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the p-d's morning elbow report cuts right to the chase: "Cardinals ace Chris Carpenter probably will remain disabled for the rest of this month after an examination Monday disclosed that he is suffering from what the club called moderate arthritis and a mild impingement of the right elbow." our community's own experts weigh in here.
Update [2007-4-10 12:5:28 by lboros]: will carroll just sent me a sneak preview of his remarks for Under the Knife, which haven't posted yet at Baseball Prospectus but ought to appear there shortly. the gist of his comments: surgery looms as a pretty likely outcome. he also warns that with nonsurgical treatment, there's a risk that carp alters his mechanics to favor the elbow --- and thereby re-injures his shoulder or causes some other, more serious injury.[end update]
teams can survive the temporary loss of an ace, but few teams are as dependent upon their ace as the cardinals are. the red sox, defending their championship in 2005, lost curt schilling for most of the first half --- he went to the dl after only 3 starts and stayed there until july 14, and when he returned he was the team's closer; didn't rejoin the rotation until august 25. like the cardinals, those red sox had suffered heavy free-agent defections (derek lowe and pedro martinez) from their title rotation; with schilling gone, they had to get by with tim wakefield, david wells, bronson arroyo, and matt clement. schilling's absence hurt --- they finished 11th in the league in era --- but they still won 95 games, thanks to a 910-run output from the offense.
these cards won't be scoring 5.5 runs a game, though, so the red sox comparison isn't very useful. another, more instructive recipe for survival was demonstrated by --- and in this crowd, i cite the following example with the utmost trepidation --- the 2004 chicago cubs, who managed to improve upon the record of the division-winning 2003 team despite losing both prior and wood for 10 starts apiece. their offense in 2004 wasn't much better (7th in the league in '04, vs 9th in 2003), but their secondary pitchers were much, much better --- matt clement pitched at the top of his range, zambrano emerged as ace material, and greg maddux was a gigantic improvement over the previous year's #5 starter, shawn estes. those cubs entered the final week of the season leading the wild-card race; if not for the collapse of the bullpen in that final week, they would have won 90+ games and made the playoffs --- and would have done so in a league much tougher than this year's nl, with five other teams above 90 wins.
in a best-case scenario, the cardinals would follow a recipe similar to this one (sans the late-september swoon), with the other four starters pitching at or near the top of their games to cover for carpenter during his absence. it's a bit early to start handicapping that prospect, given that we haven't even cycled through the rotation twice yet. but it's not an entirely vain hope. the cardinals themselves can point to a couple of happy precedents, 20 and 40 years ago, respectively. the '87 team lost john tudor to a broken leg after only 3 starts; he was out from april 17 until august 1. those cards were nearly as reliant on their ace as the current team is; the remainder of the rotation prominently featured a 2d-year pitcher (greg mathews), a rookie (joe magrane), and a wizened old codger (bob forsch). herzog tiptoed through the schedule with a couple of replacement pitchers (lee tunnel, tim conroy) and 6 decent starts from rickey horton; by the time tudor returned, the cardinals were 24 games over .500 and 5 games up on the division. the '87 cards had a great offense, which the '07 team doesn't; but then, they faced more difficult competition --- three divisional rivals topped 90 wins that season.
and of course there is the 1967 team, the original El Birdos, who lost their only proven pitcher, bob gibson, for nearly two months (also to a broken leg) and thrived in his absence. i wrote lovingly of that team in this post last june, when pujols went down. citing that entry:
i'm not saying this is likely, ok? it's far more likely the cardinals will struggle if carpenter's out for any significant length of time. and the aces of '67 and '87 suffered injuries to their legs; carp's injury is to his arm, a much scarier proposition.
but don't stop watching. not yet.
