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adieu, florida; the cards' grapefruit finale takes place today, vs the marlins. wells pitches; gameday link is here.

i asked (and answered) Five Questions About the Cardinals for the Hardball Times' series of preseason articles; it's up today. i turned in my copy just before the latest news o' the outfield broke, viz.:

  1. encarnacion's wrist ails; no timetable on his return
  2. john rodriguez was optioned to memphis
of the latter decision, la russa explained (in the p-d): "We think (Rodriguez) is a big league player. It comes down to the uncertainty in centerfield. Skip is a more natural centerfielder." by "skip," of course, tony is referring to schumaker; he'll be one of 5 outfielders on the OD roster, joining edmonds, duncan, wilson, and taguchi. toss encarnacion into the mix, and that leaves j-rod as the #7 outfielder on the roster --- seems to me he ought to rank higher than that. but i can't say he outranks schumaker at this point --- skip's value-add with the glove neutralizes j-rod's value-add with the bat. i do think rodriguez is more valuable than taguchi --- 10 years younger, less than half as costly, and infinitely better with the bat. the case for taguchi: he's right-handed. if the cards had kept j-rod and schumaker, they'd have only one right-handed-hitting outfielder on the roster, preston wilson. in games where both wilson and spiezio started, their top right-handed pinch-hitter would be aaron miles; their 2d would be gary bennett; and their 3d would be adam wainwright. so while i don't like the decision --- an offense as thin as the cards' can ill-afford to deprive itself of any player with .375 on-base ability --- i also don't think it's quite a cut-and-dried call. if the decision turns out to be faulty, it's reversible; j-rod will be a phone call away.

far more significant than this move's implications for the bench are its implications for the starting lineup, ie edmonds: la russa notes "the uncertainty in centerfield" as a factor weighing in schumaker's favor. i infer from that statement that jimmy won't be playing every day during the early part of the schedule; hence the need for three backup cfs on the roster (schu taguchi and wilson). and by "uncertainty," does tony mean something short-term --- ie, until edmonds plays himself back into shape --- or something more ominous like, say, uncertainty about whether edmonds' two or three dozen different injuries have healed enough to keep him on the active roster all season? . . . . . as i opined in the Hardball Times piece, an inactive edmonds would place the st louis 9 in deep doo-doo.

not thinking about it. head buried in sand.

the news about encarnacion, as reported by matt leach (hat tip to The Dude):

Juan Encarnacion still is not swinging a bat after he received a cortisone shot on his surgically repaired left wrist on Sunday. He will not be with the team for Opening Night, though he will travel to St. Louis to participate in the World Series ring ceremony on Tuesday at Busch Stadium.

"I haven't done anything yet," Encarnacion said, when asked if the shot had helped his wrist feel better. "I've had a few days of not doing anything."

Encarnacion will start the season on the disabled list, and it is unclear when he will be available to play in games.

will carroll had similar information two days ago at Baseball Prospectus:
It's no surprise --- or shouldn't be, anyway --- that Juan Encarnacion is going to start the season on the DL. What's a bit more concerning is that his rehab has been more stuttered than a BT remix. The latest bump in the road is a cortisone injection into his problematic wrist. We know that wrist injuries can linger, sapping both bat speed and control, so the need for an injection well before he cut loose with his swing has to draw his progress under question. The injury sapped his OBP last season, following the speed that's been missing a couple seasons. At 30 and injured, Encarnacion has a lot to prove before you can consider him anything more than waiver bait. For the Cards, that means a lot of watching Preston Wilson and waiting for Walt Jocketty to work his deadline magic.
this team needs another outfielder, folks. maybe we dismissed nate silver's remarks a little too breezily last week. . . . . then again, maybe encarnacion's condition will force the organization to seek the upgrade in rf that many of us have been hoping for lo these many months.

speaking of will carroll: he granted my request last week for a brief Q+A about the state of the trainer's room in st louis. at no extra charge, will --- who wrote the cardinals' team chapter in BP2007 --- also answered a half-dozen questions about the cardinals' off-season and the state of the organization. many thanks to mr carroll --- as ever, an accessible, responsive, and informative servant. Update [2007-3-30 14:34:22 by lboros]: correction --- will did not write the cards' BP2007 chapter; Christina Kahrl did. my apologies for the mistake.

Rate the Edmonds injury sites (toe, shoulder, cabeza) in descending order of concern. Should we be grateful if he simply matches last year's production / playing time?
I think the shoulder is the one with the most concern, though post-concussion syndrome is a serious condition. We know that he'll lack some pop, but this isn't a Rolen-style injury. I'd be grateful if he matches last year's RATE of production, if not the raw numbers. He's clearly in decline, but the Cards are hoping it's a slow rate.

