community projection results: yadi and izzy
you can check out chris carpenter's changeup-in-progress today on mlb.tv; the cardinals are playing the orioles. here's the gameday link. Update [2007-3-6 13:44:13 by lboros]: i got bad info; the game's not on tv, but you can hear it via mlb audio. [end update]
a few other items:
- The Hardball Times is putting out its first preseason preview --- a companion to the Hardball Times Annual, with all-new content. ordering information is here. the meat of the book consists of 3-year projections for current players (including top minor leaguers) and team-by-team previews --- quick-hiting capsules formatted along the lines of bill james' old "team in a box" summaries. i wrote the st louis preview; here's a teaser:
Most Underrated Player: Albert Pujols. You want to talk intangibles and situational intelligence? Pujols ended a close game last year with a cross-diamond peg to nab a baserunner who'd strayed half a step past third base. He ended another by catching a trailing runner napping and signaling his catcher for a pickoff throw. He wins not just with his hitting but also with his fielding, throwing, baserunning, and his tremendous will. How did he not win the MVP? Either he's underappreciated, or his year-in, year-out greatness has gotten dull. No peaks, no valleys; nothing bores people like sameness.
- two new community projection threads are up: encarnacion and carpenter. we'll look at those thurs or friday.
- at least one guy thinks anthony reyes could contend for the cy young award.
- also, i thought you'd all get a kick out of this: who knew how very much george orwell hated the cubs?
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | |||
| molina 2006 | 417 | 29 | 90 | 26 | 0 | 6 | 49 | 26 | | | .216 | .274 | .321 | ||
| scioscia 1982 | 365 | 31 | 80 | 11 | 1 | 5 | 38 | 44 | | | .219 | .302 | .296 |
what did sciosia do as a 24-year-old? missed the whole year after a collision at the plate. but from age 25 forward he was about a league-average run producer (as measured by OPS+) and a superlative defensive catcher. so if molina continues to follow scioscia's career trajectory, he'll mature ino a pretty valuable player. like yadi, scioscia won his first world champ'ship young (age 22); he won another at age 29, and played on three more division winners.
for whatever that's worth.
as long as we're drawing comparisons, molina's top comps at Baseball Prospectus both evolved into fine hitters, ramon hernandez (23 homers, 91 rbi for the orioles last year) and the royals' mike sweeney, whose peak OPS surpassed .900. . . . i'd be happy enough to see molina nose past .700, but perhaps it won't be a vain hope. another good hitter, the cubs' michael barrett, is molina's #4 comp per BP. barrett's age-23 season (.214 / .277 / .288) was very close to molina's (.216 / .274 / .321); he improved to .250 / .289 / .367 at age 24 and then made major breakthroughs at ages 25 (.263 / .332 / .418) and 27 (.287 / .337 / .489). scioscia is on the BP list at #12, by the way.
with all these cheery comparisons in our heads, let's move now to the numbers. for the 2d consecutive year, every single respondent in our exercise predicts an offensive improvement for molina. it's less noteworthy this season, i suppose, in that molina truly can go nowhere but up after last year. . . . . so here are the numbers, in descending OPS order:
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | |||
| CCH | 420 | 49 | 112 | 24 | 0 | 10 | 56 | 32 | | | .267 | .319 | .396 | ||
| CHONE | 403 | 44 | 103 | 23 | 0 | 8 | 44 | 31 | | | .256 | .318 | .372 | ||
| VEB | 431 | 39 | 111 | 20 | 0 | 10 | 57 | 33 | | | .258 | .311 | .374 | ||
| Marcel | 427 | 42 | 107 | 25 | 0 | 9 | 55 | 31 | | | .251 | .307 | .372 | ||
| Shandler | 440 | 37 | 110 | 22 | 0 | 9 | 52 | 31 | | | .250 | .299 | .361 | ||
| PECOTA | 312 | 31 | 78 | 19 | 0 | 5 | 36 | 23 | | | .250 | .301 | .359 | ||
| Bill James | 487 | 41 | 119 | 27 | 0 | 8 | 63 | 33 | | | .244 | .298 | .349 | ||
| ZIPS | 423 | 34 | 98 | 21 | 0 | 8 | 53 | 24 | | | .232 | .279 | .338 |
the hometown forecasts (VEB and CCH) are super sunny, perhaps unrealistically so. but at least two of the "objective" ones (Marcel and CHONE) are nearly as optimistic as we are, and the nearly identical shandler / PECOTA / james projections aren't all that far off from the VEB line --- we foresee 2 or 3 more homers, but in all other respects our numbers match theirs. here's the aggregate line:
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| 418 | 38 | 104 | 23 | 0 | 8 | 51 | 29 | | | .248 | .298 | .360 |
with his glove, and at his price, i'd take it.
