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cards vs twins today; you can get the live audio via mlb.com, or track the action on gameday. kip wells, troy cate, randy keisler, ricardo rincon, kelvin jimenez, and brian falkenborg are slated to throw (hat tip, Birdland).

VEBber bdief was at yesterday's ballgame in dodgertown and liked what he saw. he promises another report from jupiter next monday, after the cards play the braves.

memphis redbirds broadcaster david kelly dropped in for a chat at the cards' FanHome chat room; transcript is up here.

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the post-dispatch surveys the cardinal payroll this morning. there's very little difference between it and the most recent roster matrix posted here, back on january 12. our matrix had the payroll at $95m, and the p-d puts it at $96m, with the $1m difference mostly explained by preston wilson (who hadn't signed as of jan 12). there are a few other differences; most of the 2d-year players are getting slightly more than the minimum (whereas i have them all at $380K), and the post's ledger includes skip schumaker (mine has him on the minor-league payroll). they're negligible discrepancies --- only a few hundred K, or less than 1 pct of the total payroll.

in both accountings, $8m in deferred money (owed to pujols, edmonds, and rolen) is counted as present-year payroll, even though the checks won't be cut until next decade or beyond. mr dewitt reckons that in-season acquisitions could push the payroll as high as $105m, which means that a) walter has $9m left to play with, and b) if they'd signed jeff weaver, there wouldn't be any slack left in the budget; any midseason acquisition would have to be balanced out by a salary dump of some kind.

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a little over a week ago, Replacement Level Yankees Weblog put out another preliminary set of simulations using the Diamond Mind (hereinafter DM) computer game, this time driven by ZIPS player projections. you might recall that the CHONE-based sims, which were posted in late december, forecast a successful 2007 for our boys: another division crown and an nl-best 90-72 record. but some significant roster changes have happened since then; the cards added mulder and preston wilson and ryan franklin, and other important transactions (cliff floyd signed with the cubs; adam laroche got traded for mike gonzalez; etc) took place elsewhere in the national league. so how'd the new, improved simulations turn out? pretty much the same as the earlier ones:
w l runs runs
agnst
pct
won div
pct
playoff
stl 90 72 772 679 55 68
chi 88 74 790 727 35 54
mil 78 84 748 779 8 10
hou 74 88 747 811 1 3
pit 73 89 712 791 1 1
cin 73 89 739 814 1 0

this exercise correctly predicted 6 of last year's 8 playoff teams, and back in 2004 a similar DM test was virtually alone in forecasting the cardinals' division title. so it's not completely meaningless that the cardinals keep coming out on top in the 2007 simulations. not that meaningful, either; they're only make-believe seasons, so the playoff tickets aren't being printed just yet. just the same, i'd rather see 'em do well in the sims than not.

st louis qualified for the playoffs 2/3 of the time in both the ZIPS-based and CHONE-based sims --- in both instances, they're the nl team most likely to make the postseason.

also in both instances, the sim-cards' pitchers allowed the fewest runs in baseball by a wide margin. PECOTA, you may recall, likes the cards' pitching staff, too, but isn't so crazy about the offense. DM/ZIPS doesn't think so much of the bats, either: st louis ranks just 9th in the nl in sim-scoring. (they were tied for 8th in DM/CHONE.) since pitching wins, i guess it's nice that the computers like our pitching; but then, the computers forecast pitching far less accurately than they forecast hitting. . . . . last year's preseason DM sims had the cards at 771 runs scored (off by 10) and 649 runs allowed (off by 113).

like i said, they're not printing playoff tickets just yet.

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Interesting projections
There are some things that are really interesting:  the Cards project to have the best NL record?  Maybe the division is the weakest and that helps to explain it.  The Mets' pitching should be down but I think it's best explained by the surprisingly poor records for Milwaukee and Houston in particular.  Wow! 74-88.  I think they'll be 4th, but not that bad.  I'm also surprised by the spread between Chicago and Milwaukee -- I think all 4 could be within 8-10 games of one another.

