define "uncertainty"
adieu, florida; the cards' grapefruit finale takes place today, vs the marlins. wells pitches; gameday link is here.
i asked (and answered) Five Questions About the Cardinals for the Hardball Times' series of preseason articles; it's up today. i turned in my copy just before the latest news o' the outfield broke, viz.:
- encarnacion's wrist ails; no timetable on his return
- john rodriguez was optioned to memphis
far more significant than this move's implications for the bench are its implications for the starting lineup, ie edmonds: la russa notes "the uncertainty in centerfield" as a factor weighing in schumaker's favor. i infer from that statement that jimmy won't be playing every day during the early part of the schedule; hence the need for three backup cfs on the roster (schu taguchi and wilson). and by "uncertainty," does tony mean something short-term --- ie, until edmonds plays himself back into shape --- or something more ominous like, say, uncertainty about whether edmonds' two or three dozen different injuries have healed enough to keep him on the active roster all season? . . . . . as i opined in the Hardball Times piece, an inactive edmonds would place the st louis 9 in deep doo-doo.
not thinking about it. head buried in sand.
the news about encarnacion, as reported by matt leach (hat tip to The Dude):
"I haven't done anything yet," Encarnacion said, when asked if the shot had helped his wrist feel better. "I've had a few days of not doing anything."
Encarnacion will start the season on the disabled list, and it is unclear when he will be available to play in games.
speaking of will carroll: he granted my request last week for a brief Q+A about the state of the trainer's room in st louis. at no extra charge, will --- who wrote the cardinals' team chapter in BP2007 --- also answered a half-dozen questions about the cardinals' off-season and the state of the organization. many thanks to mr carroll --- as ever, an accessible, responsive, and informative servant. Update [2007-3-30 14:34:22 by lboros]: correction --- will did not write the cards' BP2007 chapter; Christina Kahrl did. my apologies for the mistake.
Rate the Edmonds injury sites (toe, shoulder, cabeza) in descending order of concern. Should we be grateful if he simply matches last year's production / playing time?
I think the shoulder is the one with the most concern, though post-concussion syndrome is a serious condition. We know that he'll lack some pop, but this isn't a Rolen-style injury. I'd be grateful if he matches last year's RATE of production, if not the raw numbers. He's clearly in decline, but the Cards are hoping it's a slow rate.
This winter Mulder admitted that he pitched hurt from 2004 through last summer. Does that change our expectation of his potential effectiveness post-surgery? If so, does it make us more optimistic, or less?
It raises my opinion of Billy Beane . . . sorry, Walt. I think it raises hopes. Mulder's worked well with Duncan, and I see a Matt Morris-style post-surgery trajectory here. The Cards have had a lot of success post-shoulder -- Carpenter, Morris, Kile. Mulder was smart to stay.
I was surprised to see that Anthony Reyes got a green light in the Positional Health Reports. What factor(s) inform that rating?
Solid mechanics and the inability to factor in the struggles he's had in the minors. One of the major holes in the system is that we don't have minor league DL data. I'm not willing to "fake" the data in. That said, I think Reyes will be fine.
The Cardinals broke an unofficial policy this off-season by committing five years to a pitcher, Chris Carpenter. Any reason we should be more (or less) nervous about that length commitment to Carp, as opposed to the same commitment to any other 32-year-old pitcher?
I think they reacted to the market and at the same time rewarded him for his accomplishments rather than paying him based on expected performance. I don't like the deal.
Will we ever be able to stop worrying about Rolen's shoulder?
A long time from now, in a galaxy far, far away. . . . . Actually yes. The further out he gets from it, the less it will be a concern, much like his previous shoulder injury. Yeah, see, you'd forgotten all about that one, right?
There've been new whispers about Pujols and the juice this spring; both Buck Martinez and Keith Olbermann apparently think he looks "smaller." Any "there" there?
I haven't seen him, so I can't comment and I won't comment on speculation. There was obviously some smoke last year around the Grimsley case, but until he fails a test, he's got to be given some measure of trust.
Do you think the Cardinals' run of success (now 7 years strong, 2000-2006) is destined to crash the same way that the Giants' 8-year run (1997-2004) did --- with a roster full of overripe players and a run of losing seasons? What resources does the organization have available to keep this from happening?
