Too close for comfort
So azruavatar's story a week ago Friday got me to thinking about bullpens and they way they're used in today's game. How are/should bullpens be structured? The 1-inning closer, largely patterned by LaRussa's use of Eckersley in the late 80's and early 90's, is here to stay, of course. Much has been made of the poor way in which closers have been used - very often in lower leverage situations than the setup men or 7th inning relievers who precede them. Too often managers wait until the 9th inning w/ no one on base to use the closer rather than bringing him in during the 8th when the leverage index may be higher. Maybe the setup man will get out of it; maybe he won't and then there's nothing left for the closer to close. There's nothing new in that.
If the closer is the most important member of the bullpen, possibly as important as a #1 starter, does it not make sense that the closer should be the best reliever? In fact, the majors' best closer last season had as many win shares as Johan Santana did. Too often, however, managers select some relatively inferior reliever to close games all the while wasting their best reliever in the 7th or 8th inning. I suppose the term "wasting" is a relative term - by that I mean using him in a lower leverage situation than is optimal.
Quickly, name the 5 best relievers in baseball. Billy Wagner or Mariano Rivera on your list? They shouldn't be. The top 5 closers by saves last year were Jose Valverde, Joe Borowski, Francisco Cordero, Trevor Hoffman, and Bobby Jenks. Any of them on your list? They shouldn't be yet Cordero parlayed his 44 save season into a 4 year, $46 million contract from the Reds and the Astros gave up 3 players in a trade for Jose Valverde (back to that one soon).
Only 2 of last year's 8 playoff teams had closers who earned more than Brett Myers' $5 million (Rivera and Rodriguez). Most of the highest paid closers - Wagner, B.J. Ryan, Izzy, Hoffman, Lidge, and Nathan - watched the playoffs on TV w/ the rest of us.
Below is a chart of the top 15 relievers as measured by lineup-adjusted win expectation above replacement, win shares, and win productivity added. You should notice a lot of similarity between the 3 lists.
| WXRL | WS | WPA |
|---|---|---|
| Putz | Putz | Putz |
| Betancourt | Saito | Betancourt |
| Saito | Betancourt | Saito |
| Bell | Jenks | Bell |
| Papelbon | Nathan | Soria |
| Nathan | Bell | Papelbon |
| Soria | Capps | Nathan |
| Okajima | Rodriguez | Rodriguez |
| Lyon | Accardo | Okajima |
| Valverde | Izzy | Neshek |
| Rodriguez | Papelbon | Marmol |
| Izzy | Valverde | Lyon |
| Corpas | Corpas | Izzy |
| Pena | Lyon | Corpas |
| Capps | Wagner | Pena |
The undisputed top 3 relievers in baseball were J.J. Putz, Rafael Betancourt, and Takashi Saito - not exactly household names, though 2 were actually closers last year. In fact the one who isn't (Betancourt) sets up one of those (Borowski) who finished in the top 5 in saves. As for consistency of measurement, the minimum number of different pitchers on these 3 lists is 15 while the maximum is 45. There are exactly 20 different names on these 3 lists so we can say that there's certainly a lot of uniformity among the lists. In fact, 10 of the 20 names are on all 3 lists and Joakim Soria probably would have been if the list had been expanded to include 18 names.
Still we see no Rivera, no Hoffman, Wagner's only included once, Lidge - well, nevermind.
There's a lot of dispute about what makes a good closer. A lot of people like experience in their closer. Need I point out that Jonathan Papelbon had absolutely 0 experience as a closer before being turned to out of necessity last year and he ended up as 1 of the best in the game - he finished '06 #2 in WXRL. Takashi Saito, though he had experience in Japan, had none here and the Dodgers turned to him out of necessity. He's become outstanding. J.J. Putz had none, in the majors or minors, before turning into one of the game's best in '06. Joe Nathan, who'll hit the jackpot when he becomes a free agent at the end of this season, had no experience as a closer when the Twins traded for him. He was a middle reliever w/ a good K rate who they plugged in and all of a sudden they had a premier closer. The Reds, on the other hand, believing that they had no one else, gave Cordero nearly $12 M per year for 4 years b/c he had experience.
