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Premier League Baseball, part 2

In a vacuum, in an ideal world, where the people who head MLB can pass unilateral changes - for the good of the league - without running it past the greedy owners and the intractable players union, a two-tiered major league system could work. A place where inefficient and wrongheaded ownership groups are shuffled out of the deck, and better-run organizations get a chance to rise to the top. Where fans can see top players compete on a daily basis and not be subjected to scrap-heap reclamation projects starting every fifth day.

Now we know that's not going to happen; too much self-interest, too many complications, too many people gumming up the works. But it's interesting to ponder the possibilities. As we continue this thought-provoking exercise, we need to look at how the system would work as a whole and which teams get dropped to Junior Varsity.

Pay No Attention To The Mess Behind The Curtain
The EPL uses a system of two 20-team leagues (actually, several divisions but we're mostly concerned at this point with the top two); I think MLB would be served best by splitting out the top 16 teams for the 1st division and combining the remaining 14 squads with two strong independent minor league operations. Soccer has three teams move between the divisions; for my example below, I used two teams for promotion/relegation.

Without going into a lot of detail as to how the minor leagues would be affected, I would suggest that the top independent organizations have a chance to be promoted to the majors once every five years. You would determine which 2nd division team had the worst record over the previous 5 seasons and replace them with a well-run operation. This would prevent a one-year wonder from being promoted well beyond their ability or a one-year blunder from getting the death sentence unjustly.

As for the schedule, I kept the same 162-game structure, but this adds another wrinkle - how do you arrange the teams? Well, one solution would be to have each team play roughly the same amount of games against the other 15 squads. But you end up with an ungainly arrangement where only the best and worst teams have anything worth fighting for, and the rest of the league is plagued with disinterest. So, switching to two conferences of 8 teams each would be a lot better? Not necessarily, due to uneven competition between conferences and the arbitrary decisions required to make the whole thing work. Picking the lesser of two evils, I say split the teams into two groups and let them fight it out.

The Fear Of Relegation
We have to determine which clubs get relegated to the 2nd division prior to the 2006 season. The easiest way would be to grab the teams with the 14 worst records in 2005 and throw them into the pit. The biggest problem with this is the assumption that this whole process would just be turned on with a flick of a switch. The teams in the league should & would be given an opportunity to adjust to this new line of thinking, and those that failed to adapt would be relegated. It would obviously take a few years to implement the changes.

I ran through a process where, starting with the 2000 season, teams with the four worst records would be placed on probation and could only be taken off if they had one of the top two overall records among those on probation in the next year or later. This would continue until the 14-team quota is reached.

  • 2000: The four worst records are designated for probation- CHN, PHI, MON, TB (I picked TB arbitrarily over fellow 69-win teams MIN & PIT, mainly because I figured they're never going to escape anyway.)
  • 2001: Of the four teams on the list, the Cubs & Phillies win the most games, so they escape. Of teams not on probation already, the four worst teams (PIT, BAL, KC, DET - same deal for DET as TB, at least until 2006) get the scarlet "R".
  • 2002: The Expos and Pirates (with just 72 wins) lose the designation and four more teams (MIL, SD, CHN, TEX) get lumped in with the unwashed masses.
  • 2003: The Cubs yo-yo once again, escaping along with the Royals. The Mets, Indians, Reds, & Rockies are placed on the relegation list (which is now up to ten).
  • 2004: Texas and San Diego return to the fold after 89/87-win seasons, while the Royals, Mariners (3 yrs after 116 wins), D-Backs (3 yrs after WS win), & Expos (another arbitrary decision over Toronto) slip beneath the waves.
  • 2005: Decision time - Cleveland and the Mets get out just in time, while four NL clubs (PIT, LAD, SF, CHN) round out the initial 14 team relegation.
  • Premier League:
    ATL, BOS, CHA, CLE, FLA, HOU, LAA, MIN, NYN, NYA, OAK, PHI, SD, STL, TEX, TOR
    2nd Division:
    ARI, BAL, CHN, CIN, COL, DET, KC, LAD, MIL, PIT, SEA, SF, TB, WAS + two promotions from the independent minor leagues

    If we follow the same line of thinking for the 2006 season, the teams with the two worst records not currently in relegation are the Indians (is the bungee cord still attached?) and the Marlins; the Tigers aren't participating in the World Series in this universe, but they do escape relegation, along with the Dodgers. (NOTE: The Marlins being demoted makes four consecutive NL WS participants (NYN, ARI, SF, FLA) who are relegated exactly three years afterward.)

    But what happens if we look at 2006 using each team's record versus the teams in the Premiership and those in relegation? This would seem to make more sense, as it would be easy to pad your record with games against lesser competition. Using that logic, among teams in the second division, again the Tigers post the best record against the rest of the dross, going 37-16 (.698 win%); the Dodgers repeat as well, with a 61-32 mark (.656).
    On the other hand, the Premier League race yields a surprising result. As before, Florida is one of the two teams sent down, winning only 40% of their games (34-51). The other relegation victim had profited much from the bottom feeders, compiling a 61-48 mark on its way to a 3rd straight division title in the real world in 2006. But competing against just the other first division teams, they only won 22 of 52 games.
    That team - your 2006 World Series Champion St. Louis Cardinals!