Not in this division and not with this front office. Right now, being a .500 team --- as the Cards were last season --- is enough. It wouldn't be in almost any other division. As long as the pitching is tolerable and Jocketty can continue to assemble his "studs and scrubs" style roster, they'll be competitive. The lack of prospects in the pipeline is more worrisome. Edmonds and Rolen are nearing the end of their useful lifespan, and it's far easier for Duncan to turn a Kip Wells or a Jeff Weaver into something useable than it is to find a stud CF.
The Cardinals probably could have re-signed Weaver on a one-year deal for about $8.5m; they chose to keep the money in their rainy-day fund. How likely does it seem to you that they'll find a more impactful use for those dollars during the season? Are they going to regret having missed the chance to reap some win-column dividend (even a small one) on that slice of payroll?
He's still Jeff Weaver and I think he'll miss Dave Duncan. I don't buy the "rainy day" fund, either; they made a decision on Weaver's value and passed. Nothing wrong with that. They won't have any excuse not to make a trade if they need it, but I'm not sure what that would be. Jon Lieber would be a nice acquisition, but they don't have the tradeable commodities to get him.
Jeff Luhnow, the Cards' most stats-oriented exec, has gained influence within the organization; he received a big promotion last September. Do you see any evidence of his influence in the Cards' personnel decisions?
More in the minor leagues. I've spoken with Jeff several times and find his open mind to new thinking refreshing. I think he's a big part of the Cards blended approach, one that certainly seems to work. He's got a big task ahead of him, rebuilding a depleted farm system, but he's making strides.
The Cardinals brought back 7 everyday players, the entire bench, most of the bullpen, and (counting Mulder) three-fifths of the rotation from an 83-win team. What's the biggest reason to be optimistic? Or is there one?
They were good last year and play in a crappy division. They have Albert Pujols and no one else does.
Ostensibly, Looper is just keeping a spot warm in the rotation until Mulder returns. When Mulder does return, what are the odds that he's worse than Looper?
Well, then you have Ryan Franklin. It's a mix-and-match approach, and I'm not yet buying into Kip Wells suddenly becoming a real pitcher either, despite Duncan's track record. I'd expect Mulder to be league average with some struggles when he returns. I've been hearing May, but I think that's a bit fast. Not as bad as Colon, but fast. Getting him back for the stretch run and the playoffs is much more important. No one in this division is going to run away and hide.
Which word more accurately describes the Cards' reticence on the free-agent market this winter: a) wise or b) cheap? Would the answer be different if they hadn't won it all in 2006?
I don't think we know now. Did it make sense to pass up seemingly high rates this year or will next year's market be even more inflated? Is there better talent available or will they develop their own cheap talent? Can they continue to get undervalued assets on the cheap like Preston Wilson or Adam Kennedy? All these are things we only know in hindsight. Right now, we know that the Cards certainly seem to have enough to contend, but there are also a lot of things that could go wrong. No team has a better track record of mid-season adjustments, so I'd say that even if it goes off track early, they can adjust. I still think they're the favorite to win this division, even though I think the Brewers have a better team.
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Good stuff LB
With the glut of pen guys and OF-ers I can't believe a trade wasn't worked out. Of course who is/was going to trade for Juan, So, Preston or Skippy?
Why don't we have...
Yes, I know now that Garcia is hurt they want to keep him, but that Philly bullpen is absolutely dreadful...
Lieber
He's 37. ZiPS projects him at 193 innings of 4.43 ERA with 114:33 K/BB and 213 hits.
I actually believe we have commodities better than Lieber (like Thompson). It would be a mistake for the Cardinals to give up anything for him.
Do you honestly believe...
Of course, Lieber could blow up more or less as easily as anyone else, but I don't think sending Looper, Rincon, and a mid-level prospect to Philly constitutes giving up much... The Phillies have a truly terrible bullpen, which is the only reason they might go for something like this. They're going north with, among others, Ryan Madsen, Antonio Alfonseca, someone named Clay Condrey, and only one lefty - Matt Smith - who has all of 21 innings to his name.
I agree any pitcher can blow up.
Another great read!
I do have a quick question, if I decide to get mlb.tv, can I watch the games later or is it just a live feed? I can see myself losing sleep for a big series here and there, but waking up early every single day to catch the games seems like too much. I know I can download individual games from mlb, but if I purchase mlb.tv can I download them as part of the cost? Thanks guys! Interviews like this and Luhnow interview make it almost feel like I'm at home!
by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 29, 2007 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
thanks, CF in Iraq
Thanks!
by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 29, 2007 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right about
If you don't have time to mess with all this, just give a friend some cash and use his/her credit card.