There are several problems w/ contracts such as these. The first is that, of course, that's $12 M the Reds won't have to spend on starting pitching. Granted, there's none available via FA this offseason but it still inhibits their ability to trade for a high-priced pitcher. Another problem is that closers, generally, have very short windows of success. Because their success is largely predicated on having superior stuff and the ability to blow hitters away doesn't generally last that long, they tend to be very successful only for a short time. It's important to remember that the Riveras, Wagner, even the Izzys are the exception, not the rule. It's far more common to have people like Mark Wohlers, John Rocker, and Brad Lidge than the 3 success stories. (I'm pulling for Lidge, by the way - not sure why, probably b/c he's no longer an Astro.)
The biggest problem, however, with throwing tons of money at an older closer who has "experience" closing games is the one I've already alluded to - the opportunity cost. Each team likely has 1 or 2 or even more people who can do the job at least as capably, and probably better than the present closer and can do it much more cheaply. Why, exactly, do the Indians continue to turn to Borowski and the Tigers, for the love of all that is holy, to Todd freaking Jones? B/c they have "experience" closing games. Do they have someone better? Unquestionably. Would the Rockies have made it to the playoffs, and then the World Series, if they hadn't turned to unknown Manny Corpas as their closer? Doubtful. The Cubs went into the playoffs w/ Ryan Dempster as their closer. Fortunately for them they never got close enough vs. the D'backs to have him blow a game, b/c he certainly would have. They think so much of Dempster as their closer that they've moved him back into the rotation. I don't know who'll close for the Cubs. It should be Carlos Marmol and maybe with the dearth of "experienced" closers out there, it actually will be but I'll believe it when I see it.
We know by now that the Astros are mortgaging about 5 years in the future at a halfway decent chance of winning in the next 2. In doing so, they traded Chad Qualls, Chris Burke, and their #4 prospect (in an admittedly horrible system), Juan Gutierrez, for Jose Valverde. Let's examine this for a moment. What made Chris Burke, their #1 draft pick in 2001 (#10 overall) expendable? -- the signing of Kaz Matsui to a 3 year, $15 M contract. I'd bet my next paycheck that Burke would have been as good or better than Matsui at about 25% of the price. So they traded him, their #4 prospect, and Chad Qualls for Valverde. Isn't it likely that Qualls would have been as good as Valverde in the 9th for the Astros?
| K/BB | HR/9 | GB% | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Qualls | 3.12 | 1.09 | 57.7 |
| Valverde | 3.00 | 0.98 | 36.7 |
Granted, Qualls' HR rate is a little higher than Valverde's but he gets a ton of ground balls to go w/ a pretty stout K/BB. His K rate is a little lower than Valverde's but so is his BB rate. Which would you rather have? - Valverde and Matsui or Qualls, Burke and your #4 prospect. Remember, you have to take Matsui's contract as well. Did I mention that Valverde is 2 years until free agency and Qualls has 3? Why didn't they just plug Qualls in? - "experience."
The bottom line is that teams need to be willing to think outside the box when looking for closers. I'm not saying that any jackass can do it b/c that's simply not true. But neither is it true that you have to find someone who's done it before. Most every team has someone w/ the requisite skills to be able to handle the job. This becomes particularly important as, at the end of the season, the Cards are going to have to figure out what to do about Izzy. He's a free agent for real this time. He currently earns $8 M and, if he has a good year again, he'll get a good contract when he becomes a free agent.
The Cards do have Chris Perez in the minors with an eye toward making him the closer of the future and Ryan Franklin was superb last year. Franklin's '07, I feel, was a mirage, however. The only reliever in the top 30 in WXRL w/ a lower K rate than Franklin's 4.95 was Brandon Lyon's 4.86. Franklin's not an extreme GB pitcher (49.4%) and the his BABIP against was .251 - probably unrepeatable for someone who allows so many balls to be put into play.