I also noticed that the Cards' high win total when running the seasons was 108 (How is that gonna happen?) and its low is 82.  That's just one game worse than last year's relatively poor win total.  I gather they ran the seasons 100 times so for 82 to be the worst out of 100 isn't bad at all.  Boston, Philly, and the Angels all had its worst seasons below .500, for example.  

A few other observations:  I'm surprised by the White Sox' poor showing and that Boston's didn't come up better -- their pitching could be downright salty if they get the pen figured out.  And the NL West should be really exciting.  Finally, the Phils should challenge the Mets in the East -- these projections show it will be close.

by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 9:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

108 wins
The table is tricky to read, but the final 4 columns of data are the simulation results for the 1st place team in the division, regardless of who it was.  All we know is that in one of the simulations the first place team ended up with 108 wins.

The main measure of dispersion reported for the Cardinals is the "one standard deviation" range for wins, which runs from 84 to 97.  Assuming a normal distribution, that means there is only an 8% chance the Cardinals will have a record as bad as last year (less than 84 wins).  And there's an 8% chance that they'll end up with 97 or more wins.  I'll take it.

Nice to see us projected to have the best record in the NL.

by ncgostl on Mar 8, 2007 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

payroll
As I read the Post story, the projection for this season tops out closer to $100 million, not $105 million:

From the story . . .
Internal projections prepared by the club estimate this year's season-ending payroll at $100.7 million, according to club sources.

Story did say that earlier this winter DeWitt "allowed" the payroll could get to $105 million, but as things stand it seems as if they have revised that number downward. Maybe they would be willing to go higher if the right talent became available during the season.

by Youneverknow on Mar 8, 2007 9:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I took
that first sentence to be describing what the club projects will happen before any big moves are made. The difference between the 95.9 mln and the 100.7 mln, as I read it, includes such things the cost of bringing up Brendan Ryan when Eckstein goes on the DL. I think it also must include the incentives the club is likely to have to pay people like Mulder.

by DCGreg on Mar 8, 2007 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buehrle on Chicago Radio
Not sure if it was a Freudian slip, but Mark Buehrle was on WMVP in Chicago yesterday and was asked about the weather down in Arizona. I'm paraphrasing here, but he said that it was high 50's, low 60's & all the things being equal he'd rather be back in St. Louis or Chicago.

Now, I'm going to need to read a few more consumer reports before I'm sold on Buehrle, but I found the comment interesting in that he mentioned StL before his current place of business. Combining that with the quote earlier this offseason from him or his wife, where he/she said that St. Louis wasn't even an option regarding future plans, it seems he needs a little help performing damage control for his own statements. (I don't know if his comments raised any eyebrows here in town, just caught a snippet driving in to work.)

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 8, 2007 10:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Native
Granted, he grew up in St. Louis.  Growing up there, too, I often say St. Louis before Kansas City - even though I have lived in KC for nearly 3 years at this point.

stlfan

by stlfan on Mar 8, 2007 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He lives in St Louis
And was probably here until three weeks ago. He said that, all things being equal,  he'd rather be back home. That's understandable.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 8, 2007 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buerhle
said that St. Louis wasn't even an option regarding future plans

 Really? Not even an option?
I'd love to hear an explanation for this comment.  Was he just trying to appease his Chicago fans. I know it fired up alot of ChiSox fans seeing him wear a Cardinals hat at the WS.  

