hocus pocus
in the game thread yesterday, somebody called this the ugliest three-game sweep they've ever witnessed; aptly put. the box scores seem more fit for deadball-era 1907 baseball than the 2007 game --- a lotta singles and a whole lotta outs; each side mustered one home run in the three games. as la russa put it in the last line of the post's game recap, "[T]his better not be the best we play all year because it won't be good enough."
but in some ways, the inelegance of what the cardinals just accomplished in pittsburgh makes it all the more encouraging. they swept a series from the hungry, hot-starting pirates despite no innings from carpenter and a combined MV3 output of two runs and one rbi. the weather was dispiriting; so were carpenter's injury status (which only became known on the eve of the series), albert's struggles, the failing health of rolen and spiezio (and, it goes without saying, edmonds), and the season-long malaise of the offense. to grind out three wins under those circumstances --- well, this is a team that will have to take its wins however it can get them for a while. they weren't impressive, but they were well earned. the cards played with determination and with sharpness afield, a welcome contrast to the dull title-hangover stupor that seemed to grip them in the opening series. they appear to be back in play-a-hard-9 mode --- and a team with so little margin for error can't afford not to be.
i don't mean to downplay the cards' run-scoring problems, which are very real and probably only can be solved via a trade. it's true that rolen and pujols are bound to heat up at some point, but that doesn't really solve anything. those guys aren't machines; this won't be the last time they slump during the year. if the team's current output (2.89 runs/game) is all we can expect when those two aren't producing, then the team has problems.
but does 2.89 runs per game accurately reflect the cards' productivity to date? i would argue that it's an underrepresentation. the cardinals have lost an inordinately high number of guys on the bases this year, and that has artificially depressed their already meager runs-scored total. to start with, they've lost two runners on failed squeeze plays; two others were lost on the bases, and a third was nailed when he was put in motion on a 3-2 pitch --- strike-em-out, throw-em-out. which leads to the biggest distortion in the cards' run-scoring record to date: double plays. they have grounded into 12 this year and lined into 3 others, plus the lost runner on the 3-2 strikeout --- 16 double plays in 9 games, which extrapolates to 288 double plays over 162 games. last year the average offense suffered 151 double plays --- that's all types, including lineouts, strike-out-throw-outs, etc. at that rate, we'd expect the cardinals to have hit / run into about 9 double plays so far this year; using tangotiger's run expectancy matrix, we can guesstimate that the extra 7 dps have cost the cards between 4 and 5 runs.
another minor distortion: the cardinals have only reached base via error twice this season, a rate of 36 times per 162 games. given an average rate of opposition errors, they should have picked up a couple of extra baserunners and, we'd expect, another run.
it's still not such a pretty picture --- the "adjusted" production is only about 3.5 runs per game ---- but if 3.5 runs per game is what they can expect with albert, scotty, and jimmy all scuffling simultaneously, then maybe the situation's not quite as dire as it looks. to reiterate: i'm not trying to pretend that the offense doesn't have big problems. i'm not trying to make those problems disappear through statistical sleight of hand. i'm just trying to look at all the indicators and do as precise an accounting as possible. we can reasonably expect the team to score more runs in the future, no matter what rolen pujols and edmonds do.
one other way to look at this: compare the cards' overall offensive numbers to those of their opponents:
| AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | WHP | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | | | RUNS | |||
| cardinals | 300 | 72 | 15 | 1 | 4 | 27 | | | .240 | .302 | .337 | | | 26 | ||
| opponents | 297 | 68 | 9 | 1 | 6 | 38 | | | .229 | .312 | .327 | | | 32 |
"whp" means walks plus hit batters. the cards have had 6 fewer baserunners than their opponents (106-100) while amassing 4 more total bases; they're dead even in OPS. all other things being equal, you'd expect the runs-scored totals to come out about equal. but the cards have been outscored by .67 runs per game --- that's the cumulative effect of the skewed totals in double plays and lost baserunners.
the cards' big bats will eventually get going --- but then, the same is true of their opponents. we can't expect st louis pitchers to hold the opposition to that line all season. but opponents can't expect to keep turning two dps per game against the cardinals, while playing nearly error-free baseball. this offense is better than what it has shown so far.