isringhausen is supposed to throw BP to live hitters today. BP's will carroll had this comment in his preseason health report:
so anyway, back to izzy. as you look at the projections, focus on one number: hr allowed. last year, 6 of his 10 blown saves came on home runs. he allowed one homer per 25 batters faced in 2006; his average coming into the season was one homer per 60 batters faced. and that's the entire story: if he keeps the ball in the park this year, he'll be ok. do we think he can do it? the numbers, ordered by ascending ERA:
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | SV | ERA | WHIP | |||
| CCH | 59 | 45 | 27 | 56 | 5 | 36 | 2.92 | 1.220 | ||
| VEB | 55 | 44 | 25 | 50 | 5 | 33 | 3.03 | 1.255 | ||
| Bill James | 63 | 50 | 28 | 57 | 5 | 32 | 3.29 | 1.238 | ||
| PECOTA | 53 | 45 | 26 | 44 | 5 | 21 | 3.49 | 1.340 | ||
| ZIPS | 61 | 50 | 30 | 56 | 6 | n/a | 3.54 | 1.311 | ||
| CHONE | 62 | 56 | 31 | 52 | 6 | n/a | 3.77 | 1.403 | ||
| Marcel | 60 | 54 | 28 | 49 | 7 | 26 | 3.90 | 1.367 | ||
| Shandler | 28 | n/a | n/a | 23 | 3 | 10 | 4.16 | 1.500 |
again, look at those hr totals --- it's agreed by all the savants that izzy will recover his low hr rates. the aggregate projection puts him at 0.82 hr per 9 innings; his career avg is 0.71 hr/9. here's the full aggregate line, alongside his 2006 numbers:
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | SV | ERA | WHIP | |||
| proj 07 | 55 | 47 | 26 | 47 | 5 | 20 | 3.57 | 1.332 | ||
| actual 06 | 58 | 47 | 38 | 52 | 10 | 20 | 3.57 | 1.457 |
so here's what i don't get --- the aggregate projection has izzy cutting his walks by 12 and his homers by 5 over last season, while holding the line (mostly) on hits/9 and strikeouts/9 . . . . but posting the same era as last year? huh. our projected peripherals are pretty similar to izzy's 2005 line ---- higher h/9, but all the other numbers line up. compare, with an eye toward the era:
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | SV | ERA | WHIP | |||
| proj 07 | 55 | 47 | 26 | 47 | 5 | 20 | 3.57 | 1.332 | ||
| actual 05 | 59 | 43 | 27 | 51 | 4 | 39 | 2.14 | 1.186 |
if izzy does, indeed, post the components we've projected for him, i reckon his era would end up in the low 3s or high 2s. i guess the era isn't really at issue here, anyway; as long as the hrs don't fly out of the park, izzy will convert the saves.
as a group, we project jason to miss the first 18 games of the season, which would place his return on april 22 at wrigley vs the cubs.
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question on yadi projections
According to my back-of-the-hand calculations, if you add in Yadi's 59 post-season plate appearances, his OBP rises from .595 to about .630. Still not great, but a significant improvement, especially for a player so young. If the projection systems don't take those ABs into account, I'd say they're artificially lowballing him.
