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weekend update

saturday morning thisnthat:

  • perhaps this got mentioned somewhere on the site --- or maybe it didn't; maybe it's not worth the pixels --- but the cards signed another minor-league free agent last week, former big-league catcher mark johnson. this guy's the very definition of a journeyman --- 32 years old, now with his 7th team --- but it's interesting how much he has in common with the other backup c the cardinals signed, jason larue: left-handed hitter, low batting average but good secondary offensive skills, solid defense. johnson hasn't played in the majors since 2004 and hasn't had more than 100 at-bats in a big-league season since 2002, so it's not as if this guy is poised to make a difference. nonetheless, you can still detect a faint trace of fresh thinking in this signing. bryan smith of Baseball Prospectus, one of the better-regarded minor-league observers around, called johnson "one of the winter's top minor league free agents" and "the best player available beyond [Brian] Barton and Lubanski." so as far as smith is concerned, the cardinals picked up 2 of the top 3 freely available minor-league position players this year. johnson also was one of the catchers listed on baseball america's best-of-the-milb-free-agents team.
  • stray line from mozeliak, quoted in a recent post at matt leach's blog, explaining the lack of a trade matchup for anthony reyes: "I think when you try to weigh out the value, people are trying to look at how he pitched last year, and his record, and thinking they can just take advantage of that situation. And I think internally we look at him a little better than that." like the thinking here too: the cards know he's better than a 2-14 pitcher and aren't gonna simply dump the kid out in the alley. does this mean reyes will be on the st louis roster? he's out of options and probably won't make it through waivers; maybe, against all odds, he'll be back. or maybe the bids on reyes will become more attractive as the market thins out. however it shakes out, so far mo has resisted the pressure to make a stupid move just for the sake of making a move.
  • about a month ago, citing a post at South Side Sox, i noted the similarity between the white sox's position and the cardinals'. SSS is back at it; read this screed and tell me if it doesn't sound familiar. he decries the sox's unwillingness to pay over slot in the amateur draft; their reluctance to offer arbitration to departing free agents; and their refusal to lay out big bucks for big-name free agents. he also complains of inactivity in the international talent market, a complaint that until a few years ago would have applied to the cardinals. . . . taken in isolation these critiques all seem to stand up, but they don't fare so well when placed into the context of the standings. you could levy the same criticisms against three of the last five champions (marlins, white sox, cards). and all but one of last year's four lcs participants (dbacks, rockies, indians) are slotniks in the draft and non-factors in the free-agent market. in the end, it's still about talent evaluation, not about money. spending exorbitantly in the draft and/or free-agent markets can yield an advantage, but it's exaggerated; it's not a prerequisite for being competitive.
  • pirates fans apparently are freaking out that the pirates didn't take brian barton in the rule V draft. in fact, they're pretty unimpressed overall with new gm neal huntington --- and (like many cardinal fans wrt mozeliak) torqued that he hasn't fixed the team in his first six weeks on the job. Bucs Dugout counsels patience.

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MO 'horrified'
Check out this quote from a Chicago writer on the winter meetings:

"Rookie GM John Mozeliak, who got the job after the highly regarded Walt Jocketty was canned, has added no one significant this winter (no, Cesar Izturis doesn't count) and was horrified Wednesday when manager Tony La Russa delivered an unprovoked attack on Scott Rolen."

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-071206rogerswinter,1,3035693.column? coll=cs-cubs-headlines

He goes on to say that Milwaukee backed out of the Scott Rolen talks because STL management would not pick up part of Rolen's contract.  You don't think Tony blasted Rolen in public as part of a ploy to push management to pony up and unload Rolen?  I wouldn't put anything past the increasingly hard ass LaRussa.  IMHO, the negatives of this man's personality have intensified since the DWI thing.

