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Elimination Game (Added Poll)

Update3: Check out the poll.(End Update)

Update2: Just to clarify, once a player drops off the list, they are off for the rest of the game. (End Update)

Update: Since there are several players on the list, it would be virtually impossible to actually knock them all off with just each person voting once. Let's not stuff the proverbial ballot box (i.e. don't comment 20 times in a row) but I think voting once a day is totally reasonable. Now that some of the obvious villains are out, I'm interested to see how the rest shakes out. (End Update)

So I was bouncing around the internet procrastinating on going to the gym and doing my engineering homework, and I stumbled across what looks like it could be a fun game.  It's really simple.  I've created a list from the last 5 years of the more notable Cardinal players (apologies to the Ray King's and Tony Womack's of the Cardinal legacy).  Each player starts out with 10 points.

The game works like this.  Each commenter adds ONE point AND subtracts ONE point from any two players they want.  You have to do both.  When a player reaches 0 points, they're out.  I think it will be fun to see who gets the boot first and such.

Or this thread will flop horribly and no one will care.  In any event, it's Februrary and a few more weeks till pitchers and catchers report. Just place your plus and minus next to the person's name and change their point total.  (Watch out for comments that overlap...they could be problematic)

10 - Pujols
10 - Rolen
10 - Edmonds
10 - Carpenter
10 - Marquis
10 - Suppan
10 - Izzy
10 - Morris
10 - Lankford
10 - Matheny
10 - Renteria
10 - Drew
10 - T. Martinez

I've got some villains in there and some obvious heroes...  There isn't any rigorous rules to how you vote.  If you want to take a point off Pujols, more power to you.  Also, I know that this list leaves off a lot of Cardinal players but otherwise it takes forever.

Poll
Chose the one that's closest to your views:
Please, please, I never want to see this game again.
10 votes
I would comment in a historical Cardinal version of this game
35 votes
I would comment in a Cardinal prospect version of this game.
15 votes

60 votes | Poll has closed

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here we go
11 - Edmonds(+)
10 - Pujols
10 - Rolen
10 - Carpenter
10 - Suppan
10 - Izzy
10 - Morris
10 - Lankford
10 - Matheny
10 - Renteria
10 - Drew
10 - T. Martinez
9 - Marquis(-)

by azruavatar on Feb 3, 2007 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

I'm game
11 - Edmonds
11 - Rolen (+)
10 - Pujols
10 - Carpenter
10 - Suppan
10 - Izzy
10 - Morris
10 - Lankford
10 - Matheny
10 - Drew
10 - T. Martinez
9 - Marquis
9 - Renteria (-)
Opening Night 2007, here I come!

by gforce on Feb 3, 2007 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

i'll play
11 - Edmonds
11 - Rolen
11 - Pujols (+)
10 - Carpenter
10 - Suppan
10 - Izzy
10 - Morris
10 - Lankford
10 - Matheny
10 - Drew
9 - T. Martinez (-)
9 - Marquis
9 - Renteria

by lboros on Feb 3, 2007 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

i'm in
11 - Edmonds
11 - Rolen
12 - Pujols (+)
10 - Carpenter
10 - Suppan
10 - Izzy
10 - Morris
10 - Lankford
10 - Matheny
10 - Drew
8 - T. Martinez (-)
9 - Marquis
9 - Renteria

by sdesserman on Feb 3, 2007 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

yup
12 - Edmonds (+)
11 - Rolen
12 - Pujols
10 - Carpenter
10 - Suppan
10 - Izzy
10 - Morris
10 - Lankford
10 - Matheny
9 - Drew (-)
7 - T. Martinez (-)
9 - Marquis
9 - Renteria

Tino's on the fast track..  can't believe drew lasted 5 comments without getting dinged!  How many people have to vote before we go around again?

"...in winter, when there's no baseball... I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by SleepyCA on Feb 3, 2007 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Sure I'm in....
12-Edmonds
12-Rolen
12-Pujols
10-Carp
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Matheny
10-Renteria (plus 1)
9-Marquis
8-Drew (minus 1)
7- Tino

by Brock20 on Feb 3, 2007 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

here it is
12-Edmonds
12-Rolen
12-Pujols
11-Carp (plus 1)
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Matheny
10-Renteria
9-Marquis
8-Drew
6- Tino (minus 1)

by Stanfan6 on Feb 3, 2007 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

here goes
13 Pujols
12 Edmonds
12 Rolen
10 Carp
10 Supp
10 Izzy
10 Morris
10 Lankford
10 Matheny
10 Renteria
 9 Marquis
 8 Drew
 6 Tino
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Feb 3, 2007 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

oops, stan fan beat me to it
but our results were the same ...
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Feb 3, 2007 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

All right then
12-Edmonds
12-Rolen
12-Pujols
(11)-Carp +1
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Matheny
10-Renteria
(8)-Marquis -1
8-Drew
7- Tino
"The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had borne as I best could, but when he ventured upon insult, I vowed revenge."

by iron duke75 on Feb 3, 2007 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

yo dude
12-Edmonds
12-Rolen
(13)-Pujols +1
11-Carp
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Matheny
10-Renteria
8-Marquis
8-Drew
(6)-Tino -1

by alecoholics on Feb 3, 2007 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

damn
pujols is on top now, my bad
(13)-Pujols
12-Edmonds
12-Rolen
11-Carp
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Matheny
10-Renteria
8-Marquis
8-Drew
6-Tino

by alecoholics on Feb 3, 2007 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Tino should have five....
between StanFan and Matty Fred he gained an extra one back.  If Matty Fred meant to have his count, becaue they are not in the list currently, Tino would have four.  

Pujols 14
Tino 4

Should be the proper update.  

by Brock20 on Feb 3, 2007 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

im in
13-Pujols 12-edmonds 12-rolen +1 11-Carp 10-Supp 10-Izzy 10-Morris 10-RayRay 10-Matheny -1 10-renteria 8-Marquis 8-Drew 6-Tino
St. louis Cardinals; 2006 World Series Champions!

by Cardkid14 on Feb 3, 2007 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

i think this is now current:
14-Pujols
13-Rolen
12-Edmonds
11-Carp
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
8-Marquis
8-Drew
4-Tino

by lboros on Feb 3, 2007 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

Here I go
15-Pujols (+)
13-Rolen
12-Edmonds
11-Carp
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
7-Marquis (-)
8-Drew
4-Tino

by Chicago Cardinals on Feb 3, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Here's Mine
15-Pujols
13-Rolen
13-Edmonds +
11-Carp
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
7-Marquis
7-Drew  -    Nancy Drew is the biggest disappointment on the list
4-Tino

by whatapartier on Feb 3, 2007 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Carp needs more credit
15-Pujols
13-Rolen
13-Edmonds
12-Carp +
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
7-Marquis
7-Drew
3-Tino -
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Feb 3, 2007 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

my turn
15-Pujols
13 - Rolen
13 - Edmonds
12 - Carpenter
11 - Izzy (+1)
10 - Ray
10 - Edgar
10 - MattyMo
9 - Soup (-1)
9 - Matheny
7 - Marquis
7 - Drew
3 - TIno

It's time somebody took Soup a peg down or two, and the team career saves leader get some more credit.

by sjoshi on Feb 3, 2007 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

I agree - viva el Carpo!
15-Pujols
13-Carp +
13-Rolen
13-Edmonds
10-Supp
10-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
7-Drew
6-Marquis -
3-Tino

by BTown Birds fan on Feb 3, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

oops - overlapped w/ sjoshi
15-Pujols
13-Carp +
13-Rolen
13-Edmonds
11-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Supp
9-Matheny
7-Drew
6-Marquis -
3-Tino

by BTown Birds fan on Feb 3, 2007 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

Hey when did Matheny take a hit?
Shouldn't he still have 10? Did I miss it somewhere?

by BTown Birds fan on Feb 3, 2007 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks
I just saw the "10" there still - missed the "-1"

by BTown Birds fan on Feb 3, 2007 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep
15-Pujols
14-Carp (+)
13-Rolen
13-Edmonds
11-Izzy
10-Morris
10-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Supp
9-Matheny
7-Drew
5-Marquis (-)
3-Tino

by El Hombre on Feb 3, 2007 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

ok
izzy 10 -

matheny 10 +

Evident The Wash.

by brock on Feb 3, 2007 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

ok
15-Pujols
15-Carp
13-Rolen
13-Edmonds
10-Izzy
10-Morris
11-Lankford (+)
10-Renteria
9-Supp
10-Matheny
6-Drew
5-Marquis
2-Tino (-)
Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together...it's Arrested Development.

by Bowen on Feb 3, 2007 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

my turn
15-Pujols
15-Carp
13-Rolen
13-Edmonds
11-the underappreciated Izzy(+)
10-Morris
11-Lankford
10-Renteria
9-Supp
10-Matheny
6-Drew
5-Marquis
1-Tino (-) (Who wants to put him out of his misery?)

by DCGreg on Feb 3, 2007 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

Matty Mo deserves one
15 - Pujols
15 - Carp
13 - Rolen
13 - Edmonds
11 - Lankford
11 - Morris (+)
10 - Izzy
10 - Renteria
9 - Matheny (-) for cutting his hand on that f-ing knife; who knows re: Ankiel!?
9 - Supp
6 - Drew
5 - Marquis (he did help bring us Wainwright)
2 - Tino

by chuckb on Feb 3, 2007 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

oops
Izzy's back at 11
Tino's down to 1

by chuckb on Feb 3, 2007 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm up
15-Pujols
15-Carp
14-Edmonds (+1)
13-Rolen
11-Lankford
11-Morris
11-Izzy
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
9-Supp
6-Drew
4-Marquis (-1)
1-Tino

I think that is right..

by TICY on Feb 3, 2007 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Bye Tino
15-Pujols
15-Carp
14-Edmonds
13-Rolen
11-Lankford
11-Morris
11-Izzy
11-Renteria (+1)
9-Matheny
9-Supp
6-Drew
4-Marquis
0-Tino (-1)

by ncgostl on Feb 3, 2007 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

gotta stick it to jay dee
16-Pujols (+1)
15-Carp
14-Edmonds
13-Rolen
11-Lankford
11-Morris
11-Izzy
11-Renteria
9-Matheny
9-Supp
5-Drew (-1)
4-Marquis

by musial6 on Feb 3, 2007 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Screw Drew
Let's give Ray some credit for being the face Cardinals before Big Mac.  He carried us on his back for a while.