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Outstanding article by D Goold
I was going to say the exact same thing
http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-bird-land/2007/04/o-woes-reconsidering-the-cardinals-core/
Bat
What are our trade options and who is available on the market?
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 12, 2007 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
How do you know that?
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 12, 2007 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
After a full year in which he struggled
I don't think we can expect much from Enc this year.
Juan E struggled b/c of the wrist?
Ah!
But Lee fractured his wrist. I know a wrist injury is a wrist injury, but they are two different scenarios.
Sorry
yeah
yar
by Birds on the Matt on Apr 12, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
juan's gonna come out killin. just you watch.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Apr 13, 2007 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Good question
Baldelli
Crawford
The past two seasons the O's have been looking to move Tejada, so maybe we could work something there. He is signed through 2009.
If the Braves stumble, Andrew Jones is in a contract year.
And there is always the question of whether the Red Soxs are so furstrated with Coco Crisp that we could get him cheap.
And you never know who else will come avalible during the season.
While I am not a huge fan of Jaun E. I also wonder whether he wouldn't be a better option (assuming he is healthy) than trading away our young pitching, which is what it will take to get most of these players.
Clearly if Reyes continues to struggle or the Cards fall out of the race, then Walt has some nice trading chips to work with (Reyes, Looper, Wells, in addition to the AAA guys (Cate, Narveson) and looking over the list of 2007 offensive free agents, only Andrew Jones would provide the additional eliet level offensive output the Card have been lacking since 2005 due to injury (Rolen and Edmonds).
Of the group above, I would love to see the Cards add Crawford, who would be a great #2 hitter, providing both the speed and the danger LaRussa loves. Baldelli is often injured, and would rather not make that deal. I also really like the idea of adding Tejada because I think the basic form of a deal could work (Reyes, Eckstine, one of our AA starters or our closer prospects), but I also wonder whether without assurances that the O's will be adding Texiera down the line, they won't back out of any deal just like they did last season with the Angels.
Other maybes
Undervalued by the team and currently riding pine is Jonny Gomes. He could be had for much less and is probably their best hitter.
Another guy and VEB cult favorite who might be available is Ryan Church. Robinson hated him. I believe Acta is much smarter, but the Nationals need pitching like no other team. Narvie, Kiesler, Thompson, even Hawksworth are probably all better right now than 3/5 of the Nats starting rotation. I bet we could pry Church away.
I'd rather go for an underappreciated player than trade the farm for a one season rental of a name like Burrell.
We don't really need a leftie bat who had bad splits, but Jenkins is available. The Crew also has a glut of outfielders, but doesn't really need to much...maybe some pen additions. Mench, Nix, Hart, Jenkins, Hall, Gwynn Jr., Gross.
I was
I hope we're the team.
by Toddius396 on Apr 12, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Gomes
I heard that Gomes is sub-par defensively in the outfield, though. Is he really bad, or just kinda bad? If he's just kinda bad, the Cards should go for it.
Forgetting about the most probable
I have also seen that it appears most people want Crawford more than anyone. If it were up to me, I want Andruw Jones. Now don't get me wrong, Crawford is a great player and would fit our team great. However, I think we need more of a power guy. We have enough single/double players on this roster. I want a guy who can step up to the plate and win a game with one swing. He would give Pujols great protection because if you don't want to pitch to Pujols, you get to pitch to Jones with runners on base with the fear of the homer every pitch. Plus he can play Center and we can move Edmonds to right, helping him stay healthier. Just like the Reds are doing with Griffey.
Will we get Jones, probably not. The Braves are really good and are in the race til the end. Will we get Dye? I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a cards jersey by the end of the year.
andruw
unless we're willing to go reyes/jay/dove/something - which still might not be enough - we should probably look elsewhere.
Crawford is like 24
May as well just look at viable options - not pie-in -the-sky trades.
You say that
Alright - ['ll play...