Will Tony feel comfortable going w/ Perez in `09? I wonder. Perez's problem to this point has been throwing strikes. His career minor league BB/9 is 6.33. He doesn't, however, have a problem missing bats as his career minor league K/9 is 10.73, for a K/BB of 1.70. The most similar pitcher to those numbers in the majors last year was Seattle's young pitcher Brandon Morrow who finished w/ a WXRL of 2.346 despite walking 7.11 per 9 innings. Does Perez need to bring down his walks? Unquestionably. Nevertheless, he needs to be given every chance this spring to make the roster and should pitch in the big leagues in '08. Having a high walk rate, b/c of the very high K rate, shouldn't preclude him from making the Cards' pen. It appears that relievers can survive in the major w/ high walk rates (Morrow, Derrick Turnbow, Luis Vizcaino) if they also have a high K rate. To be a closer, he's going to have to get it (the BB rate) down. But it doesn't mean he can't be successful in the majors now.
The Cards have other players in their system who should be considered for this role in the event that Perez is traded or doesn't pan out. Kenny Maiques, Jason Motte, and Josh Kinney, if he returns healthy, all seem to have the ability to miss bats - the primary skill needed to be a closer, and one much more important than experience. Additionally, if Mozeliak looks outside the organization for Izzy's replacement he should expand his search to include those, like Chad Qualls or Joe Nathan, who have the skills to close even if they've never had the opportunity. Being able to replace an $8 M closer w/ one earning closer to $1 M will be a key toward replenishing the roster and getting the Cards back to the top of the NL Central.
On a completely unrelated note, I want to wish everybody out there a Merry Christmas. I'm a high school teacher in my spare time (i.e. -- when I'm not posting on VEB) and the sponsor for our National Honors Society. Saturday we took over $1200 in food and Christmas presents to 2 families that we "adopted" for Christmas. These families had little food in the house and nothing under the tree for the 12 kids total. The looks on these parents' faces were probably the best gifts I'll get this Christmas. To me, it's what Christmas is all about. The Cards are important, of course, but they're not THAT important. I apologize for the unsolicited preachiness but I hope we all remember how fortunate we are, that we can commisserate and bitch (if necessary) about the Cards. Many aren't so fortunate. Merry Christmas. I hope each of you has a holiday that is as rewarding as mine has been and that each of you gets the gift that you wanted most.
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Good everything
by mojowo11 on Dec 23, 2007 2:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What to do with Izzy after '08???
Another excellent job HC.
by Zubin on Dec 23, 2007 2:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Either options...
... would be good, if a meaningful trade can be made, go for it. Arbitration will not be offered in case he'll be a class A FA, because the pick will be ensured anyway.
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Dec 24, 2007 4:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy
by joker24 on Dec 23, 2007 3:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
One thing I didn't like
Looking only at their metric it looks like the rising FB is a terrible pitch. What it doesn't show is the swing and miss or foul rate which is higher than the sinking FB. That offsets some of its negatives when put into play.
by DriverZn on Dec 23, 2007 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, yes
Also, I would take Rivera and Cordero over Izzy despite what these stats say. Maybe I'm just crazy though.
by bigboy1234 on Dec 23, 2007 6:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you are
Relievers are too fluky to make those kinds of statements, and it's no surprise that a more talented player gets out-performed in a given year of 80 innings.
by plh903 on Dec 23, 2007 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well that
My comment was both in general and 2007. Cordero was pretty dominant this year also.
by bigboy1234 on Dec 23, 2007 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what you're confusing
by chuckb on Dec 23, 2007 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
Furthermore statistically speaking Isringhausen will regress more than Franklin based on 2007 numbers. With pitchers that had at least 50 IP last season, Izzy had the 4th lowest BABIP-LD%, 10th highest xFIP-ERA, 22nd highest FIP-ERA. To say the least it'll be interesting to see how Izzy, Springer, Franklin, Wellemeyer pitch this year compared to last.