STL is not a town for soap operas.  Management made a mistake by resigning LaRussa.  They've made the bed, now they must lie in it.  Go to the vault, get the money, and send Scott Rolen + cash to some team who will give us something resembling value in return.  LaRussa's public bashing of Rolen has made MO's job harder but the situation is what it is.

by jjray on Dec 8, 2007 10:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind
it's Phil Rogers.  Not exactly a brilliant guy.

by sdrone on Dec 8, 2007 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not familiar with Rogers
Brilliant not necessary.  Ability to accurately record a quote is essential.  If he has correctly given us the quote from Mozeliak, then it speaks volumes to the situation inside the Cards organization.

by jjray on Dec 8, 2007 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not a mo quote
the quote above is a quote from the article as written by rogers.  mo did not say he was horrified, at least not to rogers.  

we'll see what show's up in Mo's Diary soon enough...

by birdsonthebat on Dec 8, 2007 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reyes
I can't believe that there is even a 1% chance that Reyes will be in the '08 rotation.  He's out of options, as you say, and every GM in baseball knows that Mo is going to have to get rid of him, either through trade or through waivers.  

Mo absolutely should push the idea that we don't have to get rid of him, that he's undervalued and will pitch better, etc. but I really don't think any GM is going to fall for it -- at least not any one who cares about young pitching.  Everybody knows Tony and Dunc don't like him and they'll wait Mo out, daring him to try to get him through waivers.  

He may be able to get something more during the spring from a decent team who knows they'll never get a chance to claim him on waivers, but no one's going to be fooled by the notion that he may be in the Cards' rotation in '08.

by chuckb on Dec 8, 2007 10:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm stunned that they are surprised
that no GM will give them value for him.  I've posted it before, and I'll probably post it again, because that's the way I roll.  (I work in elementary education-repetition, revisit, review) They have NEVER acted in a way that says they have any regard for Mr. Reyes, and he's pitched poorly under their guidance.  I have no doubt there's a lot of interest because the other teams think they can pick some low hanging fruit.  The  Cards have been spouting negative comments about him since early 2006-don't think for a moment every organization that has the slightest interest in him doesn't have every one of them filed with their scouting report. Reyes is not in their plans, they said it repeatedly, on the record.  A GM would be remiss if he didn't bring that fact up.  If Mr. Mozeliak is sincere about his regard for Mr. Reyes he is, oh, about 20 months too late.  
And just for you, Mr. Red Baron, wherever you are, I'm going to express my admiration and respect once again for the way Reyes handled his difficulties here.  Because we all know there is no way out of Mr. LaRussa's doghouse.  Bye Anthony, and good luck.

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please post the link
To where they said Reyes wasn't in their plans. I don't think they EVER said that.

by Forsch31 on Dec 8, 2007 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, dear. They have said it at the end of the
season-sometime early October, in a big article in the PD.  They have said it since Mozeliak became GM; they said it when Jocketty was still here.  I just went to the stltoday to find the link, and they said it was unable to access my request and try back later.  If someone else can get through to the link, help me out here.

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed
I've never once seen anyone say Reyes wasn't a part of the teams plans in 2008. I have heard them say they wanted him in the minors in 2007--but thats that.I know fans WANT there to be this idea that the Cardinals dont want him--Im just not sure it exists.
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by beanocook on Dec 8, 2007 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sigh
(in response to jillsinmo's post). i understand that repetition can be valuable for grade schoolers, but i don't think it is as necessary on this site. i think everyone here knows how you feel about the reyes situation.

if they really thought so poorly of him, why did he pitch game 1 of the world series when the "veteran" marquis was available? why did they keep giving him chances last year when many outside observers were scratching their heads at why an (at one time) 0-10 pitcher with a 6+ ERA was still on the major league roster?

the main problem i have with these posts about what the cardinals' management "thinks" is that they are almost always vague and attribute too many thoughts, motives, and prejudices to people whose thoughts we really cannot be sure about. we can only speculate. there is no evidence to these accusations. i don't see how they are at all productive.

reyes' problem next year re: the cards is that he will be competing for a number 4 or 5 starter's spot with about 7 other number 4 or 5 starters. i'm sure they would keep him in the minors if they could (if needed), but they can't.

by willievinceterry on Dec 8, 2007 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What chances?
Last year they treated him like a yo-yo. Any other team would have stuck him in the starting rotation and left him there. He's done all he possibly can in the minors.

Heck, even last year, he was stuck in AAA behind the terrible Ponson for much of the year.

by DiscoJer on Dec 8, 2007 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Any other team...
...would have stuck him in the starting rotation and left him there."