D. Young - off the field issues.
Upton - Defensive issues
Baldelli - most documented hammy puller in the history of baseball.
Gomes - in AAA (??)
Gomes might be the most viable option, since he's in the dog house.
That organization is so ripe with talent - It seems that they get incredible talent but do not know how to groom them for the show. It's pretty mind-boggling really.
Their hand is pretty much forced.
Juan E
There are not any stud outfielders available for trade right now anyway. Even the bottom tier teams are holding on to their talent at this point in the season because if a team like Phillies traded away Pat Burrell right now their fans would riot.
The best available OF help right now is Toronto's Reed Johnson. Not really an exciting option.
Honestly, if Juan Encarnacion can get healthy he is the best option for now. He hit leftys at .313 clip last year and if he hits 15HR and 70 RBI in the final five months of the season that would be OK from the #6 spot in the lineup. He's not great but he can help the team get to 88 wins... and that should be good enough.
For now I think the best thing is platoon Preston and J-Rod in RF and use Taguchi as a backup to JEd and Duncan.
Lets look at a Preston/JRod Platoon stats over the last 3 seasons.
Preston v LHP- 308 AB's, 18 HR, 58 RBI, .862OPS
JRod v RHP - 292 AB's, 6 HR, 38 RBI, .798OPS
TOTAL - 600 AB's, 24 HR, 96 RBI, .828OPS
Not too bad from that combo, but I might be dreaming since JRod is in AAA its not a very likely to happen.
by Born in 82 on Apr 12, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Runners In Scoring Position
Last year, they hit .271.
During the NY series, I was muttering to myself, "Why can't we get a timely hit?"
A fifty-point increase there would go a long way as well.
brew crew ball
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 12, 2007 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
If their bullpen pitches well
Bush turning into his comp
Errors are Forced and DP's Avoided
we're not hitting well enough to force errors or avoid dp's. at least you have to have a base runner before 2 outs to make a dp possible. on the other hand, if there was a ratio of dp's per base runner, we surely must be leading the league.
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 12, 2007 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
i disagree
3 line-drive double plays in 9 games is not a normal rate. it's much higher than normal.
i'm not saying that tough luck accounts for all the cards' woes; i'm saying it accounts for a portion. acknowledging that portion doesn't change the fact that the cards aren't hitting well; it just clarifies the extent of their hitting problems and paints a more accurate picture. the cards' 12 groundball double plays can be chalked up to poor hitting, but the 3 line-drive DPs can't.
i'll take the 3 hard ones
but watching apu match p-dub with infield singles is disheartening. check swing dribblers and 3 pitch K's are not just tough luck, it's ugly.
i was actually imagining that BABIP would show more of the hitters hitting into tough luck, but it was really only the three obvious lagards of the line-up.
with kennedy doing a junior spivey imitation, we have to hope for warmer weather to loosen up scotty's back, and wait for apu to get another batting lesson from his wife to restore the famous heel-toe step.
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 12, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This post bordered on
A J-Rod promotion seems like the only option, unless ryan church is available...
by Jonathan23 on Apr 12, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions
With the easily
There always seems to be a Pr2sTOn, Taguchi, Miles, etc. right around the corner for any pitcher in trouble.
I'm not sure I follow your
Well, you're right, it feels funny
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 12, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Sample size
Well
Given Miles and Gooch's (and Molina's)
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 12, 2007 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Given
My day is horrible so far
No doubt...
by rockin redbird on Apr 12, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Hocus Pocus
by ReplacementLevelPoster on Apr 12, 2007 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i attended a lecture by vonnegut
cat's cradle is my favorite vonnegut.
Vonnegut Opera
I think Bluebeard is my favorite, however it is hard to pick.
My girlfriend was
SH5 for me, by the way.
by Jonathan23 on Apr 12, 2007 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrison Bergeron
mine too.
by matt reeder on Apr 12, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Folks...
If they're still playing like this in late June and early July, then it'll be time to panic.
Why does Ducan not play every day?