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i matched the rotation with the schedule to see where keisler's starts would fall. i realize that keisler's not guaranteed more than one start; if he bombs tonight, they may try brad thompson, matt ginter, or somebody else. so just read keisler as "replacement pitcher" in the ensuing discussion. just for the sake of argument, let's make the assumption that carpenter will be out for another four weeks; i realize his disablement might be shorter or longer, but let's just pretend. if they stick to a straight five-man rotation with no adjustments for off-days, here's how things line up:| 4/8 @hou wells |
4/9 @pgh looper |
4/10 @pgh keisler |
4/11 @pgh wainwright |
4/12 OFF |
4/13 mil reyes |
4/14 mil wells |
| 4/15 mil looper |
4/16 pgh keisler |
4/17 pgh wainwright |
4/18 @sf reyes |
4/19 @sf wells |
4/20 @chi looper |
4/21 @chi keisler |
| 4/22 @chi wainwright |
4/23 OFF |
4/24 cin reyes |
4/25 cin wells |
4/26 cin looper |
4/27 chi keisler |
4/28 chi wainwright |
| 4/29 chi reyes |
4/30 @mil wells |
5/1 @mil looper |
5/2 @mil keisler |
5/3 OFF |
5/4 hou wainwright |
5/5 hou reyes |
| 5/6 hou wells |
5/7 col looper |
5/8 col carpenter |
5/9 col wainwright |
5/10 OFF |
that's 5 starts by keisler/replacement guy, all against divisional foes: 2 against pittsburgh, 2 against the cubs, 1 against the brewers. now we'll adjust for the off days, skipping the #5 guy's turn wherever the schedule affords the opportunity:
| 4/8 @hou wells |
4/9 @pgh looper |
4/10 @pgh keisler |
4/11 @pgh wainwright |
4/12 OFF |
4/13 mil reyes |
4/14 mil wells |
| 4/15 mil looper |
4/16 pgh wainwright |
4/17 pgh keisler |
4/18 @sf reyes |
4/19 @sf wells |
4/20 @chi looper |
4/21 @chi wainwright |
| 4/22 @chi keisler |
4/23 OFF |
4/24 cin reyes |
4/25 cin wells |
4/26 cin looper |
4/27 chi wainwright |
4/28 chi keisler |
| 4/29 chi reyes |
4/30 @mil wells |
5/1 @mil looper |
5/2 @mil wainwright |
5/3 OFF |
5/4 hou reyes |
5/5 hou wells |
| 5/6 hou looper |
5/7 col wainright |
5/8 col carpenter |
5/9 col wainwright |
5/10 OFF |
we eliminate a start; keisler only pitches 4 times --- twice vs pittsburgh, twice vs the cubs. but man, those two starts vs the cubs stick out; you hate to see the cards throwing a bad pitcher two times against one of their chief rivals. but because of the way the off days fall, it's difficult to get keisler out of there. the only way i can figure it out (and i've ruled out anybody starting on short rest) would be the following: give keisler a couple of starts and see how he does. if it looks like he's trustworthy, go ahead and throw him vs the cubs; if not, then insert another replacement starter on april 19, in order to set up the rotation for optimal matchups. like so:
| 4/8 @hou wells |
4/9 @pgh looper |
4/10 @pgh keisler |
4/11 @pgh wainwright |
4/12 OFF |
4/13 mil reyes |
4/14 mil wells |
| 4/15 mil looper |
4/16 pgh wainwright |
4/17 pgh keisler |
4/18 @sf reyes |
4/19 @sf thompson |
4/20 @chi wells |
4/21 @chi looper |
| 4/22 @chi wainwright |
4/23 OFF |
4/24 cin reyes |
4/25 cin thompson |
4/26 cin wells |
4/27 chi looper |
4/28 chi wainwright |
| 4/29 chi reyes |
4/30 @mil thompson |
5/1 @mil wells |
5/2 @mil looper |
5/3 OFF |
5/4 hou wainwright |
5/5 hou reyes |
| 5/6 hou wells |
5/7 col looper |
5/8 col carpenter |
5/9 col wainwright |
5/10 OFF |
i used brad thompson as the 2d replacement starter in this example, but it could be anybody --- matt ginter, narveson, whoever you want. you still wind up with only five replacement-pitcher starts, but the replacement-level guy only pitches once against a strong contender (milwaukee on april 30); his other four starts come against the two weakest divisional teams (pittsburgh and cincinnati) and a so-so nl west team (giants). 14 of the 15 games against the cubs, astros, and brewers would be started by one of the top 4 starting pitchers. everybody gets plenty of rest --- most of the regular starters are pitching on 5 days' rest more often during this stretch than on the normal 4 days.
until more is known about carpenter's condition, they'll be flying in the dark vis-vis the rotation; it might be most sensible to simply go with the first option above and keep everybody on a normal cycle. tony could lose more than he gains by tinkering around and shuffling guys in and out of slots; it's still very early in the season to be playing matchups to the hilt.
as long as we're discussing replacement players: blake hawksworth made his triple A debut last night, and another key prospect (jaime garcia) debuted at double a. head over to erik's for the full prospect report.