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Cards, but I doubt it'll ever happen. His price tag will be formidable. Also, the Cardinals track record w/ top-tier FA pitchers has been dismal.

by _pistol_ on Mar 8, 2007 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Word selection
He may be a "top-dollar" FA pitcher.  Unless things change markedly, however, he will not be a "top-tier" FA pitcher.

by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good point
But for many GM's, availability is the fundamental driver of perception.  You're right though. As far as Buehrle's perception goes, alot will depend on this year.  Long term, he's probably not as bad as last year, nor as good as 05.  This volatility is why I agree w/ Jock's refusal to give FA SP's long term deals.  
The contracts signed this off-season will most likely ham-string some GM's down the road...
Zito, Schmidt, and to a lesser degree Suppan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 8, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Schmidt signed one of the most GM-friendly
deals of the year.  It was only a three year deal.  It's nearly impossible to get three year deals for an ace-type pitcher in free agency.  The money isn't so bad when it's short term it's the long-term cough Zito cough deals that hamstring organizations.

by azruavatar on Mar 8, 2007 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but....
...The whole argument that future dollars are worth less than present dollars does come into blay in long term deals.  Over 6 years Zito's contract, considering a future value discount, could be worth considerably less than the market rate for pitchers of his ability.

by BigJawnMize on Mar 8, 2007 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get these projections being down
on our offense.  A majority of them expect a nice rebound from edmonds, in addition to improvements from left field and catcher.  I don't know how they can, on those assumptions, find us scoring fewer than 781 runs.  

Are they projecting major down time for Pujols or Rolen?  It boggles my mind!

by Jonathan23 on Mar 8, 2007 10:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

$88 million?
Do they have official figures yet for every team's opening day payroll? I'd really like to know where the Cards stand in comparison. Judging by last year's numbers, I'd guess very much in the middle. Now don't get me wrong, I'm glad the Cards didn't spend money just to spend it, but $88 million is not a lot of money for a team in the Cardinals situation.

(I don't count the deferred money as I think Dewitt & co. is insulting our intelligence by counting that)

by themang on Mar 8, 2007 10:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

deferred money
"(I don't count the deferred money as I think Dewitt & co. is insulting our intelligence by counting that)"

Are you serious?  Perhaps deferred amounts should be discounted at some appropriate rate to account for the time value of the money, but it certainly has to be counted.

by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
I realize that for accounting purposes it should be counted (it is owed money), but for the purpose of telling the fans how much they're spending this season including deferred money seems misleading. When are they paying this money? Is it over a certain time period? For instance, do they owe Albert $6 million (I have no idea what they owe Albert) in deferred over the life of his current contract? Or is that $6 million deferred from the '07 season alone?

I guess I'm just confused by the numbers. If someone knows for sure, I'm all ears.

by themang on Mar 8, 2007 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the budget
Almost the entire payroll of the Cards is financed anyway.  The ownership's payments for this year's salaries will be spread over the next 5, 10, 15 years, and this year they will be paying on the loans they took out to pay the '03, '04, '05, etc. teams.  Deferred salary is exactly the same thing, except instead of getting a loan from a financial institution they are getting it from their player.  

These arrangements don't suggest that the owners aren't committed to the team.  Instead, they constitute a bet by the ownership that the team is going to grow in value fast enough to cover the interest on their loans and still turn a profit.  I would be more concerned if the team stopped deferring, because that would suggest that they were done growing the business (and with it, presumably, the payroll).

by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really understand
The payroll is $88 million this year before deferments. We can all agree on that. That's how much they're paying the players in 2007. I don't think how they finance it matters whatsoever in this discussion. The only thing in question, in my opinion, is do they "pay" (i.e. set aside) the deferments this year or later. To me, if they don't set aside the money, then they can't honestly claim that to be a part of the player payroll.

And I never said they weren't committed to the team. I'm merely suggesting their misrepresenting the numbers to embellish their finanical committment to the 2007 Cardinals.

by themang on Mar 8, 2007 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

their=they're
Wow. That was some bad grammar. I'm truly ashamed of myself.

by themang on Mar 8, 2007 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The point is ...
that payments on payrolls are extremely manipulable in any number of ways.  If they didn't defer they would pay Pujols the deferred money now, discounted to present value, and finance the payment over the next 10 years.  The result is pretty much the same thing - rather than pay X dollars now, they play something more than X in the future.