16-Pujols
15-Carp
14-Edmonds
13-Rolen
12-Lankford (+1)
11-Morris
11-Izzy
11-Renteria
9-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew (-1)
4-Marquis

by DJ4508 on Feb 3, 2007 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

carried us where?
Ray carried us in '97 before McGwire arrived, but we were never in contention for the postseason.

The '96 team had lots of key contributors, but if anyone put the team on his back and carried them it was Jordan, not Lankford.

My feelings on Sugar Ray are mixed in general. On one hand he never really lived up to his potential as a 5-tool player and always struck out too much. He fucked up his shoulder making a great catch and I certaintly can't fault him for that, but for much of his career it seemed as if he was at his best when the least was on the line. To this day, anytime anyone hits a meaningless HR in the 9th inning (or scores a meaningless TD in the 4th Quarter for that matter) I call it a "Ray Lankford Homerun".

Ray did have great range in the outfield, and he did have some very good years at the plate - but I can't help but think with his talent he should be headed to Cooperstwon w/ a World Series ring on his finger.

Still, he did hit more HRs at the old Busch Stadium than anyone else, even homering in his final career AB to help the 2004 Cardinals win their 105th game of the season. So he's got that going for him...which is nice.

by musial6 on Feb 4, 2007 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh...
on some of those early nineties teams, the only thing half worth watching was whether Tewksberry would be good, to see Ozzie, and Ray.  Those teams would have lost significantly more games without him.  

And with RISP, his stats actually improved over the course of his career, even if somewhat marginally.  Having Mark McGwire and his rock-like mobility constantly getting walked ahead of you is certainly something that will make you swing for the fences.

by Valatan on Feb 5, 2007 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No love for Strike Out Ray
But lotsa love for one of the best closers in baseball. Yes im talking about our own Mr. Izzy.

16-Pujols
15-Carp
14-Edmonds
13-Rolen
12-Izzy (+1)
11-Lankford (-1)
11-Morris
11-Renteria
9-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
4-Marquis

by stl3bagger on Feb 3, 2007 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

Ray is underrated
16-Pujols
15-Carp
14-Edmonds
13-Rolen
12-Izzy
12-Lankford (+1)
11-Morris
10-Renteria (-1)
9-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
4-Marquis

And EdGAR still draws my ire after his departure.

by Valatan on Feb 3, 2007 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

My 2 cents
17-Pujols (+1)
15-Carp
14-Edmonds
13-Rolen
12-Izzy
12-Lankford
11-Morris
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
3-Marquis (-1)

by jason095 on Feb 3, 2007 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting in my licks
17-Pujols
15-Carp
15-Edmonds +1
13-Rolen
11-Izzy -1
12-Lankford
11-Morris
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
3-Marquis

Edmonds - cause I'm still revved up from Valatan thread from a couple days ago.

Izzy - not cause of any true dislike but I owe him for at least ten cardiac episodes from 2006.

Summoning the Spirit of Jack Clark!

by Big Mike on Feb 4, 2007 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

My votes
17-Pujols
15-Carp
15-Edmonds
14-Rolen +1
12-Lankford
11-Izzy
11-Morris -1
10-Renteria
9-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
3-Marquis

Matty Mo was my guy for a very long time, until he went to SF...I have never liked that team.  I didnt like them when i was young because their jerseys are horrid...But i hate them now because i think the ownership is made up of a bunch of morons...and when i think of the Giants I think of A. Barry Bonds and then B. Losing Matty Mo and Mikey Matheney...
Stupid Giants

BLaw.

by Dttl89 on Feb 4, 2007 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

One goalie's opinion
17-Pujols
15-Carp
15-Edmonds
14-Rolen
12-Lankford
11-Izzy
11-Morris
10-Renteria
10-Matheny +1 (I've had two concussions myself... it's a darn shame his career had to end that way.)
9-Supp
4-Drew
2-Marquis -1 (Now, lemme get this straight... Leo Mazzone and Dave Duncan couldn't get Marquis to pitch any better... and Larry Freakin' Rothschild is gonna "fix" him???? Hoo boy...)
"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Feb 4, 2007 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

a
17-Pujols
15-Carp
15-Edmonds
14-Rolen
12-Lankford
11-Izzy
11-Morris
10-Renteria -1
10-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
3-Marquis +1 (from what I saw, Marquis seemed to be genuinely cheering for the cards during the World Series and having a great time, even though he wasn't pitching and the fans hated him.  that wins him a point in my book. )

by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Feb 4, 2007 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

forgot to change renteria
17-Pujols
15-Carp
15-Edmonds
14-Rolen
12-Lankford
11-Izzy
11-Morris
9 -Renteria -1
10-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
3-Marquis +1 (from what I saw, Marquis seemed to be genuinely cheering for the cards during the World Series and having a great time, even though he wasn't pitching and the fans hated him.  that wins him a point in my book. )

by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Feb 4, 2007 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

If only he could pitch...
I'm all for firing 'That One Guy' and designating Marquis as lead male cheerleader, but we paid him 5 million dollars to NOT SUCK at pitching and he failed miserably.

by musial6 on Feb 4, 2007 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Still the best all-around 3b in baseball
17-Pujols
15-Carp
15-Edmonds
15-Rolen +1
12-Lankford
11-Izzy
11-Morris
10-Renteria
10-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
2-Marquis -1

I remember back in '98 or '99, listening to the game on the radio and Shannon saying in regards to Rolen: "Wouldn't this guy look great in Cardinal red?"  How right he was.

by svengali on Feb 4, 2007 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Cool game
17-Pujols
16-Edmonds +1
15-Carp
15-Rolen
12-Lankford
11-Izzy
11-Morris
10-Renteria
10-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
1-Marquis -1

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 4, 2007 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Buh BYE
17-Pujols
17-Edmonds (+1)
15-Carp
15-Rolen
12-Lankford
11-Izzy
11-Morris
10-Renteria
10-Matheny
9-Supp
4-Drew
0-Marquis (-1)

I'd rather be kicked in the junk than watch Marqueen pitch another game for the Birds. Luckily for the boys, it's not going to come down to that. I always thought Jason would "look good" in Cubswear anyhow.

by plh903 on Feb 4, 2007 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Bye, Bye Marquis
17 Pujols
16 Edmonds
16 Rolen (+1)
15 Carp
12 Lankford
11 Izzy
11 Morris
10 Matheny
10 Renteria
9  Supp
4  Drew

eliminated J Marquis (-)

by michajo on Feb 4, 2007 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Well, I guess I got beat to the punch
17 Pujols
17 Edmonds
16 Rolen
15 Carp
12 Lankford
11 Izzy
11 Morris
10 Matheny
9  Renteria (-)
9  Supp
4  Drew

by michajo on Feb 4, 2007 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

'07 Cy Young
17 Pujols
17 Edmonds
16 Carp (+)
16 Rolen
12 Lankford
11 Izzy
11 Morris
10 Matheny
9  Renteria
9  Supp
3  Drew (-)
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Feb 4, 2007 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Next
18 Jed (+)
17 Pujols
16 Carp
12 Lankford
11 Izzy
11 Morris
10 Matheny
9 Renteria
8 Supp (-)
3 Drew

by OCCardsFan on Feb 4, 2007 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Renteria was good at the end
But I can't see Pujols fall behind Edmonds, and besides, there were 2-3 years that many of us Cardinal fans actually didn't know his name was Renteria, but actually though it was "E-6"

18 Jed
18 Pujols (+)
16 Carp
12 Lankford
11 Izzy
11 Morris
10 Matheny
8 Renteria (-)
8 Supp
3 Drew

too bad MArquis and Tino are already gone, I really wanted to go after them :(

by mtalken on Feb 4, 2007 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

Rolen
18 Edmonds
18 Pujols
16 Rolen
16 Carp
12 Lankford
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
8  Renteria
8  Supp
3  Drew

by michajo on Feb 4, 2007 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

Oops, now Morris was left off
18 Edmonds
18 Pujols
16 Rolen
16 Carp
12 Lankford
11 Morris
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
8  Renteria
8  Supp
3  Drew

by michajo on Feb 4, 2007 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

Ditto on E-6
18 Edmonds
18 Pujols
16 Rolen
16 Carp
12 Lankford
11 Morris
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
9  Supp (+)
7  Renteria (-)
3  Drew

by MikeND05 on Feb 4, 2007 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

asdf
19 Pujols (+)
18 Edmonds
16 Rolen
16 Carp
12 Lankford
10 Morris(-)
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
9  Supp
7  Renteria
3  Drew

by lynx on Feb 4, 2007 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

One is CARP and one is CRAP...
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
16 Rolen
17 Carp (+)
12 Lankford
10 Morris
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
9  Supp
7  Renteria
2  Drew (-)

by Big Rev on Feb 5, 2007 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Souper-man and the Sissy-man
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
16 Rolen
17 Carp
12 Lankford
10 Morris
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
10 Supp (+)
7  Renteria
1  Drew (-)

by Zubin on Feb 5, 2007 1:48 AM EST reply actions  

No more Droooooooooooooooooooooooo
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
16 Rolen
18 Carp (+)
12 Lankford
10 Morris
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
10 Supp
7  Renteria
0  Drew (-)

by barnowl77 on Feb 5, 2007 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmm.....
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
17 Rolen  +
18 Carp
12 Lankford
10 Morris
11 Izzy
10 Matheny
10 Supp
6 Renteria   -
0  Drew
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Feb 5, 2007 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Game
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
17 Rolen  
18 Carp
12 Lankford
10 Morris
11 Izzy -
11 Matheny +
10 Supp
6 Renteria  
0  Drew

