though. I'd kill to go climb on some rocks on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

Living in central illinois, the biggest change in elevation I routinely encounter is my driveway.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to GameDay
he reached on an error, but I don't trust that crappy software...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cedeno bobbled the ball
I was taking comedic (sic) license.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 consecutive popups to the infield
Pujols popped up to the 3B side of the mound and they had Cedeno, Ramirez, Barrett, Lee (!!) and Marquis all within about ten feet of each other....Ramirez dropped the ball, but Marquis recovered to throw Duncan out....

Then Rolen popped up to second and Lee was going way too far again and bumped into DeRosa....a split second later and I'm convinced DeRosa would have kicked it....

The LFer (Murton?) had an issue with Duncan's liner too....but Pie looked really good on liners from Kennedy and Edmonds....

by nota bene on Apr 21, 2007 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Marquis has been doing his best
to implode for the Cards...

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Whataya mean?
It's not like we've left 5 on base through 3 innings.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston/NY
Update # 3

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Still no Cards/Cubs
update in this one.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could go for a SnoCone
right now.  Make me feel a lot better.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

So...
How are we gonna find a way to score 0 runs with runners on 1st and 2nd and 0 outs?  Suggestions?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

With the error
It might take us four outs to blow the opportunity, but I think we might pull it out.

(That's sarcasm not pessimism. If the Marquis/Cubs Nexus of Losing can't spark the Cards offense...)

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

why in the hell isn't Wilson on 3rd?
hit-and-run and a single to RF and he stops at 2nd. then he doesn't advance on the fly. i know Jones has a good arm, but that's horrible base-running.

by kindred on Apr 21, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Jones does not have a good arm
The only one out there I wouldn't run on all day is Pie.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

respectfully disagree
that ball was hit too hard.  making an out at third would kill the rally.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 21, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine...
... so why wasn't he on 3rd after the hit-and-run single? isn't the point of a hit-and-run play to advance the runner beyond where he'd normally be?

by kindred on Apr 21, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones arm is so so bad -
P-Dub coulda walked to 3rd base and maybe - MAYBE - that little Reyes nubber that RAmirez muffed would have scored him. (that's being presumptious, I realize). But, does it matter if we get beat 4-0 or 4-1 ... ?

Bottom line: bad baserunning - in keeping with the style this team has solidly established all April

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 21, 2007 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not on third
It has been so long since he has been on base he forgot what to do.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eck,
i'm begging you here.

by redbadger on Apr 21, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Walk him please
then Dunc can hit one that disappears into the Ivy.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Now would be the time for BiPolar Betty
to give us something back for all our grief in the past.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walk Dunc
To score a run. Pujols grand-slam sounds all right to me.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind
Pujols will luckily lead off next inning.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

NY/BOS gamebreak
to Twins/Royals (!) and White Sox/Tigers...no Cards/Cubs.......
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

lil'dunc i love you man man
but you gotta stop doing that.
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 21, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Mother of God
I was kinda joking when I said how will we find a way to not score with runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs, but JEEZ!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Though you can't hear me
I am cussing them like they were Alec Baldwin's daughter.

by saladdin69 on Apr 21, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

One more reason I can't stand Preston
I'm sick of hearing about his speed.  The man is a bad baserunner.  Twice today he's failed to tag on very deep shots to the outfield and despite going on the pitch, he couldn't make it first-to-third on a single to the right side.

He should have been at third with the single and home with the fly.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 21, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

1 for 13, RBIs and 1 BB
per Baseball-Reference.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 runners stranded...
in 4 innings.

Marquis has pretty much sucked so far... Remember the summer of '04 when he was a ground ball machine and he couldn't lose? He was well-loved in Cardinal nation then.

Ah, memories...

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by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

4IP, 5 Hits, 2 HBP, 83 PITCHES!!!
and he's throwing a shutout.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Very easy to do against this club.
Three weeks in and no sign of anyone coming around on this team. How can an entire team be hitting this poorly for this long?

by deanj on Apr 21, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

More Girardi Tomfoolery
He just blamed Cedeno for getting picked up on the walk for "not peeking" to see whether it was a walk or not.

That's asinine.

Cedeno screwed up by sliding past the base. He'd've ended the inning if it was a strike-im-out throw-im-out since he overslid the base. Peeking to home plate would've only slowed him down and made the out easier.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh.
Jones must have forgotten to peek, too.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi...
should get back to managing. Too much chatter and too many cliches.
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by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
I've heard people analyze that the past day and it's not like you're looking back for a hit.  You're looking back for an umpire's call!!!  OF BALL FOUR!!! How in the hell are you supposed to know to look at the umpire at the exact moment he signals (if he signals at all) the walk?