That is also speculation, and I sincerely doubt it is true. If nothing else, it is unfair to the other pitchers and sets a bad precedence to give preferential treatment to a guy who isn't pitching well. Granted, the bottom of the rotation was bad all around. But Wells, Wellemeyer, Thompson, and Maroth were all bumped from the rotation at times as well. To keep Reyes in come hell or high water and then bump other people would not be fair or reasonable. You might say there's a difference in upside between those pitchers, but that isn't the only factor because past performance (in Maroth's and later Mulder's case), "stuff" and the occasional lights-out game (Wells...remember the 8 IP, 2 H performance against the Marlins mid-summer?), and relative success (Wellemeyer, Thompson) pointed toward at least giving the others a shot as well. It would simply not have been fair to give Reyes preferential treatment above all of them.

He was sent to the minors unlike the others (save, Thompson, who also got "yo-yoed") because he COULD be -- there were limited roster spots and no one else could be sent down. That's the life of a player with minor-league options. Same thing happened to Schumaker, and unlike Reyes, he was actually performing really well.

by willievinceterry on Dec 8, 2007 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Ponson
Look at Ponson's game logs until June 7th.  He was actually pretty good up until that point, and coupling that with his superior spring training (compared to Reyes's) he earned his spot in the rotation.  After four poor starts out of his next 6, he was dumped.  Reyes had already made 4 starts by that point.  Reyes went on to make more starts and throw more innings than Ponson did as a Cardinal.  So I would argue that Reyes was not really stuck behind a terrible Ponson, considering that he was already spot starting games even when Ponson was pitching well, and that by the point Ponson was dumped Reyes was a member of the rotation anyway.  So it wasn't exactly a one for one swap.  

by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 8, 2007 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're thinking
of wainwright.  Reyes was awful in spring '06 (ERA over 8), but AW looked like an ace (ERA under 1).  I agree that the spring '06 "competition" was a farce though.
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by SleepyCA on Dec 8, 2007 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He pitched game one of the Series
because they had nothing to lose-we were not the favorites going in, if they got anything from him it would be a bonus. And they were done with  Marquis at that point.  They knew they weren't going to bring him back.

Oh, and by the way, everyone knows what you think about the Reyes situation too.

I'm going to speculate, from numerous comments and actions, that Reyes isn't in the plans.  He never really was in the plans, and for some unknown reason they have been reluctant to part ways with him.   I can't know all the hows and whys, so of course there's some speculation, but this IS a place to come and voice opinions.  That's all I'm doing.
 

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speculate???
Um, Jill, I think it was reported sometime ago that Reyes was not in the plans.  They are reluctant to part with him for the same reason they are reluctant to part with Rolen.  In both cases their past year isn't indicative of their future performance nor of their value.
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by Zubin on Dec 8, 2007 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no! I'm not really speculating!
I was reponding to willievinceterry, who thinks I'm speculating.  I know Reyes is not in their plans.  I know they stated they want to trade him.  If I think about it, I might guess they are worried he will figure everything out and might turn out to be a useful pitcher for someone.  That's why they haven't traded him, but it's stupid.  If they don't want him, they don't want him.  Be done with it already!

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"I know Reyes is not in their plans."
"I know they stated they want to trade him."

This is an example of what I'm talking about. You don't actually know this and can't know this. It may be true, but unless you are involved with discussions with the front office or have read a definitive from-the-horse's-mouth report, it is by definition speculation.

Maybe I've been reading too much philosophy (Hume, etc.), but I can spot an inductive fallacy when I see one. Sorry.

by willievinceterry on Dec 8, 2007 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"inductive fallacy" ...
sorry, that was an idiotic and smug (and inaccurate) thing of me to say. what i was trying to get at is how hard it is to be sure even in drawing conclusions when we have sound premises. when it's all guesswork from the ground up, that makes the "conclusions" even more suspect.

back to my philosophy paper...

by willievinceterry on Dec 9, 2007 1:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"He pitched game one of the Series..."
...because they had nothing to lose."

More speculation and attributing of thoughts/motives! Are you saying they weren't trying to win? If they had nothing to lose, then what difference would it make if they had just started Marquis. Why not start Scott Spiezio as pitcher? Of course they wanted to win and felt like he gave them their best chance that game.

Re: this: "Oh, and by the way, everyone knows what you think about the Reyes situation too."