"Forget about

Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Feb 5, 2007 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

love me some Matty Mo!
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
17 Rolen  
18 Carp
11 Morris (+)
11 Izzy
11 Matheny
11 Lankford (-)
10 Supp
6 Renteria  
10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 5, 2007 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmm...
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
18 Rolen (+)  
18 Carp
11 Morris
10 Izzy (-)
11 Matheny
11 Lankford
10 Supp
6 Renteria  

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 5, 2007 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Matty Mo Love
19 Pujols
18 Edmonds
18 Rolen  
18 Carp
12 Morris (+)
10 Izzy
11 Matheny
10 Lankford (-)
10 Supp
6 Renteria

by stlmapman on Feb 5, 2007 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

I can't forgive the hunting knife incident
20 Pujols (+)
18 Edmonds
18 Rolen
18 Carp
11 Morris
11 Lankford
10 Matheny (-)
10 Izzy
10 Suppan
6 Renteria
2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 5, 2007 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

Fun game
20 Pujols
18 Edmonds
18 Rolen
18 Carp
11 Morris
11 Lankford
11 Suppan (+)
10 Matheny
10 Izzy
5 Renteria (-)

Edgar's dropped, so figured I'd do my part to speed him off the list.

As for the + -- Soup was never as talented or spectacular as Albert, Jed, Carp, Rolen, or Morris at their peak, but the guy made the most of his average talent in some of the biggest games for this franchise in the last few years (e.g. NLCS game 7 in '04 and '06). Gotta give him props for that.

by DCRedbird on Feb 5, 2007 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

tied in bottom of the 6th, bases loaded, 1 out
The wheels were falling off after the Chavez catch and the Rolen throwing error. This could easily have been another nightmare finish along the lines of '68, '85, '87, '96, '01, '02 (the horror!)...

When Suppan escaped the jam, he neutralized the Mets momentum, and it was GAME ON!

We've seen so many of our guys (even the good ones) wilt under that kind of pressure in a hostile environment - watching Suppan (and later Wainwright) hold it all together with a spot in the World Series on the line - he's earned a place in the Cardinals Pantheon as far as I'm concerned.

That being said, I hope we light him up every time we see him from this point forward.

by musial6 on Feb 5, 2007 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

comment number 70
20 Pujols
18 Edmonds
18 Rolen
18 Carp
11 Morris
12 Suppan (+)
10 Lankford(-)
10 Matheny
10 Izzy
5 Renteria

I wanted to take it from Morris... I could never figure that guy out... but how Lankford is still on this list I don't know.

by onebigdummy on Feb 5, 2007 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

#71
20  Pujols
19  Carp (+1)
18  Edmonds
18  Rolen
12  Suppan
10  Morris (-1)
10  Lankford
10  Matheny
10  Izzy
5   Renteria

Had to take it from Morris.

go crazy folks..........

by wwbd on Feb 5, 2007 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

lankford should be at 9
and if i could vote 9 times right now, he'd be done. how often can we vote?
10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 5, 2007 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Will never forget Gm 6 and 7 of '04 NLCS....
I'm thinking I should vote once per day. I didn't vote yesterday, so here is my makeup ballot.

20  Pujols
19  Carp
19  Edmonds (+)
18  Rolen
12  Suppan
10  Morris
10  Matheny
10  Izzy
8   Lankford (-)
5   Renteria

10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 5, 2007 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

A little love for Rolen
20  Pujols
19  Carp
19  Edmonds
19  Rolen  (+)
12  Suppan
10  Morris
10  Matheny
10  Izzy
7   Lankford (-)
5   Renteria

I can't believe Lankford is still on here!

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 5, 2007 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Ray Ray
21 Pujols (+)
19 Carp
19 Edmonds
19 Rolen
12 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Matheny
10 Izzy
6 Lankford (-)
5 Renteria

I really like Ray, but he's out of his league here and needs to be gone.

by themang on Feb 5, 2007 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

Once a day it is, then.
21 Pujols
20 Edmonds (+)
19 Carp
19 Rolen
12 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Izzy
9 Matheny (-) (I blame his hunting knife accident for ruining Ankiel.)
6 Lankford
5 Renteria
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 5, 2007 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

How long can this go on?
Wish I'd seen this earlier... I didn't get to take points from Tino!!

21 Pujols
20 Edmonds
19 Carp
19 Rolen
12 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Izzy
9  Matheny
7  Lankford (+) for old times' sake
4  Renteria (-) for taking Red Sox $'s

by ArkansasTravs on Feb 5, 2007 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Take two
21 Pujols
20 Edmonds
19 Carp
19 Rolen
13 The unflappable Suppan (+)
10 Morris
10 Izzy
8  The unproductive Matheny (-)
7  Lankford
4  Renteria

by DCGreg on Feb 5, 2007 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

'Cause he was a defensive stud
21 Pujols
20 Edmonds
19 Carp
19 Rolen
13 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Izzy
9 Matheny (+)
7  Lankford
3  Renteria (-)
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Feb 5, 2007 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

Second time through the lineup for me
21 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp (+)
19 Rolen
12 Suppan (-)
10 Morris
10 Izzy
8 Matheny
7 Lankford
4 Renteria

Carp has a large load to carry this year, thanks to Suppan taking the money and running.

Opening Night 2007, here I come!

by gforce on Feb 5, 2007 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Update with aet15
21 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
19 Rolen
12 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Izzy
9 Matheny
7 Lankford
3 Renteria
Opening Night 2007, here I come!

by gforce on Feb 5, 2007 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Question..
Is the point of this to eventually get someone all the tallies? If not how about adding a name once someone drops off.. Say McGwire?? It would be interesting to see how he would do.

21 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
19 Rolen
13 Suppan (+)
10 Morris
10 Izzy
9 Matheny
6 Lankford (-)
3 Renteria

by El Hombre on Feb 5, 2007 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Well since this thread seemed to go over
pretty well, when it winds down I'm going to try and do one that has more history to it than the last 5 years.  I'll be sure to get McGwire on that list.  

I figure it's February and no one really has anything better to do anyway. :o)

by azruavatar on Feb 5, 2007 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Comment #85
22 Pujols (+)
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
19 Rolen
13 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Izzy
8 Matheny (-)
6 Lankford
3 Renteria

Poo - Let's all not forget how wonderful it is to have the nationally recognized best player in baseball on our team - that came from our minor leagues - not some quarter of a billion ARod signing

Matheny - the ruining of Ankiel remark really hit home with me, still love the guy but he's out of his league on this list

That's a winner!

by saveferris on Feb 5, 2007 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

#86 2nd vote
23 Pujols (+)
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
19 Rolen
13 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Izzy
7 Matheny (-)
6 Lankford
3 Renteria

I agree that Matheny only has his defense going for him.

by Chicago Cardinals on Feb 5, 2007 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

!st vote
23 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
19 Rolen
14 Suppan(+)
10 Morris
10 Izzy
07 Matheny
06 Lankford
02 Renteria(-)

I'll never forget Game 7 of the NLCS, never.

I'll never forget thinking that Renteria would stay for less, never.

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Feb 5, 2007 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

$40 million mistake
23 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
20 Rolen (+)
14 Suppan
10 Morris
10 Izzy
7  Matheny
6  Lankford
1  Renteria (-)

by michajo on Feb 5, 2007 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

2nd vote
23 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
20 Rolen
14 Suppan
10 Izzy
9  Morris (-)
7  Matheny
7  Lankford (+)
1  Renteria

Morris had a handful of great seasons, but he never fully lived up to his ace billing except for a couple of years.

How much worse would the '90s have been without Ray?

by MikeND05 on Feb 5, 2007 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

2nd vote for Z.
I love hearty Soup, but I don't like GIzzyrds in it...

23 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
20 Rolen
15 Suppan (+)
9 Izzy (-)
9  Morris
7  Matheny
7  Lankford
1  Renteria

by Zubin on Feb 5, 2007 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

2nd vote
since I didn't get to take down tino or jd, i'll take the greedy one.  and, as long as he's the best player on the planet, el hombre get my up.

24 Pujols (+)
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
20 Rolen
15 Suppan
9 Izzy
9  Morris
7  Matheny
7  Lankford
0  Renteria (-)

by sdesserman on Feb 5, 2007 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

2nd vote here
Suppan was good, but thats it just good. My vote going to the Card's all time save leader.

24 Pujols
20 Edmonds
20 Carp
20 Rolen
14 Suppan (-1)
10 Izzy (+1)
9  Morris
7  Matheny
7  Lankford

by stl3bagger on Feb 5, 2007 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

Best Cardinals pitcher I've ever seen, (2nd vote)
24 Pujols
21 Carp (+1)
20 Edmonds
20 Rolen
14 Suppan
10 Izzy
9  Morris
7  Matheny
6  Lankford (-1)

by musial6 on Feb 6, 2007 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

2nd vote...
watching out for my favorite cardinal growing up...