Oh, and stay safe over there.
MLB TV
But I was told my MLB that what matters is the IP address of the system you are using to access the broadcast.
Real-life example: The Braves are the local team in my area so I receive Cardinal games unless they are playing the Braves. That's as long as I'm at home or work or most Wi-Fi hotspots. But if I go to Panera Bread to have a cup of coffee and use their free Wi-Fi, the Cards are blacked out no matter who they are playing. Why? Because Panera Bread is based in Maryland Heights, Mo., so its IP is based in the Cardinals blackout zone. It doesn't matter if you are at a Panera Bread in St. Louis or South Carolina. I called MLB to inquire and they said this was the case.
by 10worldchamps on Mar 29, 2007 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Blackouts
by Birds on the Bat on Mar 29, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the Saturday blackouts
I'm in Baltimore and I
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
IP
by jeff abs on Mar 29, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Proxy
by 10worldchamps on Mar 29, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
So, in laymans terms, you go to a website (we'll call it website #1.com) and that website (#1) allows you to view another website (website #2.com) w/out it looking like you are on website #2.
I'd imagine (b/c I use to do it for the man) that most (99%-ish) are blocked for cardsfaniraq (at least when he's in Iraq) and probably are wherever you work, too. Us IT jerks are crafty.
basically
by jeff abs on Mar 29, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you already purchased the plan?
by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 30, 2007 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Good interview
This season is a big one for the Cardinals, one in which they hope to see another SP (Hawksworth) and another outfielder (Ankiel) step forward to fit into the team in 2008. The 2007 and 2008 years might be rough as the Cards try to ride out the last years of the big 3 before putting together the younger core they seek so they can spend the big money on another free agent bat and signign Albert long term.
I deffinatly feel this is a transitional time in the organization, as the team rejects spending big on the rotation, hopping that by 2009 they will have a home grown starting four + Carpenter and maybe some good young and productive outfielders (Jay, Rasmus, Duncan).
I think the real problem here
The Cardinals' previous reliance on college-age players limits our ability to field young talent in the big leagues right now. This has been alleviated with the adjusted draft strategy exhibited the last few years and the emergence of players such as Colby Rasmus for our future.
And the purpose of the farm system is not to crank out all-star level talent - that's the hope, not the stated plan. The purpose is to provide cheap, younger players to lessen the dependence on expensive free agents. If Memphis can spit out a few useful players per season that prevents us from spending $3.5M on a middle-relief pitcher, $5M on a 3rd/4th option for the outfield, or whatever, that leaves more money to invest in the gems that we can develop or bring in from other sources.
I disagree with your characterization about
So where do we get our All-Star talent from? We can't be a perenially successful franchise without it. We need players like Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds and Carpenter and, as LB I think correctly states in his hardball times piece, it's going to be nearly impossible to pull of the Rolen and Edmonds-like trades now and in the future. Carp was lightning in a bottle. Therefore, our stars absolutely MUST come from our farm system. It's there to provide depth but, without stars, those "depth-type" players end up being our starters and we end up a .500 ballclub at best. We have to have stars and getting them through our farm system is, by far, the best avenue available to us or any team, for that matter.
That's true, but
Sure, the more All-Stars we can cultivate from within, the better, as the best values to be found are the guys emerge quickly while they're still making less than a mil a year (see Pujols, Albert circa '01-'03). But even if you can only develop guys like a Spiezio or Kennedy, that's just as helpful, and a more realistic goal. Each dollar you save on those lesser roles can be applied to (at least try) snagging the next big free agent, or even signing that rare homegrown superstar to a long-term deal after he's reached arbitration/free agency years.
My point
I fully expect our farm system to produce quality players, 1-2 major contributors every year. We should be able to pull most of our "spare parts" from our minors, and that doesn't include stocking up on 30-year-old AAAA ex-prospects & having them fill out the roster in Memphis.