by bigboy1234 on Dec 23, 2007 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
by bigboy1234 on Dec 23, 2007 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
by chuckb on Dec 23, 2007 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston Cardinal, thanks for sharing the
We also received a note from a father of two of our students with a ten dollar bill that said, "This $10 is donated for the needy families from my children D--- and D------, $5 dollars from each and we wish it could be more but we're not doing all that well ourselves." That money came from a family that we had already identified as one of our needy families and had planned to give gifts to. It made me cry. And it made me wish I was the one making the delivery to this family--it would make my year to see the beautiful joy on their beautiful faces. I think it's great that you did that with your students.
by jillsinmo on Dec 23, 2007 7:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for that story, Jillsinmo
by ridgesee on Dec 23, 2007 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your very welcome.
by jillsinmo on Dec 23, 2007 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ability to cope under pressure
The only thing you left out is something that there's not really a stat for: The ability of a 7th or 8th inning guy to translate his skills into the 9th inning, when there's no one to pick you up if you fail on a given night. That, along with the "short-term memory loss" (despite that it's not really short-term memory) of forgetting what happened yesterday and going out there not being shaken by yesterday's 450 foot Pujols or Bonds blast.
In some ways, as you stated, the 7th and 8th inning high leverage situations seem to be more pivotal in the game, but there obviously must be reasons why some relievers do so well in those roles, but then when they're put in the 9th, with no one on the depth chart above them to bail them out, they fizzle. Or even if they have shown past success, they get blasted by someone (a la Brad Lidge) and seem to have their confidence severely shaken.
This is pretty much impossible to put into statistics though, and a statistical approach should be heavily considered when deciding who you want to go with as your closer. Management just needs to realize some of those guys won't pan out.
by mtalken on Dec 23, 2007 8:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you've hit it,
by ridgesee on Dec 23, 2007 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can you give me the names
by SleepyCA on Dec 23, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Other than Lidge
Atlanta Brave, Mark Wohlers tagged by Jim Leyritz's three-run, eighth-inning homer in Game 4 of the 1996 World Series.
Obviously these are bigger names on bigger stages, but I am pretty sure there are many others on lesser stages.
I think the point on mental toughness has some validity.
by totalloser on Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
isolalated events don't really count
by SleepyCA on Dec 23, 2007 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got One
Back to Hawkins, he has had a decent run since then and alot of teams pursued him this off season. Some pitchers just can't handle the 9th even if they have great stuff. Blown saves are so distructive to the clubhouse that teams want to know going in to a year they have someone who can do it. If a young gun blows 3 or 4 saves early in a season the year will be spent trying to find anyone on the roster that can handle the job.
Izzy may keep us on the edge of our seats but he almost always gets his save, I just wish it wasn't with 2 he put on base and a 3-1 count on the hitter. I'm running out of fingernails.
by That's a Winner on Dec 24, 2007 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
Mitch Williams.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 23, 2007 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Merry Christmas!!!!!!
Mr. Potter: Happy New Year to you... in jail
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038650/quotes
Merry Christmas everyone and it really is a wonderful life!!!
by Calhoun on Dec 23, 2007 9:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
izzy?
by sportsman on Dec 23, 2007 10:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Izzy isn't...
I wouldn't be stunned if he pitches this year and then says, "That's it." Remember, there were some serious questions about whether he'd be able to come back after his 2006 surgery. He pitched quite well in '07, and I'm hoping for the same this coming year... but that hip ain't a-gonna get any better, and most likely reduces Izzy's trade value and his shot at FA big bucks for '09.
