sim as it ever was
cards vs twins today; you can get the live audio via mlb.com, or track the action on gameday. kip wells, troy cate, randy keisler, ricardo rincon, kelvin jimenez, and brian falkenborg are slated to throw (hat tip, Birdland).
VEBber bdief was at yesterday's ballgame in dodgertown and liked what he saw. he promises another report from jupiter next monday, after the cards play the braves.
memphis redbirds broadcaster david kelly dropped in for a chat at the cards' FanHome chat room; transcript is up here.
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the post-dispatch surveys the cardinal payroll this morning. there's very little difference between it and the most recent roster matrix posted here, back on january 12. our matrix had the payroll at $95m, and the p-d puts it at $96m, with the $1m difference mostly explained by preston wilson (who hadn't signed as of jan 12). there are a few other differences; most of the 2d-year players are getting slightly more than the minimum (whereas i have them all at $380K), and the post's ledger includes skip schumaker (mine has him on the minor-league payroll). they're negligible discrepancies --- only a few hundred K, or less than 1 pct of the total payroll.in both accountings, $8m in deferred money (owed to pujols, edmonds, and rolen) is counted as present-year payroll, even though the checks won't be cut until next decade or beyond. mr dewitt reckons that in-season acquisitions could push the payroll as high as $105m, which means that a) walter has $9m left to play with, and b) if they'd signed jeff weaver, there wouldn't be any slack left in the budget; any midseason acquisition would have to be balanced out by a salary dump of some kind.
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a little over a week ago, Replacement Level Yankees Weblog put out another preliminary set of simulations using the Diamond Mind (hereinafter DM) computer game, this time driven by ZIPS player projections. you might recall that the CHONE-based sims, which were posted in late december, forecast a successful 2007 for our boys: another division crown and an nl-best 90-72 record. but some significant roster changes have happened since then; the cards added mulder and preston wilson and ryan franklin, and other important transactions (cliff floyd signed with the cubs; adam laroche got traded for mike gonzalez; etc) took place elsewhere in the national league. so how'd the new, improved simulations turn out? pretty much the same as the earlier ones:| w | l | runs | runs agnst |
pct won div |
pct playoff |
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| stl | 90 | 72 | 772 | 679 | 55 | 68 |
| chi | 88 | 74 | 790 | 727 | 35 | 54 |
| mil | 78 | 84 | 748 | 779 | 8 | 10 |
| hou | 74 | 88 | 747 | 811 | 1 | 3 |
| pit | 73 | 89 | 712 | 791 | 1 | 1 |
| cin | 73 | 89 | 739 | 814 | 1 | 0 |
this exercise correctly predicted 6 of last year's 8 playoff teams, and back in 2004 a similar DM test was virtually alone in forecasting the cardinals' division title. so it's not completely meaningless that the cardinals keep coming out on top in the 2007 simulations. not that meaningful, either; they're only make-believe seasons, so the playoff tickets aren't being printed just yet. just the same, i'd rather see 'em do well in the sims than not.
st louis qualified for the playoffs 2/3 of the time in both the ZIPS-based and CHONE-based sims --- in both instances, they're the nl team most likely to make the postseason.
also in both instances, the sim-cards' pitchers allowed the fewest runs in baseball by a wide margin. PECOTA, you may recall, likes the cards' pitching staff, too, but isn't so crazy about the offense. DM/ZIPS doesn't think so much of the bats, either: st louis ranks just 9th in the nl in sim-scoring. (they were tied for 8th in DM/CHONE.) since pitching wins, i guess it's nice that the computers like our pitching; but then, the computers forecast pitching far less accurately than they forecast hitting. . . . . last year's preseason DM sims had the cards at 771 runs scored (off by 10) and 649 runs allowed (off by 113).
like i said, they're not printing playoff tickets just yet.
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Interesting projections
I also noticed that the Cards' high win total when running the seasons was 108 (How is that gonna happen?) and its low is 82. That's just one game worse than last year's relatively poor win total. I gather they ran the seasons 100 times so for 82 to be the worst out of 100 isn't bad at all. Boston, Philly, and the Angels all had its worst seasons below .500, for example.