What really matters is the obligation the team undertakes, not how they finance that obligation.  Deferrals are obligations undertaken to field this years team.

by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I see...
I guess what bugs me though is they ask these players to defer money for the good of the team and then add that deferred money onto the payroll. The owners get all the credit for a $96 million payroll, but 3 players are essentially paying $8 million in a no interest loan which they will receive the principal back starting 13 years from now. To me, that means it's an $88 million payroll.

Whatever. It is what it is.

by themang on Mar 8, 2007 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I agree in part ...
I always wonder why no one even tries to discount deferrals.  As you say, they are no-interest loans, which are pretty sweet deals for the team.  We could fight about the appropriate discount rate, but it would certainly be more accurate to apply some discount.

Taking your numbers ($8M deferred 13 years) and plugging them into a present value calculator I found online with various discount rates, I get these numbers:

Discount ------ Present Value
%3              $5.5M
%5              $4.2M
%10             $2.3M

If someone wanted to go through and tally up all the deferrals a you could come up with a reduced payroll that reflects the "real costs" of this year's team.  Of course, it would all depend on what discount rate you picked.  But almost any rate would be better than arbitrarily including or not including them, which is what most sports reporting seems to do.

by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's actually not that good
The team has to pay taxes on the interest, so the present value is a bit higher than your table.  
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Mar 8, 2007 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tis true ...
Ironically, I wrote this post while sitting in a course on Federal Income Tax.

by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?
I don't doubt that they finance the payroll over the short term, most businesses of any size do this.  I wonder what the advantage is of finacing the commitment over 5 to 10 years.  I understand that there is a time value of money, so I guess a lot of this depends on the rate that they recieve.

by BigJawnMize on Mar 8, 2007 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As of 2004
This was true as of 2004, at any rate.

The rationale was, as I said, that they are expecting the team to grow in value and profitability.  In that sense, its just like any other business loan - grow the business and pay off the loan with the increased revenue.  They may have gotten less aggressive in recent years, I suppose.

by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Then,
you need to count previously deferred money that's being paid back now.

by Valatan on Mar 8, 2007 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine
But I have no idea how much it would be. Maybe they still pay Mac $1 million every year. I have no clue.

But what confuses me is that according to the Post's article, the Cards owe Pujols $3 million in deferred money. When is that paid? How is it paid? I mean they could be paying him 300k each year starting 2010. So why add the full amount now? Why not add the yearly payments to later payrolls to reflect what they are really spending on a year to year basis?

I'll admit it: I don't necessarily trust the ownership. It seems to me that they are doing the accounting a certain way to make themselves look like they have a competitive payroll when, in fact, the actual payroll isn't that high.

by themang on Mar 8, 2007 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the best site for salary info
is cot's contracts; here's the cardinals' page. scroll down to pujols, and you'll find that he's deferring a total of $12m between this year and 2010. the deferred money will be paid between 2020 and 2029 at $1.2m per year.

by lboros on Mar 8, 2007 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to believe that the money is
being set aside now for payment later.

You'd end up in situations where you're selling the team and the buyer says "hey, you signed contracts and owe $20m in deferred money.  Where the heck is it?"

by sdrone on Mar 8, 2007 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough
Makes sense in an accounting way, but it still seems misleading to claim to have a $96 million payroll while only actually spending $88 million this year on the players. I guess that's my only beef. But Valatan was right: I have no idea what they are currently paying out in past deferred money.

by themang on Mar 8, 2007 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are setting it aside
it would certainly count this year.

by sdrone on Mar 8, 2007 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Major League teams don't work like that
Just ask the Diamondbacks.  They had loads and loads of deferred money that came due in the last couple years, and they consequently had to drop their payroll into the ground...and they still went into huge debt.  Debt: they didn't have the money.  Sure I'm sure a smart team would have some kind of safety fund or something, but the Cardinals aren't counting up 12 million, putting it in a bank vault waiting for 2029.  It's a pay-as-you-have-to system, and I agree with the original here in that deferred money that will be paid from 2020-2029 should not be counted against this year's payroll.  That said, all deferred money that we'll be paying this year should be counted so it won't make as big a difference, though I have no idea where you are going to find that information about past contracts.
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Mar 8, 2007 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have only found a couple
for example: we are paying Woody Williams $500k this year. Otherwise, it's pretty inconsequential (as that $500k is, really). Mark McGwire had 25% of his $30M contract deferred at a "reasonable interest rate" but as far as I remember, he left that money on the table when he walked away. It is paid in such amounts that it rarely has any real effect on the current year payroll anyhow, and of course, over a much longer timespan.

