Reyes Thoughts - Sorry In Advance
i started this as a comment in the hot stove diary but when it started to get over two paragraphs i decided to just make it a diary. i don't want this to be a 4-seam/2-seam diary or a reyes has lost his stuff thread.
i want to take a look at reyes perception and see if the that is close or far from the truth.
First off, reyes value to the organization. a lot of people seem to think that the cardinals are under the impression that reyes can't help this team. in particular tony. i think people are confusing tony's dislike of reyes/ryan/drew/etc because of their abilities. as smart as tony is you cannot tell me he thinks that those kids can't play. i have always interpreted tony's actions toward the youngin's as a general dislike for young cocky kids. he feels that they should have to earn a place at the table. you can't tell me that in your profession if a young cocky kid came into your office you would greet him with open arms and give him every advantage you could. no, you would make them earn a spot in the office. that is the same way Tony thinks right or wrong as it may be. i bet tony loved that reyes got knocked down a peg or two and now wants to build him back up.
going from memory, in the interviews with Tony after Reyes starts he was pretty defensive of Reyes most of the time. he would say things like "reyes deserved better than that" when speaking of the run support. he would say things about reyes pitching well. he was more critical of the offense then he was reyes.
i would say that the number one reason for reyes' horrible year was the offense! if he gets 4.68 runs a game in support (as wainer did) he is 5-2 at the end of may. that is astronomically better than 0-8. then for the year he is 13-7. before that last game at phillie he had a 5.69 era. a pitcher that's 13-6 with a 5.69 era... that's our bread and butter. we lived off those kinds of pitchers. suppan, marqus, mulder... looper was 12-12 last year with a 4.94 era getting over 5 runs of support a game. he is guaranteed a spot and thought to have had a decent yeat around here. if reyes gets those same 5 runs he is 17-1. now obviously that's a little far fetched. when was the last time you saw a pitcher with a 6.04 ear go 17-1. but i think it shows how much the offense hurt reyes last year (he got 3.1 runs in support btw - last for pitchers with over 100 innings).
we all talk about the biggest problem he has is giving up the one big inning. can't that be fixed? can't you gameplan with him better so he has more success in those situations? wouldn't 13-7 be a phenomenal year for his first year? there is a good pitcher there to build on i believe.
PS - llboros, if you feel this diary is redudant feel free to hide it.
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Hmmm, I think most fans underestimate the
I always liked Reyes & still do
Anybody think
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His record was .500 (2-2 with 1 ND) when he pitched a quality start, fer chrissakes. If he had more than 5 quality starts out of 20 tries he might have had more wins (AW was 21 for 32 with only 14 wins).
Reyes' Hat...
It's hard to get run support
cocky ?
Exposed socks and a flat-bill hat is "cocky" ??
If anything, I have often heard how WELL Reyes took his yo-yo demotions.
And the other point (altho' I would LIKE to swallow the stats, because I am basically FOR Anthony)... where did your W/L numbers comes from, especially the 17-1 business? As another responder pointed out, Reyes rarely got past the fifth inning. You cannot presume that the relief pitchers would have held the other team scoreless for the last four innings. In other words, you can't compare what Reyes DID give up in five or less innings against what the Cardinals SHOULD have scored for him over nine innings.
e.g. if Reyes left after the fifth with the Cardinals up 6-5, that doesn't guarantee that AR will get a W, or that the Cards will even win THAT game at all. So I am puzzled.
The 2-2 record in quality starts says it all. AR 'could' be average, but he certainly wasn't 'good'... lack of run support notwithstanding.
cocky
"e.g. if Reyes left after the fifth with the Cardinals up 6-5, that doesn't guarantee that AR will get a W, or that the Cards will even win THAT game at all. So I am puzzled."
right. it was more of a hypothetical excercise. the same way we look at projections and such.
if a pitcher gets x run support and has a era of x you can probably predict his win loss record to a certain degree.
that's why i said that 17-1 was obviously a huge reach. but i think that the 13-7 with a <6 era is not that much of a stretch.
the 2-2 record does not say it all from my pov. many of reyes starts were not quality because he was pulled before 6 innings. some of those starts weren't bad, he just got pulled by tony.
looking back over the numbers he had this year, they really weren't "he's done" bad for his first full year imo.
Reyes for 08
by RonGant on Dec 8, 2007 9:49 PM EST reply actions
+1
Give 'im another shot.
by yer dog first on Dec 8, 2007 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. I'm one of the few here that
And if folks are seriously worried about the hat and the socks, that's just silly. Besides, he quit wearing the socks like that at the end of the year. This team has a manager that wears sunglasses at night, a pitching coach with a 4-inch white binder-Mr. Duncan, get an effin lap top!--the other managers and pitching coaches don't do that. If management can't handle someone because they are "different" they don't deserve to have the job.
Keep him
by Whynot on Dec 9, 2007 11:06 AM EST reply actions

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