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Building A Bullpen - Part III

Slight change of plans. I said that I was going to look at relievers signed by the Cardinals last week -- instead I'm going to stick with looking at some trends among relievers. I wasn't particularly thrilled with the results of the DIPS data as far as what it told us about individual relievers. Sure, we identified which teams bullpens had the best peripheral statistics but when we looked at the core relievers in their pen, it didn't seem particularly enlightening. So back to the drawing board. . .

I'm going to present some numbers today but they're simple and they're in picture form. Before we get to that, let me tell you where these numbers are coming from since I imposed some artificial limitations to my dataset. I took all the pitchers seasons from 2000-2006 and removed any pitcher's season where they started a game since we only want relievers. I know that eliminates players like Brad Thompson who probably had as many relief innings as he did starting innings in a few years but players like that just muddy up the picture. Then I eliminated any season that accounted for less than 20 innings. I'm not particularly interested in relievers that get hurt early in the season or marginal relievers that shuffle up from the minors like Andy Cavazos. The latter don't tend to stick in the majors long and if they do manage to rack up a 20 inning season that will still be in the dataset. I'm defining a players age as whatever age they were before September 1st. So if a player turned 27 in September 2006 they're going to be in my 26 age group for that season. If they turned 27 in August, they'll be in the 27 age group for that season.

Let's look at the distribution of relievers by age.

We've got something of a bell curve here with 29.9 as the average age for all relievers. While 30 isn't the most probable age group, it's the center of our distribution. Not a particularly surprising result. We can also see that ages 26-31 make up about 50% of our total number of relievers. I'm more interested in the tail of this data though. Around age 36 we see a pretty steep drop in the number of pitchers that qualify. There's only 66% as many relievers that record age 37 seasons as age 36 seasons. Moving forward there's only a third that stick around from 36 to 39. That looks like a dangerous age to live in for relievers. Once you hit about 41 some old timers that take joy in mucking up my nice distribution but for the most part they don't fare well (Jesse Orosco, I'm looking at you). We're going to ignore them going forward and focus on ages 21 through 40.

Let's see what the average number of innings pitched by our relievers is.

Now remember that I've created a artificial offset of 20 for this graph or these numbers would all come down. It looks like those 21 and 22 year old relievers get used pretty heavily upon their arrival -- a few names in this group include Francisco Rodriguez, Chad Cordero and Joel Zumaya. The 23-27 age group is probably where pitchers are coming up around mid-season to fill in for an injury which holds their numbers down. The unheralded middle relievers and journeymen emerging from the minors. You can see from ages 28 to 37 the graph is relatively constant ranging between 55 and 60 IP on average. After that it's a precipitous decline in workload.

We can see that those young guns that get called up are pitchers that feature high strikeout rates -- again, think K-Rod and Zumaya or Jonathan Broxton. Those are your dominant young relievers. Once you get past the truly spectacular players the more uninspiring middle relievers filter up and dilute those K rates. From age 25 on, it's a slow decline in missing bats. For those few relievers that we saw surviving age 36, the decline is a little more dramatic.

This explains why those older relievers are able to stick around. They get real stingy with the free passes. I compiled a K/BB graph but it was rather uninteresting as it sat around 2K/BB for all age groups. Again we see that those relievers coming up young feature better BB rates than what we'd expect looking at a linear trend line. Once we hit 37, the BBs begin to climb again.

I'm much happier with what this data showed us. Young relievers survive on a combination of good stuff with a lack of control. As they age, the stuff deteriorates but the control improves; that's really they're only option or they'd find themselves out of baseball in a hurry. It looks like relievers around 36-37 are entering a real danger zone as far as their peripherals are concerned. Unless a pitcher has been above these averages consistently into their old age, I'd want to avoid them. Russ Springer version 2007 immediately comes to mind as someone whose age 38 season suddenly bucks the trend of their previous seasons and what we see in these graphs. Setting aside the extenuating circumstances of that signing, Springer could rapidly turn into a pumpkin this coming year.

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I'm curious
how much particular player's stuff actually improves, versus the type of arms that stick around and the type of arms that throw 25-70 innings as a 27-year-old.