But seriously, if you are going to be deferring money then it should be counted against the year that it is paid in. Otherwise: what is the fucking point? It's disingenuous and absurd to pay something over the course of 2020-2029 or something, and count it as a lump sum in 2007. Ridiculous, in a 1,673 ways.

by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Diamondbacks are a great example BUT
IMO, that's bad management.  If I"m looking at the Diamondbacks, I set it aside/buy an annuity/whatever in order to avoid the collapse down the road.

But this is just my opinion; I have no idea how teams handle it, if they all handle it the same, or anything like that.

by sdrone on Mar 8, 2007 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

payroll projection
Long time reader, first time posting.

I just wanted to say I thought it kind of interesting/possibly telling that So Taguchi wasn't listed in the payroll projection in the Post today.

Even though I read that he's off to a slow start this spring, I hope his omission from the list doesn't pan out to be true....

by SmashedAtoms on Mar 8, 2007 10:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

nice catch
they did forget so. i wouldn't read anything into it, though --- la russa loves the gooch. he'll get every benefit of the doubt.

i even have read that, with the cards' ss and 2b banged up, taguchi's value is enhanced by his ability to play 2b; he played there in japan and was considered a very good defender. it was suggested that maybe so would play a few spring innings on the infield.

by lboros on Mar 8, 2007 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tag at second?
That would be an incredible turn of events, if Taguchi got the at-bats at second vs. left handers.  He would definitely be a more valuable 2b than he is a coner OF.  

by Jonathan23 on Mar 8, 2007 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gooch @ 2b
That strikes me as an interesting option. He definitely has the stature of a middle IF-er  -moreso than OF. Has he ever played the infield, professionally or otherwise?  

by _pistol_ on Mar 8, 2007 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep
2B in japan. It was mentioned briefly last year when  Eck went out and Miles moved to short. I'd be happy with them giving him a shot there. Why the heck not?
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 8, 2007 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Miles will get those ABs
He's going to play anyway and, if I remember correctly, he's much better vs. lefties than righties.  It makes for a nice lefty-righty situation w/ Kennedy.

by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Gooch at the keystone
he has used his other glove twice since becoming a St. Louis Cardinal. Once last year on Sept. 8th as a sub for Belly-ard, and once on Sept. 12, 2003, replacing Fernando Vina. Looks like he has a putout and an assist to his credit there.

by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we are to believe most of these projections...
(which I do) and our Birds are in store for a lot of 4-3, or 3-2 wins this year, then will we see a lot more hit and runs and suicide squeezes?  (To paraphrase a great movie) Old time baseball, like John McGraw, Christy Matthewson, and Eddie Shore.  Man, I am getting pumped up just thinking about this.

by sjoshi on Mar 8, 2007 11:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

With TLR in charge?
I think so.  

I'm also expecting a new league record in 'number of double switches'

by Valatan on Mar 8, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Deferred money...
The deferred money probably costs something this year. If, for example, they owe Pujols 3 million in deferred money and it's payable in 2017, they would purchase an annuity this year for a discounted price that guarantees a payment of 3 million in ten years. An annuity that has a payout of this amount would cost a significant amount less. So, for deferred money they're probably spending at least half of that amount this year.

Instead of taking 8 million from the numbers printed in the PD, more realistically we'd take 4, as they're probably spending at least that much for an annuity.