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good stuff
by 636thestruggle on Apr 10, 2007 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
half full?
but it's very possible that they are hosed. i'll just wait until that really happens before i mourn it.
by lboros on Apr 10, 2007 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Larry,
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've found it helpful
so keep the info/opinions coming.
by lboros on Apr 10, 2007 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
by chuckb on Apr 10, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ceramic engineer
The glass is half-full
Pessimist:
The glass is half empty
Ceramic engineer:
There is 50% to much glass.
by Zubin on Apr 10, 2007 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to, too and two
by Zubin on Apr 10, 2007 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the glass half-full or empty?
She says it doesn't really matter
Pretty soon you're bound to spill it - Indigo Girls
Now that's a pessimist!
by Solanus on Apr 10, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with the Cubby matchups:
TLR won't like that matchup at all. Frankly, neither will I.
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The first thing I noticed
Option #3 seems like a pretty good option but I doubt Tony would use it b/c it seems to leave our bullpen short-handed in the middle of a period in which we play 10 games in 10 days. I guess you could send Keisler down after his start and call Jimenez or Falkenborg up until the start on 4/30 when you make a choice between Keisler or Thompson as the starter -- you could send down the RP you called up and recall Keisler. But to me that creates 2 more issues for the staff -- the unknown of having Thompson start and the unknown of having Jimenez or Falkenborg relieve. It may be the best course of action but I think Tony will stick w/ option #1.
by chuckb on Apr 10, 2007 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we could get
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I only want the fat guy
by gonzostl on Apr 10, 2007 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could however
by joker24 on Apr 10, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CA stoner
by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 10, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had like a 7 ERA before he came over last year
by joker24 on Apr 10, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a mistake, right?
"Adam Wainwright makes his second career start tonight."
by Don Zero on Apr 10, 2007 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has it right in another article:
by Don Zero on Apr 10, 2007 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing carpenter for 5 games...
Now... looking around for a replacement starter... let's use Ponson! Cards were 5-9 when he started, a pathetic .357.
Now, let's assume carp misses 5 starts, assuming that the replacement starter(s) work similar to Ponson did, we will win 1.4 fewer games using the replacement starter. No big deal. Okay well losing your ace is a big deal, but its not end-of-the world... it's not like we're suddenly the cubs or anything.
by redbird2006in on Apr 10, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gut check
Losing Carp for any period of time is a huge hit. But if the rest of the guys (especially you, offense - are you listening?) step up this team will be ok. We are blessed to be in a weak division where no one should run away from us.
Sure, Carp (and Instant Breakfast, to be fair - never thought I'd be saying that) is a loss. But losing meaningful time from Pujols, Mulder, Edmonds, Eckstein, Izzy - not to mention Marquis falling off the planet and Rolen disappearing in September - didn't eliminate us last year. We may not thrive, but I don't see a TLR-led team folding. This is the kind of challenge that I think Tony secretly loves - hopefully "Genius Tony" shows up a lot more than "Crazy Tony."
by wildman on Apr 10, 2007 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It stinks
by cardsrul on Apr 10, 2007 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wit and wisdom
--Mickey Rivers, baseball philosopher
by Youneverknow on Apr 10, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insurance
by Born in 82 on Apr 10, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing but I don't think
by sdrone on Apr 10, 2007 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
by Born in 82 on Apr 10, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long was jeff bagwell's?
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible Pitchers
by Molina4MVP on Apr 10, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How desperate are the Cardinals?
Jose Lima
Ismael Valdez
Paul Wilson
Pedro Astacio
and of course
Roger 'big money' Clemens.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 10, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna happen
I'd say they may try to swing a trade for Kim, but after Carp went on the DL, I guarantee the asking price doubled.
by JShell73 on Apr 10, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure
by sdesserman on Apr 10, 2007 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know what they could do
oh and how long b4 we here Ankiel mentioned in the rotation? the "best stuff in camp" thing that was posted about himin ST makes me think the rumors will start
by punchinjudy on Apr 10, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my solution
by chuckb on Apr 10, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe its just me
by jojo5492 on Apr 10, 2007 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa there.
I'm as pleased as anyone with his recent win, but let's please remember that it was against the Pirates. His ERA was 4.50 after his start against the Mets, which is probably a much more realistic gauge of his true effectiveness than this past start against the Pirates.
Now, if we are in mid-May with his ERA still at or below 3.00, then the "#2 Starter" annointing ceremonies can commence (complete with flashy gold stitching around his uniform number). Until then...it's still "The Grand Experiment".
by Mr Clean on Apr 10, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And your point is?
It's also why I said if his ERA is still below 3.00 come mid-May, then we can start relying on him as something other than an experimental starter.
by Mr Clean on Apr 10, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya know
I'm pretty excited about this year, despite carp's injury...
by SleepyCA on Apr 10, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
So am I now the only one who thinks it's still too soon to declare The Grand Experiment a glowing success?