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the first I've heard of that
Surprised there's any controversy about it. He slid off the bag, which was bad no matter the situation.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in Chicago so I've been listening to it for
almost 24 hours.  Piniella said it himself during his post-game press conference "The mistake made was he didn't look back for the call."

Whatever.  You try to do it fat man.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Santo just said:
"Jesus...ugh" on the strike-em out/throw-em out.

He's been doing stuff like that all day, more so than usually, but now it's getting ridiculous.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed
He drives me crazy... Does he realize they are winning by four runs?

by OCCardsFan on Apr 21, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they just talked about Eck
during NY/BOS...a good start...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously...
there's nothing here to see.  

Move along please.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Buck:
"I don't think anyone in baseball has ever squeezed as much out of what God gave him than David Eckstein".

That's just gross.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol
Didn't think of it that way at first
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

am i the only one
who thinks the cardinals have hit the ball harder than the cubs today?

by lboros on Apr 21, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

No
Pie saved their ass twice in center too.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No
A couple of the outs were infield hits and bloops, but a few of the outs have been smoked. Marquis hasn't been fooling anyone today.
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by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

aside from barrett,
I agree. we're on the receiving end of one of those Marquis-lets-the-ball-go-in-play-and-nothing-happens starts.

That Edmonds hit would've been a double if Soriano were still in center.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about a little MV3
Back-to-back-to-back here?

That'd get my juices going, even if we were still down 1.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Nevermind.
Bummer.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely pathetic.
this team isn't worth watching right now.

at least the NHL playoffs keep my interest.

by kindred on Apr 21, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

That was the first inning
we've had with no baserunners.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

So, he can't wear white sweat bands, but...
he can have a white undershirt stick out under his blue undershirt the exact same size as a sweat band?

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

while i have a sec
let me just needlessly remind everyone how much i can't stand jason marquis. shutting them out and doubling. i think i could puke. hey, puke. that's a funny word.

by erik on Apr 21, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHA
Next weekend...Boston at New York, Chicago at St. Louis...another Saturday of this fun stuff!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Wainwright vs...
Wade Miller or whoever they get to replace Wade Miller.

I like our chances there.

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by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to say it...
Reyes has pitched pretty well today.
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by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

1 big mistake
and a few little ones. agree with ya there.

by erik on Apr 21, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda
He got the one ball up to Barrett and that's about it.  Once again, he's not missing many bats, but he's hasn't pitched terribly.  Then again, giving up 4 runs no matter how you do it when you've got this offense behind you is trouble.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn't...
walked anyone and he's gotten a lot of ground balls. Barrett's HR wasn't exactly cheap, but it was wind aided and hit to the shortest part of the park. Cedeno's double was definitely cheap...

It should be about 4-4 in which case we'd be complementing Reyes for settling down and keeping it close.

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by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this should be our best last chance
pinch hitter
Eck
Duncan
Pujols

Here in the Top of the 7th.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I sense a comeback...
these are the Cubs after all.
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by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah but the Cubs are playing
the 2007 Cardinals
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

insert santo gurgle here
I am so tired of seeing Skippy up as the first pinch hitter. What a terrible bench.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

jesus
isn't it a rule that if you're a pinch hitter, you just can't look at a called third strike? isn't that something that's drilled into bench players' heads?

at least swing the bat.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 21, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright Albert, Duncan got on for you
use that wind and put one on the street.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Or that.
Now Rolen should find a gap.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunc 2-4 now
2 singles, 2 K's
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

if rolen walks
I'm feeling a Jim Edmonds LOOGY-buster.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

If Edmonds bats this inning
his only hope is an excuse me swing to left that gets caught in the wind and carried into the seats.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fountainhead?
okay, who in the pool had Rolen as an objectivist?

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

not me...
... but thinking about it, it makes sense. he's obviously got a working-man's mindset towards baseball, and he prefers family and the simple life. i can see it.

i just would've thought it was over his head.

by kindred on Apr 21, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You almost have to put Duncan in the cleanup
spot at this point.  No one behind Pujols has any pop left in their bat.  Swap Rolen and Duncan.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be a moot point if
Pujols was hitting at least .260

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it dusty baker or sweet lou
letting Marquis get up to 117 pitches?