We do this sort of thing all the time in legal settlements; the defendant doesn't have to pay as much and the plaintiff gets more than originally thought. Everybody wins.

by lawman3842 on Mar 8, 2007 12:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Deferred money
It seems to me that it shouldn't matter when they account for it (this year or later) as long as they only do it once.  If they want to calculate this year's payroll by including deferred money, that's fine.  They just shouldn't count it again five years or ten years from now by saying they cannot sign a new free agent because they are still paying Pujols and Edmonds.

by rjg001 on Mar 8, 2007 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kip Wells isn't doing very well at all today
playing with a lot of fire.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

scatter 'em
5 hits in 2 innings... no runs.  feeling groovy.

by Tudor 85 on Mar 8, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Moonman
"He weighs 150 lbs after drinking buttermilk for about a week.  You remember the days when you drank buttermilk, don't ya John?  Oh, and that was a buttermilk swing right there.  He looked like he'd drunk a bunch of buttermilk cause he was all wet."

In mid-season form already.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 1:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The kid pitching for the Twins
Gameday shows Scott Baker having thrown 20 pitches, all for strikes, in 3 innings.

That can't be possible, right? Especially after allowing three hits and striking out four.

Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Believe it, dude
Just went through the pitch-by-pitch data, which confirm he threw 20 pitches in three innings. Eight Cardinals put the ball in play on the first pitch.
Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This comes up every day
in ST Gameday does not correctly count pitches. Everyone gets 1 pitch for a hit/out, 3 pitches for a K, and 4 pitches for a walk. Those aren't their actual pitchcounts.

by TICY on Mar 8, 2007 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My mistake, then
I did find it odd that everything was either first-pitch swinging or whiffing on three pitches.

Can't trust technology, I guess.

Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keis for success
Nice... Randy Keisler just struck out the side.
Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's looked awfully good thus far
I don't think he'll make the rotation but he seems to be setting him self up as the first callup from Memphis.  

Anyone know what kind of velocity he gets?

by azruavatar on Mar 8, 2007 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Info on Keisler
Yeah he has sounded tough this preseason. Does anybody have any info on him? Starter or relief? WHat kind of stuff does he have, does he have any chance of being successful in the majors? Does he have a spot on this team possibly?

by stl3bagger on Mar 8, 2007 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wells BA against
If I read Gameday right, Wells faced 12 batters and gave up 6 hits, an opposition batting average of .500.

It's a smell sample size, but an ugly one.....

by madridbend on Mar 8, 2007 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

SMALL sample size
Freudian slip, I guess

by madridbend on Mar 8, 2007 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Smelly, indeed
Yeah, that's one ugly 3.0 IP line.

Let's hope he does better next outing.

He is, after all, slated as our "#2 pitcher" and the only starter aside from Carp that is "guaranteed" his spot.  <cough cough>

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 8, 2007 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but
he's throwing strikes and, obviously, keeping the ball down.  How many runs should he have given up?  Maybe 1 as he got a 1-2-3 DP.  If he throws strikes and keeps the ball down, sure a lot of balls will find holes.  But those will be singles and teams have a hard time putting together 5 and 6 run games when they're all singles.  The law of averages will also catch up and he'll hit some at people and there will be DP's.  To me, if he was walking people or giving up homers or even fly ball outs, it would be a lot more worrisome.

by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly,
that's why his FIP is about 2.2 at this point.

by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh.
We don't know what Walt's working with him on.  If he's throwing nothing but sinkers low in the zone, then the hitters are essentially just sitting on one or two pitches and cranking the ball, for example.  You approach an AB in spring training in a very different way when you are assured a spot on the team.

by Valatan on Mar 8, 2007 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rodriguez
If he keeps hitting like this, I don't see how he can possibly be sent to Memphis.  The question is: where does the roster spot come from?

by DCGreg on Mar 8, 2007 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

APu has been thrown out twice this season trying
to extend a single into a double.  I'm sure Tony is thrilled.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gooch
is having a terrible spring. I hope Johnney Lode wins his roster spot

by TICY on Mar 8, 2007 2:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Edgar V Gonzalez
I've been seeing his name every day, but looking at the stats page I was amazed- he has 2 HR in only 6 AB?  I thought he was playing more than that.