This winter Mulder admitted that he pitched hurt from 2004 through last summer. Does that change our expectation of his potential effectiveness post-surgery? If so, does it make us more optimistic, or less?
It raises my opinion of Billy Beane . . . sorry, Walt. I think it raises hopes. Mulder's worked well with Duncan, and I see a Matt Morris-style post-surgery trajectory here. The Cards have had a lot of success post-shoulder -- Carpenter, Morris, Kile. Mulder was smart to stay.

I was surprised to see that Anthony Reyes got a green light in the Positional Health Reports. What factor(s) inform that rating?
Solid mechanics and the inability to factor in the struggles he's had in the minors. One of the major holes in the system is that we don't have minor league DL data. I'm not willing to "fake" the data in. That said, I think Reyes will be fine.

The Cardinals broke an unofficial policy this off-season by committing five years to a pitcher, Chris Carpenter. Any reason we should be more (or less) nervous about that length commitment to Carp, as opposed to the same commitment to any other 32-year-old pitcher?
I think they reacted to the market and at the same time rewarded him for his accomplishments rather than paying him based on expected performance. I don't like the deal.

Will we ever be able to stop worrying about Rolen's shoulder?
A long time from now, in a galaxy far, far away. . . . . Actually yes. The further out he gets from it, the less it will be a concern, much like his previous shoulder injury. Yeah, see, you'd forgotten all about that one, right?

There've been new whispers about Pujols and the juice this spring; both Buck Martinez and Keith Olbermann apparently think he looks "smaller." Any "there" there?
I haven't seen him, so I can't comment and I won't comment on speculation. There was obviously some smoke last year around the Grimsley case, but until he fails a test, he's got to be given some measure of trust.

Do you think the Cardinals' run of success (now 7 years strong, 2000-2006) is destined to crash the same way that the Giants' 8-year run (1997-2004) did --- with a roster full of overripe players and a run of losing seasons? What resources does the organization have available to keep this from happening?
Not in this division and not with this front office. Right now, being a .500 team --- as the Cards were last season --- is enough. It wouldn't be in almost any other division. As long as the pitching is tolerable and Jocketty can continue to assemble his "studs and scrubs" style roster, they'll be competitive. The lack of prospects in the pipeline is more worrisome. Edmonds and Rolen are nearing the end of their useful lifespan, and it's far easier for Duncan to turn a Kip Wells or a Jeff Weaver into something useable than it is to find a stud CF.

The Cardinals probably could have re-signed Weaver on a one-year deal for about $8.5m; they chose to keep the money in their rainy-day fund. How likely does it seem to you that they'll find a more impactful use for those dollars during the season? Are they going to regret having missed the chance to reap some win-column dividend (even a small one) on that slice of payroll?
He's still Jeff Weaver and I think he'll miss Dave Duncan. I don't buy the "rainy day" fund, either; they made a decision on Weaver's value and passed. Nothing wrong with that. They won't have any excuse not to make a trade if they need it, but I'm not sure what that would be. Jon Lieber would be a nice acquisition, but they don't have the tradeable commodities to get him.

Jeff Luhnow, the Cards' most stats-oriented exec, has gained influence within the organization; he received a big promotion last September. Do you see any evidence of his influence in the Cards' personnel decisions?
More in the minor leagues. I've spoken with Jeff several times and find his open mind to new thinking refreshing. I think he's a big part of the Cards blended approach, one that certainly seems to work. He's got a big task ahead of him, rebuilding a depleted farm system, but he's making strides.

The Cardinals brought back 7 everyday players, the entire bench, most of the bullpen, and (counting Mulder) three-fifths of the rotation from an 83-win team. What's the biggest reason to be optimistic? Or is there one?
They were good last year and play in a crappy division. They have Albert Pujols and no one else does.

Ostensibly, Looper is just keeping a spot warm in the rotation until Mulder returns. When Mulder does return, what are the odds that he's worse than Looper?
Well, then you have Ryan Franklin. It's a mix-and-match approach, and I'm not yet buying into Kip Wells suddenly becoming a real pitcher either, despite Duncan's track record. I'd expect Mulder to be league average with some struggles when he returns. I've been hearing May, but I think that's a bit fast. Not as bad as Colon, but fast. Getting him back for the stretch run and the playoffs is much more important. No one in this division is going to run away and hide.

Which word more accurately describes the Cards' reticence on the free-agent market this winter: a) wise or b) cheap? Would the answer be different if they hadn't won it all in 2006?
I don't think we know now. Did it make sense to pass up seemingly high rates this year or will next year's market be even more inflated? Is there better talent available or will they develop their own cheap talent? Can they continue to get undervalued assets on the cheap like Preston Wilson or Adam Kennedy? All these are things we only know in hindsight. Right now, we know that the Cards certainly seem to have enough to contend, but there are also a lot of things that could go wrong. No team has a better track record of mid-season adjustments, so I'd say that even if it goes off track early, they can adjust. I still think they're the favorite to win this division, even though I think the Brewers have a better team.