24 Pujols
21 Carp
20 Edmonds
20 Rolen
14 Suppan
9 Izzy -1
9  Morris
7  Matheny
7  Lankford (+1)

BLaw.

by Dttl89 on Feb 6, 2007 2:06 AM EST reply actions  

Come on! Long haul here!
24 Pujols
21 Carp
20 Edmonds
20 Rolen
13 Suppan (-1)
9 Izzy
9  Morris
8  Lankford (+1)
7  Matheny

by Valatan on Feb 6, 2007 2:48 AM EST reply actions  

2nd vote
I love the top 4, but Pujols is special.  And I never really felt the Lankford love in the 90's.

25 Pujols (+)
21 Carp
20 Edmonds
20 Rolen
13 Suppan
9 Izzy
9 Morris
7 Lankford (-)
7 Matheny

My wife's family is having a "superhero" themed birthday party.  The kids will be Power Rangers.  She asked me who I wanted to be and I said "the superhero of baseball - Albert Pujols.  He transcends mere humanity"  She shook her head and walked away and I will indeed go as Pujols.

I think I have moved beyond man-crush and I now border on obsession.

2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 6, 2007 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

2nd vote
25 Pujols
21 Carp
20 Edmonds
20 Rolen
13 Suppan
9 Morris
8 Izzy  (-)
8 Matheny (+)
7 Lankford

by barnowl77 on Feb 6, 2007 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

Who does number 2 work for?
25 Pujols
21 Carp
20 Edmonds
20 Rolen (+)
13 Suppan
9 Morris
8 Matheny
7 Izzy  (-)
7 Lankford
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Feb 6, 2007 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Rolen should say 21, Sorry.
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Feb 6, 2007 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Hunting Knife (2nd vote)
25 Pujols
21 Carp
21 Edmonds (+)
21 Rolen
13 Suppan
9 Morris
7 Matheny (-)
7 Izzy
7 Lankford

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 6, 2007 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

i haven't weighed in for a while
25 Pujols
21 Carp
21 Edmonds
21 Rolen
12 Suppan (-)
10 Morris (+)
7 Matheny
7 Izzy
7 Lankford

c'mon ---- supps has more points than matty mo? the 3-yr itinerant rumprotation guy over the homegrown ace?

by lboros on Feb 6, 2007 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

A vote for classy Rolen
25 Pujols
22 Rolen (+)
21 Carp
21 Edmonds
11 Suppan (-)
10 Morris
7  Matheny
7  Izzy
7  Lankford

by michajo on Feb 6, 2007 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

My votes for today
26 Pujols (+) (he's incredible.)
22 Rolen
21 Carp
21 Edmonds
11 Suppan
10 Morris
7  Matheny
7  Izzy
6  Lankford (-) (he's not.)
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 6, 2007 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

hmmm...
26 Pujols
23 Carp (+)
22 Rolen
21 Edmonds
11 Suppan
10 Morris
7  Izzy
6  Lankford
6  Matheny (-)

Carpenter - best pitcher I'll witness in a Cardinals uniform in my lifetime???

Sorry Mike, I'm not nice to the defense only catchers...

by azruavatar on Feb 6, 2007 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

damn you math
26 Pujols
22 Carp (+)
22 Rolen
21 Edmonds
11 Suppan
10 Morris
7  Izzy
6  Lankford
6  Matheny (-)

by azruavatar on Feb 6, 2007 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Save Matty Mo!
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
21 Carp
21 Edmonds
11 Suppan
11 Morris (+)
7  Matheny
7  Izzy
5  Lankford (-)

Ray needs to go bye bye. If he had half the guts Matty Mo had....man.

10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 6, 2007 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

comment overlap - current total
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
22 Carp
21 Edmonds
11 Suppan
11 Morris
7  Izzy
6  Matheny
5  Lankford

by azruavatar on Feb 6, 2007 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

My Tuesday vote

26 Pujols
23 Rolen (+) real WS MVP
22 Carp
21 Edmonds
11 Morris
10 Suppan (-)
7  Izzy
6  Matheny
5  Lankford

by ArkansasTravs on Feb 6, 2007 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

Third Vote- MVPs
Rolen needs to grow up and talk to TLR.  Supp was the NLCS MVP.

26 Pujols
22 Rolen (-) real WS MVP
22 Carp
21 Edmonds
11 Morris
11 Suppan (+)
7  Izzy
6  Matheny
5  Lankford

by Zubin on Feb 6, 2007 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

2nd vote
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
22 Carp
21 Edmonds
12 Morris (+)
11 Suppan
7 Izzy
6 Matheny
4 Lankford (-)

Giving Morris some love here. Great player for awhile. Sorry Ray-I have to take you down again. Nothing personal.

by themang on Feb 6, 2007 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

2nd Vote...
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
22 Carp
21 Edmonds
13 Morris (+)
11 Suppan
7 Izzy
6 Matheny
3 Lankford (-)

Used to love Matty Mo's DK-esque curveball. My biggest memories of Lankford were a weird batting stance and a bunch of strikeouts when it mattered.

by Big Rev on Feb 6, 2007 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Third vote
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
23 Carp (+)
21 Edmonds
13 Morris
11 Suppan
7 Izzy
6 Matheny
2 Lankford (-)

Carp ought to get extra votes for being such a bargain all this time.  

by DCGreg on Feb 6, 2007 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

Lankford's almost gone!
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
23 Carp
22 Edmonds  (+)
13 Morris
11 Suppan
7 Izzy
6 Matheny
1 Lankford (-)

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 6, 2007 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

My vote
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
23 Carp
22 Edmonds
13 Morris
10 Suppan (-)
8 Izzy (+)
6 Matheny
1 Lankford

by cardinalsadvocate on Feb 6, 2007 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

hold on Ray!
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
23 Carp
22 Edmonds
13 Morris
10 Suppan
7 Izzy (-)
6 Matheny
2 Lankford (+)
Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together...it's Arrested Development.

by Bowen on Feb 6, 2007 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

My Tuesday vote
26 Pujols
22 Rolen
23 Carp
23 Edmonds (+) just thought about Game 6 again...LOVE IT
13 Morris
10 Suppan
6 Izzy (-) often underrated but doesn't belong here
6 Matheny
2 Lankford

by stlmapman on Feb 6, 2007 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with mapman

26 Pujols
24 Edmonds  (+)
23 Carp
22 Rolen
13 Morris
10 Suppan
6  Matheny
5 Izzy   (-)
2 Lankford

by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Feb 6, 2007 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Third time is the charm
26 Pujols
25 Edmonds (+)
23 Carp
22 Rolen
13 Morris
9 Suppan (-)
6 Matheny
5 Izzy
2 Lankford

Edmonds coming back made my offseason. He will bridge the gap to Rasmus and gives his all every day. Suppan would still look good in our rotation, but not as Brewer. Who will be the first Cardinal to take him deep?

Opening Night 2007, here I come!

by gforce on Feb 6, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Me too
26 Pujols
26 Edmonds (+)
23 Carp
22 Rolen
13 Morris
8 Suppan (-)
6 Matheny
5 Izzy
2 Lankford

by OCCardsFan on Feb 6, 2007 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

Soup!!
26 Pujols
26 Edmonds
23 Carp
22 Rolen
13 Morris
9 Suppan (+)
6 Matheny
5 Izzy
1 Lankford (-)

Key to the WS Trophy and an Awesome guy...

Ray is down to his last pitch, hmm will he strikeout?

by El Hombre on Feb 6, 2007 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm
I honestly don't think that Suppan has done more for our team than Izzy.

26 Pujols
26 Edmonds
23 Carp
22 Rolen
13 Morris
8 Suppan (-)
6 Matheny
6 Izzy (+)
1 Lankford

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Feb 6, 2007 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

3
26 Pujols
26 Edmonds
24 Carp (+)
22 Rolen
12 Morris (-)
8 Suppan
6 Matheny
6 Izzy
1 Lankford

by MikeND05 on Feb 6, 2007 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Day 4 Vote....Ray is GONE!
26 Pujols
26 Edmonds
24 Carp
22 Rolen
12 Morris
8 Suppan
7 Izzy (+)
6 Matheny
0 Lankford (-)

I gotta admit I feel pretty happy to get to eliminate Ray from this. And I gotta give Izzy some dap. Here's to a full recovery for our stopper!

10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 7, 2007 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

Wed Vote
27 Edmonds (+)
26 Pujols
24 Carp
22 Rolen
12 Morris
8 Suppan
6 Izzy (-)
6 Matheny
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 7, 2007 2:15 AM EST reply actions  

Well its Wednesday in the 'Lou,
so I'll take my 4th vote.  I love Apu, but I hate his bat flips.  Supps has been perhaps the best NLCS pitcher the Cardinals have had in my life.

27 Edmonds
25 Pujols (-)
24 Carp
22 Rolen
12 Morris
9 Suppan (+)
6 Izzy
6 Matheny

by Zubin on Feb 7, 2007 2:49 AM EST reply actions  

Long live Tom Lawless!
Sorry Izzy - it's nothing personal.

27 Edmonds
26 Pujols (+)
24 Carp
22 Rolen
12 Morris
9 Suppan
6 Matheny
5 Izzy (-)

by musial6 on Feb 7, 2007 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

how in the world
did Edmonds take a two-vote lead over Hombre?

26 Edmonds (-)
26 Pujols (+)
24 Carp
22 Rolen
12 Morris
9 Suppan
6 Izzy
6 Matheny

Problem solved.

by DCGreg on Feb 7, 2007 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

So when does this end?
26 Edmonds
26 Pujols
25 Carp (+)
22 Rolen
12 Morris
8 Suppan (-)
6 Izzy
6 Matheny

To Carp for saving us money, and to Supps for leaving for money.