I'm as optimistic about Looper's ST and first 2 starts as everyone else, but it appears everyone is simply throwing caution (and a valid statistical sample) to the wind and declaring him our de facto #2...
by Mr Clean on Apr 10, 2007 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the pen
by 10worldchamps on Apr 10, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a great update
by chuckb on Apr 10, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well now that
I don't like any of the options, really.
Carp's out awhile. Maybe until the ASB - esp. if he gets surgery, which IMO, is the probable end result here.
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bold prediction
obviously, losing carp is a hit, but the bigger hits need to come from the offense. (sorry, that was awful. i'm starting a new paragraph in shame.)
anyway, the point is, the offense will be what drives the success/failure of this team. the pitching will be good enough to get it done, even without carp. and with carp as the ace not only this year, but throughout the length of that contract, i'd really rather do whatever needs to get done to make sure he's really healthy than have him come back in four weeks as opposed to 12.
I agree with Silent Bob - with only Jones as a lefty in the Cubs lineup, I don't like Keisler facing them at all; this also counts Narveson out, and Hawksworth did poorly in his first start. Um, Thompson? ... Bullpen game?
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't rule out matt ginter
by lboros on Apr 10, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget...
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 10, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
by JMedwick on Apr 10, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASB = optimistic
PECOTA, for what it's worth, has him at 18 starts, 100 IP, 4.66 ERA.
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Projections
by joker24 on Apr 10, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the black hole that is RF
Last I heard he was still in Jupiter. I haven't heard any results or info about his progress.
(you know things are bad in the OF when we are wanting Juan in there)
can we cut So yet??
by Stan and Slaughter on Apr 10, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget about him
by sdrone on Apr 10, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but
by Stan and Slaughter on Apr 10, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keisler project
by MaskedMan on Apr 10, 2007 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh weather forecast....
by BleacherBum on Apr 10, 2007 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately, a rainout
but it necessitate an extra start somewhere down the road, and that starter is likely to be a replacement player called up from memphis or the bullpen . . . . . so it all comes out in the wash.
by lboros on Apr 10, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idea I've been kicking around
As long as Duncan takes 5.50 era pitchers and turns them to 4.80 guys, it hurts the valuation of any pitchers better than that, whether on the team or not.
Weaver's/Suppan's expected value over replacement probably didn't approached what they were paid, but their expected value over duncan replacement player didn't come close.
So losing free agents (AJ, Schmidty) or losing Aces (Carpenter) has a marginally lower detrimental effect because all pitchers have a lower VODRP than they do VORP.
Carpenters pitched a ton of innings over the last two years, anyway. Maybe some rest now is a blessing in disguise.
If carpenter sits for 1 or 2 months, we'll be fine! The lost VODRP isn't as bad as the lost VORP we are all worrying about.
by Jonathan23 on Apr 10, 2007 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let's go houston!
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually two former Cardinals are pitching
Let the first two batters up and now Papi is batting..
by birdsonthehat on Apr 10, 2007 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
betty
by birdsonthehat on Apr 10, 2007 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am sure
by BleacherBum on Apr 10, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
love it
love it love it love it love it
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chicago Cub Fans...
by rockin redbird on Apr 10, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHA
"wake me when this one is over. groundhog day? this is starting to look like groundhog year."
"THIS is the Jason Marquis National League hitters know and love so much. Ugh."
"It's over... The season is lost. Don't get your hopes up."
"we need to scored at least one in the first
if we dont.. im turning off gameday"
"Is it too early....to start the "Pie for Dontrelle" talk?"
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes!
by _pistol_ on Apr 10, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weavers
by OKCardsfan on Apr 10, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wish no ill will on jeff weaver
the same cannot be said of either jason marquis or the chicago cubs.
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody
by OKCardsfan on Apr 10, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gave up 4
by OKCardsfan on Apr 10, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver...
4 Runs in the First..
Maybe the Cardinals can pick him up again this year.
by birdsonthehat on Apr 10, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dream Weaver...
by raisin on Apr 10, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seven runs in the first
by MUTiger on Apr 10, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Carroll is reading my mind
I'd rather them do the surgery than try and tinker with it other ways. I know surgery isn't a guaranteed fix but this doesn't seem like something that can be rehab'd away with non-surgical options.
by azruavatar on Apr 10, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't know nearly enough
they just signed the guy to a huge long-term deal. they can't turn him into mulder by trying to PT him through something that really calls for surgery.