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Good stuff LB
Nice interview.

With the glut of pen guys and OF-ers I can't believe a trade wasn't worked out. Of course who is/was going to trade for Juan, So, Preston or Skippy?

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2007 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Why don't we have...
the commodities to get Lieber? Isn't Looper, Rincon, and a minor leaguer enough. The buzz, which of course could be quite wrong, includes names like Kevin Mench...

Yes, I know now that Garcia is hurt they want to keep him, but that Philly bullpen is absolutely dreadful...

Acquire any Established Major League Starter!

by guayzimi on Mar 29, 2007 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Lieber
You know, I understand that some teams need pitchers.   But, I don't get why anyone would give up good prospects for him.

He's 37.  ZiPS projects him at 193 innings of 4.43 ERA with 114:33 K/BB and 213 hits.

I actually believe we have commodities better than Lieber (like Thompson).   It would be a mistake for the Cardinals to give up anything for him.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 29, 2007 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you honestly believe...
that Wells, the two kids, Looper/Mulder AND Brad Thompson are all likely to beat 193 innings pitched and a 4.43 era? I'm all for optimism but haven't we seen enough baseball to know that rarely a season goes by without a pitching blow up or two?

Of course, Lieber could blow up more or less as easily as anyone else, but I don't think sending Looper, Rincon, and a mid-level prospect to Philly constitutes giving up much... The Phillies have a truly terrible bullpen, which is the only reason they might go for something like this. They're going north with, among others, Ryan Madsen, Antonio Alfonseca, someone named Clay Condrey, and only one lefty - Matt Smith - who has all of 21 innings to his name.

Acquire any Established Major League Starter!

by guayzimi on Mar 29, 2007 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree any pitcher can blow up.
And, I think statistically the odds are in favor of Wells, Reyes, Wainer and Thompson outperforming Lieber.   Looper, not so much, but we already have a replacement in Thompson and our younger choices who might develop by mid-season.   It would be a waste of payroll space and a waste of commodities we could trade for something better mid-season (like a bat or a better pitcher).

by RedbirdRay on Mar 29, 2007 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another great read!
Thanks again, LB! 3 days, 3DAYS!!!!! AHHH!!!

I do have a quick question, if I decide to get mlb.tv, can I watch the games later or is it just a live feed? I can see myself losing sleep for a big series here and there, but waking up early every single day to catch the games seems like too much. I know I can download individual games from mlb, but if I purchase mlb.tv can I download them as part of the cost? Thanks guys! Interviews like this and Luhnow interview make it almost feel like I'm at home!

by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 29, 2007 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks, CF in Iraq
thanks for reading; thanks for serving. you can watch the mlb.tv games any time you want; there's a live feed, and then the broadcast gets archived and is available for download ever after to subscribers, as part of your fee. it'd be a good solution for you.

by lboros on Mar 29, 2007 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!
Looks like I'll be doing that then! I do have blackout worries though. I only live 40 mins from the STL back home and I've heard that the zip code on your card is what's  used to decide if you are in the blackout are or not. I'll have to look into that or shoot an email to mlb. Thanks again!  

by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 29, 2007 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right about
the zip code issue.  I had the same problem last year.  However, there is a solution available.  You'll need to call the MLB.tv hotline and explain your situation (I was out of town on business alot). They'll step you through a process that installs a temporary 'token' on your pc.  This token will override the blackout.  Be warned,  the customer service is terrible.  I was on hold for hours last year trying to get this exception.  Also, I think the token needs to be renewed monthly.  
If you don't have time to mess with all this, just give a friend some cash and use his/her credit card.
Oh, and stay safe over there.

by _pistol_ on Mar 29, 2007 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLB TV
I've had a different experience with blackouts. I live in South Carolina and used a credit card from  a North Carolina bank for my account.

But I was told my MLB that what matters is the IP address of the system you are using to access the broadcast.