First the easy ones
1b - Pujols
3b - Rolen
cf - Edmonds
ss - Eckstein
lf - Duncan. Duncan is clearly our best offensive player so far this year. He's even better against Lefties (4 hits, 8 AB). Watching him at the plate and he appears have to have a great eye for the strike zone, sure he strikes out some, but he has a 400 OBP. This would seem a no-brainer to me, but he sure does sit a lot.
2b - Why does Kennedy not get some more rest or something... he's struggled all year even, in spring training. Kennedy has a .167 OBP.
Miles isn't awesome offensively, but he's certainly better than a slumping Kennedy. How long is it appropriate to let someone hit .133 before you bench them?
c - I'd like to see Bennett given more opportunities behind the plate.
rf - Oh the choices:
Spiezio - Offensive star, but he can play so many positions, maybe its best to keep him as the secret weapon.
That leaves...
Taguchi - People don't like him, but who else will Tony play that's better?
Wilson -- I still don't like this guy... 1 extra base hit in 8 games for an outfielder might be the reason.
Schumaker - .143 OPB, no extra base hits, AAA!
If we just had 1 player that was slumping, it would be easier to just leave him in the line-up and let him work through it. But half our line-up right now is just not hitting well.
Stat of the day:
Chris Duncan: 4.7 pitches per plate appearance (leads the team)
by redbird2006in on Apr 12, 2007 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
on the mark
And, Bennett can provide value, both on his own, and as a way to keep Yadi fresh, hopefully, boosting Yadi's productivity, too.
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 12, 2007 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip = Gooch. Period.
Keep Gooch ship out Skip
by Born in 82 on Apr 12, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
J-ROD
what makes you say that?
How many CF's do we need?
Skip is a nice AAAA player who you can bring up in time of need but his presence is redundant (and its getting redundant saying that he is redundant).
Demote Skip and bring up JRod- here's the updated depth chart
LF- Duncan, Taguchi, Spezio
CF- Edmonds, Taguchi, Preston
RF- Preston/JRod platoon, Spezio
All the bases are covered defensively and you have a better offense.
by Born in 82 on Apr 12, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Given my limited knowledge
Granted, I'm only talking defense.
At his age, as much as I love the "Say Hey'
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 12, 2007 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't..
Spiezio v. RHP: .251/.363/.555
Spiezio v. LHP: .318/.372/.365
He wouldn't be a bad #2 guy against LHP, but he'd be a great #5 against RHP.
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 12, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
he might be an average fielder
i don't know enough of the numbers - and i'm at work and not looking them up - to figure out whether the added offense he would represent over kennedy/miles, which would be significant, would be enough to outweigh the downgrade in defense. i worry about making a move like that in the middle infield with such a groundball-centric pitching staff.
'cause our pitching is built
J-Rod's Stats
OF
G: 5
AB: 16
R: 4
H: 6
2b: 2
3b: 0
HR: 1
RBI: 2
TB: 11
BB: 3
SO: 3
OBP: .500
SLG: .688
AVG: .375
OPS: 1.188
Hard to find these type of numbers in the Cards' current line-up . . .
Gary Bennett
No
On a semi-related note, you can actually have a lower OBP than batting average, interestingly enough.
ddsd
ROE should count in OBP, in my opinion, because a hitters approach will often produce consistent ROE numbers. I don't think the hitter should be rewarded for the other teams lapse (though you could say that about a lot of non-error defensive mistakes), but I think its a reasonable indicator.
Just how lboros pointed out that Jeff Suppan consistently lets up more unearned runs, the unearned runs, over a long enough time, become a product of suppan, and nto just his defense.
by Jonathan23 on Apr 12, 2007 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought as
lboros, What if
I guess
That said, I'm still not convinced by the pitching staff . . . I keep waiting for Braden Looper to realize that he is Braden Looper--and Keisler's line the other night looked better than he pitched.
by SprfldCards on Apr 12, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I KNOW APU
gah
my eyes
THIS IS UPPER CASE
this is lower case
Let's use a healthy mix of each. k? thanks.