A few other observations: I'm surprised by the White Sox' poor showing and that Boston's didn't come up better -- their pitching could be downright salty if they get the pen figured out. And the NL West should be really exciting. Finally, the Phils should challenge the Mets in the East -- these projections show it will be close.
by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
108 wins
The main measure of dispersion reported for the Cardinals is the "one standard deviation" range for wins, which runs from 84 to 97. Assuming a normal distribution, that means there is only an 8% chance the Cardinals will have a record as bad as last year (less than 84 wins). And there's an 8% chance that they'll end up with 97 or more wins. I'll take it.
Nice to see us projected to have the best record in the NL.
by ncgostl on Mar 8, 2007 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
payroll
From the story . . .
Internal projections prepared by the club estimate this year's season-ending payroll at $100.7 million, according to club sources.
Story did say that earlier this winter DeWitt "allowed" the payroll could get to $105 million, but as things stand it seems as if they have revised that number downward. Maybe they would be willing to go higher if the right talent became available during the season.
by Youneverknow on Mar 8, 2007 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I took
by DCGreg on Mar 8, 2007 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buehrle on Chicago Radio
Now, I'm going to need to read a few more consumer reports before I'm sold on Buehrle, but I found the comment interesting in that he mentioned StL before his current place of business. Combining that with the quote earlier this offseason from him or his wife, where he/she said that St. Louis wasn't even an option regarding future plans, it seems he needs a little help performing damage control for his own statements. (I don't know if his comments raised any eyebrows here in town, just caught a snippet driving in to work.)
by Solanus on Mar 8, 2007 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He lives in St Louis
by Alxfritz on Mar 8, 2007 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buerhle
Really? Not even an option?
I'd love to hear an explanation for this comment. Was he just trying to appease his Chicago fans. I know it fired up alot of ChiSox fans seeing him wear a Cardinals hat at the WS.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Cards, but I doubt it'll ever happen. His price tag will be formidable. Also, the Cardinals track record w/ top-tier FA pitchers has been dismal.
by _pistol_ on Mar 8, 2007 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word selection
by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
The contracts signed this off-season will most likely ham-string some GM's down the road...
Zito, Schmidt, and to a lesser degree Suppan.
by _pistol_ on Mar 8, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schmidt signed one of the most GM-friendly
by azruavatar on Mar 8, 2007 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but....
by BigJawnMize on Mar 8, 2007 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get these projections being down
Are they projecting major down time for Pujols or Rolen? It boggles my mind!
by Jonathan23 on Mar 8, 2007 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
$88 million?
(I don't count the deferred money as I think Dewitt & co. is insulting our intelligence by counting that)
by themang on Mar 8, 2007 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
deferred money
Are you serious? Perhaps deferred amounts should be discounted at some appropriate rate to account for the time value of the money, but it certainly has to be counted.
by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I guess I'm just confused by the numbers. If someone knows for sure, I'm all ears.
by themang on Mar 8, 2007 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the budget
These arrangements don't suggest that the owners aren't committed to the team. Instead, they constitute a bet by the ownership that the team is going to grow in value fast enough to cover the interest on their loans and still turn a profit. I would be more concerned if the team stopped deferring, because that would suggest that they were done growing the business (and with it, presumably, the payroll).
by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really understand
And I never said they weren't committed to the team. I'm merely suggesting their misrepresenting the numbers to embellish their finanical committment to the 2007 Cardinals.
by themang on Mar 8, 2007 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
their=they're
by themang on Mar 8, 2007 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is ...
What really matters is the obligation the team undertakes, not how they finance that obligation. Deferrals are obligations undertaken to field this years team.
by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see...
Whatever. It is what it is.
by themang on Mar 8, 2007 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I agree in part ...