Real-life example: The Braves are the local team in my area so I receive Cardinal games unless they are playing the Braves. That's as long as I'm at home or work or most Wi-Fi hotspots. But if I go to Panera Bread to have a cup of coffee and use their free Wi-Fi, the Cards are blacked out no matter who they are playing. Why? Because Panera Bread is based in Maryland Heights, Mo., so its IP is based in the Cardinals blackout zone. It doesn't matter if you are at a Panera Bread in St. Louis or South Carolina. I called MLB to inquire and they said this was the case.

by 10worldchamps on Mar 29, 2007 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blackouts
I thought most of the blackouts last year were due to national broadcast on FOX.  I spend half my time in Florida or elsewhere, and realized I should've tried using the company card to get a Florida zip, but wasn't sure it would help anyways.  Still not convinced.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 29, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, the Saturday blackouts
were because of Fox, since they own the sole rights to Saturday day games. Other than that, the blackouts are based on your "home" team. I have two of them; the O's and the Nats. My cable system carries the Comcast station that carries the O's games, but has yet to pick up the new MASN2, which will carry the Nats games. So, I'm screwed when the Cards play them.

by cardsrul on Mar 29, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in Baltimore and I
can't even get the O's on MASN w/o signing up for it.  Oh well, that means more trips to Camden and RFK (what a relic!) for me.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

IP
Well then couldn't you avoid this altogether by bouncing your access off of a proxy server?

by jeff abs on Mar 29, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Proxy
Now you've surpassed my computer knowledge. Can you explain?

by 10worldchamps on Mar 29, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...
A proxy server is a computer that offers a computer network service to allow clients to make indirect network connections to other network services.

So, in laymans terms, you go to a website (we'll call it website #1.com) and that website (#1) allows you to view another website (website #2.com) w/out it looking like you are on website #2.

I'd imagine (b/c I use to do it for the man) that most (99%-ish) are blocked for cardsfaniraq (at least when he's in Iraq) and probably are wherever you work, too. Us IT jerks are crafty.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2007 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

basically
all outgoing requests are sent through another access point. So if someone were monitoring your internet usage, all they would see is a bunch of requests to the proxy. So if you did this and tried to access MLB TV they would be going off of the IP of the proxy, not your own.

by jeff abs on Mar 29, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you already purchased the plan?
Please contact me off-board at lawman3842@yahoo.com - I may be able to help.

by lawman3842 on Mar 29, 2007 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

email
Lawman, I sent you an email, be on the lookout for it. Hopefully it didn't hit your junk mail box.

by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 30, 2007 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good interview
though my impression of the Cards organization is changing. While AAA might not be full of the best prospects, to say the Cards have nothing to offer and nothing to splice into the outfield is simply wrong. Seems like Will's thoughts on the depth of the farm system is a few years off.

This season is a big one for the Cardinals, one in which they hope to see another SP (Hawksworth) and another outfielder (Ankiel) step forward to fit into the team in 2008. The 2007 and 2008 years might be rough as the Cards try to ride out the last years of the big 3 before putting together the younger core they seek so they can spend the big money on another free agent bat and signign Albert long term.

I deffinatly feel this is a transitional time in the organization, as the team rejects spending big on the rotation, hopping that by 2009 they will have a home grown starting four + Carpenter and maybe some good young and productive outfielders (Jay, Rasmus, Duncan).

by JMedwick on Mar 29, 2007 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the real problem here
Is that it seems like we have to have one or more 22/23-year-old studs ready to step into ML roles for us to get any outside credit for a productive minor league system. (I know that's not entirely true and I exaggerate a bit to illustrate my point.)

The Cardinals' previous reliance on college-age players limits our ability to field young talent in the big leagues right now. This has been alleviated with the adjusted draft strategy exhibited the last few years and the emergence of players such as Colby Rasmus for our future.

And the purpose of the farm system is not to crank out all-star level talent - that's the hope, not the stated plan. The purpose is to provide cheap, younger players to lessen the dependence on expensive free agents. If Memphis can spit out a few useful players per season that prevents us from spending $3.5M on a middle-relief pitcher, $5M on a 3rd/4th option for the outfield, or whatever, that leaves more money to invest in the gems that we can develop or bring in from other sources.

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 29, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with your characterization about
the purpose of the farm system.  It is to provide us with cheap, younger players but it is supposed to turn out stars as well.  Players tend to be vastly underpaid when they're younger and vastly overpaid when they're older.  We know that those "expensive free agents" are largely paid based on what they've done rather than what they're likely to do.  So, generally, it's not cost-effective to spend a lot of $$ on expensive free agents, i.e.:  stars.

So where do we get our All-Star talent from?  We can't be a perenially successful franchise without it.  We need players like Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds and Carpenter and, as LB I think correctly states in his hardball times piece, it's going to be nearly impossible to pull of the Rolen and Edmonds-like trades now and in the future.  Carp was lightning in a bottle.  Therefore, our stars absolutely MUST come from our farm system.  It's there to provide depth but, without stars, those "depth-type" players end up being our starters and we end up a .500 ballclub at best.  We have to have stars and getting them through our farm system is, by far, the best avenue available to us or any team, for that matter.

by chuckb on Mar 29, 2007 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true, but
I think there's value in paying a couple extra million for an All-Star free agent, whereas that same extra million or two for a backup outfielder hurts more.