Also 3 BB and 2 K's, for a TTO rating of 77.7%!

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Mar 8, 2007 3:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kelvin Jimenez and Randy Keisler....
Your two ST pitching surprises.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 8, 2007 3:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He truly was
'Josh 06'
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not so good news
that Kiney is out for the season with ligament surgury, but

It leaves a spot open for someone to step up and grab a spot in the pen.

by JMedwick on Mar 8, 2007 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Looper experiment makes
less sense to me all the time.  Moving both Looper and Wainwright to the rotation doesn't add up to me -- maybe Keisler or Narveson will win the starting spot and Looper will go back to being a middle reliever.

by azruavatar on Mar 8, 2007 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya, was just thinking
the silver lining might be we won't lose Narvie to waivers.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2007 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why
why is everyone so high on narvie? He really hasn't done that well this spring.

by Birds on the Matt on Mar 8, 2007 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like him
When I saw him last year, he was aggressively throwing fastballs around the knees. He doesn't need to be platooned. He can start or do long relief. Gets K's at a respectable rate.

He's pretty much Darren Oliver at 1/5 the cost and it would be a pisser to lose him to another team for nothing.

by liam on Mar 8, 2007 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well
that totally stinks. my money is on wonderbrad to step up in the setup role.

by erik on Mar 8, 2007 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me, too
this is bad news.  Let's go Brad!

by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Set-up man?
So who fills that role? Russ Springer?

by 10worldchamps on Mar 8, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lots of options
thompson, springer, TJ, rincon

by Birds on the Matt on Mar 8, 2007 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jimenez or Keisler!
If they keep up their Spring Training performance, throw one of them into the role.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 8, 2007 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thompson or Springer, I agree
Springer's got to get healthy and pitching, though.  It wouldn't surprise me if they kept 3 lefties either.

by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

battle
Springer has the experience but Thompson has pitched well this spring (but it is early). That leaves Hancock as the righty in the seventh or earlier. Rincon is intriguing as well. LaRussa sounds miffed at him, but this may force a change in his thinking.

by 10worldchamps on Mar 8, 2007 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bozied....
6-13 this spring and making a little noise huh?...wonder if he can play anywhere but 1st base? Anyone know?  And anyone else get that little lift in hearing that Kip Wells threw 3 shutout innings today?.. nice to hear that, even in a meaningless spring training game.

by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He also gave up 6 hits
And was helped by a double play, caught stealing, and I think a pick off.

I'm not too excited by that spring line.

by OCCardsFan on Mar 8, 2007 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I only saw.
that he had the 3 shut-out innings....but three innings of shut out ball still works for me at this point.

by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned this upthread
but, in stats that matter, Wells is having a nice spring so far. In five innings, sure, but there are no aspersions to be cast in a Three True Outcomes sense; his BB, K, and HR look great: 4/1 and 0. I could care less about some base hits, they are flukier than our stellar defense (the DPs).

by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Defense
That's something I've been happily surprised with: our infield defense looks awfully good between Wagonmaker and Kip Dynamite. Lots of singles and GB, but no runs.

by liam on Mar 8, 2007 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DirecTV
I just called and switched from Cable to DirecTV starting this Sat. If you are not aware, MLB just signed an Exclusive deal with them for the MLB.baseball package starting this year. I actually got a really good deal with them, and quick instalation...if you want to watch the Cards this year and you live out of town... I suggest you act quickly....the lady I talked to said they were starting to get a ton of calls, and it could soon take a while to get instalation.

by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, the deal has not been agreed upon
CNN-Money believes it will fall through due to FCC pressure.  There is a full FCC investigation into it and it appears that the cable providers offered just as much as Direct TV did.