I love chicago pitching management.

John Rodriguez for Right Field

by azruavatar on Apr 21, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

boy, scott rolen
sure is good at fouling pitches off this year.
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 21, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

wow, 10 men left on
According to Rooney on Gameday Audio.......

So it's definitely not the most original post, but our offense can't get that hit with RISP.

by goodymobb on Apr 21, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

The batting order the rest of the way
8th
Edmonds
Preston
Kennedy

9th
Bennett
Pinch hitter
Eckstein

Unless Tony does something silly like lift Duncan here.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't belive this
just tuned in. WTF??

betty is shutting us down? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

don't the Cards have any pride? how can they let this happen?

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 21, 2007 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Pride has nothing to do with it
They are an offense comprised of a few young talents and a bunch of guys who apparently the game has passed by already.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peace
I've been putting studying off all day.  We are not going to score 5 runs in 2 innings (hell, we can't even score that in 9)...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Mr. Thompson...
You just got taken yard by Ronny Cedeno.  Thanks for playing.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

brad
for me bringing in thompson is like throwing in the towel

by truemun12 on Apr 21, 2007 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at it this way
This isn't near as bad as our two 8-game losing streaks last year.

by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 21, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

First place vs last place
The 8 game losing streaks were cushioned by staying in 1st place.  I don't believe the offense was THIS pathetic during that stretch either.  The pitching was pretty bad, but the Cards would still score their fair share of runs.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love how Girardi told that story like
nobody had ever heard it before.  Kenny Albert was looking at him like..."yeah...and?"

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Girardi
is a pretty crappy commentator.

But he's still better than Mike Shannon.

by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 21, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Them's Fightin' Words
I have a good time listening to Mike Shannon. Sure, he botches the play-by-plays fairly often, but he cracks me up more.

For all the non-stop talking Girardi has done today, none of it was of any value, except for mockery fodder.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welp.........
I nearly puked everytime Marquis pitched last year, now to have him beat us is beyond nauseating. I don't think I've ever found a former Card to be so dispicable ever before.

by fuegophil on Apr 21, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, it's Wil Ohman
Gut check time.  How bad are we?  I would say terrible if we can't score 3 off of Ohman.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup
We're a pathetic offense.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

just what the cardinals needed
so freaking taguchi. This bench is my least favorite thing ever.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently Ron Santo was THERE the exact
moment Durocher decided to turn Fergie Jenkins into a starting pitcher.

Give me a break, Ron.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

kennedy:
warning track power today, and the wind is blowing out.

by kindred on Apr 21, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

jason fucking marquis
is going to shut us out. PATHETIC. they're going to have to make a move. the offense is a joke.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

hmm
  1. Send Schumaker down
  2. Bring Rodriguez up
Voila

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup
that'll solve everything.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could
go a long way.

I wouldn't mind a JRod/Wilson platoon in RF.

JRod v. RHP, P-Dub v. LHP.

by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 21, 2007 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless he can hit .280
and play all 8 positions, then it ain't gonna fix anything.  It's not like they're one guy away...they're 7 fielding a good team.

Don't get me wrong, I welcome JRod up to the team, he can't do any worse than what's up here right now.  i just don't see bringing up a platoon fixes much of anything.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the players hitting badly in small sample sizes
aren't where the team needs to upgrade. They need to upgrade in right, where schumaker and preston wilson will suck for all the rest of their days.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check the stats
P-Dub is actually good against LHP.

This is why I say JRod will be a huge upgrade against RHP.

by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 21, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's research out there
that suggests that splits v. lefties don't have a lot of predictive value. I don't think Wilson is going to keep hitting lefties when he looks as clueless as he has the last two years against righties.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry
righties' splits v. lefties, rather.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't remember who said it,
but during one of the losing streaks last year, someone on here said 07 would be the start of a few bad years for the Cards, if the owners didn't do anything about the offense. well, whoever you were. you were right. this is just flat pathetic. letting betty do this to them, unacceptable. heads should roll for this. i'm not talking firing Tony or Dave. but break up the team. get some new blood in there. get some freaking talented players for pete's sake. our bench is being overexposed. they wouldn't be so bad if they didn't play all the freakin time.

this is just too hard to watch. how could this have happened?  

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 21, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

they haven't hit all that badly this game,
in their defense, but otherwise I agree. That said, most of the people you would "break up" in such a scenario aren't the problem. Rolen isn't going to keep being the problem. It's too soon to assume Edmonds is done. The problems are at catcher and an outfield corner, where molina and schuguchi are cheap and ridiculously overvalued, which is why it's going to be tough to upgrade.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The catcher
is 2nd in every day players in OBP, 3rd in batting average and 3rd in OPS.