Sure, the more All-Stars we can cultivate from within, the better, as the best values to be found are the guys emerge quickly while they're still making less than a mil a year (see Pujols, Albert circa '01-'03).  But even if you can only develop guys like a Spiezio or Kennedy, that's just as helpful, and a more realistic goal.  Each dollar you save on those lesser roles can be applied to (at least try) snagging the next big free agent, or even signing that rare homegrown superstar to a long-term deal after he's reached arbitration/free agency years.

by john vb on Mar 29, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point
Was saying that they aren't supposed to be churning out all-star prospects. The system should spit one out every 2-3 years, not a requirement to spit out 2-3 every year. That is just an unattainable expectation.

I fully expect our farm system to produce quality players, 1-2 major contributors every year. We should be able to pull most of our "spare parts" from our minors, and that doesn't include stocking up on 30-year-old AAAA ex-prospects & having them fill out the roster in Memphis.

I'm not saying we should subscribe to a philosophy where we think we can, at will, take a handful of fringe prospects, combine them into 4-for-1 trade package, and get in return a HOF-quality centerfielder, first baseman, or third baseman. It obviously can't work consistantly, not anymore. My beef was that our system was being judged unfairly because, while we weren't blessed with a top-10 quality, drafted-out-of-high-school stud on a yearly basis, the farm system still produced quality players that could fill holes otherwise populated by $2M+ free agents with no discernible advantage other than exceptional "veteranosity". (Whether those young players have been deployed in an optimal manner - versus hired mercenaries - in this regime is another matter entirely.)

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 29, 2007 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

expecting the system to produce quality players
They do. Just about every year.

Yadi, Albert, Kennedy, Duncan, Wainer, Reyes, Looper, Skip, So, TJ, Kinney, Flores, Thompson (plus  the replacement level players in Memphis: Narvie, J-Rod, Ankiel, et al) and the few uber-prospects in Springfield (Perez, Rasmus, Hawk), all are or were, at one point in time, part of the Cardinals farm system.

I honestly don't understand how your system can have those results over the recent past and be deemed a failure.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't consider them a failure
I was talking about outside sources, with their organizational rankings shortchanging the Cardinals and considering them among the worst franchises. I think they have done an admirable job producing players that can be used to have quality players on the major league squad. In the past, a lot of those minor leaguers have been used to acquire all-stars from other teams. And a lot of the players dealt away never amounted to much; some did, most of them didn't.

I think the Cardinals do a fine job producing young talent, especially considering our average draft position. I just think that they don't get enough credit from the various media groups.

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 29, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry man
I was trying to back you up... didn't mean to sound as if I was challenging you for leadership of the clan.

Me and my stupid tact. Fucking tact!

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No harm done
In my first post, I left some doubt as to what my point was. It was rightly questioned and I responded to it to make myself clear. No problem.

When you left your comment, I rushed to defend myself when I didn't need to. You didn't say anything that should've sparked an aggressive response. I just thought I left myself open to further scrutiny when I felt I had sewn it up sufficiently.

To use paraphrased military terminology, I was at a heightened state of readiness and mistakenly fired on friendlies, misjudging their intentions. Sorry.

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 30, 2007 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before last year
I wouldn't have called more than 3 of those guys Major Leaguers.  I think the complaints against the Cards farm system have subsided in the last year after seeing all those guys come up.

And while Taguchi did spend time in our farm system, I certainly wouldn't call him a product of said farm system.  Same goes for Kinney... wait, scratch that.  I was under the impression that he was only recently acquired from the Gateway Grizzlies.  Then I looked up his stats at thebaseballcube.com, and I see he only pitched 3 games for them, and that was way back in '01.  The feel-good articles I read about his ascension to the majors were really misleading apparently.

Still, you make a good point, it's easy to forget guys that were developed in house but wound up elsewhere in the major leagues - Kennedy, Morris, Drew...

by john vb on Mar 29, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
lazy sportswriters made it seem like Kinney was pumping gas at the shell outside of TR Hughes Ballpark last May and had never even heard of this "based ball."

So and Wainer, while both being somewhat proven comodities, didn't prove themselves as ballplayers (and Adam at least had the stuff well before he got to the org) until they started working in the minors.

I know it's not the best minor league system in baseball (but then again, who is? We just won the world series with a lot of home grown talent), but they are doing something right down there.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree on Taguchi
I would call him a product of our farm system b/c, if you recall, when he arrived he was less than we expected.  He had to be sent down and turned into a major league player in the minors.  Because our AAA coaches helped him become a major leaguer, I'd call him a product of our system.  He's certainly not in the traditional sense, but our farm system is at least part of the reason he made it.

by chuckb on Mar 29, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I agree with most
if not all of this.  You're right that it's unreasonable to produce multiple all-stars every year but that an all-star every couple or 3 years should be the goal.  