This is only because certain people keep bringing this stuff up over and over again. I don't think I initiate these discussions, but I do feel compelled to respond when there are accusations being made that go beyond what any fan could POSSIBLY know about the situation. I don't claim to know what La Russa, Duncan, Jocketty, or Mo think about Reyes; I can't possibly know. There are hints here and there that can be construed one way or another ... but nothing that can be taken to establish these speculations as "facts," which some people seem to do.

If you want to speculate, that's fine, but I personally am bothered when people who know no more than I (another fan) know treat there speculations as facts, foregone conclusions, etc. It is not fair to attribute motives to people when we can't possibly know what they are really thinking or what really goes on in evaluating these situations.

by willievinceterry on Dec 8, 2007 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
They were a professional baseball team playing in the World Series, something they may never make again (Cubs!).  I'd say they had a whole fucking lot to lose!  If they honestly thought that Reyes wasn't the best option to start Game One then they would have started Marquis, or maybe had Mulder throw right handed, or started Hancock, or maybe even Rolen, shit I don't know.  I highly doubt they tossed Reyes out there "just cuz."  

by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 8, 2007 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cards
don't get another pitcher. FA or trade Reyes is number 5 in the rotation. They will not give him away.

by nybirdfan on Dec 8, 2007 9:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox
Living in Chicago, I get to hear all about the trials and tribulations of the Chicago White Sox and while their situation is similar to the Cards, I feel the White Sox have made their own bed more than the Cards have.

The Sox simply undermine themselves by creating team rules that prohibit them from certain playes.  They have this set of rules that they have made very public.  First and foremost, they do not do business with Scott Boras.  That in itself sounds like a good idea until you realize Boras controls a huge chunk of baseball players and a huge-er chuck of baseball's really good players.

They also state publically they don't give any pitcher more than a 3 year deal.  Granted they went over that to re-sign Buehrle which is fine, I guess.  But to go over that and sign Scott Linebrink to 4 years is really strange.  

And there's a whole list of other "do's" and "don'ts" the team thinks is important which basically keeps them from acquiring certain talent.  Then, what's really funny, is when they don't sign anyone impactful, Kenny Williams gets all bent out of shape and refuses to talk to the media like they sabotaged his entire operation.

That team is a mess.  Much more than the Cardinals ever were, and at least our team is starting to correct itself.

by Big Red on Dec 8, 2007 10:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Sox a mess?
it starts at the top. For all the complaints there are about LaRussa, at least we don't have Ozzie Guillen.

To wit

I love Fire Joe Morgan!

by chuckb on Dec 8, 2007 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Red
That's absolutely true, with regards to how big of a mess the White Sox are.  However, the whole bit about how much their rules are hurting them isn't quite as different from the Cardinals as you think.  The Cardinals may not have concretely codified their rules for running a ball club, but the LaRussa/Duncan braintrust seem, to me at least, to have become much more hidebound, arrogant, and inflexible the last couple of years.  Their insistence on a certain type of player, etc., puts the Cardinals in a situation that, while not nearly as severe as the south siders, does have similar elements.  

To me, this is one of the classic things that always exists to some extent or another in declining organisations.  A faction, or perhaps the whole of the org., that refuses to adapt their ideas, and insists on doing things the same way they have all along, regardless of whether it's the best way or not.  

Punch. Drink. Cry.

by the red baron on Dec 10, 2007 8:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.
I read Derrick Goold's "Who Bats Leadoff?" piece on his Bird Land blog the other day.  He ran a lineup generator at Baseball Musings using the Cards '07 OBP and SLG.  The top 30 lineups it produced had the pitcher batting 8th.  Now I see that Rastronomicals has done something similar in the Crawfish Boxes post that Larry cited today.  He ran a generator using '08 ZIPS projections for current Astros and the 10 best lineups it produced all had the pitcher batting 8th.

So...., why is TLR the only NL manager willing to try the concept?

by cardsgirl95 on Dec 8, 2007 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Baseball
has always been the last sport to embrace change in the "traditional" ways of the game. That said, I'm betting we'll see Bob Melvin do it in AZ this year; at least with Micah Owings. The kid could be another version of Brooks Kieschnick or Rick Ankiel(sans HGH, of course).
"It's always about the money. Anyone who says it's not is lying."- Gene Simmons

by cardsrul on Dec 8, 2007 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I came across something last night
that the D'Backs are thinking about playing Micah Owings in between starts at 1st base.  I like that kind of thinking.  I always thought it would be the A's to try this first.