Let's be more concerned about our light hitting CF who is becoming a defensive liability (I never thought I'd have to say that), our slappy hitting Gold Glove 3rd basemen and our lead-off hitter who has an OBP of .314.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be more worried about them
when they post a .595 OPS over a full season, as opposed to a month. They're going to move toward the mean, but Molina's already there.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you believe Rolen or Edmonds
will move towards the mean?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really think Rolen is a true .190 hitter?
Do you really think Pujols is a true .190 hitter?

Do you really think Eckstein is a true .230 hitter?

Do you really think Kennedy is a true .190 hitter?

Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 21, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said anything about Pujols
He'll bounce back, that I have no doubt of.  Maybe not to 2006 Pujols, but certainly back to career averages.

You just don't know with Rolen or Eckstein.  Both have played the game hard and may have cut years off of their careers.  Rolen's coming off of serious injuries.  

I think both players are better than they are playing, but can you really say "Oh yeah, they'll bounce back" with certainty?  Pujols is in the prime of his career.  Rolen and Eck are in their age 32/33 seasons but with the way they play/injuries, it could be more like an age 34/35 (backside of career).

Adam Kennedy has come off of 2 pretty bad seasons, certainly down from his two career years 3/4 seasons ago.

Their careers could go either way at this point.  Outside of Rolen and Pujols, Eckstein and Kennedy aren't 'natural' talents in that you can expect them to just will their ways out of slumps, atleast I don't believe so.

I believe Rolen will be able to return to probably a 26 HR 85 RBI .280 BA but that can't be your cleanup hitter, not in 2007.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with Molina
but I do with Rolen.  Everybody keeps saying "Pujols will hit" and "Rolen will hit" like it's a forgone conclusion.  Well, I agree that Pujols will eventually figure it out, but what makes everyone so damn confident about Rolen?  

He was days late on Lilly's blistering 88 mph fastball yesterday and hasn't looked any better against anyone else.  The guy has had major injuries to both of his shoulders that have each required surgery, plus countless other injuries.  After a while, all that crap starts to add up.

Personally, I have zero faith in Scott Rolen and Jim Edmonds.  I'm still holding out hope on Kennedy and Eckstein to do something.  Wilson is what he is and (spoiler alert) Encarnacion won't do shit all year, Mulder won't be anything remotely good until maybe next year and Izzy will have to "take a break" sometime in early June.

Oh, and I'm afraid Carpenter won't be right all year either.

Hope I'm wrong and sorry about venting.  I'm just tired of waiting on Rolen.

by Big Red on Apr 21, 2007 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi
has obviously not done a whit of research. Wainwright has "struggled a bit" as a starter this year. He struggled in one game. Struggling is what Joe Girardi did his entire career.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 21, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

please
let this be Hancock's last game of the year.

by madding on Apr 21, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Only if he takes Thompson with him.........
Didn't like either one last year.......

So. If Reyes is the odd man out, assuming that Mulder and Carp return to action, how much could we count on him if he continues to struggle early in games?

by fuegophil on Apr 21, 2007 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah
Thompson needs to get sent down... yet again.  it seemed like he was a lot better after he got called back up later in the season, but maybe my memories of last season are glossed over at this point.

Hancock can get DFA'd for all I care.  like right now.

I'd rather see some young arms get a shot, even if they fail, than what is going on now.  and I don't even want to get started on the offense.

by madding on Apr 21, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being shut out by Marquis?
Does this qualify as one of the low points of the season?

That Wilson home run yesterday was a complete anomaly, I'm beginning to think. (did it really happen?)

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 21, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

fuck FOX
I LIVE IN ST LOUIS!!!!!!!!! I DONT CARE ABOUT FUCKING BOSTON-NEW YORK!!!!!! I DONT CARE IF ITS 6-0!!!!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 21, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Marquis
Player of the Game.  Great.  

by rw on Apr 21, 2007 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Give him credit
He didn't walk anyone, didn't give up any home runs.

117 pitches to get through seven innings, though...

And I'll pre-empt the inevitable reply-to-this—perhaps Marquis' wife could have shutdown the Cardinals offense today.

by liam on Apr 21, 2007 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno...
the first four innings he allowed a bunch of baserunners, they hit some balls hard, and he plunked a couple of guys. That looked like bad Jason from late 2006 to me...