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 7, 2007 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

well
It 'technically' ends when there is only one player left...but I think the thread will wind down before that.  

Carp moves up with the leaders and Matheny moves closer to zero.

26 Edmonds
26 Pujols
26 Carp (+)
22 Rolen
12 Morris
8 Suppan
6 Izzy
5 Matheny(-)

by azruavatar on Feb 7, 2007 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

seems like
short memories have a tendency to take over here.  soup was great in the 2nd half of this season and postseason, but basically an average pitcher during his time here with some infuriatingly bad starts and stretches as well as some truly puzzling splits (day/night, home/away). am i truly saddened to see him go?  meh, not so much.  

on the other hand, i'm saddened not just by the lack of love for ray.  for a time, he was the face of the club.  he was certainly not anywhere near the mv3, but i've got some great memories of heroic performances on his part; both offensively and defensively.  he was a constant as the outfield positions around him were effectively rotating doors.

27 Pujols (+)
26 Edmonds
25 Carp
22 Rolen
12 Morris
7 Suppan (-)
6 Izzy
6 Matheny

by sdesserman on Feb 7, 2007 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

adjusted for azruavatar
27 Pujols (+)
26 Edmonds
26 Carp
22 Rolen
12 Morris
7 Suppan (-)
6 Izzy
5 Matheny

by sdesserman on Feb 7, 2007 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Second Vote....
27 Pujols
26 Edmonds
26 Carp
23 Rolen (plus)
12 Morris
6 Suppan (minus)
6 Izzy
5 Matheny

by Brock20 on Feb 7, 2007 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

For playoffs alone
Soup will always be one of my favorite players. He helped us reach the World Series 2x. May not be the most talented guy here but he stepped up when he needed to. Sorry Morris.

27 Pujols
26 Edmonds
25 Carp
22 Rolen
11 Morris (-)
8 Suppan (+)
6 Izzy
6 Matheny

by El Hombre on Feb 7, 2007 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

oops adjusted
27 Pujols
26 Edmonds
26 Carp
23 Rolen
11 Morris -
7 Suppan +
6 Izzy
5 Matheny

by El Hombre on Feb 7, 2007 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Always liked Matheny, hated to see him go
27 Pujols
26 Edmonds
26 Carp
23 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Suppan
6 Matheny +
5 Izzy -
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Feb 7, 2007 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

I'm with you
27 Pujols
26 Edmonds
26 Carp
23 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Suppan
7 Matheny +
4 Izzy -

I was a bit nervous that somehow Lankford was going to have made a comeback.  

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 7, 2007 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

We missed musial6's last post... scores should be
27 Pujols
26 Edmonds
26 Carp
23 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Suppan
8 Matheny +
3 Izzy -

by Zubin on Feb 7, 2007 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

My vote for today.
27 Pujols
26 Carp +
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
11 Morris
8 Matheny
7 Suppan
2 Izzy -

I'm not an Izzy hater, but we're getting down to the point where he and Matheny are the next logical choices out.

Izzy's a mediocre closer, Matheny, although great defensively, was pretty bad offensively, so it seems like it's their time.

by mtalken on Feb 7, 2007 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

i gotta push back on this
adjusted for mtalken's votes

27 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Suppan
7 Matheny -
3 Izzy +

by lboros on Feb 7, 2007 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

My 3rd vote - same as my first
28 Pujols (+)
26 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Matheny (-)
7 Suppan
2 Izzy

Good to see Morris have a few more votes than Suppan.  While he didn't win a Series with the hometown nine, he put up some excellent performances in the postseason.  Especially in 2001.  He just happened to go against other stellar performances.

2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 7, 2007 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

D'oh!
To include lboros' vote:
27 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Suppan
6 Matheny
3 Izzy
2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 7, 2007 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I need more sleep
Pujols should be at 28
2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 7, 2007 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

the current count
after Boz's votes

28 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Suppan
6 Matheny
3 Izzy

by lboros on Feb 7, 2007 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

1st3rd2death
28 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
12 Morris(+)
7 Matheny
6 Suppan(-)
3 Izzy

Morris had a great run.

by 1st3rd2death on Feb 7, 2007 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

matheney at 6
28 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
12 Morris(+)
6 Matheny
6 Suppan(-)
3 Izzy

by lboros on Feb 7, 2007 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

this is fun
28 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
12 Morris
7 Matheny (+) for being a warrior
5 Suppan (-)  At least he got paid
3 Izzy

by Schnake on Feb 7, 2007 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

New day, another vote
28 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
23 Rolen
12 Morris
8  Matheny (+)
4  Suppan (-)
3  Izzy

by michajo on Feb 7, 2007 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

wednesday morning
28 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds (+)
23 Rolen
12 Morris
8  Matheny
3  Suppan (-)
3  Izzy
Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together...it's Arrested Development.

by Bowen on Feb 7, 2007 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

i hope i do this right
29 pujols (+)
27 carp
27 edmonds
23 rolen
12 morris
8 matheny
3 Izzy
2 suppan (-)

by Willie51 on Feb 7, 2007 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

2nd Vote
28 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
23 Rolen
12 Morris
8  Matheny
4  Izzy (+)
2  Suppan (-)

by cardinalsadvocate on Feb 7, 2007 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

adjusted
29 pujols
27 carp
27 edmonds
23 rolen
12 morris
8 matheny
4 Izzy (+)
1 suppan (-)

by cardinalsadvocate on Feb 7, 2007 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Im in...
29 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
23 Rolen
11 Morris (-)
8 Matheny
5 Izzy (+) Think about where we'd be if he never was
1 Suppan

by SethWestern on Feb 7, 2007 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry Soup...
30 pujols (+)
27 carp
27 edmonds
23 rolen
12 morris
8 matheny
4 Izzy
0 suppan (-)

Soup, you were my wife's favorite player, so sorry. Thanks for letting me see greatness, Albert.

by Big Rev on Feb 7, 2007 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

wed vote
30 pujols
27 carp
27 edmonds
24 rolen (+)
11 morris (-)
8 matheny
4 Izzy

I can't wait to see a fully healthy scott rolen again.  And I loved watching MM pitch- he was my favorite pitcher- but he broke my heart when he left.

"...in winter, when there's no baseball... I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by SleepyCA on Feb 7, 2007 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Okay - don't know how I missed this
My votes:

31 Pujols (+1)
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
24 Rolen
11 Morris
7 Matheney (-1)
4 Izzy

I love Matheney, but as far as the greatest players and their contributions, he has to take the hit in this company.

by lawman3842 on Feb 7, 2007 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

My dog is named after him
SO i guess I will give a little love to Rolen.

31 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds (-1)
25 Rolen (+1)
11 Morris
7 Matheney
4 Izzy

by stl3bagger on Feb 7, 2007 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

my vote doesn't count?
Izzy has 5, morris 10.  

by SethWestern on Feb 7, 2007 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

3rd vote for me
31 Pujols
27 Carp
26 Edmonds
25 Rolen
10 Morris
6 Matheny (-)
6 Izzy (+)

Boy it must be tough to be a closer. One bad season and everyone forgets what a stud you once were and how valuable your were to the team.

It did hurt taking Matheny down a notch, but someone has to.

by themang on Feb 7, 2007 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

The Arizona Vote
31 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds (+)
25 Rolen
10 Morris
6  Izzy
5  Matheny(-)

by rajah424 on Feb 7, 2007 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

Izzy doesn't get nearly enough credit here
31 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
25 Rolen
9 Morris (-)
7  Izzy (+)
5  Matheny
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Feb 7, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Is this allowed?
I got in on this late . . .

31 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
25 Rolen
9 Morris
7  Izzy
4  Matheny (-)
1 Renteria (+)

If not, disregard.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Feb 7, 2007 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

its not my game
but I say no

by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Feb 7, 2007 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah -- sorry Dude
Once they're gone... they're gone.

Otherwise we'd have players popping back up periodically and it would never end.  (The game does conceivable end with one player).  Save them while they live!

by azruavatar on Feb 7, 2007 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah -- sorry Dude
Once they're gone... they're gone.

Otherwise we'd have players popping back up periodically and it would never end.  (The game does conceivably end with one player).  Save them while they live!

by azruavatar on Feb 7, 2007 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Adjusted to remove "The Dudes" vote
for now (isn't that right azruavatar, once a player is gone, he can't be brought back?)
And, adding my Wednesday vote:

31 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
25 Rolen
10 Morris (+)
7  Izzy
4  Matheny (-)  don't tell my daughter

by ArkansasTravs on Feb 7, 2007 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

my 2nd vote
31 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
26 Rolen (+)
10 Morris
7  Izzy
3  Matheny (-)

Matheny: nice guy, sad to see how his career ended, etc., but he doesn't belong in this company.