I'm not saying we should subscribe to a philosophy where we think we can, at will, take a handful of fringe prospects, combine them into 4-for-1 trade package, and get in return a HOF-quality centerfielder, first baseman, or third baseman. It obviously can't work consistantly, not anymore. My beef was that our system was being judged unfairly because, while we weren't blessed with a top-10 quality, drafted-out-of-high-school stud on a yearly basis, the farm system still produced quality players that could fill holes otherwise populated by $2M+ free agents with no discernible advantage other than exceptional "veteranosity". (Whether those young players have been deployed in an optimal manner - versus hired mercenaries - in this regime is another matter entirely.)
expecting the system to produce quality players
Yadi, Albert, Kennedy, Duncan, Wainer, Reyes, Looper, Skip, So, TJ, Kinney, Flores, Thompson (plus the replacement level players in Memphis: Narvie, J-Rod, Ankiel, et al) and the few uber-prospects in Springfield (Perez, Rasmus, Hawk), all are or were, at one point in time, part of the Cardinals farm system.
I honestly don't understand how your system can have those results over the recent past and be deemed a failure.
I don't consider them a failure
I think the Cardinals do a fine job producing young talent, especially considering our average draft position. I just think that they don't get enough credit from the various media groups.
Sorry man
Me and my stupid tact. Fucking tact!
No harm done
When you left your comment, I rushed to defend myself when I didn't need to. You didn't say anything that should've sparked an aggressive response. I just thought I left myself open to further scrutiny when I felt I had sewn it up sufficiently.
To use paraphrased military terminology, I was at a heightened state of readiness and mistakenly fired on friendlies, misjudging their intentions. Sorry.
Before last year
And while Taguchi did spend time in our farm system, I certainly wouldn't call him a product of said farm system. Same goes for Kinney... wait, scratch that. I was under the impression that he was only recently acquired from the Gateway Grizzlies. Then I looked up his stats at thebaseballcube.com, and I see he only pitched 3 games for them, and that was way back in '01. The feel-good articles I read about his ascension to the majors were really misleading apparently.
Still, you make a good point, it's easy to forget guys that were developed in house but wound up elsewhere in the major leagues - Kennedy, Morris, Drew...
Yeah
So and Wainer, while both being somewhat proven comodities, didn't prove themselves as ballplayers (and Adam at least had the stuff well before he got to the org) until they started working in the minors.
I know it's not the best minor league system in baseball (but then again, who is? We just won the world series with a lot of home grown talent), but they are doing something right down there.
I disagree on Taguchi
I think I agree with most
One additional thing I should have mentioned in my post is that I do agree with the gist of it and that my disagreement was a little nitpicky. I agree that our system is judged unfairly b/c it hasn't produced many all-stars. It should get some credit for turning out depth and bench players and it should get some credit for producing the prospects that Walt has turned into Vina, Edmonds, McGwire, Kile, Edmonds, and others.
Transition
They may have the resources to win the division for a couple more years while they wait for some of the kids to make their way up. That wouldn't have been the case a few years back.
by jbacott on Mar 29, 2007 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
Great read, LB
A lineup after midseason of:
Eckstein
Duncan
Pujols
Jones
Rolen
Edmonds
Molina
Kennedy
would be dangerous.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 29, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
HBT
by Jonathan23 on Mar 29, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
Great for this quote alone!
But also for tidbits like this
Great article.
Yep -
I don't see this team winning less than 85 games this year, as long as we aren't decimated by injury. We'd have to play pretty mediocre ball throughout, as it's pretty unlikely that we'll go through 2 8-game losing streaks again.
I just don't see that happening. We have too many superstars and good professional role players.
Pour some rum and light a cigar
by rmerrill on Mar 29, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
<THUNDERCLAP>
Yeah and
If a couple of the bats wake up, this could be a very good team.
by Red in Chicago on Mar 29, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
Duncan and Edmonds
That would represent a little bit of Duncan returning to earth or Edmonds returning to form, but wouldn't require an all-star year from either. If you can get that out of 2 outfield spots, then anything good you get out of RF becomes a welcome luxury.
If this happens, it would take a lot of things going bad for this team not to win 90 games.
by CardFaninVA on Mar 29, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Job Larry
I agree about the SP "dilemma." Many forget how tattered and battered our rotation was last year, outside of Carp. Suppan falls under the "battered" category, IMHO. I only worry about health - both with the position players that Larry talked about - and with our young arms reaching the 180 - 200 IP level.
Jrod
Nice interview as always, LB.
I can't help but think that the cardinals aren't taking their best 5 bench players. If they are so bound and determined to keep skip than why did they retain Wilson and Taguchi... This just seems like a bad idea.