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting....
if he really has that kind of stick (and it looked damn good last year) to hold up at ~120 games at first and some 30 starts, that would be a brilliant find.  Just makes you wonderr if he continues to pitch well, what he might command as a 1b/SP in arbitration and on the free-agent market.  How do you think this kid might look in pinstripes?  how about a bit farther North?

interested to see how this kid plays out.

by HoosierCardFan on Dec 8, 2007 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He apparently does
have that kind of stick.  He was a two way player in college-a good one.  There was surprise by some that he was drafted as a pitcher.  I would love to have someone like him on this team.  

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's still very early
and I must admit that I liked the idea of Antonetti coming, TLR going, and embrace the change of the new path.  Obviously, Antonetti did not come, and sadly, TLR did not go, and I think, if I had to do things over, would still root the same way.

TLR has handled himself as anything but a mensch, and I thought the Rolen comments were a brilliant (but obnoxious) tactic to get the green GM to panic.  

As for Antonetti, though I was heart-broken he chose not to come, and really worried about Mozeliak, I am liking what I'm seeing so far with Mo.  He seems quite patient and I like how he's handled the free-agent minors, the Reyes & Rolen issues, and not biting on the big name Free agents.  Now, if we could just get him to go ahead and offer Eckstein arbitration, then i'd give him a gold star.

by HoosierCardFan on Dec 8, 2007 11:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

bucsdugout
if bucs dugout thinks they have too many outfielders, maybe they will give us jason bay after all.

by sportsman on Dec 8, 2007 11:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

And I wish we'd get Fukodome.....
my teenage sons would have a field day making snarky comments about that name.....

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 12:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
I was wondering about that too (LOL)

by tbell61 on Dec 8, 2007 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fuukodome
Is that a movie studio in Chatsworth or something???
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Dec 8, 2007 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...the other guy kids of all ages
..will love, is Kazuo Fukumori! Yankee fans must be looking forward to cheering Kazuo!
Trade for Sean Rodriguez! (But please dont call him S-Rod!)

by cardschinmusic on Dec 9, 2007 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Torres to the Brewers...
He says in the Pittsburgh paper that he may retire rather than report to the Brew Crew!

He's got several million reasons to get over it, but YIKES!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Dec 8, 2007 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I dunno
I lived  in Milwaukee, and I can't really blame him. Though coming from Pittsburgh...

by Red in Chicago on Dec 8, 2007 1:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Crudale
I'll always have fond memories of him for throwing at Kenny Lofton in the 2002 NLCS.

by 26thMan on Dec 8, 2007 1:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, I love Kenny Lofton......
but he IS the kind of player you need to knock on his behind every once in awhile.

by jillsinmo on Dec 8, 2007 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I wish they wouldn't have broken up 5'11 190 Lofton from 6'5 225 Beckett.  
Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Dec 8, 2007 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just a tad O/T,
but am I the only one that was unaware that Rick Hummel and DeWitt are on the HOF Veteran's Committee? (The list is about 1/4 way down the page)
"It's always about the money. Anyone who says it's not is lying."- Gene Simmons

by cardsrul on Dec 8, 2007 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Paying over slot
If Detriot held the same philosophy we do in regards to paying over slot, where would they be this off-season?

by RedbirdRay on Dec 8, 2007 3:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well
They'd be dealing Maybin and Kershaw without the 100 mph reliever instead of Maybin, Miller and the 100 mph guy.  Of course they wouldn't have Porcello still as a chip but their success has a lot to do with having sucked for awhile and less to do with over-slot.
Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Dec 8, 2007 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin
Didn't he drop to 10th due to concerns over his signability?  I believe he was paid over slot also.

The depth of thier farm system and number of trade-able top notch chips seems to indicate the money can be a nice investment.

Of course, Miller was over slot.   You can trace it back...Verlander.  

I agree, you don't get a chance at the high picks if you don't stink.   But, Maybin and Miller both seemed to fall to Detroit due to other teams unwillingness to pay up.

by RedbirdRay on Dec 8, 2007 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So what is the profile of the SP we seek?
I could really use some help here.  I have a lot of questions about how we should go about identifying a desirable SP for 2008.  Unfortunately, I am the proverbial person who knows just enough to be dangerous.  I believe there are very good statistical tools to help answer this, but I don't know how to access and collate the data.