I hope you didn't end up switching over for nothing.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It won't matter to me...
as I had Time/Warner here in Los Angeles and was going to switch anyway as I'm not a huge fan of them cutting the NFL Network and their overall service.

by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You were right
the link is now up on SI.com
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is only exclusive if In Demand chooses
to not match the offer by opening day:

Under the deal, DirecTV will be the exclusive carrier of the Extra Innings package if Dish Network and In Demand, before the start of the season, do not match the rates and requirements to carry Extra Innings and the MLB Channel at the same level of commitment that DirecTV has agreed to in the deal. Baseball officials would not publicly disclose what terms that DirecTV has agreed to and what terms Dish and In Demand would have to meet.

The likelihood of that happening, though, is slim.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting ...
Great info Hardcore...thanks for find all that out.

by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

According to Maury Brown
the deal is done.
The deal to make Extra Innings exclusively available on DirecTV will be announced today. Below is the press release on the matter:

Major League Baseball and DIRECTV will make a major joint announcement on a 4:15 P.M. (EST) conference call this afternoon. Baseball Commissioner Allan H. (Bud) Selig, Major League Baseball President & Chief Operating Officer Bob DuPuy, MLB Executive Vice President for Business Tim Brosnan and DIRECTV President & Chief Executive Officer Chase Carey will be among the representatives who will be available on the call.

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=846&Itemid=52

by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good old bud screws us again
thanks for yet again giving baseball another black eye bud. for all the good he's done for our beloved sport. he sure does his damnest to undermine all that good. no wonder he is the butt of so many jokes. he has always been an embarrasment to all fans of the game. every single action as a commish has shown he cares nothing about his players, or his fans. everything he has done is to pad the pockets of the owners. i wish he'd just quit now before he does any more damage. bud dones not even care that he's now deprived a dying man of one his only joy's left in life. that is getting to watch his beloved home town Cardinals every night during the season.

my only question is, why does bud hate baseball's core fans so much?

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Mar 8, 2007 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

According to MLB.com
InDemand and Dish Network have until March 31st, 2007 to match the deal.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right
that's an old link I posted. I was skimming the thread and working on news I read this morning, in fact, that link that you replied to previously has that information included. Thanks for replying, I may not have looked at http://www.bizofbaseball.com/ for another day or so again.

Just for everyone's information, at the top of that link are the stories to the possible non-exclusivity, and John Kerry's response.

by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

per si.com
Dish Network is (duh!) not happy w/ the new deal.

Dish Network assailed the new agreement. "When our customers are suddenly cut off from watching their favorite sports teams on TV," the company said in a statement, "it is time to ask whether the market is working. This is both anti-competitive and anti-consumer."

It may be premature, but this doesn't sound like a company that is predisposed to matching the deal MLB got from Direct TV.  Sounds to me like it'll be exclusively on Direct TV this year.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_donovan/03/08/directtv/index.html

by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 10:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EX Cards today
I was at a Nationals-Astros game today and was treated to watching Jason Simontacchi start for the Nationals. He went 4 innings. Later Ray King came in and within his first 3 pitches gave up a double and a home run. I really don't miss him any more. Never did to begin with.

by bdief on Mar 8, 2007 10:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ex-Cards
The Simo-man's line was:

 IP  H  R  ER  HR  BB  SO   ERA
4.0  4  3   3   1   0   4  6.75

He did pick up the Win today, however, since the Nats won the game 12-5.  His line so far in ST:

G  GS   IP  H  R  ER  HR  BB  SO   ERA
2   2  7.0  9  5   5   1   1   4  6.43

I also noticed that the Nationals unconditionally released Tony Womack today, as well.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 9, 2007 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ray King
The guy did great work for us in his first year here, but whenever I hear any mention of him, I think immediately of this.

That woman must have been a gas.

by liam on Mar 9, 2007 2:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The ultimate Ray King experience
I busted a gut the first time I read this off CardNilly.

4:05 pm - Decide to start throwing some pitches.
4:08 pm - You're drenched in sweat so you head back to the clubhouse.

Spot on!

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 9, 2007 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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