Taking your numbers ($8M deferred 13 years) and plugging them into a present value calculator I found online with various discount rates, I get these numbers:
Discount ------ Present Value
%3 $5.5M
%5 $4.2M
%10 $2.3M
If someone wanted to go through and tally up all the deferrals a you could come up with a reduced payroll that reflects the "real costs" of this year's team. Of course, it would all depend on what discount rate you picked. But almost any rate would be better than arbitrarily including or not including them, which is what most sports reporting seems to do.
by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's actually not that good
by SleepyCA on Mar 8, 2007 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tis true ...
by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
by BigJawnMize on Mar 8, 2007 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As of 2004
The rationale was, as I said, that they are expecting the team to grow in value and profitability. In that sense, its just like any other business loan - grow the business and pay off the loan with the increased revenue. They may have gotten less aggressive in recent years, I suppose.
by Leo on Mar 8, 2007 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then,
by Valatan on Mar 8, 2007 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
But what confuses me is that according to the Post's article, the Cards owe Pujols $3 million in deferred money. When is that paid? How is it paid? I mean they could be paying him 300k each year starting 2010. So why add the full amount now? Why not add the yearly payments to later payrolls to reflect what they are really spending on a year to year basis?
I'll admit it: I don't necessarily trust the ownership. It seems to me that they are doing the accounting a certain way to make themselves look like they have a competitive payroll when, in fact, the actual payroll isn't that high.
by themang on Mar 8, 2007 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the best site for salary info
by lboros on Mar 8, 2007 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe that the money is
You'd end up in situations where you're selling the team and the buyer says "hey, you signed contracts and owe $20m in deferred money. Where the heck is it?"
by sdrone on Mar 8, 2007 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
by themang on Mar 8, 2007 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are setting it aside
by sdrone on Mar 8, 2007 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Major League teams don't work like that
by joker24 on Mar 8, 2007 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have only found a couple
But seriously, if you are going to be deferring money then it should be counted against the year that it is paid in. Otherwise: what is the fucking point? It's disingenuous and absurd to pay something over the course of 2020-2029 or something, and count it as a lump sum in 2007. Ridiculous, in a 1,673 ways.
by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Diamondbacks are a great example BUT
But this is just my opinion; I have no idea how teams handle it, if they all handle it the same, or anything like that.
by sdrone on Mar 8, 2007 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
payroll projection
I just wanted to say I thought it kind of interesting/possibly telling that So Taguchi wasn't listed in the payroll projection in the Post today.
Even though I read that he's off to a slow start this spring, I hope his omission from the list doesn't pan out to be true....
by SmashedAtoms on Mar 8, 2007 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
nice catch
i even have read that, with the cards' ss and 2b banged up, taguchi's value is enhanced by his ability to play 2b; he played there in japan and was considered a very good defender. it was suggested that maybe so would play a few spring innings on the infield.
by lboros on Mar 8, 2007 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tag at second?
by Jonathan23 on Mar 8, 2007 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gooch @ 2b
by _pistol_ on Mar 8, 2007 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles will get those ABs
by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Gooch at the keystone
by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we are to believe most of these projections...
by sjoshi on Mar 8, 2007 11:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
With TLR in charge?
I'm also expecting a new league record in 'number of double switches'
by Valatan on Mar 8, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Deferred money...
Instead of taking 8 million from the numbers printed in the PD, more realistically we'd take 4, as they're probably spending at least that much for an annuity.
We do this sort of thing all the time in legal settlements; the defendant doesn't have to pay as much and the plaintiff gets more than originally thought. Everybody wins.
by lawman3842 on Mar 8, 2007 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Deferred money
by rjg001 on Mar 8, 2007 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kip Wells isn't doing very well at all today
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
scatter 'em
by Tudor 85 on Mar 8, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Moonman
In mid-season form already.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The kid pitching for the Twins
That can't be possible, right? Especially after allowing three hits and striking out four.
by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Believe it, dude
by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This comes up every day
by TICY on Mar 8, 2007 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake, then
Can't trust technology, I guess.
by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Say...... This Yadier Molina fellar
by Yadier on Mar 8, 2007 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keis for success
by 26thMan on Mar 8, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's looked awfully good thus far
Anyone know what kind of velocity he gets?
by azruavatar on Mar 8, 2007 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Info on Keisler
by stl3bagger on Mar 8, 2007 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wells BA against
It's a smell sample size, but an ugly one.....
by madridbend on Mar 8, 2007 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SMALL sample size
by madridbend on Mar 8, 2007 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smelly, indeed
Let's hope he does better next outing.