One additional thing I should have mentioned in my post is that I do agree with the gist of it and that my disagreement was a little nitpicky.  I agree that our system is judged unfairly b/c it hasn't produced many all-stars.  It should get some credit for turning out depth and bench players and it should get some credit for producing the prospects that Walt has turned into Vina, Edmonds, McGwire, Kile, Edmonds, and others.

by chuckb on Mar 29, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Transition
All things considered, with this being the "transition time" for the Cardinals it couldn't have come at a better time in the NL Central.  

They may have the resources to win the division for a couple more years while they wait for some of the kids to make their way up. That wouldn't have been the case a few years back.

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by jbacott on Mar 29, 2007 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Read!
Nice one! Lets start the season already!

by birdsonthehat on Mar 29, 2007 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Great read, LB
This Juan injury/Edmonds uncertainy looks perfect for opening a spot for Andruw Jones in CF and Edmonds in RF.

A lineup after midseason of:

Eckstein
Duncan
Pujols
Jones
Rolen
Edmonds
Molina
Kennedy

would be dangerous.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 29, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...
I did a double take on that, too.

And here I thought he was overvalued...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 29, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

HBT
The hardball times interview was great.  You found a concise way of saying what I've been dribbling to my cubs-fans friends for the last four months.  Its hard to fathom just how bad a portion of the team was last year.  

by Jonathan23 on Mar 29, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Great for this quote alone!
"Whatever; we Cardinal fans are used to it. La Russa and Dave Duncan have been together almost 25 years, and, like any couple that's been married that long, they gotta resort to some kinky stuff sometimes to keep up their interest."

by sdrone on Mar 29, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

But also for tidbits like this
"Chris Carpenter and Jeff Suppan were the only Cardinal starters with ERAs under 5.00 last year; in the 97 starts not made by those two players, the rotation's combined ERA was 5.74. Over 97 games. If this year's starters can shave that 97-game ERA down to 5.00--not exactly a pie-in-the-sky wish--the Cardinals will save 40 runs."

Great article.

by sdrone on Mar 29, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep -
It will be hard for this rotation to pitch worse throughout the year than last year's rotation.  

I don't see this team winning less than 85 games this year, as long as we aren't decimated by injury.    We'd have to play pretty mediocre ball throughout, as it's pretty unlikely that we'll go through 2 8-game losing streaks again.  

I just don't see that happening.  We have too many superstars and good professional role players.

by silent_bob on Mar 29, 2007 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pour some rum and light a cigar
Saying things like "It will be hard for this rotation to pitch worse.." gets the baseball gods stirring.

by rmerrill on Mar 29, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

<THUNDERCLAP>
SilentBob's words make Jobu angry!
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 29, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you guys saying
that Jesus Christ couldnt hit a curveball?
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe
JC could have hit the curve that Beltran couldn't. I guess we are lucky that he wasn't on the team.

by stl4all on Mar 30, 2007 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and
a run saved is a run earned. Right?

If a couple of the bats wake up, this could be a very good team.

by Red in Chicago on Mar 29, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Duncan and Edmonds
I don't think it's crazy to hope for a combined line from the two of 800-900 ABs and 850-ish OPS.  I think the production would be close to a given if they can stay on the field.  Anyways, I think the ABs is pretty realistic because they combined for 630 last year with Edmonds missing a lot of time and Duncan only being there half a season.

That would represent a little bit of Duncan returning to earth or Edmonds returning to form, but wouldn't require an all-star year from either.  If you can get that out of 2 outfield spots, then anything good you get out of RF becomes a welcome luxury.

If this happens, it would take a lot of things going bad for this team not to win 90 games.

by CardFaninVA on Mar 29, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Job Larry
I thought your contribution was much more informative than the Cubs and Astros sections (not bashing them, yours was much more informative).  

I agree about the SP "dilemma."  Many forget how tattered and battered our rotation was last year, outside of Carp.  Suppan falls under the "battered" category, IMHO.  I only worry about health - both with the position players that Larry talked about - and with our young arms reaching the 180 - 200 IP level.

by silent_bob on Mar 29, 2007 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Jrod
I hardly knew you...

Nice interview as always, LB.

I can't help but think that the cardinals aren't taking their best 5 bench players.  If they are so bound and determined to keep skip than why did they retain Wilson and Taguchi... This just seems like a bad idea.

ARGH - I'm so frustrated right now I can't even think. . .

John Rodriguez for Right Field

by azruavatar on Mar 29, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe
it is because if you carry JRod and Skip you would only have one right-handed hitting OF.  Besides the speez.  Also Jrod's defense is sub-par....Of course so was the Gooches last year...

by gonzostl on Mar 29, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard to argue
with a dude that puts up the spring that schumaker did (.391/.465/.565).  JRod just got outhit.  