I give Rolen a plus this time, for putting up this line in the 2007 WS: .421/.476/.737  

by DCRedbird on Feb 7, 2007 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

whoops -- I meant the 2006 World Series
But I wouldn't mind seeing Scottie put up that same line in the 2007 Series!

by DCRedbird on Feb 7, 2007 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

a
32 Pujols (+)
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
26 Rolen
10 Morris
7  Izzy
2  Matheny (-)

by JxMetal on Feb 7, 2007 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

ok...
32 Pujols (+)
27 Carp
27 Edmonds (-)
26 Rolen
10 Morris
7  Izzy
2  Matheny

by samael88 on Feb 7, 2007 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

You
gotta change the # when you put a plus or minus by someones name.

by El Hombre on Feb 8, 2007 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Save Matheny
32 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
26 Rolen
10 Morris
6  Izzy      (-)
3  Matheny  (+)

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 7, 2007 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

Right-o
32 Pujols
27 Carp
27 Edmonds
26 Rolen
9 Morris   (-)
6  Izzy      
4  Matheny  (+)

by Don Zero on Feb 7, 2007 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

sir albert
thanks albert for being yourself
33 pujols +
27 carp
27 jed
26 scotty
9 matty mo
5 izzy -
4 matheny

by luvthemcards on Feb 7, 2007 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

Cy Young
33 pujols
28 carp (+)
27 jed
26 scotty
8 matty mo (-)
5 izzy
4 matheny

by MikeND05 on Feb 7, 2007 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

A defensive specialist and a bunch of all stars
33 pujols
28 carp
27 jed
27 scotty (+)
8 matty mo
5 izzy
3 matheny (-)

by Valatan on Feb 7, 2007 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Thursday votes
33 el hombre
28 carp
28 scotty ballgame (+)
27 jimmy baseball
8 matty mo
4 izzy (-)
3 matheny
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2007 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

my attempt to rid this page of matty mo
33 el hombre
28 carp
29 scotty ballgame (+)
27 jimmy baseball
7 matty mo(-)
4 izzy
3 matheny
BLaw.

by Dttl89 on Feb 8, 2007 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

Thursday vote (#5)
I can't believe the Soup can is gone... * sigh *

Mike Matheny was the best catcher we have had in two and a half decades.  Izzy on the other hand was (is?) a good closer, but not better than Todd Worrell or Lee Smith.

33 pujols
28 carpenter
28 rolen
27 edmonds
8 morris
4 izzy (-)
4 matheny (+)

by Zubin on Feb 8, 2007 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

Correction for eda's vote
33 pujols
28 carpenter
29 rolen (+)
27 edmonds
7 morris (-)
4 izzy
4 matheny

by Zubin on Feb 8, 2007 2:05 AM EST reply actions  

Matheney = Izzy?!
Seriously - I love Matheney but he is not a star player. He does not deserve to be on this list at this point. Izzy is a star, and so was Matty Mo.

33 pujols
28 carpenter
29 rolen
27 edmonds
7 morris
5 izzy (+)
3 matheny (-)

by lawman3842 on Feb 8, 2007 2:31 AM EST reply actions  

Thursday Vote (#3)
33 pujols
28 carpenter
29 rolen
27 edmonds
6 izzy (+) He's is the Cardinals career saves leader
6 morris (-) He and Matheny just don't belong with the other five
3 matheny

by cardinalsadvocate on Feb 8, 2007 2:43 AM EST reply actions  

qwerty
33 pujols
29 rolen
28 carpenter
27 edmonds
7 morris (+)
6 izzy
2 matheny (-)

by lboros on Feb 8, 2007 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

# 3
33 pujols
29 rolen
28 carpenter
28 edmonds (+)
7 morris
5 izzy (-)
2 matheny
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Feb 8, 2007 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

thursdays vote
34 pujols (+)
29 rolen
28 carpenter
28 edmonds
7 morris
5 izzy
1 matheny (-)

This will get really interesting when it comes down to removing Edmonds, Carpenter or Rolen.

by Schnake on Feb 8, 2007 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

sorry, Mike
34 pujols
29 rolen
28 carpenter
28 edmonds
8 morris  (+) (remember this series?)
5 izzy
0 matheny (-)

by DCGreg on Feb 8, 2007 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

I remember that series.
I wish D. Kile would not have started the last game of the season.  We would have matched up much better with morris and kile pitching twice.  I am pretty sure this series helped TLR make his "gamble" on not starting carpenter on the last day of the regular season.  Too bad Darryl Kile didn't make the list.  He'd still be up on the board.

by Schnake on Feb 8, 2007 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Good bye, Mike
34 Pujols
29 Rolen
29 Carp (+)
28 Edmonds
7 Morris
5 Izzy
0 Matheny (-)
2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 8, 2007 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Whoops - I'll take it away from Izzy instead, then
I like him, but I like the others a little more

34 Pujols
29 Rolen
29 Carp
28 Edmonds
8 Morris
4 Izzy (-)

2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 8, 2007 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

lalala
34 Pujols
29 Rolen
29 Carp
29 Edmonds (+)
7 Morris (-)
4 Izzy

by El Hombre on Feb 8, 2007 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Now it gets tough
34 Pujols
29 Rolen
29 Carp
29 Edmonds
6 Morris (-)
5 Izzy (+)

by themang on Feb 8, 2007 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Which one of these is not like the others,
one of these things just doesn't belong?

(Plus a correction for samael88 above)

35 Pujols
30 Carp (+)
29 Rolen
28 Edmonds
5 Morris (-)
5 Izzy

Mabye my recent memory if too dominant, but those bottom two don't fit with the big four.

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 8, 2007 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Thursday vote
35 Pujols
30 Carp
30 Rolen (+)
28 Edmonds
5  Morris
4  Izzy (-)

by michajo on Feb 8, 2007 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Yay! Another Vote!
36 Pujols (+)
30 Carp
30 Rolen
28 Edmonds
5 Morris
3 Izzy (-)

It's time for Izzy to go.  6th on this list is nothing shameful.

by mtalken on Feb 8, 2007 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

New day, new vote
36 Pujols
30 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds (+)
5 Morris
2 Izzy (-)

I love Izzy, but I think Matty Mo deserves to make the final 5. Plus, how happy was I when I heard Jimmy E was coming back for 2 more!!!

10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 8, 2007 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

curious...
did any play on this list fail to get at least one positive vote?
10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 8, 2007 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

original 10
I mean did any player on the initial list not get a positive vote.
10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 8, 2007 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah
I don't think Tino, Drew or Marquis got any positive votes...

Supp had some ups and downs as did Matheny...

Renteria might have disappeared without a positive but slowly.

by azruavatar on Feb 8, 2007 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

A sure thing...
36 Pujols
31 Carp (+)
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
5 Morris
1 Izzy (-)

Thanks Carp, for being a sure ace. Thanks Izzy for being a sure heart attack.

by Big Rev on Feb 8, 2007 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Thursday's vote
35 Pujols (-) just to tighten things up some
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
6  Morris (+)
1  Izzy

by ArkansasTravs on Feb 8, 2007 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Thursday's voteto save the all-time saves leader
35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
5  Morris (-)
2  Izzy  (+)

by Don Zero on Feb 8, 2007 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Thursday's vote
The one I cast last night at about midnight doesn't count for today, right?

35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
5  Morris (-)
2  Izzy  (+)

Morris was the staff ace for a couple of years, and he deserves credit for that. But Izzy has been a great closer for a longer time period, despite his injuries.

By the way, I don't think any of the top four on this list will ever be eliminated; we'll basically be canceling each other's votes as one or two points shift from player to player. This is a fun game, though!

by lawman3842 on Feb 8, 2007 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Shouldn't the total read as follows?
So that the last two votes count.

35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
6  Morris (-)
3  Izzy  (+)

by Don Zero on Feb 8, 2007 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry
I mean:

35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
4  Morris (-)
3  Izzy  (+)

by Don Zero on Feb 8, 2007 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry...
forgot to change the numbers. Thanks for keeping the votes honest. I almost cast a vote for Pat Buchanan by mistake!

by lawman3842 on Feb 8, 2007 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I'm sorry
You messed up fewer times than I did.

by Don Zero on Feb 8, 2007 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The mixed feelings for Izzy are pretty
evident from the up and down nature of his votes.  We're getting down to the nitty gritty here.

35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
4  Izzy  (+)
3  Morris (-)

by azruavatar on Feb 8, 2007 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

thursday
35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
3  Izzy (-)
4  Morris (+)
Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together...it's Arrested Development.

by Bowen on Feb 8, 2007 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed with lawman
Izzy has been better over the long-run

35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Rolen
29 Edmonds
4  Izzy (+)
3  Morris (-)

by MikeND05 on Feb 8, 2007 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Thursdays Vote
35 Pujols
31 Carp
30 Scotty
30 Jimmy Ballgame (+)
3  Izzy
3  Matty Mo

Does the final 4 from this elimination game go to the next round against Stan, Gibby, Sweet Lou, Red, Country and The Rajah?

by rajah424 on Feb 8, 2007 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

yeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
35 pujols
32 carp (+)
30 rolen
30 jimmy
3  matt morris
2 izzy (-)

by elirock83 on Feb 8, 2007 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Thursday vote
35 pujols
32 carp
31 rolen (+1)
30 jimmy
2  matt morris (-1)
2 izzy

by stl3bagger on Feb 8, 2007 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Future HOFer or forgotten ace.
36 pujols(+1)
32 carp
31 rolen
30 jimmy
1  matt morris (-1)
2 izzy

by DJ4508 on Feb 8, 2007 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

hang on matty
36 pujols
32 carp
31 rolen
30 jimmy
2 morris (+1)
1 izzy (-1)

by sdesserman on Feb 8, 2007 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Bye Izzy
36 pujols
32 carp
31 rolen
31 jimmy (+1)
2 morris
0 izzy (-1)

Izzy, I don't hate you like some do, but I still remember the disappointment I felt when you blew that save in DC last year.

by stlmapman on Feb 8, 2007 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

The man was pitching with a bum landing leg
and teaching Wainwright how to play Bruce Sutter.