Love the Pujols comment, by the way, Larry. Dead on.
thanks greg
re postseason at-bats: i don't believe those are counted by the projection systems. i couldn't answer you why. i suppose one might argue that, since most postseason innings are thrown by the best pitchers from the best pitching staffs, postseason stats don't reliably predict regular-season performance --- ie, for most hitters the postseason ###s would tend to diminish their overall stats, hence diminish their projections for the subsequent season.
but that's just a guess.
and, of course, in molina's case this consideration wouldn't apply, since he did his best hitting against playoff pitchers. that was true both in '05 and in '06.
yeah
by brock on Mar 6, 2007 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
everyone appreciates him
his peers (who vote on the gold gloves) appreciate that he can field.
but my point is that most people don't look beyond the gaudy batting stats; they recognize that form of albert's greatness, but miss other forms of it.
well
by brock on Mar 6, 2007 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Who's "they"?
I'm sure many people get it, but I agree that many people still don't.
by themang on Mar 6, 2007 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
postseason
Fortunately most systems will use at least three or more years of performance information (including minor league seasons), so a handful of postseason at bats is unlikely to make a meaningful difference anyway.
by ChrisConstancio on Mar 6, 2007 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
that system
Barring some reason to think that he should be a better hitter against the higher-quality pitching in the postseason -- or that he derives some benefit from having Thom Brennaman or Joe Buck in the house -- I think one has to give Yadi a bit of a bump-up.
Contact hitters
It seems to be based on the idea that they are willing and able to foul away breaking pitches, then put a solid stroke on fastballs. Sometimes that leads to game-winning homers against the Mets in the NLCS, sometimes just a solid basehit to drive in two in a meaningless game in May.
To get right to it with Izzy
Izzy and Homers
Also, Izzy was one of 14 pitchers with at least 100 career ABs with a lifetime AVG of .200 or better. We had three of them last year (Izzy, Betty & Snappah), plus Woody from a couple years ago.
Just to let everyone know
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 6, 2007 12:58 PM EST reply actions
I also can't find a link to the MLB.TV link.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 6, 2007 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
oh, my mistake.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 6, 2007 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wish it was avail
I see JRod is in the lineup. Hope he continues to tear it up this spring. So far, so good.
So Tags error
it is availible through gameday audio.
O's lead 1-0 on a sac fly. Runner at 3rd.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 6, 2007 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Top of 2nd
Rodriguez Walks
Molina single up the middle
Miles RBI single
Ryan pop out
Taguchi pop out to CF
Concern re: Kinney
Could be trouble if true
What in heck is going on?
Games in the preseason are suspended
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 6, 2007 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they just called it a draw
Molina
I still think that, if Bryan Anderson progresses, it will create an interesting dilemma for the team in about 3 years. If Yadi's still not hitting but a great defensive C, Anderson's good offense looks very good despite so-so defense. Add in the fact that, at that point, Yadi will be earning the equivalent of $5-6 M and Anderson will be earning the minimum and the organization may make a switch.
I'm also a little concerned about Yadi's weight and body type. Just a few years ago, Bengie was seen as one of the best defensive C's in the AL. But he's gotten huge and is now seen as a liability defensively. Maybe it's b/c he's not in the proper shape or maybe it's genetic. I can't help but wonder what Yadi will look like in 3-4 years and how effective he'll be behind the dish as a result. He is 8 years younger than Bengie so maybe it's nothing. But, if he's fat, hits like Ausmus, and earns $6 M in 3-4 years, I don't care how much the organization loves him, it'll be time for Anderson to take over.
whew
I think they turned off the civility switch for the day though... It's interesting to see how professionally the other involved parties are responding to it. Mr. Silver is either a charismatic businessmen or, and I'd like to assume, that he's just a very respectful person.
i can't find that dustup
He (DMZ) says that
yeah they must have taken it down
It was pretty heated for a written medium. When I dropped by there, they had posted the retraction and deleted the paragraph but the actual post by Dave was still up. I guess the threat of legal action or simply the thread's nature to flare up over a heated issue caused them to take it down completely.
I was exceedingly impressed with the way that DMZ and Nate handled the issue. Everyone else involved, not so much.
Gooch
"So Taguchi had another rough day -- the veteran outfielder went 0 for four at the plate, committed a throwing error and was caught stealing. Taguchi is 1 for 16 (.062) this spring."
That's pretty ugly.
As Huey Long once said
I think that is probably right...
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12:05 Pirates @ Twins: Tony Armas Jr. vs. Boof Bonser
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