Anyone want do an over/under on when we see JRod again?  I say May 16th.

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Mar 29, 2007 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

arguing with schumaker
making the team isn't hard (danup where are you -- this is your personal crusade not mine).

It's called a .729 career OPS in the minors. . .

John Rodriguez for Right Field

by azruavatar on Mar 29, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say...
with Edmonds' health J-Rod is back by 4/30. The problem with J-rod is that he does what Speez and Dunc do, only not as well. I don't think it's necessary to carry all three of those guys... then again it's also not necessary to have Skip and Taguchi on the same roster either.

As for your sig, weren't you the acquire Jason Schmidt guy? Maybe you should try broadening your demands as I have done... How about: "Someone better than So Taguchi for Right Field!"  

Acquire any Established Major League Starter!

by guayzimi on Mar 29, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Job
I agree that those two pieces of writing were very educational. Nice job as always.

Now as for when we see J Rod, I say once around May 5th or so and then once again right before the trade deadline to bait him out there a little. I expect him to have high numbers in Memphis this year which will increase the chances we trade him to bring in that impact player lboros was talking about around the trade deadline.

Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 29, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

How healthy can you expect a team to be?
To quote Larry from that post: "To sum it up, the Cardinals are counting on better health"

I know we had players hurt last night, and if healthy we would have done better... obviously.  

So yeah, it seems like going into this year we appear to be hoping that everyone stays healthy and then we can win.  Well, couldn't the same be said for any team?    Are there any measurable statistics for "team health"?   Maybe like percent of salary spent on the DL?  

I just wonder how what our chances might be of actually being healthier this year.  

by redbird2006in on Mar 29, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I've seen numbers like
number of total DL days for the team, number of starting pitchers used, number of starting position players used (at each position or cumulatively). Some combination of salary*days on the DL is an interesting idea; I haven't seen it, but I'm sure someone's done it.

I don't have the numbers but the Cards were definitely high up on the list of NL teams last year in DL days, and the impact was even bigger if you factor in the value of the players (Pujols, Edmonds, Mulder, Izzy...). The real situation was arguably somewhat worse than those numbers suggest because Mulder and Izzy both played hurt for so long, as did Edmonds to a lesser extent.

I don't feel like they have an especially injury-prone roster, so I'd like to think that last year was just very bad luck (plus some bad decisions in playing injured people) rather than the normal expectation for this team. I'm sure someone with more time on their hands and more stats smarts could quantify the overall team injury expectations using Positional Health Reports and other such things....

by BTown Birds fan on Mar 29, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instead of crunching
numbers I'm just going to crunch the index and middle fingers of each hand together behind my back every time JEd bats, Izzy pitches and Rolen collides with a baserunner or infielder.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, nice defense Chris
Duncan misplays ball in LF, scoring ensues.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 29, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan
may have redeemed himself.

by _pistol_ on Mar 29, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

please explain
for those of us stuck at work.
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Mar 29, 2007 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan Gloves it at the Wall
Shannon thought it might have been his best fielding play this spring.  Just after he raved over another good play by scotty.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 29, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy returns!!!!
He finally got his first hit today and it drove in a run!
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 29, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

It was an excuse me double
nice to see, of course, but it barely scooted in and he got to 2nd on the doubleclutched throw to home by Ramirez.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 29, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, if you really wanted to
attack slugging sabermetrically, you'd have to create a new category for "cheap" XBHs and discount them in some way.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you discount "cheap" XBH's
they still move base runners. If someone has a propensity to get a lot of these type hits you may not rely on the continued production, but you shouldn't discount the value.  In the same way that pitchers who have a tendency to give up a lot of unearned runs shouldn't be given a pass based on their ERA.  If you consistently move up runners, who cares how you do it.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Mar 29, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not dissing cheap, believe me.
But if you really want to build a scouting report on a hitter, you want to know which guys hit screaming doubles off the walls, and which guys dink the ball in behind third base and run like hell to 2nd.  Or which guys single with dribblers up the middle and which guys hit line drives.  I guess there is some tracking of line-drive percentage, which could be used to complete this picture.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

LD%
As mentioned, Line Drive % helps do that.  I guess it's a little too new for widespread use.  I would assume, w/o doing any research that someone's OPS will fall if their LD% decreases (or their Cheap Hit % CH%) increases.  It will sort of take care of itself.  A bunch of cheap hits will raise someone's OPS above their established level and it will be seen as an outlier.

by OBPplusSLG on Mar 29, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

pinch runner for Albert
no physical reason I hope.  He come into 2nd gimpy or something?

by rmerrill on Mar 29, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure...
That he's made the team. No sense injuring him in the last Grapefruit game running the bases when there are other player who need AB's.

by liam on Mar 29, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's what happened,
then great.  It's just that I saw "Albert Pujols doubled to right field.  Offensive substitution, Aaron Miles replaces Alber Pujols." and immediately thought hamstring.

by rmerrill on Mar 29, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This pisses me off:
"There was obviously some smoke last year around the Grimsley case, but until [Pujols] fails a test, he's got to be given some measure of trust."