He is, after all, slated as our "#2 pitcher" and the only starter aside from Carp that is "guaranteed" his spot. <cough cough>
by Mr Clean on Mar 8, 2007 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
by Valatan on Mar 8, 2007 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodriguez
by DCGreg on Mar 8, 2007 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds or Enc will start the season on the DL.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
APu has been thrown out twice this season trying
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gooch
by TICY on Mar 8, 2007 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Edgar V Gonzalez
Also 3 BB and 2 K's, for a TTO rating of 77.7%!
by SleepyCA on Mar 8, 2007 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kelvin Jimenez and Randy Keisler....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 8, 2007 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
poop
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/8C13047E2247C5CF86257298006F65BF ?OpenDocument
:(
by Birds on the Matt on Mar 8, 2007 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He truly was
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so good news
It leaves a spot open for someone to step up and grab a spot in the pen.
by JMedwick on Mar 8, 2007 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Looper experiment makes
by azruavatar on Mar 8, 2007 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya, was just thinking
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2007 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why
by Birds on the Matt on Mar 8, 2007 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like him
He's pretty much Darren Oliver at 1/5 the cost and it would be a pisser to lose him to another team for nothing.
by liam on Mar 8, 2007 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Set-up man?
by 10worldchamps on Mar 8, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lots of options
by Birds on the Matt on Mar 8, 2007 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimenez or Keisler!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 8, 2007 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thompson or Springer, I agree
by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
battle
by 10worldchamps on Mar 8, 2007 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bozied....
by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He also gave up 6 hits
I'm not too excited by that spring line.
by OCCardsFan on Mar 8, 2007 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I only saw.
by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned this upthread
by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DirecTV
by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, the deal has not been agreed upon
I hope you didn't end up switching over for nothing.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It won't matter to me...
by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You were right
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?... sure seems like a done deal here...
by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is only exclusive if In Demand chooses
Under the deal, DirecTV will be the exclusive carrier of the Extra Innings package if Dish Network and In Demand, before the start of the season, do not match the rates and requirements to carry Extra Innings and the MLB Channel at the same level of commitment that DirecTV has agreed to in the deal. Baseball officials would not publicly disclose what terms that DirecTV has agreed to and what terms Dish and In Demand would have to meet.
The likelihood of that happening, though, is slim.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting ...
by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2007 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Maury Brown
The deal to make Extra Innings exclusively available on DirecTV will be announced today. Below is the press release on the matter:Major League Baseball and DIRECTV will make a major joint announcement on a 4:15 P.M. (EST) conference call this afternoon. Baseball Commissioner Allan H. (Bud) Selig, Major League Baseball President & Chief Operating Officer Bob DuPuy, MLB Executive Vice President for Business Tim Brosnan and DIRECTV President & Chief Executive Officer Chase Carey will be among the representatives who will be available on the call.
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=846&Itemid=52
by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good old bud screws us again
my only question is, why does bud hate baseball's core fans so much?
by gdm426 on Mar 8, 2007 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to MLB.com
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2007 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Just for everyone's information, at the top of that link are the stories to the possible non-exclusivity, and John Kerry's response.
by plh903 on Mar 8, 2007 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was for the deal...
by lawman3842 on Mar 9, 2007 3:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
per si.com
Dish Network assailed the new agreement. "When our customers are suddenly cut off from watching their favorite sports teams on TV," the company said in a statement, "it is time to ask whether the market is working. This is both anti-competitive and anti-consumer."
It may be premature, but this doesn't sound like a company that is predisposed to matching the deal MLB got from Direct TV. Sounds to me like it'll be exclusively on Direct TV this year.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_donovan/03/08/directtv/index.html
by chuckb on Mar 8, 2007 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EX Cards today
by bdief on Mar 8, 2007 10:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ex-Cards
IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA
4.0 4 3 3 1 0 4 6.75
He did pick up the Win today, however, since the Nats won the game 12-5. His line so far in ST:
G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA
2 2 7.0 9 5 5 1 1 4 6.43
I also noticed that the Nationals unconditionally released Tony Womack today, as well.
by Mr Clean on Mar 9, 2007 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray King
That woman must have been a gas.
by liam on Mar 9, 2007 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The ultimate Ray King experience
4:05 pm - Decide to start throwing some pitches.
4:08 pm - You're drenched in sweat so you head back to the clubhouse.
Spot on!
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