Eh, there's a better way to word that probably, but I'm not sold on the third sentence of your last paragraph. At least not that it's as dramatic as the trend line suggests.

by plh903 on Dec 21, 2007 6:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I don't
mean stuff at all. I mean control.

by plh903 on Dec 21, 2007 6:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Stuff Az
I sensed you were leading us to the holy grail stat, and found it interesting that when you ratioed the last two that you found it uninteresting as K/BB was flat at 2.  But then that was it, the measure that states whether a pitcher is following this principle or not

I ran over to fangraphs and pulled up Springer for example as you had alluded to his prospects of regression to mean.  Sure enough, he has shown year-on year improvement over the last three seasons for K/BB, and not surprisingly, improvement of WHIP over the same time.  Neither look sustainable.

But your main premise about the evolution of these stats is a great point.  At fangraphs the baseline used is MLB Average, which is also relatively static year-on-year when charting a players career.  It would be great if they would add the second reference you have identified, the MLB Average for comparative age.  This would be more informative for charting a pitchers career evolution against age peers.

Thanks again for another great post, and providing insomniacs fresh stuff to occupy ourselves with.

by Birds on the Bat on Dec 21, 2007 6:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

AZ
Good stuff, but.....

A couple points from a study design standpoint.  This is a nice snapshot from a descriptive standpoint, but I'm inferring from your transfer to Springer that you're also wanting it to predictive power.  This analysis can't do that.  It's descriptive and not predictive, basically.

Also, nitpicking, the histogram (top graph) should be a bar chart, not a line graph implies continuous data.  Kind of goes for the others, too, but a case can be made for them as continuous if they applied to one guy.

Still a great view of who is out there and what they are doing - must have taken a lot to weed thru that data.
     

by siddfynch on Dec 21, 2007 8:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

cool stuff
I imagine another reason why IP is lower in that 23-27 age range is that a lot of young starting pitching prospects get their feet wet by doing long relief (Joba, Wainwright) and if they do well, they being starting the next season.

by maurerdj on Dec 21, 2007 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

True
A lot of pitcchers in this range represent mid-season call-ups, and if you calculated ip/games on 25-man roster you may get something in line with the other age brackets.  

This mostly reaffirms what I already assumed about relief pitchers, except for the relatively level rate of Ks between ages 23 and 36.  Perhaps this just represent the fact that the poorer performing pitchers are getting weeded out, so as the numbers show pitchers in their mid-30s represent a lot more quality than quanity.  If you look at an individual group of performers and followed their numbers you would most likely see a downward trend in Ks, but this is more concerned with the 'relief corps' rather than individuals.

by Beware the Molinas on Dec 21, 2007 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Following plh's comment
It would be neat to see, say, four or five highly successful long-time relievers and plot them on the save charts in different colors. The horizontal bar would be "t" or Time.

My guess is they would show a drop in power but improvement in command, just as the group as a whole does. A variation on the theme older but wiser.

There aren't a lot of power pitchers still around in their 40s, after all. I'm not sure we can even count Roger Clemens anymore. How old was Phil Niekro when he retired? 58?

by Red in Chicago on Dec 21, 2007 11:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand....
I'm not sure that individual pitchers get better--it just might be survivorship bias.

Every year, as a general rule, the pitchers that perform the worst get voted off the island called MLB. So for the population as a whole, the average stats get better, as the worst pitchers get removed.

Survivorship bias is well known in measuring mutual fund performance. Over time, the average performance can improve because the worst performing funds are closed or merged into other funds, and their stats deleted from the aggregates.

In short, if you are pitching at 38, you're probably pretty good. Hell, if you're pitching in the major leagues at any age, you're probably pretty good.

Dave

by Sydney dave on Dec 21, 2007 3:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Uncle Sam may want you, AZ
Interesting analysis, AZ.  Perez should fit right in, with a high K/9 and a high BB/9.  

Great point, too, Sydney Dave.  Tracking individual pitchers who are most successful might yield very useful information.  It might be particularly interesting to look at Isringhausen's chart.  I wonder if his BB/9 has gone down as much as the aggregate chart suggests.  It might also be very interesting to see Mariano Rivera's chart to see how justified or ill advised his latest contract might be.  