Against a decent hitting team with neutral luck, he gives up 4 or 5 runs and goes 4 innings.

Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 21, 2007 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed
everytime they hit the ball hard, it went to center and hung in the air instead of going with the wind to left and leaving the park. Or they hit a liner right at somebody.

The Cubs weren't exactly putting on a defensive clinic either....

by nota bene on Apr 21, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

1-30 RISP
regression to the mean is bound to kick in at some point, but I'd like to see that happen sometime before 2008....

by nota bene on Apr 21, 2007 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

But hey....
tomorrow is Sunday!
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 21, 2007 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

so..
just got back from the game, walked down clark for 40 minutes without one northbound bus passing. I love public transportation in Chicago - you know the game is going to be getting out around then, yet you can't do anything about it? the only thing more pathetic than CTA management is the cardinals lineup rimshot!

No, seriously. Someone said it above, but Reyes pitched well except for the home run to Barrett. I sat directly left of home plate in the lower deck and had a great view of High/Low and break on his pitches. It seemed like his changeup was finally working pretty well, 76-77, as opposed to earlier in the season. Lots of swings and misses - kind of the opposite of, say, last year's Marquis. His fastballs were working too, 94 up in the zone, 90-91 low in the zone.

Plus, his pitch count was consistently about an inning ahead of Marquis. Is anyone else glad TLR didn't get saucy and leave Reyes in there for, say, 117 pitches?

by lookit on Apr 21, 2007 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
That certainly sucked. But at least they're throwing Wade Miller tomorrow. No bi-polarity there...he's just plain bad. If Wagonmaker's over his hiccups from last time, I think we'll still pull out a series win. Don't forget--they swept us twice last year and it didn't amount to a hill of beans.

by rockin redbird on Apr 21, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Dead last in MLB in runs scored
Averaging 2.94 runs/game.

Take out our two Sunday explosions?

Averaging exactly 2 runs/game.

Anemic offense.  But at least we rank T-10 in MLB in runs allowed...

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 21, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

OT: VEB Upgrades?
What happened to the upgrades?
Two-thirds of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Jim Edmonds

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Apr 21, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get this
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/8CD8BE4C4231BA1D862572C400207EDA ?OpenDocument

i just read that on stltoday.com. do the Cards actually think the reason the entire offense sucks is because Juan Ecarrrrraaasssssaaaddddaaaa (did i do that right?) is on the DL? are they serious? what's in the water in the STL? what kind of Kool-Aid are they tring to get us to drink? Juan ain't the problem. the problem is our bench is playing too much and being overexposed. everyone but Duncan is slumping at biblical porportions. Scottie seams to be playing hurt again. Jimmy deffinalty is. this is the 3rd season in a row Kennedy has been underperforming. it looks like the league has finally passed ECK by. we all know MOOKIE is a strikeout machine. nothing will change there. i agree with some of you that Albert will be back, who knows when. but he will be back. Jimmy&Scottie? well, I'm not so sure now that eather one of them will ever be half the players they once were.

i just don't understand why the Cards think having Juan back in the line up will help everyone else remember how to hit. what do they see that us fans are missing?  

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know either
although, he's the best defensive outfielder on the team (yeah, Jim I'm looking at you and your odd routes) and is probably the best hitter against lefties.

That and it will put the bench back together, that is if he's healthy when he comes back and hits at least .270.  Probably won't have much power, but getting on base and a timely hit here and there would help dramatically.

Wait, are we talking about Juan Enc!?!

Ugh.

Unfortunately, right now...this is all we have to look forward to in the way of help for the offense.

by Big Red on Apr 22, 2007 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Puh-LEEZ
You're saying Encarneasada is a better defensive outfielder than Jim Edmonds?

Umm...are you on crack?

Even while still gimpy Edmonds makes Juan's fielding look like amateur night.

Jimmy may not be able to hit a ball on a tee right now, but he's still better defensively than JuanCar.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Apr 22, 2007 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see some proof
Edmonds doesn't have an error this year because he doesn't get to half the balls he used to.  How many assists does he have?  I'd venture to say none since he doesn't even attempt to throw anyone out on anything.  If there is a runner at second and a ball hit up the middle, send him because Edmonds will jog over to it, crop hop and lollipop it to a cutoff man.

I thought he had surgery on the OTHER shoulder.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you catch pujols' post game comments?
i wish he would knock that off, grow up, and start plugging some gaps.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

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