I'm going to pour some liquor on the ground for him.

by Don Zero on Feb 8, 2007 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Now We're talking Baseball
36 Pujols
32 Carpenter
32 Edmonds (+)
31 Rolen
1 Morris (-)

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 8, 2007 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

ok
37 Pujols (+)
32 Carpenter
32 Edmonds
31 Rolen
0 Morris (-)

by samael88 on Feb 8, 2007 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

2nd vote...got home too late to save Izzy...so...
37 Pujols
32 Carpenter
33 Edmonds (+)
30 Rolen  (-)

by SethWestern on Feb 8, 2007 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

Gonna end up with Pujols vs. Jimmy
37 Pujols
31 Carpenter (-1)
34 Edmonds (+1)
30 Rolen

Carpenter is awesome, no doubt about it, and certainly deserving of being in the final 3-4. But as for the quantity of quality play, he has to fall in behind all three of the other remaining guys, particularly Jimmy and Albert. He just hasn't been with us long enough, and didn't help in the '04 playoffs.

While we're docking guys for missed playoff time, Rolen will likely have to come in third here, ultimately.

by lawman3842 on Feb 8, 2007 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

With my third vote...
37 Pujols
33 Edmonds (-1)
32 Carpenter (+1)
30 Rolen

Now we're back in numerical order.  This will take a while for it to end especially when we get down to 2.  I think that Carpenter has done so much for the Cardinals these past couple of years that I sould give him one point.  The last 5 years Edmonds has had 3 good and 2 bad ones which should explain my vote.

by Chicago Cardinals on Feb 8, 2007 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

I can't help it
But I have so many amazing memories with Edmonds, Rolen, Carp and Pujols. The only difference is that I have more years of memories for the three fielders, and only 2-3 of Carp. Ah, the final four, so tough . . .

37 Pujols
34 Edmonds (+1)
31 Carpenter (-1)
30 Rolen

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Feb 8, 2007 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

Im pretty sure this thing is never going to end...
No one is going to let any of these guys slide down.. If someone starts loosing some points people will just pick them back up.. unless we cut everyones points in half or subtract a certain number from everyone, this thing will go on forever.

by El Hombre on Feb 8, 2007 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

The final four
37 Pujols
33 Edmonds (-1)
32 Carpenter (+1)
30 Rolen

How do you not vote for the guy who won the third Cy Young in franchise history?  Only that Gibson guy won more.

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Feb 8, 2007 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

qwerty
37 Pujols
33 Carpenter (+1)
32 Edmonds (-1)
30 Rolen

by lboros on Feb 8, 2007 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

I guess from here on out
I'll be watching out for my guy...
and we ALL know who'll win...

37 Pujols
33 Carpenter
31 Edmonds (-1)
31 Rolen (+1)

BLaw.

by Dttl89 on Feb 9, 2007 12:48 AM EST reply actions  

I wish we could replay oct 2004 with him...
37 Pujols
34 Carpenter (+)
30 Edmonds (-1)
31 Rolen

by Valatan on Feb 9, 2007 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

Friday vote
Melodramtics with the bats and melodramatics at the bat.

36 Pujols (-)
34 Carpenter
31 Edmonds (+)
31 Rolen

by Zubin on Feb 9, 2007 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

Frida vote
37 El Hombre (+) (I love his bat flips. There, I said it.)
34 Carp
31 Edmonds
30 Rolen (-) (Sorry, Scott.)
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 9, 2007 4:03 AM EST reply actions  

No. 3
37 El Hombre
34 Carp
32 Edmonds (+)
29 Rolen (-)

by SethWestern on Feb 9, 2007 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

#4
37 El Hombre
34 Carp
33 Edmonds (+)
28 Rolen (-)
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Feb 9, 2007 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

Best 3d baseman in the game
37 El Hombre
34 Carp
32 Edmonds (-)
29 Rolen (+)

by Don Zero on Feb 9, 2007 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

I have to vote for Carp - I just bought his jersey
37 Pujols
35 Carp (+)
31 Edmonds (-)
29 Rolen

I couldn't help but think of Pujols' scoring 100 on the citizenship test as a Bill Brasky moment.  Of course he scored 100.

2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 9, 2007 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Hell
I was surprised he scored that low. Brasky would have gotten extra credit.

Also, this elimination game will never, ever end. There's no way.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 9, 2007 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I said that earlier...
I agree theres not a chance unless we subtract like 20 from all four.

by El Hombre on Feb 9, 2007 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

or
restart them all at 10.

Nonetheless, I'll do my part for today:

38 Brasky (+)
35 Carp
31 Edmonds
28 Rolen (-)

by DCGreg on Feb 9, 2007 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

With all due respect to Lawman
I think he forgot the 7 game stretch Carpenter put toghether from June 14, 2005 to July 22, 2005.

The line is  6 wins, 59.2 innings pitched, 3 ER, 57 strikeouts,  ERA 0.45. 3 cmplete game shutouts.

The man earns a point for that.

38 Pujols
36 Carp (+)
30 Edmonds (-)
28 Rolen

This game will never die.

by Schnake on Feb 9, 2007 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Friday vote
38 Pujols
36 Carp
31 Edmonds (+)
27 Rolen (-)

Love em all, and I think Rolen is set for a huge year, but I gotta take points from somewhere...

10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 9, 2007 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Since this game probably will take a long
time given the current scores, I'm gonna knock them all down while keeping their scores relative to each other.  I'm just going to arbitrarily set Rolen to 5 since that seems to not put him on the brink while still getting us to some lower numbers.  So the current scores are now:

Pujols 16
Carpenter 14
Edmonds 9
Rolen 5

by azruavatar on Feb 9, 2007 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Go Scotty
Pujols 15 (-)
Carpenter 14
Edmonds 9
Rolen 6 (+)

by JxMetal on Feb 9, 2007 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

ummm.....
15 Pujols
13 Carpenter (-)
10 Edmonds (+)
6  Rolen

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 9, 2007 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

update
15 Pujols
12 Carpenter
11 Edmonds
6 Rolen

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 9, 2007 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Today's vote
15 Pujols
11 Carpenter (-)
11 Edmonds
7 Rolen (+)

More because I think the arbitrary lowering of Rolen was a bit too much.

by stlmapman on Feb 9, 2007 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah
It seems like they should've all been divided or something instead of just subtracted. A four point difference means a lot more in terms of 5 and 9 than 27 and 31.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Feb 9, 2007 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Friday Vote
15 Pujols
12 Edmonds (+)
11 Carpenter (-)
6 Rolen

My reasoning: If baseball ended today, who would be most likely to make it in the hall? It doesn't seem fair to judge JEd against what may or may not become of the future of Pujols and Carp. Plus, I love the highlight reels in Center Field.

by cardinalsadvocate on Feb 9, 2007 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

update
15 Pujols
12 Edmonds
10 Carpenter
7 Rolen

by cardinalsadvocate on Feb 9, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I do believe
16 Pujols +1
11 Edmonds -1
10 Carpenter
7 Rolen -1
Hate to do it but at the moment he is not in the same class as the other three.  He was, but I don't believe so any more.  I sure hope I'm wrong.

by DJ4508 on Feb 9, 2007 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

oops
16 Pujols +1
11 Edmonds -1
10 Carpenter
7 Rolen

by DJ4508 on Feb 9, 2007 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I agree
16 Pujols
10 Edmonds -1
11 Carpenter +1
7 Rolen

and we would have won 90+ games if he hadn't tried to kill himself in chitown last season.

"...in winter, when there's no baseball... I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by SleepyCA on Feb 9, 2007 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Will voting continue over the weekend?
16 Pujols
9 Edmonds (-)
12 Carpenter (+)
7 Rolen

Jimmie, I'll never forget your magic, but you seem to strike out a lot when it matters. Carpie, thank you for keeping DK/Matty Mo's curveball alive with the Birds.

by Big Rev on Feb 9, 2007 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I have yet to vote for Citizen Pujols---here goes
17 Pujols +
12 Carpenter
8  Edmonds -
7  Rolen

by michajo on Feb 9, 2007 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

getting interesting
17 Pujols
11 Carpenter -
9  Edmonds +
7  Rolen

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 9, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Is this a joke?
Jimmy Ballgame

17 Pujols
10 Edmonds (+1)
10 Carpenter (-1)
7  Rolen

by TICY on Feb 9, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Carp! Carp!
17 Pujols
12 Carpenter +
10  Edmonds -
7  Rolen

by Valatan on Feb 9, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

well nancy there you go again
17 pujols
13 carp (+)
10 edmunds
6  rolen (-)

by elirock83 on Feb 9, 2007 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

going going....
18 pujols+ (citizen albert)
13 Carp
10 edmonds
5  rolen-  (don't take it personal Scotty)
go crazy folks..........

by wwbd on Feb 9, 2007 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

These are adjusted and current
there was some comment overlap.  These are the current totals:

18 pujols
12 Carp
9 edmonds
5  rolen

And then here's my vote:
18 pujols
13 Carp(+)
9 edmonds
4  rolen(-)

by azruavatar on Feb 9, 2007 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

i love rolen
in a purely platonic way, but it's all about the other three:

19 pujols(+)
13 Carp
9 edmonds
3  rolen(-)

by sdesserman on Feb 9, 2007 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

ok
20 pujols(+)
13 Carp
8 edmonds (-)
3  rolen

by samael88 on Feb 9, 2007 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Time to save Scotty
20 Pujols
13 Carpenter
7 Edmonds (-)
4 Rolen (+)

I dont think that Rolen is the worst of these 4 in the past five years,  sure he's been hurt and hasnt preformed great in the playoffs but he is still among the best at his position.

by Chicago Cardinals on Feb 10, 2007 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

Sat vote; getting interestinger
20 Pujols
13 Carpenter
6 Edmonds (-)
5 Rolen (+)
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 10, 2007 1:54 AM EST reply actions  

lalala
20 pujols
12 carpenter (-)
6 edmonds
6 rolen (+)

by Willie51 on Feb 10, 2007 2:46 AM EST reply actions  

sat. vote
20 pujols
12 carpenter
6 edmonds (+)
5 rolen (-)

injuries vs. memories of unforgettable performances.  

by sdesserman on Feb 10, 2007 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Sat Vote...
19 Pujols (minus)
12 Carp
7 Edmonds (plus one)
5 Rolen

by Brock20 on Feb 10, 2007 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Put em where they go
20 Pujols (+1)
12 Carp
6 Edmonds (-1)
5 Rolen
Albert is clearly not just the class of the field but all of baseball.  Carp is one of the few true aces in the game.  A healthy Rolen as good if not better than any one ever on his corner (all around).  Then there is (a healthy) Jimmy.  An outstanding centerfielder but not near as dominating at his position comparatively speaking.  I'm not saying he's not a super star but.  Check out others with comparative numbers aka Andrue Jones.

by DJ4508 on Feb 10, 2007 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

ok
21 Pujols (+1)
12 Carp
5 Edmonds (-1)
5 Rolen

by samael88 on Feb 10, 2007 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Saturday vote...
21 Pujols
12 Carp
4 Edmonds (-)
6 Rolen (+)

Sorry Jimmy.

by Big Rev on Feb 10, 2007 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

hmmm...
21 Pujols
13 Carp (+)
5 Rolen (-)
4 Edmonds

by azruavatar on Feb 10, 2007 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

actual tallies has
Edmonds at 5.  He lost a point between Willie51 and sdesserman.