Lay off the caps lock...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
by bigcardsfan5 on Apr 13, 2007 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry all I just got home with my new key board,
if you take the Mets' 10 runs out
Would it be permissible
Re:
I've been saying the same thing for the last couple of years, but some people just can't, or won't, accept it.
what about
by Birds on the Matt on Apr 12, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
burrell's not a pipe dream
A big "if"?
I wonder if the Phillies would be reluctant to deal with us because of Jocketty fleecing them in the past. They probably have forgotten where Carlton came from by now...
Burrell is off to a good start this year
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2007 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
pat the bat
. . . incidentally, i much prefer the quirky lower case to the angry UPPERCASE . . .
by SprfldCards on Apr 12, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not that big of a stretch
He gets $13M this year and $14M next.
In 2004, the Cardinals traded for Larry Walker who was due:
2004 - $12.5 M
2005 - $12.5 M
2006 - $15 M (club option)
The Cardinals worked out the deal so that they had to pay:
2004 - $4.17M
2005 - $6.75M
2006 - $1M (buyout)
Is Pat Burrell Larry Walker? No. Could be be more productive than Walker was in 2005? Possibly. Walker was 37 and 38 when he was in St. Louis. He provided 26 HR/79 RBI and a .919 OPS in 182 games.
Pat Burell is only 30 during this season and in his worst season provided 24 HR/64 RBI in 146 games.
He's a solid player that in this current market, if the Cardinals could get the Phillies to eat $7 M over the remainder of the contract (before current year discounts for payments taken into account), Pat Burrell at $10 M a year for 25 HR/90 RBI doesn't seem too bad.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 12, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
wait...
anyways, why do we want Burrell? to platoon with Dunc/JED? sure, his power numbers are better than Enc's, but he's got triple the salary, his career OPS is .843. it has been higher the last two years, likely because his SLG is 50 points higher from playing in Citizen's Bank instead of Veterans, but the last two years at Veterans his OPS was .713 and .820, which is pretty similar to Juan's production (career .750 OPS). Enc's glove is better, and he can play all three OF positions. so you'd be replacing JED or Duncan in most games that Burrell plays; i don't think Enc would lose much playing time.
(you'd take some time away from P-Dub/Gooch/Skip, but the Cards aren't going to bring in Burrell's contract to start once a week.)
i just don't see how it makes sense, unless we send Encarnacion someplace else.
Outfield
by Bullet Bob Gibson on Apr 12, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
Griffey has...
The best answer is a deal with the Phillies for Lieber and Burrell. Pick up all the money and send any minor leaguer they want not named Colby or Jaime.
Junior
by SprfldCards on Apr 12, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't we avoid more of the problems
Black Holes and Cool Zones
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 12, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
Impact trades
Besides, I think it is just as likely that we'll be selling at the trade deadline.
Springfield Cards
by SprfldCards on Apr 12, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
OF 2 cents
I like another poster don't see a huge deal getting done this could be this years version of waiting for that big upgrade that never comes while they tinker with projects...Wilson,Weaver guys etc..
I'll hang up and listen...
stewart
thanks
by punchinjudy on Apr 12, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no trade
Grif
Belly
by Yadier on Apr 13, 2007 1:32 AM EDT reply actions
Just thought you guys might get a kick out of this
It came to my mind that you may not be able to read what i sent you earlier today...I sent...KC I'm not trying to be an ass but, it was papelbon and timlin, not papelbon and rivera, for halladay and zambrano. OH, and thanks for the nasty e-mail. The deal wasn't to my liking, so i declined it, no reason to get upset about it...To which you replied..."so is that a counter offer or are you done"?...
No, that was not a counter offer, if you can read the fine print, well, that's bold face print actually.(I doubt you could read it either way) I was just trying to explain my actions...No matter, either way, its effing fantasy baseball...Is it really that important to write me two nasty e-mails about this...If so, #1get a life...#2Try to find a girl. It might help you deal with some of the pent up rage you have...#3Learn something about baseball...it might be use full when you try to make some trades(i could give you some pointers).#4 You may want to take some sort of college credit lit. class, because apparently your high school doesn't teach you how to read deeply into a sentence(good luck with paragraphs). Anyways, that's all I've got for now...
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