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the "go stupid approach"
by jjray on Apr 10, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...to a point.
Carp's got a definitive diagnosis. The only other option I could see is that if Carp went on his own to go see James Andrews in Birmingham for a second opinion.
That might be what'd I'd do if I was him.
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
second opinion
by jjray on Apr 10, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes azru, i think
by lboros on Apr 10, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In part I agree
by OKCardsfan on Apr 10, 2007 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apropos of nothing
by Don Zero on Apr 10, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a nickname: real name Adam
by joker24 on Apr 10, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cut Carp
Get it over with. Carp out for 2 months is better than not-healthy Carp.
On another topic, isn't it funny how the Cubbie fans are already to say their season is over because their dud starters have given them 2 bad starts, and we're possibly losing our ace for what could be half the season, and we still have faith?
It's good to be a Cards fan.
by glamberson on Apr 10, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Decimated Rotation
Weaver's era after the first was at 45.00, and since he only gave up 3 more in the second, it went down to a more reasonable 31.50!! Having JD Drew contribute with a SF and 2 run hr was amusing too.
I say just bring up the young hurlers, and let's see if one sticks. And let'em throw without teaching them about seams. One of them has the magic to be a big story, letting carp come back easy, and mulder taking the season off. We just have to find out which one.
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 10, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even without Carp,
To continue demonstrating glamberson's point about optimism, I still think things will work out, as long as "working out" means staying near .500 and getting hot for a month or two later in the year.
by TMiles on Apr 10, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
adam everett is AWFUL
so happy.
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
everett does struggle offensively...
Actually - not unlike our catcher last year.
by _pistol_ on Apr 10, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant have an OBP/OPS sinkhole at SS anymore
He's a great defensive SS. But he's basically worthless at the plate.
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, which is
And it's what bugs me about the Cardinal attitude about catchers, i.e., that it doesn't matter how badly they hit. During the Matheny years, it seemed like they literally stopped even trying to upgrade the offense at that position. That's not a slam against Matheny or Molina, but our catchers have been killing our lineup for 6-7 years now.
Credit where due, however: Everett did hit the GW HR yesterday to beat the Cubbies.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 10, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its hard to put a value on catchers' defense
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you can find an Ivan Rodriguez
by Valatan on Apr 10, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've really liked
by Don Zero on Apr 10, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everett is beyond great at SS
His range at SS is really just phenomenal Although it would be nice to have a mix of OPS and good defense, if you have to pick a cipher for your lineup Everett is a good choice.
by azruavatar on Apr 10, 2007 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Cesar Izturis was suppposed to
by BTown Birds fan on Apr 10, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard
I probably heard that from Cubs broadcasters on WGN or Comcast Sports Net, who also say that the Cardinals haven't improved, like the Cubs have, by signing a pitcher that St. Louis cut.
by Don Zero on Apr 10, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis
No surprise to Cardinal fans.
by bgh on Apr 10, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marquis Quality
Nonetheless, his era is still better than Zambrano, Eyre, Howry, Guzman, & Miller so he shouldn't being getting too much grief as he heads to the bench. Half his pitches were strikes, and he got his ground-outs too. Looks like they got what they paid for!
As long as Marquis keeps this up, Carp can take his time, and we should still have the cubbies in the rear mirror.
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 10, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Carp is to miss 2 months with surgery
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 10, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm off to the game now
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 10, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BCB posters are very angry
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go over to A League of Her Own for this gem...
and "pass over" Marquis's spot in the rotation this week. I believe I saw ram's blood on his doorpost."
by: Thelonious Drunk @ Tue Apr 10, 2007
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Lidge is out as closer
by Pujols4Pres on Apr 10, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this was already announced
by nycbirdo on Apr 10, 2007 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I've been busy
by Pujols4Pres on Apr 10, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now...
by Alxfritz on Apr 10, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 87 team lost john tudor to a broken leg . . .
And no, I'm not bitter. :-) Tudor probably is, though.
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Apr 10, 2007 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wasn't that also the only team
by enoscountry on Apr 10, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello fellow Cardinal Fans...
by moser34 on Apr 10, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome moser
by Valatan on Apr 10, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen scratched
by silent_bob on Apr 10, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So who plays 3rd Base?
by Hollywood15 on Apr 10, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just posted on the game thread
by OCCardsFan on Apr 10, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles, I guess
by liam on Apr 10, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me...
by mattysha on Apr 10, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yadi keeps improving at the dish
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 10, 2007 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs



