I wonder if Mr. Carroll has seen this:

http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/a-deeply-regrettable-wrong-204519.php

by Speedy G on Mar 29, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course he hasn't
(joking).

No one has.   No one ever sees the corrections.

by sdrone on Mar 29, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought
Maybe his comment that there was "some smoke" alluded to the fact that it wound up to be incorrect, i.e. proving the opposite of the old adage "where there's smoke, there's fire" in the instance of Pujols.

by john vb on Mar 29, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so fast, The LA Times was wrong too ...
according to federal prosecutors, and Deadspin issued their correction based on the LA Times information.  

So I don't think there is any firm evidence as to whether Pujols is in or out of the federal investigation/Grimsley testimony.

by enoscountry on Mar 29, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 K's for Kip
Leave Lieber in Philly.  He's only thrown 8 innings this spring, couldn't say why.  But our pitching is doing well and we have some depth in talent.  If we need to trade for a player, I'd use the limited bait for a flycatcher with an arm and a bat.

And those starters that left our rotation decimated??

                era    hr    ip
weaver     8.31   4     13.0
marquis    5.40   5     18.1
suppan     4.86   4     16.2

net gain for the good guys.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 29, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Marquis will be a joy to watch this year
I'm almost more excited about watching his Wrigley starts than I am about watching Cards games. Almost.

Anyway, he and Weaver will both be DFAd in August if we need them. You know, pinch runner or something.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and me both, baby
I miss rooting for Sosa to K, but now I can root for Marquis to give up runs!

by sdrone on Mar 29, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I'm legitimately excited to not only see Marquis face the Cardinals, but to face anyone.  I'm glued to just how bad he can get now.  The schadenfreuden joy I'm going to draw from watching him get shelled for the Cubs is going to be great.

I made what I think is a pretty easy 50 bucks by betting someone that Kip Wells will have a lower ERA than Marquis this year.

Pujols > God

by joker24 on Mar 29, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I fully expect Marquis
to return to being his middling self again this year ... you know, 13-12, 195 IP, 4.50 ERA.  Not that I won't enjoy the shellings he does have, of course.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 29, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just
to be fair. All 3 of those pitchers are pitching in the Cactus league. Take a look at all of the offensive stats out there versus the Grapefruit league stats.  The ball is just flying out there, even worse than in Colorado.  So the stats may be really really misleading.

by FanInNY on Mar 29, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was this mentioned yet?
Marrero has been assigned to Memphis

http://www1.tcpalm.com/tcp/pro_baseball/article/0,2820,TCP_24442_5450212,00.html

I didn't see this discussed here or at the Dispatch.  He has tendinitis in his elbow.

by enoscountry on Mar 29, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome post Lbo.
....as usual.  I get more good info and insightful analysis from VEB than from all the big-name websites and newspapers combined.  Thanks!

by Archaeopteryx on Mar 29, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

What do we make of Wells' K rate?
He has almost 9 k/9 in ST!  Is he going to be a high K guy?  I guess I thought he was the "sinkerballer" G/O guy.  Should we be excited yet?
to crush your enemies, to see them driven before you....and to hear the lamentation of the women!

by cardsnutincali on Mar 29, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

ideally
he'd be both

but I'd settle for an either-or

John Rodriguez for Right Field

by azruavatar on Mar 29, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone at Yahoo Sports is high on Yadi
Among the predictions for new All Stars by a columnist named Stan McNeal, from http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=barrymetricpressure&prov=tsn&type=lgns
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3. Cardinals C Yadier Molina. The confidence he gained in his offense last postseason coupled with his already Gold Glove-caliber defense indicate he's ready to be a perennial All-Star -- maybe starting as soon as this season.
-----

This reporter was one of several who picked Yadi to be the Cards' 2007 offensive breakout player in the VEB "Predicting 2007 wins" diary in February (alright, not a terribly bold prediction, given his awful luck and amazing postseason in 2006):
http://vivaelbirdos.com/story/2007/2/14/14450/4410

Here's hoping we're all right!

by BTown Birds fan on Mar 29, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh...
The Post Dispatch has a note this morn that Larry Walker and Cal Eldred will both be getting World Series rings.

I demand Will Clark gets one too.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 30, 2007 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

And Mike Matheny
and Reggie Sanders and Matty Mo.

by plh903 on Mar 30, 2007 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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