It seems we are going to continue to embrace the "pitch to contact" philosophy for at least the next two years.  Since (even with Izturis) our MI defense figures to be suspect, I am not so sure we really want ground ball pitchers - especially if Rolen gets moved.  Are their defensive stats for pitchers?  Our outfielders, even Duncan, seem to have pretty good range and our ballpark seems fairly neutral, so maybe a flyball pitcher (Reyes throwing 4-seamers and change-ups) would be a good solution.  

I would be very excited if someone could pull together some numbers to help identify potentially available pitchers who might best fill the bill.  Just please don't suggest that the answer is Livan Hernandez.  Of all pitchers with 200+ IP in'07 he had the league put up a combined .308/.371/.499 against him.  That's right, an OBP of .870!!  He also had the lowest number of Ks.

I look forward to an intriguing discussion

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Dec 8, 2007 3:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

my 2-cent ignorant advice
is as it always is: find another Bob Tewksbury.

I'm not one of those who demean a pitch-to-contact philosophy for starting pitchers... unless, of course the pitcher is a more strike-em-out type talent (which means he has some good combination of heat, or vicious hook, or tricky delivery, or way better than average moose-like stamina... and how many of THOSE are there?)

And I DO realize some obvious points: a) that pitch-to-contact works far better and makes more sense with a good overall defensive team; b)the heart of a p-t-c defense {or any defense, really) OUGHT to be the middle infield... and that our MI this year may be questionable; and c) a p-t-c hurler DOES tend to give up more HITS, and thus probably sustains a poorer-LOOKING ba/against and ops/against.

BUT...I love pointing this out: Bob Tewksbury (who never had a good hits-to-innings ratio) had an amazing two years in a row wherein (in over 30 starts each) he walked only 20 batters each season.  Going over 200 innings both years, and compiling a combined 33-15 record.

* I concede Ozzie was the SS in both '92 and '93, but I don't recall the team overall being very good.

by the Tewk on Dec 8, 2007 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bonds and Big mac and issue of race?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=3145754&lpos=spotligh t&lid=tab1pos2

I hate the spin and dis-sagree with it..i want to believe big mac was innocent because he was a card nto cause he's white, but since his day in court i think its evident he probably did something..but im not here to talk about the past..

I have read many here speculate about him although i don't know anyones race..

To my knowledge he's never lied in court..unless we count his dodging in front of congress..

I wish that they could cover the story wihtout making it a race thing...Some things are about race but I don't think this is one of them.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Dec 8, 2007 5:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

race colors people's perceptions
but as far as legality, isn't it just the difference between mcgwire pleading the fifth and bonds (allegedly) making statements he knew were untrue? which is not to say they wouldn't have gone after bonds for something else if they couldn't hit him up for perjury, of course...

by willievinceterry on Dec 8, 2007 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Larue
I didn't notice if anybody else has pointed out that Jason Larue bats right-handed.

by DizzyDean17 on Dec 8, 2007 6:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

'ol Diz beat me to it
I was waiting to get to the bottom of the posts to point this out, too.  Because when Larry implied LaRue was a lefty hitter, I bit for second and thought... hey that pick up is better than I thought (Yadi being a righty, of course).
But then my steel-trap memory (HA) conjured up LaRue hitting with the Reds a few years ago -- definitely the right side of the plate.

While I'm at it (I live close enough to Cincy to see them a lot)... LaRue can definitely be a stick!  I know he has had injuries (knee, I think)... but he is also an eat nails for breakfast tough competitor, and THAT doesn't go away even with a deteriorating body.  I think we will appreciate him this season.

by the Tewk on Dec 8, 2007 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Larue
I agree with Tewk....first on his choice of screen name.......Tewksbury is one of the most humble guys I have ever met and got more out of his ability than most, wherever he is....I'll bet he is happy and successful........but I digress....I too watched Larue at GOB on numerous occasions and found him to be a battling pro to the finest degree....not the greatest natural skills and now some age and injury but if he is healthy, his heart and soul will make for a fine backup catcher and teammate

by Hinkster on Dec 8, 2007 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tewk and Dizzy
were at the opposite ends of the "humble spectrum" among pitchers that enjoyed at least some success for the Cardinals.

by DizzyDean17 on Dec 8, 2007 10:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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