ARGH - I'm so frustrated right now I can't even think. . .
hard to argue
Anyone want do an over/under on when we see JRod again? I say May 16th.
arguing with schumaker
It's called a .729 career OPS in the minors. . .
I say...
As for your sig, weren't you the acquire Jason Schmidt guy? Maybe you should try broadening your demands as I have done... How about: "Someone better than So Taguchi for Right Field!"
Great Job
Now as for when we see J Rod, I say once around May 5th or so and then once again right before the trade deadline to bait him out there a little. I expect him to have high numbers in Memphis this year which will increase the chances we trade him to bring in that impact player lboros was talking about around the trade deadline.
by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 29, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
How healthy can you expect a team to be?
I know we had players hurt last night, and if healthy we would have done better... obviously.
So yeah, it seems like going into this year we appear to be hoping that everyone stays healthy and then we can win. Well, couldn't the same be said for any team? Are there any measurable statistics for "team health"? Maybe like percent of salary spent on the DL?
I just wonder how what our chances might be of actually being healthier this year.
by redbird2006in on Mar 29, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
I've seen numbers like
I don't have the numbers but the Cards were definitely high up on the list of NL teams last year in DL days, and the impact was even bigger if you factor in the value of the players (Pujols, Edmonds, Mulder, Izzy...). The real situation was arguably somewhat worse than those numbers suggest because Mulder and Izzy both played hurt for so long, as did Edmonds to a lesser extent.
I don't feel like they have an especially injury-prone roster, so I'd like to think that last year was just very bad luck (plus some bad decisions in playing injured people) rather than the normal expectation for this team. I'm sure someone with more time on their hands and more stats smarts could quantify the overall team injury expectations using Positional Health Reports and other such things....
by BTown Birds fan on Mar 29, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Instead of crunching
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh, nice defense Chris
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 29, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
please explain
Duncan Gloves it at the Wall
by Birds on the Bat on Mar 29, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy returns!!!!
by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 29, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
It was an excuse me double
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 29, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
See, if you really wanted to
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you discount "cheap" XBH's
I'm not dissing cheap, believe me.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
LD%
pinch runner for Albert
by rmerrill on Mar 29, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure...
If that's what happened,
by rmerrill on Mar 29, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This pisses me off:
I wonder if Mr. Carroll has seen this:
http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/a-deeply-regrettable-wrong-204519.php
by Speedy G on Mar 29, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
Of course he hasn't
No one has. No one ever sees the corrections.
Not so fast, The LA Times was wrong too ...
So I don't think there is any firm evidence as to whether Pujols is in or out of the federal investigation/Grimsley testimony.
6 K's for Kip
And those starters that left our rotation decimated??
era hr ip
weaver 8.31 4 13.0
marquis 5.40 5 18.1
suppan 4.86 4 16.2
net gain for the good guys.
by Birds on the Bat on Mar 29, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Marquis will be a joy to watch this year
Anyway, he and Weaver will both be DFAd in August if we need them. You know, pinch runner or something.
You and me both, baby
Yeah
I made what I think is a pretty easy 50 bucks by betting someone that Kip Wells will have a lower ERA than Marquis this year.
Actually, I fully expect Marquis
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Just
by FanInNY on Mar 29, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Was this mentioned yet?
http://www1.tcpalm.com/tcp/pro_baseball/article/0,2820,TCP_24442_5450212,00.html
I didn't see this discussed here or at the Dispatch. He has tendinitis in his elbow.
Awesome post Lbo.
Predictions
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117508818410951720-nyhsry7ZrnWxKLEGoy7h4i4A0JE_20070428.html
McGwire Statue Story
http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/03/cardinals_keepi.html
What do we make of Wells' K rate?
by cardsnutincali on Mar 29, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
Someone at Yahoo Sports is high on Yadi
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3. Cardinals C Yadier Molina. The confidence he gained in his offense last postseason coupled with his already Gold Glove-caliber defense indicate he's ready to be a perennial All-Star -- maybe starting as soon as this season.
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This reporter was one of several who picked Yadi to be the Cards' 2007 offensive breakout player in the VEB "Predicting 2007 wins" diary in February (alright, not a terribly bold prediction, given his awful luck and amazing postseason in 2006):
http://vivaelbirdos.com/story/2007/2/14/14450/4410
Here's hoping we're all right!
by BTown Birds fan on Mar 29, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
Huh...
I demand Will Clark gets one too.



