The mental side of closing is a real (if non-quantifiable) requirement for the position... LaTroy Hawkins being a great example of a "lights-out" guy in the 7th or 8th, and a "lit-up" guy in the 9th. But as long as that 9th-inning guy is confident, and the rest of the ballclub is confident in him, a team can get away with using a "lesser" pitcher in the role. (No, I don't understand how the Tigers can continue to use Todd Freakin' Jones as their closer, either... but Jones wasn't the reason Detroit missed the playoffs; the Cleveland Indians were!)
by The Ol Goaler on Dec 23, 2007 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
exactly
by sportsman on Dec 23, 2007 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade bait
However, we won't exactly get nothing. I think Izzy will probably walk a type A which would net us some sandwich picks. Those in turn could counter loss picks from signing a free agent, or just help us have a real nice draft haul.
Any trade offers should be weighed with loss of draft picks factored into the thought process.
by RedbirdRay on Dec 23, 2007 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
by The Duke on Dec 23, 2007 10:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
quote from Pat Neshek
Now, if Franklin were to close this year, I would expect his numbers to be worse, but I expect his numbers to be worse anyway because he was quite "lucky" this past year. Franklin really isn't a top 50 reliever in the game, to me I expect a 4 ERA out of him this year. I also expect Springer and Izzy to regress, which will make this season even more fun!!!
by bigboy1234 on Dec 23, 2007 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Closer corollary
by giveml on Dec 23, 2007 1:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Accardo
Is he the one that won the Blue Jays job or is he the one that blew it?
by jealousblues on Dec 23, 2007 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HC and Jill - Great stories!
by finmsully on Dec 23, 2007 7:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
depends on whose ox...
I'm not sure when the word "closer" came into parlance, but I am now 58 years old, and a... let's call it "primary ninth inning guy"... has been a feature of most teams for as long as I can remember.
If the closer role has a modern George Washington I would suggest it is Elroy Face. Originally a starter, he became the Pirates' bullpen "ace" for many years. And his K/IP ratio was usually around .5 to .7... never close to a 1.0
** amazing fact: Face went 18-1 in 1959...all in relief. He only had 10 "saves" that year, as the rule was written then.
by the Tewk on Dec 23, 2007 10:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
right
by sportsman on Dec 23, 2007 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lindy Mc Daniels
by ridgesee on Dec 24, 2007 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Page
All the sportswriters loved him and and he appeared on the covers of a lot of magazines (wearing a firemans hat) after the Yankees beat the Dodgers in the 49 series. He was Dubbed "Fireman Joe Page" by the press. He finished so many games that Allie Reynolds started that the press started refering to reynolds/page as the starting pitcher on the days that reynolds started.
I don't know how many games Page appeared in in 1949 but a lot of teams picked up on it and Jim Konstanty of the Phillies set a Major League record for 60 games in 1950. He was used just like Page was, coming in in the eighth or starting the ninth and finishing. The Phillies used up all their pitching in the last week of the season in a dog fight with the Dodgers for the NL pennant in 1950 and had to start Konstanty in the first game of the WS against the Yankees. He pitched the whole nine innings and lost 1 to 0 to (I believe Whitey Ford) but not sure. The cardinal expermented with several pitchers the same year and ended up using Harry "the cat" Brecheen mostly. He had always been a starter but was aging and couldn't go over 5 or 6 innings anymore.
by ridgesee on Dec 23, 2007 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wrong,
by ridgesee on Dec 23, 2007 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you meant 1947
Anyway, Joe Page was something else. The Yanks from those couple of decades there had some really interesting characters...Page, Ryne Duren, Billy Martin, Yogi, Stengel, etc., etc.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 24, 2007 3:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article
K/BB goes from 3.12 to 3.55
HR/9 goes from 1.09 to 1.19
It seems like alot of the teams that have a setup man that is better or as good as their closer are in good shape because the setup man seems to be in more higher leverage situations due to the managers managing their bullpen in order to get the most saves possible for their closer.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Dec 24, 2007 2:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Closers
On a side note, I think that Perez should see the big club at some point this season. He could be eased in to higher-leverage situations by working the middle innings or something, just to get work against major league hitters. The guy has nasty stuff, but his command issues are a little scary to me.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 24, 2007 3:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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