21 Pujols
13 Carp
5 Rolen
5 Edmonds

A quick way to make sure the total is right is that it should always add up to 44.

by azruavatar on Feb 10, 2007 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Saturdays are made for fight'n
It official I forgive Jimmy Baseball for being kicked out of game 4 in the '05 NLCS.

20 Pujols (-)
13 Carpenter
5 Rolen  
6 Edmonds (+)

by Zubin on Feb 10, 2007 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

I will repeat this move until I no longer can
20 Pujols
14 Carpenter (+)
5 Rolen  
5 Edmonds (-)

by Valatan on Feb 10, 2007 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

a vote for durability
21 Pujols (+)
14 Carpenter
5 Rolen  
4 Edmonds (-)

by DCGreg on Feb 10, 2007 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

For the Future
20 Pujols
14 Carp
6 Rolen (+)
4 Edmonds (-)

Best Hot Corner in the game 'rebounds' even more this year and knocks all that trade talk out of the park in October.

Opening Night 2007, here I come!

by gforce on Feb 10, 2007 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

OH NO
Jimmy should have 3 right here.

by DJ4508 on Feb 11, 2007 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

One for Jimmy
19 Pujols (-)
14 Carp
6 Rolen
5 Edmonds (+)

by JxMetal on Feb 10, 2007 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

A vote
Come on. Jim Edmonds sweats Cardinal Baseball while he's on the beach in Cali. He has been the best center fielder since the hay-days of Griffy Jr, and hasn't been hurt as much as Scotty.

GoGo Jimmy Half-Shirt

19 Pujols
14 Carp
6  Edmonds (+)
5  Rolen (-)

by TICY on Feb 10, 2007 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

A vote for Jimmy Ballgame!
19 Pujols
14 Carp
7 Edmonds (+)
4  Rolen (-)
10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 10, 2007 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

uh-oh
20 Pujols (+)
14 Carp
7 Edmonds
3  Rolen (-)

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 10, 2007 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

Future HOF
21 Pujols (+)
14 Carp
6  Edmonds (-)
3  Rolen

by michajo on Feb 10, 2007 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Saturday Vote
21 Pujols
15 Carp (+)
6 Edmonds
2 Rolen (-)

I dig Scotty, but he hasn't had the moments Jimmy has while here.

by themang on Feb 10, 2007 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

This is tough
I like all 4.

21 Pujols
15 Carp
5 Edmonds (-)
3 Rolen (+)

2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 11, 2007 1:28 AM EST reply actions  

I hope my sermon today is easier than my vote...
23 Pujols (+)
15 Carp
3 Edmonds
2 Rolen (-)

Sorry Scotty. Each negative vote feels like I'm cutting off a finger.

by Big Rev on Feb 11, 2007 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

4 HOFers?
24 Pujols (+)
15 Carp
3 Edmonds
1 Rolen (-)

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 11, 2007 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Closerer
24 Pujols
15 Carp
2 Edmonds (-)
2 Rolen (+)
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 11, 2007 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

I'm gonna miss Jimmy when he's done
24 Pujols
16 Carp (+)
2 Edmonds
1 Rolen (-)

I'm gonna need a few more years for Rolen to really grow on me like Jimmy has.

by azruavatar on Feb 11, 2007 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

jibber jabber
24 pujols
15 carp (-)
2 edmonds
2 rolen (+)

by Willie51 on Feb 11, 2007 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Jimmy's gotta Go
24 pujols
15 carp
3 rolen (+)
1 edmonds (-)

by JxMetal on Feb 11, 2007 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

no one wants to pull the trigger
and eliminate either rolen or edmonds.

Me neither.

24 pujols
16 carp (+)
2 rolen (-)
1 edmonds

by DCGreg on Feb 11, 2007 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

We all knew
it would come down to these 4.  Pujols and Carpenter as 1 and 2 respectively, with Rolen and Edmonds a distant 3 and 4.

25 pujols (+)
16 carp
1 rolen (-)
1 edmonds

Lets get Rolen and JEd off the list so that we can all vote for Pujols and end this game.

by Stanfan6 on Feb 11, 2007 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Easy
25 pujols
17 carp (+)
0 rolen (-)
1 edmonds

by STLEdge on Feb 11, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

sir albert and carp are major icons
and jimmy is past his prime. we still love ya jimmy but....
25 pujols +
17 carp
1 jed -

by luvthemcards on Feb 11, 2007 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Bye Bye Jimmy
25 Pujols
18 Carp (+1)
0 Mr. Edwards

Gonna miss him.

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Feb 11, 2007 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm
That should read

25 Pujols
18 Carp (+1)
0 Edwards (-1)

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Feb 11, 2007 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Pu
26 Pujols +
17 Carp -

by michajo on Feb 11, 2007 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

HGH
27 Pujols +
16 Carp -

Will Carpenter still be here in the morning?

Does anyone fear a vote for Pujols is a vote for HGH?  Who's to say, but didn't we all go ga-ga over Big Mac in his day?  Don't deny it.  

It hurts to even think about, but I fear that in the not-to-distant-future, we'll be feeling betrayed once again.  

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 11, 2007 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Monday vote
for a future Yankee I fear...

28 A'Pu +
15 Carp -

by Zubin on Feb 12, 2007 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

This vote is easier
29 Pujols (+)
14 Carp (-)
2006 World Champs! Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by BozCardsFanSF on Feb 12, 2007 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

Pitching wins Championships
28 Pujols (-)
15 Carp(+)

by JxMetal on Feb 12, 2007 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Mondays
27 El Hombre (-)
16 Carp (+)
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 12, 2007 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

yep
28 Pujols (+)
15 Carp(-)

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 12, 2007 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Poo or Carp...
I choose Pujols.

29 Pujols (+)
14 Carp (-)

Can't go wrong with either.

10-time World Champs!

by TheFranchise9 on Feb 12, 2007 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

el hombre
pujols 29 (+)
Carp  14 (-)

by Willie51 on Feb 12, 2007 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

el hombre
the best player on the planet!

el hombre 31

carp 12

by sdesserman on Feb 12, 2007 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Have to go with Albert
Pujols 32 (+1)
Carpenter 11 (-1)

Heck, Carpenter would vote the same way.

by lawman3842 on Feb 12, 2007 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

+ for Carp
"Carpenter is coming off labrum surgery, which makes him something of an unknown quantity for 2004. Still, it's a reasonable gamble for a team that's in need of rotation help. He'll never be anything better than a solid fourth starter, but then again his minor league numbers never really portended anything greater, despite the hype." -Baseball Prospectus 2004

carpenter +1 (12) for proving BP wrong
Albert -1 (31) sorry mang

"...in winter, when there's no baseball... I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by SleepyCA on Feb 12, 2007 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry Carps.
Pujols 32 (+1)
Carpenter 11 (-1)

by Birdos in Mexico on Feb 12, 2007 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

Pitching wins championships
Pujols 33 -
Carp   10 +

by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Feb 12, 2007 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Both guys give the Cards respectability...
But only one will we tell our grandkids about every day.

Pujols 34 (+)
Carp 9 (-)

by Big Rev on Feb 13, 2007 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

lets keep this moving
Pujols 35 (+)
Carp 8 (-)

by Stanfan6 on Feb 13, 2007 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Tuesday vote
Pronounced...

Poo-holes 36 (+)
Car-pen-ter 7 (-)

by Zubin on Feb 13, 2007 2:26 AM EST reply actions  

Ugh, it pains me so
Like a band-aid, lets just rip it off

El Hombre 37 (+)
El Carp 6 (-)

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2007 3:02 AM EST reply actions  

38 5
Pu 38 (+)
Carp 5 (-)

by lboros on Feb 13, 2007 6:08 AM EST reply actions  

sir albert
pujols 39 (+)
carp 4 (-)

by luvthemcards on Feb 13, 2007 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

We have a winner!
Thanks everyone for participating.  I know it gave me something to glance at during the slow baseball month of February.  

Is 300+ comments a new record for a diary?

Looks like everyone might like a historical version of the Cardinals according to the poll, but I think I'll give it a bit before we start that.  Don't want to burn everyone out on this thought intensive game!

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2007 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

and
we intensive thinkers appreciate your thoughtfulness!  ;)

by sdesserman on Feb 13, 2007 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

it got me through the most boring 2 weeks
of the off season.  It's a fun game, maybe wait until the All-Star Break and do another one.

by SethWestern on Feb 13, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

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