    We'll talk about the minors, the draft, and player transactions at the end of next week.

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    I absolutely love soccer and one of the big things that drew me to the sport two decades ago was the concept of relegation.  Fans might be hesistant to change at first but once they realize it'll up the quality of play and force team owners to manage their organizations efficiently I think they'll accept these wholesale changes.   I know this will never happen in baseball.  

    Eventually, if MLS can do something like this with the USL or by having enough viable ownerships and SSS around  by the middle of this decade, then I'll die a happy man.  Relegation is fantastic both for fans and for the players.  

    Bench Juan Encarnacion!

    by STLCardinalsFan on Feb 17, 2007 1:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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    i dont know anything about soccer,but it seems to me that the soccer system resembles the bcs- where no matter what the mid major football school, or the teams in the 2cd soccer divison, record is they are not going to have a shot to win the grand prize. if the 06 tigers were in the 2cd division they would have crushed their opponents and had no shot at a world series title

    by truemun12 on Feb 17, 2007 1:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

    yeah
    doesn't sound like much fun to me
    Evident The Wash.

    by brock on Feb 17, 2007 2:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

    umm
    I think I'll stick to the way things are done in the MLB.
    On with the youth movement!

    by aet15 on Feb 17, 2007 4:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

    Good on you Solanus
    Cool ideas. I'd like to be able to set up a baseball league like the epl on a video game, just to see how it shakes out.
    Cheers

    by Alxfritz on Feb 17, 2007 5:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

    it was alright the first time
    but this topic doesn't really interest me.  New topic please.

    by gocards80 on Feb 17, 2007 11:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

    I have to agree
    Not meaning to be rude, but I'm ready for baseball, not a comparison of baseball organization to that of soccer.

    by busch bird on Feb 17, 2007 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

    Hey, I'm ready for baseball too!
    But without any real developments happening and the same topics that have been discussed a thousand times over, I thought it might be interesting to discuss something slightly off-topic.

    Once the games begin and the quotes start flying, we'll have something substantial to talk about. Until that happens, it doesn't hurt to look at baseball a different way.

    In all seriousness, if you have any perspective or information that would lift this pre-Spring Training boredom, I think we would all appreciate it.

    Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

    by Solanus on Feb 17, 2007 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

    It's all balderdash, really.
    this fictional history of what MLB would be like with relegation (is that really a word?) is a fun feb timekiller -- Thanks for giving me something to help waste an evening thinking about.
    Cheers

    by Alxfritz on Feb 17, 2007 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

    Ahhh Solanus
    So much more tactful than I would have been.

    It's an interesting thought experiment that you've been writing about.  I don't follow soccer at all so I've learned a little as well.

    by azruavatar on Feb 18, 2007 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

    Word up
    I saw those comments and was tempted to link back to a profanity laced rant I wrote a while ago in reaction to someone complaining similarly.

    It reminds me of the muffin-top episode from Seinfeld—complaining about a free meal and all. (Not that your post is the written equivalent of a muffin stump or anything.)

    by liam on Feb 18, 2007 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

    That was a great Seinfeld episode
    Seinfeld was the last great comedy imho.

    I'm glad Solanus replied before I did because I most likely would have resorted to using some choice-four-letter words.  It's a running joke in my circle of friends to say something wickedly barbed and sarcastic and then add a "no offense" afterwards.  I read the comments and that came to mind as well.  As if saying that really does wish away the given offense.

    meh, whatever

    by azruavatar on Feb 18, 2007 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

    19th Century Baseball
    This system reminds me a bit of 19th Century baseball where teams and league came and went from the majors.  Overall I am a bit skeptical of how well it would work.  I do believe most fans need stability in their teams and leagues, which would diminish under the proposed paradigm.

    by Zubin on Feb 18, 2007 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

    relegation in perspective
    I lived for 20+ years in Europe and I got to know about the soccer leagues overthere en their relegation/promotion policies. But still I prefer the ML setup with each team having a Minor League system, where players can be promoted from AAA to the big league team when somebody gets hurt etc. This is (together with the maximum of 25 players on the active roster) a very strong point of ML baseball. In fact I lost a lot of time promoting this specific idea among friends and relations in Europe!

    In the ML big-money, teams are able to practically buy any (better) player they want to. In the relegation/promotion leagues the big-money teams buy twice the number of (better) players they need, for just in case somebody gets injured or doesn't perform as expected. And what's worse: in the process they squeeze the last good players out of small market teams and small country leagues.
    So the problem wil probably not disappear with relagation/promotion leagues, but probably get worse, since the Premier League teams will have more money to spend. I think it's very difficult to find a system where the money-aspect and the sportmanship will be in better balance than the ML-system we know right now, but still I hope this VEB-exercise somehow will find a way to a better system...

    Needless to say the "relegation" of the Cardinals in this tentative model is misleading. Good teams (and the StL Card's are !!) will always adapt to the policies of the system they are playing in, so we don't need to fear a Cardinal relegation for the time being!

    by Johnny64 on Feb 17, 2007 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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