Most of all, I'd like to see Clemens' chart to see how it shifts about the time he is alleged to have begun using performance enhancing drugs.  Say, AZ, I wonder if Mitchell and Congress might want you to testify at the upcoming hearings.  Hmmmm....

by CardsWin on Dec 21, 2007 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BB9 graph
I have brough this up in the past.  however, the shape of this graph is why I have been willing to give Wellemeyer a chance starting next year over some of our other options.  In general pitchers seem improve their control over time.

by DriverZn on Dec 21, 2007 3:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

To me the interesting
thing that, I think, dovetails last week's post, is that BB/9 seems to be less important among relievers than starters.  I suppose that's probably b/c those better relievers -- K-Rod, Zumaya, Broxton -- have such high K/9 rates that their K/BB rate is still relatively high.  But it stands to reason that, if you miss enough bats, you can afford to walk a few every now and again.  And, as you say, as they lose their ability to K people, they have to keep the BB down in order to maintain an even decent K/BB.

by chuckb on Dec 21, 2007 4:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As it pertains to this years Cardinals...
This illustrates my one concern with Mo signing Springer.  I can see logic behind all the other moves he's been making but not this one.

We don't have readily available starting pitching help from the system, but I believe we do have some prospects ready for relief.  Perez fits the mold of a guy that will miss bats but be a little short in the command dept.  I think he most likely would be just fine for a 7th inning role.  I also think there is a decent chance for Motte, Worrell, & McClellan to name 3.  A few more a couple years down the road.

I see Springer as an unnecessary signing that blocks cheaper and possibly more effective prospects.  He did a nice job for us last year, but I just don't see the logic in it.  

Some interesting data there for sure.

by Merry CRasmus on Dec 21, 2007 5:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I sort of agree with the logic
It is kind of scary having a bullpen full of people who are out of options, so we can't run a "memphis shuttle" like we did last year, and $3.5M is a lot of money for a middle reliever (or at least, it used to be). But Springer was VERY good last year, worth 4 WARP1's, and could conceivably be the closer if Izzy went down.  He's also only on a one-year deal and could therefore easily be DL'd or DFA'd if he "turns back into a pumpkin" (love that phrase).  

I would expect to see all of the young guys you mentioned in September though, and I actually wouldn't want to see Motte or Perez any earlier than that for service clock reasons unless we are seriously competing and they are tearing up AAA...

Christmas lights are an extremely efficient method for converting Christmas Spirit into heat. -anon

by SleepyCA on Dec 21, 2007 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Springer doesn't bother me
I'm much more worried about Ryan Franklin turning into a pumpkin than Russ.
Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 21, 2007 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

prelude or prequel
i agree that signing springer is puzzling.  seems there must have been an ulterior motive, e.g., getting tlr to sign on, make it possible to trade izzy, ??   certainly fitting time for a contest between the young arms more so than giving 3M+ to someone who said if he was traded he would retire.  i particularly wonder if they consider the back-up closer if a deal for izzy came along at some point before perez was deemed ready.

by sportsman on Dec 21, 2007 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the "ulterior motive"
was that Springer wanted to stay since there is a special needs school for his child. I completely understand why the Cardinals did it -- he wasn't that expensive, he wanted to stay, he had a good year last year, etc. -- I also wouldn't be surprised if he's out of a job by the end of next year.

by azruavatar on Dec 21, 2007 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

let's not leave out veteran leadership...
alas, I don't have a quote, but I believe I remember Springer being a veteran leader in the bullpen -  helping out the younger guys with adjusting to the majors and what not.  add that to the mix of him wanting to stay, being inexpensive, and performing well last year - I'd say it's worth the pickup.

now... next year?  probably not so much.

by SmashedAtoms on Dec 21, 2007 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you finally hit on the deciding
factor. Springer is a real savvy old veteran with an easy going manner and I do think he was looked up to and helped steady the younger pitchers.. And don't forget Springer can still get it up the in the mid-nineties when he needs to and La Russa didn't hesitate to bring him in situations where needed a strikeout. I didn't see anything wrong with the signing. Of course at his age you don't know when everything is going to drop off the table, but with maybe a little lesser degree, you don't know when that is going to happen with any pitcher.

by ridgesee on Dec 22, 2007 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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